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Thursday, February 29, 2024

A strike on hundreds of Palestinians waiting for humanitarian aid has brought the Gaza death toll to more than 30,000, The Gaza Health Ministry, which is one of the few agencies that regular releases death tolls from the Israel-Hamas war. The Associated Press quoted unnamed Israeli officials who said the military did fire on the crowd after they felt threatened.

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More: In the wake of Thursday's strike, medics found "dozens or hundreds" lying on the ground, according to Fares Afana, the head of the ambulance service at Kamal Adwan Hospital. He said there were not enough ambulances to collect all the dead and wounded and that some were being brought to hospitals in donkey carts.

The Al Jazeera network showed footage of several dead and wounded people being brought to another nearby hospital, Shifa, after the strike on a main road running along the Mediterranean coast.

In addition to the dozens killed, another 280 people were wounded in Thursday's strike, Health Ministry spokesman Ashraf al-Qidra said.

The Israeli military said it was looking into the reports about the strike.

Separately, the Health Ministry said the Palestinian death toll from the war has climbed to 30,035, with another 70,457 wounded. It does not differentiate between civilians and combatants in its figures but says women and children make up around two-thirds of those killed.

#1 | Posted by qcp at 2024-02-29 09:13 AM | Reply

According to many DR posters, Palestinians waiting in line for food are dangerous and need to killed.

#2 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-02-29 10:16 AM | Reply

IDF releases footage of crowds rushing aid trucks in Gaza City:
"The IDF releases aerial footage showing the crowds of Palestinians rushing humanitarian aid trucks in the northern Gaza Strip this morning, during which dozens of Palestinians were reportedly killed. Hamas health officials reported 104 killed in the incident, blaming Israeli fire.

The IDF says Palestinians were hurt by "pushing and trampling." It says that troops also opened fire at a crowd moving toward forces in the area in a manner that had "endangered" them."

Who to believe? The terrorist group that volunteers its own civilian to die for woke PR? Or your lying eyes and the nation that has bent over backwards to avoid civilian casualties while defending itself from that terrorist group that intentionally targets women and children for rape and murder?

#bothsides

#3 | Posted by censored at 2024-02-29 10:51 AM | Reply

Who to believe? The terrorist group that volunteers its own civilian to die for woke PR? Or your lying eyes and the nation that has bent over backwards to avoid civilian casualties while defending itself from that terrorist group that intentionally targets women and children for rape and murder?
#bothsides

#3 | POSTED BY CENSORED

I'll believe the humanitarian groups on the ground. I'll believe the doctors on the ground. I'll believe the photos. Even the IDF didn't claim anyone was armed.

I won't believe the IDF that has time and again lied to justify their attacks on civilians before, during and afterwards. And they've been caught lying too many times now.

How is it the IDF can be caught lying so many times and you still want to believe them?

#4 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-02-29 11:10 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

How is it the IDF can be caught lying so many times and you still want to believe them? #4 | Posted by Sycophant

Everything is relative and you, along with the woke mob, take everything Israel says with a truckload of salt. While swallowing anything Hamas has to say, hook, line, and sinker.

Even the IDF didn't claim anyone was armed. [...] #4 | Posted by Sycophant
And the IDF troops would magically know that a mob approaching them is unarmed.

And because the only way to hurt someone is with firearms. You should put that theory to the test at the next pro-Hamas rally you attend. Just walk around naked wrapped in an Israeli flag. Let us know how it goes for you.

#5 | Posted by censored at 2024-02-29 11:21 AM | Reply

"Everything"

No, just body counts.

#6 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-29 11:25 AM | Reply

Eventually the truth comes out, and it very rarely coincides with the initial explanations from the Zionists, whose well-oiled propaganda apparatus is well-financed and has innumerable mass media outlets in which to spread its fabrications and exaggerations. It has been this way for decades.

The Zionist oppressors are starving the Palestinians and then blaming them when they act out of desperation. The IDF thugs want you to believe that those starving children and women who were shot down running for aid were "acting in a threatening manner". Morally speaking, that's about as low as someone can go, but those that continue to support them and proudly double-down on their arrogance and wickedness go far, far lower.

Everything is being documented, and the instantaneous present always has a well-remembered future, and the future looks much longer and much darker for the Zionist terrorists and its supporters.

#7 | Posted by ExpectingReign at 2024-02-29 11:41 AM | Reply

"Reporting from the scene, Al Jazeera's Ismail al-Ghoul said that after opening fire, Israeli tanks advanced and ran over many of the dead and injured bodies. "It is a massacre, on top of the starvation threatening citizens in Gaza," he said."

"Al Jazeera's Bernard Smith said the Israeli military "initially tried to pin the blame on the crowd" saying that dozens were hurt as a consequence of being crushed and trampled when aid trucks arrived.
"And then, after some pushing the Israelis went on to say that their troops felt threatened, that hundreds of troops approached their troops in a way they posed a threat to them so they responded by opening fire," Smith added."

