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Tuesday, February 20, 2024

Ghosting isn't just for dating anymore. Now Gen Z are treating their would-be employers like bad dates and not showing up for job interviews or their first day on the job without as much as a phone call.

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It may be fun and games for a while but it won't take all that long before employers make a list of those no shows. At that point it won't be fun and games anymore. They'll be needing jobs when mom and pops basement doesn't work for them anymore and no one will bother with calling them for an interview when they bother to answer for being interested in one. Some aspiring individual will collect the names of all those who ghost and offer it as a service for sale to employers.

#1 | Posted by BBQ at 2024-02-19 01:09 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

"Some aspiring individual will collect the names of all those who ghost and offer it as a service for sale to employers."

Great, I hope my name gets on the list. Those are the kinds of employers I would never want to work for.

#2 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-19 01:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

This is backlash to employers treating employees like medieval surfs. Good on gen z for not putting up with it.

#3 | Posted by qcp at 2024-02-19 01:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Serfs. Damn phone.

#4 | Posted by qcp at 2024-02-19 01:36 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Those are the kinds of employers I would never want to work for.

Employers that want to know if someone will show up or not?

#5 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-02-19 01:56 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

No, not that.

Employers who think a good way to build the workforce involves buying lists of blacklisted employees.

#6 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-19 02:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Hiring people who won't come to work does not exactly build the workforce either.

#7 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-02-19 02:04 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

This is backlash to employers treating employees like medieval surfs. Good on gen z for not putting up with it.

They are medieval serfs. You gotta start somewhere, sure you could try to become a YouTube or Instagram star I guess. Good luck with that.

My basic overarching word for GenZ is "impatient to a fault".

#8 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-02-19 02:06 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Hiring people who won't come to work does not exactly build the workforce either.

Not to worry, Snoofy is on that list.

#9 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-02-19 02:07 PM | Reply

Hiring people who won't come to work does not exactly build the workforce either.
#7 | POSTED BY REDIAL

Actually, those are the people you don't want coming to work, so it's pretty much a wash.

It's the people you shouldn't have hired, who keep coming to work, where the problems start.

Like a manager who can't formulate their own opinion but trusts what's on some blacklist.

#10 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-19 02:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Actually, those are the people you don't want coming to work

That's fair enough. But people who don't show up but don't even bother to call and say they are not coming just wastes the time of people who do work.

If you blow off a job interview with no notice you waste the time of someone who is waiting to do the interview. They don't know if you are late, got the time wrong, are lost, or dead.

You can do that if you are Oppenheimer, but if you are just some dime a dozen self-important basement-dwelling "coder", you are just an -------.

#11 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-02-19 02:49 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

-This is backlash to employers treating employees like medieval surfs.

It's immature kids behaving like immature kids.

#12 | Posted by eberly at 2024-02-19 02:53 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"If you blow off a job interview with no notice you waste the time of someone who is waiting to do the interview. They don't know if you are late, got the time wrong, are lost, or dead."

That happened to me, except it was the employer who didn't know who I was, because the person who set up the interview left the company before the interview actually took place.

So, how much of that should I take to heart about that company? Fair to assume they're always that clueless?

#13 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-19 03:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Fair to assume they're always that clueless?

That would be a pretty fair bet. Poorly organized at the least.

#14 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-02-19 03:05 PM | Reply

#14 As it turns out, that company has significantly outperformed the Nasdaq in the 20 or so years since. Not trying to play gotcha just pointing out the situation is highly asymmetric. Employees are scrutinized in ways managers and companies just aren't. Where do I buy the list of which departments have really ------ managers you just don't want to work for? I don't. I don't figure that out until I'm already on the job, and then it's only hearsay.

#15 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-19 03:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

It was Adobe. In the interview, in a room which had a spectacular view of the waterfront, I learned they have counselors ON-SITE for the number of Adobe employees with offices on that side of the building who get to witness the people who jump off the Aurora Bridge.

I didn't ask if that's what happened to the hiring manager who set up the interview. My mistake.

#16 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-19 03:23 PM | Reply

They are medieval serfs. You gotta start somewhere, sure you could try to become a YouTube or Instagram star I guess. Good luck with that.

My basic overarching word for GenZ is "impatient to a fault".