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You see, the Zionist apologists will ALWAYS find a reason for blaming the Palestinians, even when numerous ground reports indicate that they are either outright lies or gross exaggerations. This has been going on for decades. Decades before October 7th. Decade before Hamas. Zionism is an evil and despicable ideology.

#8 | Posted by ExpectingReign at 2024-02-29 11:47 AM | Reply

"Hamas health officials reported 104 killed in the incident, blaming Israeli fire."

Blaming the trigger man?
Just more Hamas propaganda.

#9 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-29 11:48 AM | Reply

"The majority of the victims suffered gunshots and shrapnel in the head and upper parts of their bodies. They were hit by direct artillery shelling, drone missiles and gun firing," -witnesses on the ground.

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Over 100 dead and 750+ injured. Please, everyone, don't forget the injured. These are people, ordinary humans, who have to live the rest of their lives with amputations, scarring from burns, blindness, partial or complete hearing loss and permanent PTSD.

#10 | Posted by ExpectingReign at 2024-02-29 11:52 AM | Reply

"troops also opened fire at a crowd"

Who in their right mind would believe that opening fire on a crowd resulted in pushing and trampling?
It's Hamas propaganda.
It's always Hamas propaganda.

#11 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-29 11:57 AM | Reply

"the nation that has bent over backwards to avoid civilian casualties while defending itself from that terrorist group that intentionally targets women and children for rape and murder"

The only intentional targeting here was done by IDF.

#12 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-29 11:59 AM | Reply

How is it the IDF can be caught lying so many times and you still want to believe them? #4 | Posted by Sycophant
Everything is relative and you, along with the woke mob, take everything Israel says with a truckload of salt. While swallowing anything Hamas has to say, hook, line, and sinker.
Even the IDF didn't claim anyone was armed. [...] #4 | Posted by Sycophant
And the IDF troops would magically know that a mob approaching them is unarmed.
And because the only way to hurt someone is with firearms. You should put that theory to the test at the next pro-Hamas rally you attend. Just walk around naked wrapped in an Israeli flag. Let us know how it goes for you.

#5 | POSTED BY CENSORED

It's cute how you IGNORE all the sources other than Hamas. It's also cute that you think ALL Palestinians are Hamas.

The IDF has been caught lying over and over and over again by journalists, analysts, videos, photos, and the IDF THEMSELVES.

But you just keep believing them like the racist you are.

#13 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-02-29 12:18 PM | Reply

It's not cute. It's disgusting.

Censored has been calling for the death of all Palestinians since October 7th.

The guy is sick in the head.

#14 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-02-29 12:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

But you just keep believing them like the racist you are. #13 | Posted by Sycophant
You mean like the racist Egyptians and Jordanians who won't let Palestinians/Hamas into their own countries? Because
they behave like a bunch of loonies?

#15 | Posted by censored at 2024-02-29 12:25 PM | Reply

Who to believe?
#3 | POSTED BY CENSORED

Israeli propaganda. Clearly.

#16 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-02-29 12:25 PM | Reply

Egyptians and Jordanians who won't let Palestinians/Hamas into their own countries?

Why do you believe Egyptians and Jordanians should take in Palestinians?

Explain your logic.

They're all brown. They must be related?

#17 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-02-29 12:27 PM | Reply

"You mean like the racist Egyptians and Jordanians who won't let Palestinians/Hamas into their own countries?"

He means like the racist Israelis who won't let Palestinians into their own country.

#18 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-29 12:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Censored has been calling for the death of all Palestinians since October 7th.
The guy is sick in the head.
#14 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

It's interesting to see Zionism engaging in the same online tactics as Russia and China.

I have to think Netanyahu/Zionism is strongly considering pivoting towards Putin, in conjunction with Trump pivoting America towards Putin.

#19 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-29 12:31 PM | Reply

We'll continue to pay them billions of tax dollars regardless of what they do.

#20 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-02-29 12:33 PM | Reply

But you just keep believing them like the racist you are. #13 | Posted by Sycophant
You mean like the racist Egyptians and Jordanians who won't let Palestinians/Hamas into their own countries? Because they behave like a bunch of loonies?

#15 | POSTED BY CENSORED

It's cute how you run away from everything you get called out for and ----------- for. Cute but not surprising.

Yes, Egypt and Jordan definitely have the tens of billions required to suddenly take in all the Palestinians.

But why should they have to? Why should Palestinians be forced to leave their homes?

You REALLY don't see Palestinians as human beings and it shows. Racist as I said before.

Try again, idiot.

#21 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-02-29 12:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Yes, Egypt and Jordan definitely have the tens of billions required to suddenly take in all the Palestinians.
But why should they have to? Why should Palestinians be forced to leave their homes?[...] Racist as I said before.

Yes, because there can't be a non-racist reason for denying Palestinians a safe base of operations to launch their terrorist attacks. After they attack their neighbors, Muslim and Jewish alike.

Yup, clearly racist! By Israel, the nation where 20% of its citizens are Arab-Muslim and Jordan/Egypt which is almost entirely Muslim.