#8 | POSTED BY ONEIRONAUT

Because you're an idiot.

I recently jumped jobs and spent a good portion of 2023 passively and actively seeking a new position.

Despite what the numbers tell you, the job market in tech is awful. Tons of jobs listed but company hiring practices are insane. In my experience, recruiter practices are worse.

A solid 50-60% of applications didn't even receive a form letter rejection. You heard just nothing.

30-35% would send a form rejection, often with place holders for names or signifiant formatting or grammatical errors AND they never said, at all, why you were rejected. But they sure were glad for your interest and encouraged you to apply for future positions. Yeah, sure. Worst part about these was that, in my experience, you'd see them reposted a month later.

The remaining would get an interview at some level. I was ghosted after at least five initial screener interviews. One secondary round. Remaining interviews were actually communicated rejections, but you had to get 2-3 interviews deep before getting human communication.

Had one where after four rounds of interviews, including 2 on-site with significant discussions of salary, benefits, starting timelines and even real estate considerations, I was told the board had "changed directions" and I didn't have the qualifications they were looking for.

So in my experience, no, it's not "impatient to a fault." It's being fed up with -------- corporate culture and behavior where they've shown they aren't deserving of your respect because they sure as ---- weren't giving any respect.

#17 | Posted by jpw at 2024-02-19 05:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"A solid 50-60% of applications didn't even receive a form letter rejection. You heard just nothing.

30-35% would send a form rejection, often with place holders for names or signifiant formatting or grammatical errors AND they never said, at all, why you were rejected. But they sure were glad for your interest and encouraged you to apply for future positions. Yeah, sure. Worst part about these was that, in my experience, you'd see them reposted a month later.

That's how it was 30+ years ago. Nothing unique about any of that.

Kids today are impatient. Period.

#18 | Posted by eberly at 2024-02-19 06:45 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Immature is more like it

#19 | Posted by eberly at 2024-02-19 06:45 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

This is the end result of participation trophies.

#20 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-02-19 07:10 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Participation trophies?!? I won't stand fit you bad mouthing the US military!!!

#21 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-02-19 07:19 PM | Reply

That's how it was 30+ years ago. Nothing unique about any of that.
Kids today are impatient. Period.
#18 | POSTED BY EBERLY

That's all I am saying ..

Long and short term patience. Immediate gratification.

#22 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-02-19 07:42 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#16 Adobe is one of the most thoughtful companies out there.

Today it's par for the course to not hear back.

Some companies take a month or two to decide if you make it to the next round.

#23 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-02-19 07:44 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I have looked for jobs more than anyone here.

The best thing you can do, aside from random stuff like knowing someone on the inside, is pay a professional several hundred dollars to do your resume. That's how I spent one of those COVID stimulus checks.

But the time before that, after I hired a pro, I went from maybe 20 applications and one callback, to three applications and two callbacks.

Just like anything, you should hire a professional to do things outside your realm of expertise.

#24 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-19 08:14 PM | Reply

That's how it was 30+ years ago. Nothing unique about any of that.

Not by any analyses I've read for tech sector hiring.

Things during the pandemic were particularly good, but even compared to pre-pandemic job markets it's bad.

Maybe that's more the norm in your field.

#25 | Posted by jpw at 2024-02-19 09:39 PM | Reply

#24 sour grapes

I faced six months to get a job or I go back to Chyna.

You're a whiney.

#26 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-02-19 11:58 PM | Reply

The pendulum always swings too far in either direction. Unfortunately, the culture encourages both employers and employees to disrespect each other.

#27 | Posted by sentinel at 2024-02-20 09:19 AM | Reply

"I faced six months to get a job or I go back to Chyna."

The professional wrestler?

Must have been a while ago, since she passed away in 2016.

#28 | Posted by sentinel at 2024-02-20 10:37 AM | Reply

This is the end result of participation trophies.

#20 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

It's the end result of companies treating employees as replaceable cattle.

Gen Z just gets it. Companies have no loyalty or respect so why should they?

Companies routinely ghost people. They routinely underpay and/or pay new hires more. They routinely fire veteran employees, rename the position and hire someone new at a lower rate.

But you blame Gen Z understanding the game on participation trophies?

#29 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-02-20 12:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

-But you blame Gen Z understanding the game on participation trophies?

It's not binary.

It's both.

The electronic age has allowed people to ghost others in a relationship with more ease.

so it happens more. That includes ghosting a potential employer.

It's a very bad habit and should be discouraged.

Now, that's not a defense for bad acting employers (who've been bad actors forever, BTW)

You're just offering a defense for something that's not really defensible.

I don't think it's really about participation trophies....but rather the electronic and impersonal age we live in.

#30 | Posted by eberly at 2024-02-20 12:14 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

It's a very bad habit and should be discouraged.
Now, that's not a defense for bad acting employers (who've been bad actors forever, BTW)
You're just offering a defense for something that's not really defensible.
I don't think it's really about participation trophies....but rather the electronic and impersonal age we live in.

#30 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Again something we can agree on.

#31 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-02-20 12:24 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I've never left a job under bad circumstances because no matter what one thinks, individual industries are small and burning a bridge MIGHT not come back to haunt you... It DEFINITELY will.

#32 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2024-02-20 01:06 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Great news for older workers as businesses are now reaching out to them. Older workers posses the soft skills that the younger workers couldn't imagine much less possess.

Like dating, we'll see a behavior change with Gen Z hits the wall and see that they have no assets, savings or much of anything of value.

After they've trashed the most valuable thing they have (reputation that will follow) they can appear on social media.

Instead of asking where have all the good men have gone, they'll ask where have all the good jobs gone.

#33 | Posted by RomeoAlpha at 2024-02-20 01:16 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"where have all the good jobs gone."

To robots.

#34 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-20 01:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Why work when Mommy and Daddy are paying the bills?

#35 | Posted by THEBULL at 2024-02-20 03:21 PM | Reply

Just thing outside the box here:

Have employers tried offering higher wages?

#36 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-20 09:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Individuals will need to find a way to merge their intense social media addictions with whatever it is they intend to do, including surviving in this life

#37 | Posted by hamburglar at 2024-02-21 05:34 AM | Reply

Why work when Mommy and Daddy are paying the bills?

#35 | POSTED BY THEBULL

Why think when you can just regurgitate tropes and platitudes?

#38 | Posted by jpw at 2024-02-21 09:58 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Hmm. So they searched for a job, prepared a resume, submitted the resume...but failed to respond to an interview? Or do the interview and not show up to your first day of work? Which likely means no second day of work?

The article is hidden behind a paywall. I can see Gen-Zers who are still teens or living with parents to do stuff like this, but this is not the behavior of someone who is serious about finding a job.

#39 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-02-21 12:11 PM | Reply

"That's the way it was 30+ years ago"

Which is why we should have started ghosting companies 30+ years ago.

Good for Gen Z that they're realizing that they don't have to put up with that bullcrap. They're just giving the companies what they deserve: NOTHING.

It's time to normalize companies getting ZERO respect. Time to quit? Not only do you not have to give notice any more, you just block your boss and disappear. They don't give notice when they fire you, you don't have to give notice when you leave. They don't bother calling to tell you that you didn't get the job, you don't bother calling them to tell them you took a job somewhere else.

They started it. The disrespect began decades ago, the companies decided it was what they wanted. It's long past time for us to treat them the way they treated us.

#40 | Posted by DarkVader at 2024-02-21 12:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Good for Gen Z that they're realizing that they don't have to put up with that bullcrap."

They do if they ever want to move out of mom's basement.

The oldest Gen-Zer is 27. The youngest is 12.

At 17, you can refuse to work. Maybe even at 20. At some point you're going to need to pay the bills though.

#41 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-02-21 12:54 PM | Reply

#40 that's a good diatribe but it won't put food on the table.

You want "respect" buy a dog.

You want the appearance of respect, join a company making money on a cash cow like any FANG.

It's all good until the cash cow hits it's peak. But it was a good ride. Fantasy land, but you were treated with "respect," until you were found to be not producing.

Good luck.

#42 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-02-21 01:04 PM | Reply

They can always Join Up. The military is dropping it's standards more all the time. No diploma? No problem. Drug Use? Whatever.

Keeping the ranks full to defend our great nation is getting Easier all the time.

Pretty soon they'll have to Force people to join to get enough.

That's called doing your civic duty. Or more pithily, Conscription or Involuntary Servitude.