70% of Palesitinians love Hamas. Can't remember the last time a US president had those kind of approval numbers. Oh wait, yes I can, right after the 9/11 attacks.

Here's a video of the Palestinian reaction lamenting our suffering. So yeah, my heart bleeds.

Try again, idiot. #21 | Posted by Sycophant
Since you've resorted to ad hominem, I'll assume that our discussion is at an end. Hold those Palestinians close when you see them. They probably love you as much as you love them. Maybe not. Only one way to find out.

#22 | Posted by censored at 2024-02-29 12:59 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

70% of Palesitinians love Hamas.

Your prior propaganda piece had it at 80%.

Over 50% of Palestinians are children.

You're cheering on the deaths of children.

You should be ashamed. But it's clear you're enjoying all of this.

#23 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-02-29 01:04 PM | Reply

"Yup, clearly racist! By Israel, the nation where 20% of its citizens are Arab-Muslim and Jordan/Egypt which is almost entirely Muslim."

America is 13% black, are you here to tell us America is not and has never been a racist nation too?

You're about as convincing as the usual Trump --------. It's weird how you don't seem to mind.

#24 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-29 01:05 PM | Reply

"70% of Palesitinians love Hamas."

What's the relevance of this popularity contest?
How does it impact IDF military operations in Gaza?

#25 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-29 01:06 PM | Reply

What's the relevance of this popularity contest?
- snoofy

That they subscribe to Hamas propaganda.

How does it impact IDF military operations in Gaza?
- snoofy

Hamas propaganda is elimination of Israel.

Seems to me only one side is going to win.

Which do you want, a Democracy or a Theocracy?

#26 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-02-29 01:43 PM | Reply

America is 13% black, are you here to tell us America is not and has never been a racist nation too?
- anoofy

How does this prove racism in a different country?

#27 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-02-29 01:44 PM | Reply

How does this prove racism in a different country?
#27 | POSTED BY ONEIRONAUT

It disproves the obviously ridiculous assertion that a country with a minority population can't be racist.

#28 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-29 01:47 PM | Reply

Which do you want, a Democracy or a Theocracy?
#26 | POSTED BY ONEIRONAUT

Which one kills fewer civilians?

#29 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-29 01:50 PM | Reply

Which do you want, a Democracy or a Theocracy?
#26 | POSTED BY ONEIRONAUT

Which one is Zionism?

#30 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-29 02:04 PM | Reply

"Hamas propaganda is elimination of Israel."

Not just propaganda.

It's the essence of EVERY Hamas counter-offer, and every Hamas forerunner since 1948.

#31 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-02-29 02:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Not just propaganda. It's the essence of EVERY Hamas counter-offer, and every Hamas forerunner since 1948. #31 | Posted by Danforth

In bizzaro-world, Israel, the nation that is 20% Muslim and has granted them full rights of citizenship could only be defending themselves out of racism. While the Palestinian people, who have sworn to exterminate the Jews and has forced out almost all of the Christians, is the most tolerant and loving community one can imagine.

And the Arab Muslim nations of Jordan and Egypt that won't let any more of the Palestinians in after the Palestinians tried to destroy them? They must be racist as well. Couldn't possibly be any other non-racist reason.

#32 | Posted by censored at 2024-02-29 02:41 PM | Reply

It's the essence of EVERY Hamas counter-offer, and every Hamas forerunner since 1948.
#31 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

I'd like to know more about the Islamic Resistance Movement prior to the establishment of Israel in 1948.
What were they resisting?
Thanks.

#33 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-29 02:56 PM | Reply

"They must be racist as well."

Many Palestinians are Semites, just like many Jews are. Ashkenazi Jews, for example, are not Semites.
So calling the Israel/Hamas Semitic Civil War "racism" is probably mostly something Americans do.
It would make sense to Americans, since our Civil War was blatantly racist.

Most Ashkenazi Jews are genetically Europeans, surprising study finds
www.nbcnews.com

#34 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-29 03:00 PM | Reply

"I'd like to know more about the Islamic Resistance Movement prior to the establishment of Israel in 1948."

Knock yourself out.

Meanwhile, what's your counter to, We want you dead, your children dead, and your families dead....? And I mean when that's the answer on the endless loop.

Seriously: your destruction is the #1 item on their list. It's non-negotiable. LITERALLY.

#35 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-02-29 03:19 PM | Reply

"Meanwhile, what's your counter to, We want you dead, your children dead, and your families dead....? And I mean when that's the answer on the endless loop."

Whatever my counter is, your counter-counter is killing 20,000 civilians.
It will be hard for me to do worse than that. But I'm sure you'll dream up a way!

#36 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-29 03:48 PM | Reply

Censored hates Palestinians, Russians, scary mentally ill black dudes.

Homeless, especially if black or somehow,"threatening".

He's a huge Pudendum about anyone not White and Right.

It would be truly funny if it wasn't so vicious and fearfully stupid.

Sad Case... Passing as a Liberul.

#37 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-02-29 03:50 PM | Reply

Seriously: your destruction is the #1 item on their list. It's non-negotiable. LITERALLY.
#35 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

Seriously: destruction of 30,000 civilians and counting in Gaza #1 on Israel's list.

#38 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-29 03:51 PM | Reply

#32 David Ben Gurion said that the Palestinians would "get over" having their lands and chattels stolen,and being turned into refugees or second class citizens in their own country.

He said only the Jews have really long memories about injustices and that it was how they could go forward with the Nakba.

How wrong he was. He couldn't grasp them holding on to things that way.

A long memory can be a curse. And not always for the one remembering.

Israel will not exist in 50 years is my personal prediction.

Long memories will destroy them. But it will from things they did themselves.

#39 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-02-29 04:04 PM | Reply

Killing 30,000 displaced Palestinian civilians seems like the opposite of how Israel can eliminate "Islamic Resistance" to the existence of Israel.

Killing 30,000 displaced Palestinian civilians seems like it will succeed in generating opposition to the existence of Israel, far beyond the narrow confines of Islamist philosophy.

#40 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-29 04:21 PM | Reply

"Whatever my counter is, your counter-counter is killing 20,000 civilians."

Because of your most recent negotiating position.

Care to update your negotiating position? Since 1948, the constant answer has been NO.

Constant.

#41 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-02-29 05:50 PM | Reply

"It will be hard for me to do worse than that."

Worse than taking an unwavering position of genocide?

You do you.

#42 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-02-29 05:52 PM | Reply

War of Annihilation, then when Hamas hits effectively they whine about it.

75 years of land theft. 75 years of home demolitions without judicial review,as collective punishment. 75 years of Apartheid and Extrajudicial killings.

Then they wonder why the Palestinians like Hamas? Israeli Jews can be Tribal and it's OK? But if the Palestinians show the same group solidarity they are somehow evil?

Israel is Screwed. Can they kill their way out of this Mess?

Maybe if they could keep it Secret like the Germans tried to?

But it's too out there in the open for that now.

UN PEACEKEEPERS and a forced partition of Israel and a free Palestinian State are the possible answer.

Like what was done in Yugoslavia to stop the Massacres.

The US led the charge against Serbia. I don't see that happening with Israel.

NATO should bomb Israel until they give back the West Bank for a Palestinian State.

Then the PEACEKEEPERS can protect The Palestinians from them until things settle down. Oh,about 100 years or so.

Otherwise it's Genocide and Israel becomes the New Nazi State.

With American blessings all around.

#43 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-02-29 08:43 PM | Reply

Worse than taking an unwavering position of genocide?
You do you.
#42 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

Actions, Danforth.

I judge Israel and Hamas on their actions.

Israel has killed 30,000 civilians, do you think that is justified?

It's hard for me to see the side that has killed 30,000 civilians is the side that's worth defending.

Why don't you explain what you see differently.

#44 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-29 09:54 PM | Reply

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#45 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2024-02-29 09:58 PM | Reply

Liberul.

#37 | POSTED BY EFFETEPOSER

Status quo and pro capitalist.

That's what a liberal is.

Forever and ever, amen.

#46 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2024-02-29 10:01 PM | Reply

Hamas killed 1,200, IDF has killed 30,000. The only reason the numbers aren't the other way around is because the Iron Dome stops thousands of missiles from hitting their marks every year. There is no question that if Hamas had the weaponry needed to do so, they would have killed far more than 30000 Israelis on October 7th. There is no moral high ground.

#47 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2024-03-01 01:24 AM | Reply

It's hard for me to see the side that has killed 30,000 civilians is the side that's worth defending.

Why don't you explain what you see differently.

#44 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

You're actually trying to carry on a conversation with one of these genocidal maniacs?

Why???

#48 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2024-03-01 01:27 AM | Reply

Ghastly. Bibi's butchers are out of control...

#49 | Posted by earthmuse at 2024-03-01 06:42 AM | Reply

Hamas killed 1,200, IDF has killed 30,000.

And Hamas targeted civilians for their rape and slaughter. Because, according to Hamas, all civilians are valid targets.

But, according to the Hamas-lovers, Israel has killed only Palestinian civilians. 30,000 Palestinian civilians killed by Israel with surgical precision with not a single Hamas death. An amazing feat that one would have to be mentally-challenged to believe.

The only reason the numbers aren't the other way around is because the Iron Dome stops thousands of missiles from hitting their marks every year. There is no question that if Hamas had the weaponry needed to do so, they would have killed far more than 30000 Israelis on October 7th. [...] #47 | Posted by Miranda7

Clearly part of the Palestinian strategy that has served them so well in the past. Perhaps quadrupling the number of women and children that they rape and murder will do the trick next go-round.

#50 | Posted by censored at 2024-03-01 07:27 AM | Reply

That graphic Censored keeps posting is like his own personal Swastika.

#51 | Posted by pumpkinhead at 2024-03-01 08:21 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

I'll believe the humanitarian groups on the ground.

#4 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT AT 2024-02-29 11:10 AM | FLAG:

They don't have credibility either.

There are people that are/were UNRWA aid workers, school teachers, and Hamas militants at the same time.