#43 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-02-21 01:09 PM | Reply

Gen Z's (99% of them) have a lot of
'Real World Learning' to do...

#44 | Posted by earthmuse at 2024-02-21 01:56 PM | Reply

Ah, the youth of today.. what are we going to do with them? They are lazy and disrespectful. Said every generation about the young.. (since forever)

#45 | Posted by igashosparks at 2024-02-21 04:58 PM | Reply

Just thing outside the box here:

Have employers tried offering higher wages?

#36 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Bingo! If no one is applying or they are ghosting interviews then you are not paying enough. If you can't retain people quit treating employees like ---- AND pay more.

#46 | Posted by a_monson at 2024-02-21 05:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Good for Gen Z that they're realizing that they don't have to put up with that bullcrap. They're just giving the companies what they deserve: NOTHING.

It's time to normalize companies getting ZERO respect. Time to quit? Not only do you not have to give notice any more, you just block your boss and disappear. They don't give notice when they fire you, you don't have to give notice when you leave. They don't bother calling to tell you that you didn't get the job, you don't bother calling them to tell them you took a job somewhere else.

They started it. The disrespect began decades ago, the companies decided it was what they wanted. It's long past time for us to treat them the way they treated us.

#40 | POSTED BY DARKVADER
Exactly! Had a job I applied and interviewed for which I was qualified for, and I'm still waiting to hear if I got the job. This was in 2019 just as Covid was starting to hit.
Maybe Covid killed off everyone at that company all at once.

... I'll give them another month ...

#47 | Posted by a_monson at 2024-02-21 05:35 PM | Reply

-Good for Gen Z that they're realizing that they don't have to put up with that bullcrap. They're just giving the companies what they deserve: NOTHING.

I don't disagree that companies made their bed.

But my kids are not getting this advice.

#48 | Posted by eberly at 2024-02-21 05:53 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Not to worry, Snoofy is on that list.
#9 | POSTED BY ONEIRONAUT"

If you want to legally avoid hiring Snoofy, just make sure there is an elementary school within 250 feet of your business.

#49 | Posted by Claudio at 2024-02-21 10:37 PM | Reply

#49

You fnckin' cucks are so lame. "He's a pedo!" When you've lost the narrative, just call your opponent a pedo. Simple win for a cuck.

Swallow it.

#50 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-02-21 10:49 PM | Reply

@#50 ... You fnckin' cucks are so lame. ...

Ya mean... Ad hominem attacks instead of a discussion?

Why do some current aliases here seem to be so focused upon ad hominem attacks, and not a discussion?

Red Box - Heart of the Sun (1986)
www.youtube.com

#51 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-02-21 11:01 PM | Reply

"When you've lost the narrative, just call your opponent a pedo. Simple win for a cuck.
Swallow it.
#50 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11"

There is no narrative here - just a bunch of unemployable leftists whining why they can't get call backs. Seems my Snoofy comments hit a little too close to home so I will make it up to you by offering some advice to you and the others:

1.) As most posters on here are white males (using that term loosely as you are 'liberal white males') - don't bother applying to Fortune 500 companies unless you are applying for a specific technical role in which you have truly unique skills as you will not be hired. Before you go crying about it, remember that you are the ones that created this system. It is just easier for hiring managers to not rock the boat and bring in the DEIs.

2.) Probably half of those job listings you see online are fake - they are just gathering resumes or put up to give the appearance the company is still expanding.

3.) We are now in a world of professional HR - so, you need to pay much more attention to matching the key words they are looking for rather than using specialist terms in your field as the HR person is likely a non-technical moron along with being 1.) female, 2.) gay male, or 3.) BIPOC. At most, they will spend 10-15 seconds scanning your resume before moving on. So, you need to make their job as easy as possible by matching all the key terms from job description within the top half of the resume because they won't make it past that.

4.) Should you receive an interview - and I cannot stress this enough - DO NOT BE YOURSELF. No one, and I mean no one likes weak leftist men. They make right wing men repulsed and dry up a --- faster than a ShamWow. So, get an adult haircut, wash it, shave off the neckbeard and unique mustache combo, leave off the my little pony pin and colorful socks and go with a nice navy blue suit. Spend more time listening in the interview - the less that you talk and reveal your true self, the better.