#52 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-03-01 08:28 AM | Reply

That graphic Censored keeps posting is like his own personal Swastika. #51 | Posted by pumpkinhead

Yes, the swastika is a fortuitous sign through most of history. Although you probably meant it in the sense of the Nazis that the Palestinians allied themselves with in order to murder all of the Jews. So I guess that would still make it a good thing amongst the pro-Hamas crowd.

Credit where credit is due, though. The image was borrowed from here.

#53 | Posted by censored at 2024-03-01 09:30 AM | Reply

"They don't have credibility either"

Among the hopeless Israel sphincter cleaners such as yourself? No. you are right. They don't.
Guys like SitzBath and Cens0red are beholden to Israel much like the average MAGAt is beholden to Trump. They basically lap up anything that dribbles forth from the orifice of their preferred anfuhrer der weissen jungen as absolutely 100% true.

#54 | Posted by pumpkinhead at 2024-03-01 09:43 AM | Reply

Sure. No way anybody can have a nuanced position where both sides are acting in bad faith. Maybe I could, but I'm too busy frog marching up and down my house.

#55 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-03-01 09:57 AM | Reply

Pumpkinhead, that is because the American mass media is not currently structured to report the news impartially and then give you information about what's been going on in the world. Instead, they exist to manufacture consent for the political status quo and the elaborate power structure that it supports. The glaring difference between American propaganda and the propaganda of some hideous dictatorship is that the citizenry who live in the dictatorship know they are being fed propaganda while the average American is convinced since they are young to believe they are ingesting impartial and factual reporting. This becomes noticeable when you spend the majority of your time outside of the American media orbit. I was in Mauritania for some time and also Australia for a few years and it altered my outlook quite a lot.

#56 | Posted by ExpectingReign at 2024-03-01 10:05 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

anfuhrer der weissen jungen as absolutely 100% true. #54 | Posted by pumpkinhead

Was that a reference to Hitler Youth? Oh goody!

You know who else likes to indoctrinate children to kill Jews?

#57 | Posted by censored at 2024-03-01 10:06 AM | Reply

The oppressor will always try to make it look that the oppressed is the one to blame. If Jewish children were given weapons to fight the Nazi regime back in 1938, they would have been hailed as heroes. Most of the resistance to the Zionist apartheid regime are those who were, unfortunately, born into a decades-long environment of oppression, ethnic cleansing, and wholesale death and destruction. The Zionists want to make their resistance look unjustified, but the Palestinians have a recognized right under international law to resist Israeli occupation under Protocol I of the Geneva Convention, which the vast majority of the world supports.

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#58 | Posted by ExpectingReign at 2024-03-01 10:18 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The Zionist ideology and its supporters will also try to equate Zionism with all of Judaism and all those of the Jewish faith, so that when the violent, supremacist ideology of Zionism is challenged they can pivot to the "this is an attack on all of Judaism" argument in order to stifle dissent. A good example of this can be found above. Judaism is over 3000 years old. Zionism has only been around for little over 100 years. Zionism CANNOT survive without using Judaism as a crutch, whereas Judaism CAN AND DOES survive without the wicked ideology of Zionism infecting its core beliefs and cultural institutions.

#59 | Posted by ExpectingReign at 2024-03-01 10:24 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

LOL, what he said ^ ^ ^

#60 | Posted by pumpkinhead at 2024-03-01 10:37 AM | Reply

Who to believe? The terrorist group that volunteers its own civilian to die for woke PR? Or your lying eyes and the nation that has bent over backwards to avoid civilian casualties while defending itself from that terrorist group that intentionally targets women and children for rape and murder?

The IDF shoots kids for throwing rocks.

There is no good guy here.

#61 | Posted by jpw at 2024-03-01 10:46 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Palestinians: "It's open season on Jewish civilians!"
Also Palestinians: "How dare the Israelis accidentally harm our civilians as we hide behind them and use them as human shields!"

Palestinians: "We have every right to arm our children to kill the Jews!"
Also Palestinians: "Those Jewish monsters killed our helpless children who were innocently pointing loaded firearms at them while playing cowboys and Indians!"

#62 | Posted by censored at 2024-03-01 11:15 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

The IDF shoots kids for throwing rocks. [...] #61 | Posted by jpw

Isn't that a justifiable use of force, considering stoning people to death is a thing?

#63 | Posted by censored at 2024-03-01 11:16 AM | Reply

This situation is one case Where the NATO Duty to Protect doctrine could be of use. Sanctions and pressure on Israel to back off of the West Bank and begin negotiating a two state solution in good faith, is a remotely viable alternative.

The Idea of Zionists giving the Palestinians equal rights in one state is just not going to happen. They have already shown how Supremacist and Primitive their Tribalism is. True democracy with Palestinian citizens having full rights would destroy the Jewish Supremacist nature of Israel forever. They would have to obey rule of law and the idea of equal protection under the law.

They just don't want to do this.

Palestinians serve a useful purpose.The West Bank is a good place to encourage new comers to "settle". This keeps friction between various factions in Israel itself, to a minimum, by reducing open Conflicts between them. It also provides a "scary" common enemy to keep Likud relevant.