#52 | Posted by Claudio at 2024-02-22 01:28 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

For any other group, I would have added #5 below, but, I figured it would just be mean to remind you about your lack of friends in addition to all of your other shortcomings.

#5 You probably have a 80% better chance of getting interviewed/hired if you know someone with the company that can forward your resume to the hiring manager. This is actually the best way to bypass professional HR - of course - it will still not work on the Fortune 500 if you are a white male. However, most managers are not looking for the next super star on their team - most managers don't want to be out shown and then they have to worry about you leaving. They are looking for someone that is reliable and will not cause workplace drama. So, the recommendation can be a simple as this - 'this is a solid guy I have known for a few years from my old job'.

#53 | Posted by Claudio at 2024-02-22 01:38 AM | Reply

"...and not a discussion?"

No offense, but the "discussion" here is pretty much pointless 95% of the time.

#54 | Posted by Angrydad at 2024-02-22 07:49 AM | Reply

"DO NOT BE YOURSELF. No one, and I mean no one likes weak leftist men. They make right wing men repulsed and dry up a --- faster than a ShamWow."

Harsh.....but accurate.

#55 | Posted by eberly at 2024-02-22 09:37 AM | Reply

No offense, but the "discussion" here is pretty much pointless 95% of the time.

#54 | POSTED BY ANGRYDAD AT 2024-02-22 07:49 AM | FLAG: Ensures the above is true because of my constant drive by attacks

#56 | Posted by eberly at 2024-02-22 09:38 AM | Reply

"DO NOT BE YOURSELF. No one, and I mean no one likes weak leftist men. They make right wing men repulsed and dry up a --- faster than a ShamWow."
Harsh.....but accurate.

#55 | POSTED BY EBERLY

"I'm an Alpha Male. My mom told me so!"
-Righties

#57 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-02-22 09:46 AM | Reply

Is Bev sayin' he's dried up?

#58 | Posted by Corky at 2024-02-22 09:51 AM | Reply

Claudio's #52 and #53 should make the DR hall of fame.

JPW and Snoofy need to take note..

#59 | Posted by boaz at 2024-02-22 10:20 AM | Reply

Internet tough guys... one of the most comical aspects of rwingers.

Mostly they aren't funny at all.

#60 | Posted by Corky at 2024-02-22 10:31 AM | Reply

#53 | POSTED BY CLAUDIO

"I can't get a job because I'm a white male!"
-Claudio

"Sir, your ankle monitor is beeping."
-Interviewer

Please, Fortune 500 companies are dominated by white males. I work at one and work with 150 more.

#61 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-02-22 10:33 AM | Reply

easy there ladies....he didn't say men who are liberals or democrats.

He said "weak leftist".....so I assume he wasn't talking about me.

On this place I'm not considered a liberal.....even though I am.

Where I live? Yes, I am certainly considered a liberal. Got fired by a client over it once.

It's the persona of a weak leftist that turns hiring authorities off.

It's not about being an Alpha Male.

But it helps.........

#62 | Posted by eberly at 2024-02-22 10:36 AM | Reply

"It's the persona of a weak leftist that turns hiring authorities off."

Hahaha.

Okay.

Maybe in Kansas that's a thing.

Maybe if you choose to live in a culture where you have to be Republicans to feel relevant that's a thing.

#63 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-22 11:09 AM | Reply

"#5 You probably have a 80% better chance of getting interviewed/hired if you know someone with the company that can forward your resume to the hiring manager."

Of course, but that's not an option for everybody.

Whereas having a professional write your resume is an option for everybody.

#64 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-22 11:10 AM | Reply

Hey Eberly,

Entertain yourself....

www.youtube.com

#65 | Posted by Corky at 2024-02-22 11:12 AM | Reply

"They are looking for someone that is reliable and will not cause workplace drama."

Someone who talks about Alpha Males is someone who causes workplace drama.

Imagine if an Alpha Male had a Female for a boss or better yet a direct report. The Alpha Male would quickly create drama. And probably a sexual harassment lawsuit in the case of a female employee.

#66 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-22 11:14 AM | Reply

Our rwingers here are more like Alfalfa Males...

www.youtube.com

#67 | Posted by Corky at 2024-02-22 11:30 AM | Reply

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