Is unfairly Favorable treatment of Israel considered anti-Semitism? Enabling evil and destructive behavior is not doing them any favors. It's setting them up to fail long term, which I believe they will if they don't change course.

Hamas is Reviled but are they really any worse than the Israeli government given the circumstances?

The fact is, Israel is used to getting away with daily and ongoing human rights violations with no consequences. Even Mass Killings by soldiers of civilians is not restrained in any way.

The US veto on the UN security council is mostly why.

The US Uni-Party is Totally Complicit in the Israeli Abuses going back decades.

This makes the Israeli State very confident about Slaughter and Apartheid. They know they won't even have to give up their Ben and Jerry's ice cream no matter WHAT they do,no matter how Horrid.

This is anti-Semitic... friends don't let friends become Monsters and destroy themselves.

#64 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-03-01 11:50 AM | Reply

Nutty Yahoo needs to skip to the end game. Start spreading the zyklon B and fire up the ovens.
We all know that's the end game.

#65 | Posted by northguy3 at 2024-03-01 02:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

When the IDF started shooting, were they following their Rules of engagement and targeting pregnant women or were they free to shoot whoever they wanted?

#66 | Posted by northguy3 at 2024-03-01 02:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The West has been involved in a ME cluster fk since 1945. We've propped up butchers and paid the price in blowback from the Iranian revolution to Sawedi alquedia funding islamacists and 9/11 to wasting blood and treasure fighting the very dictatorship we created in Iraq.
Long past time to walk away from all of it.
Israel has nukes.Nobody is seriously going to threaten it.

#67 | Posted by northguy3 at 2024-03-01 02:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

People who condemn the slaughter of some civilians, but don't condemn the slaughter of other civilians.

Those people are called Zionist and Hamas.

#68 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-01 03:30 PM | Reply

Biden Announces U.S. Will Go Around Israel and Airdrop Aid Into Gaza As Humanitarian Crisis Worsens
www.mediaite.com

#69 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-03-01 03:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

stage 7
"Why are you still talking about Israel?! It's antisemitic!"

#70 | Posted by libs_of_dr at 2024-03-01 03:47 PM | Reply

"No way anybody can have a nuanced position where both sides are acting in bad faith. Maybe I could, but I'm too busy frog marching up and down my house."
Nobody is allowed to have a nuanced position here. Too complicated. You must pick one side and entirely demonize the other. It is the Drudge Report Way.

#71 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2024-03-01 05:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Nobody is allowed to have a nuanced position here."

Thank you for your support.
Signed,
Hamas and IDF

#72 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-01 05:48 PM | Reply

Israelis: "It's open season on Palestinian civilians!"
Also Israelis: "How dare the Palestinians retaliate!"

Israelis: "We have every right to arm our children to kill the Palestinians!"
Also Israelis: "Those Palestinian monsters killed our helpless children!"
#62 | POSTED BY CENSORED

#73 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-03-01 08:37 PM | Reply

Biden Announces U.S. Will Go Around Israel and Airdrop Aid Into Gaza As Humanitarian Crisis Worsens

Smart.

Lure the Palestinians out with some food and then drop a few bombs.

Easier to get more casualties when they cluster around each other.

#74 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-03-01 08:41 PM | Reply

The only positive concerning what's happening in Gaza is that it's waking many Americans and other westerners up to the fact that the vast majority of what they've been told and taught about their society, their media outlets and the world around them is actually, at best, an illusion, and at worst, a complete lie.

#75 | Posted by ExpectingReign at 2024-03-01 08:57 PM | Reply

Isn't that a justifiable use of force, considering stoning people to death is a thing?

#63 | Posted by censored

You're not a serious person.

#76 | Posted by jpw at 2024-03-01 11:28 PM | Reply

rape

#50 | POSTED BY CENSORED

Yeah.

That is a lie.

And so is the rest of it.

#77 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2024-03-02 12:31 AM | Reply

Whatever high moral ground Israel could claim after being attacked by Hamas has long since become awfully hard to justify. The scale of the response matters.

#78 | Posted by cbob at 2024-03-02 04:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You're not a serious person. #76 | Posted by jpw

Uh, OK. Personally, I would never throw a rock at a guy with a gun. But that's just me.

You do you.

#79 | Posted by censored at 2024-03-02 05:40 PM | Reply

>>Isn't that a justifiable use of force, considering stoning people to death is a thing? #63 | Posted by censored
>You're not a serious person. #76 | Posted by jpw
Uh, OK. Personally, I would never throw a rock at a guy with a gun. But that's just me. You do you. #79 | Posted by censored

Oh, and to answer the question:
"Between 2010 and 2014, Border Patrol agents were assaulted with rocks 1,700 times and fired weapons at rock throwers 43 times, resulting in 10 deaths.[68] Border Patrol agents are permitted to respond to rock-throwers with lethal weapons"
en.wikipedia.org

So, I guess the pro-Hamas folks should protest against our own forces while they're off marching for the murder of Jews.

#80 | Posted by censored at 2024-03-02 05:51 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

We still pushing the narrative that Palestinian babies are culpable for Hamas atrocities?

#81 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-03-02 05:56 PM | Reply

We still pushing the narrative that Palestinian babies are culpable for Hamas atrocities? #81 | Posted by rstybeach1

Are we still pushing the narrative that the the vast majority of Palestinians aren't ecstatic over the rape and murder of 1,400 civilian women and children?

#82 | Posted by censored at 2024-03-02 06:05 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Isn't that a justifiable use of force, considering stoning people to death is a thing?

#63 | Posted by censored

You're not a serious person.

#76 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2024-03-01 11:28 PM | FLAG:

It's a serious question. Notice the sling in the first pick? It's both biblically symbolic, and pretty goddamn dangerous to the person you are chucking them at. They've managed to kill 14 people with them so far which is.. weirdly impressive? It's leather, a rock, and motivation. Except 3 of the people they managed to kill were arabs by accident.

#83 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-03-02 06:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It's a serious question. Notice the sling in the first pick? It's both biblically symbolic, and pretty goddamn dangerous to the person you are chucking them at. They've managed to kill 14 people with them so far which is.. weirdly impressive? It's leather, a rock, and motivation. Except 3 of the people they managed to kill were arabs by accident. #83 | Posted by sitzkrieg

That's the way the Hamas-lovers roll.

They throw out something like "Israel kills Palestinian children." But when they're shown photos of teen Palestinians (children) armed with weapons and gunning for any available Jew, they deny, lie, and call you a genocidal maniac.

#84 | Posted by censored at 2024-03-02 06:26 PM | Reply

"rape and murder of 1,400 civilian women and children?"

Officially, on October 7th, 2023, 695 Israeli civilians, including 36 children, as well as 373 security forces and 71 foreigners were killed by Hamas and also Israeli defense forces, giving a total of 1,139.

Systemic or even more than a couple cases of possible rape have been thoroughly discredited through a complete lack of evidence.

Many civilians (including children) were killed by Israeli forces responding (quite late) to the tragedy with overwhelming and indiscriminate firepower.

Exaggerations and lies never help the victims

#85 | Posted by pumpkinhead at 2024-03-02 06:26 PM | Reply

Sorry, systemic should be systematic.

#86 | Posted by pumpkinhead at 2024-03-02 06:31 PM | Reply

Many civilians (including children) were killed by Israeli forces responding (quite late) to the tragedy with overwhelming and indiscriminate firepower.
Yes, the Jews are to blame.

Systemic or even more than a couple cases of possible rape have been thoroughly discredited through a complete lack of evidence.
OK, I'll just wipe those videos I saw of Palestinians celebrating ("Aloha! Snackbar!") over the naked bodies of Jewish women from my memory.

Officially, on October 7th, 2023, 695 Israeli civilians, including 36 children
Clearly they had it coming, right?

Exaggerations and lies never help the victims #85 | Posted by pumpkinhead
Yes, I'm sure that you're very concerned for the Jews that were murdered and the ones the Palestinians will murder ten years from now.

I wonder how many more the Palestinians would have killed if given the opportunity. Guess we won't find out any time soon, since the Israelis aren't in a forgiving mood.

#87 | Posted by censored at 2024-03-02 06:39 PM | Reply

Just stating the facts, chief.

#88 | Posted by pumpkinhead at 2024-03-02 06:51 PM | Reply

You tend to exaggerate and lie. But when someone parrots Israeli talking points, that tends to happen.

#89 | Posted by pumpkinhead at 2024-03-02 06:52 PM | Reply

So hopefully my intervention by clarifying the facts will help you overcome your serious addiction to exaggerations and lies.

#90 | Posted by pumpkinhead at 2024-03-02 07:01 PM | Reply

You tend to exaggerate and lie. But when someone parrots Israeli talking points, that tends to happen. #89 | Posted by pumpkinhead

Yeah! Not like those Honest Abe Palestinians (Hamas deputy chief: "We don't target civilians, we only attacked IDF")

Truth be told, I stopped keeping track of the number of Jews the Palestinians murdered a couple days after October 7th. Didn't much see the point since the Hamas-Lovers quickly concluded that it doesn't matter how many Jewish women and children the Palestinians killed.

If it makes you feel better that the Palestinians only killed 700 Israeli civilians (noticed you left out the number of women, Probably one of those inconvenient facts that the Hamas-Lovers are always avoiding), go for it.

#91 | Posted by censored at 2024-03-02 07:04 PM | Reply

Are we still pushing the narrative that the the vast majority of Palestinians aren't ecstatic over the rape and murder of 1,400 civilian women and children?
#82 | POSTED BY CENSORED


You're spreading propaganda to justify murdering people who have been living under Israel's thumb for decades.

Also. The killing and celebrating happen on both sides.

You're simply cheering for your team.

#92 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-03-02 07:08 PM | Reply

I didn't leave out the women- I just simply copied and pasted what I found in the official Israeli records. Perhaps the Israelis are Hamas-lovers.

#93 | Posted by pumpkinhead at 2024-03-02 07:09 PM | Reply

The killing and celebrating happen on both sides.

Ridiculous lie.

#94 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-03-02 07:16 PM | Reply

Censored's posts remind me of an old Swiss farmer's joke:

Some folks spread ---- around in order to make crops grow better.
Other folks spread ---- around because they just happen to like the smell.

#95 | Posted by pumpkinhead at 2024-03-02 07:17 PM | Reply

I didn't leave out the women- I just simply copied and pasted what I found in the official Israeli records. [...] #93 | Posted by pumpkinhead

Fair enough.

But at the end of the day, it doesn't matter to you, does it?

The Palestinians could have raped and murder 100,000 Jews and you would still be doing your best to excuse their conduct. Cause the Jews need to die, right?

#96 | Posted by censored at 2024-03-02 07:17 PM | Reply

Censored's posts remind me of an old Swiss farmer's joke: [...] #95 | Posted by pumpkinhead

You seem fixated on my numbers being slightly off. But not a murmur from you about the Palestinians targeting Jewish civilians for murder. Color me surprised.

#97 | Posted by censored at 2024-03-02 07:19 PM | Reply

Whatever high moral ground Israel could claim after being attacked by Hamas has long since become awfully hard to justify. The scale of the response matters.
#78 | POSTED BY CBOB

Was use of the Atomic bomb on the Japanese populous within your American scale?
thebulletin.org

#98 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-03-02 07:20 PM | Reply

" Ridiculous lie.
#94 | POSTED BY ONEIRONAUT"


One of many examples

#99 | Posted by pumpkinhead at 2024-03-02 07:21 PM | Reply

Which do you want, a Democracy or a Theocracy?

#26 | Posted by oneironaut

Funny how you're fighting for democracy in the mideast and theocracy in america.

#100 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-03-02 07:23 PM | Reply

" Was use of the Atomic bomb on the Japanese populous within your American scale?"

That depends. Were Japanese oppressed, murdered, and ethnically cleansed by America for the eight decades previous to Pearl Harbor? Was their land taken away?

If not, then they were very clearly an aggressor and in such a situation the aggressor can be punished for their aggression.

But using the atomic bomb twice on them was unjustified. If I was POTUS I would've used the atomic bomb but I would've dropped it on top of Mount Fuji as a warning. They would've been smart enough to have taken the hint.

#101 | Posted by pumpkinhead at 2024-03-02 07:26 PM | Reply

That's the way the Hamas-lovers roll.
They throw out something like "Israel kills Palestinian children." But when they're shown photos of teen Palestinians (children) armed with weapons and gunning for any available Jew, they deny, lie, and call you a genocidal maniac.

#84 | POSTED BY CENSORED AT 2024-03-02 06:26 PM | FLAG:

There is an awfully large power dynamic at play that can't be ignored. Palestinians have zero. That rock is it.

#102 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-03-02 07:27 PM | Reply

There is an awfully large power dynamic at play that can't be ignored. Palestinians have zero. That rock is it. #102 | Posted by sitzkrieg

Yeah, the power dynamics suck for the Palestinians. As they have for the last 80 years or so.

The Palestinians actually had my sympathy before October 7th. Seeing them celebrate the murders of the Israelis, though, reminded me just how much they glory in the murder of others.

And the Palestinian whining about civilian casualties? After they intentionally target civilians? Reminds me of the good old days (before Netanyahu put an end to it) of when the Palestinians would bomb busses full of Israeli civilians and then cry that Palestinian civilians might get hurt in the Israeli response.

My response:

#103 | Posted by censored at 2024-03-02 07:43 PM | Reply

The Palestinians actually had my sympathy before October 7th. Seeing them celebrate the murders of the Israelis, though, reminded me just how much they glory in the murder of others.

#103 | POSTED BY CENSORED AT 2024-03-02 07:43 PM | FLAG:

Okay, yeah, but I've also visited the Enola Gay and Bockscar. We put our two most killingest of civilian delivery devices ever in museums to immortalize them.

#104 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-03-02 08:02 PM | Reply

Okay, yeah, but I've also visited the Enola Gay and Bockscar. We put our two most killingest of civilian delivery devices ever in museums to immortalize them. #104 | Posted by sitzkrieg

I don't really see a problem with that. Probably cause I have no problem whatsoever with us nuking Japan. Saved lives on both sides, but especially the lives of our own troops.

Would have been nice if we let a Chinese citizen press the button. Sort of returning the favor.

#105 | Posted by censored at 2024-03-02 08:11 PM | Reply

"Truth be told, I stopped keeping track of the number of Jews the Palestinians murdered a couple days after October 7th."

That's too bad.

Did you forget your password to numberofJewsthePalestiniansmurdered.com?

#106 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-02 08:25 PM | Reply

"The killing and celebrating happen on both sides."

"Ridiculous lie."

You know we can see stuff thats on the Internet, right?

#107 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-02 08:29 PM | Reply

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