I don't know that KBR could have done anything other than physically extricate her from the situation. They certainly don't have any authority or control of DoS employees.

I understand what you are saying. I only know what I know based on normal private employers with locations here in the US and how employer liability works.

Foreign Country?
Fed Govt employees?
Special contract with the govt in a warzone?

no help here.

Kind of like Obama saying he'll be convicted before the trial even began.

Which is funny, considering how much we heard about how smart Obama the "constitutional scholar" was before the election, and how he'd be more "cautious" than other presidents.

Let's hate the crime, not the criminals.....

{facepalm}

Entrance exam to military service: Three months of pork products for all three meals....

"I wish this had happened in Texas so I could whine about it"

Dullifidian

Wonder what email client Arrhenius used in 1896?

AOL?

My reply was: Perhaps Obama should respond with PSALM 109:1-3:

"Hold not thy peace; O God of my praise;

for the mouth of the wicked and the mouth of the deceitful are opened against me: they have spoken against me with a lying tongue.

They compassed me about also with words of hatred; and fought against me without cause."

Posted by hkramer at 05:07 PM

Do you really steal a vote, or is it more like fabrication of one that wouldn't otherwise exist...

I actually went and googled this. The department of Justics actually declined to prosecute the alleged rapist.

I'm waiting for the tax on taxes....

oh wait...that's a surtax.....

I agree with this idea. In fact, the day we have to actually come up with the money for every government project will be the day we actually start looking into whether they're necessary. Politicians could actually be held accountable - what a concept.

And #72 sure shut RingMaster up.

Surfacestations project reaches 82% of the network surveyed.

#51 | Posted by Sniper

What's more, Spudleo, The Iranians hate Carter for starting the war between Iran and Iraq.

I'll make it a little clearer for LOD. If you click on Iraq's link in post 19 you'll see what appears to be a map of all the weather monitoring sites in the US, and then further be misled into believing that all of those, or a great many of them, are producing corrupt data because of their proximity to man-made heating vents, etc.

Now, if you click on the link I produced in post 40, and zoom in, you'll see that the map in Iraq's link greatly reduces the number of monitoring stations. Therefore, they are being very deceptive and misleading in trying to prove their point. You aren't surprised are you?

#77 | Posted by Jay at 2009-11-20 04:56 PM

Try again.

Eddie:

I generally don't watch the news to be entertained.

I watch it to actually hear the NEWS.

What a concept, huh?! : )

I'll bet they...woodn't be doing this anymore!

-Frank55

Who's making the Arctic more ice free for example?

Not who. What.

And that would be naturally recurring climate cycles.

Seems to me that Fix News said less about Blackwater than all the other media outlets said about Acorn or Van Jones. Gee....I wonder why?

Dad was just jealous... happens a lot in Maine.

Author is right. The Republicans were a disaster on spending. The Democrats are a catastrophe. God help us.

"When she complained to them, they then had a responsibility to resolve the situation."

But so did she. In my line of work, if I feel that my job will put me in an unsafe situation, I call kings X. Not going to do it. She could have been on the next flight out of Baghdad. for whatever reason, she was not. maybe KBR should sue her for costing them $2.93 in legal fees...

"Whoever came up with that is a scumbag."

Uh, it was me who came up with it, and given my experience with rape in these kinds of situations, this woman had ample opportunity to squash any sort of serious problem. Since I'm already a dirtbag, I'm going to play the devil's advocate and offer another, not unsubstantiated possiblity.

This lady signs on to go to Baghdad as a contractor. While there, she suddenly finds herself the object of the advances of one or more men, something she may not be used to, and something she finds quite flattering. One night she is hanging out with a new friend, and things get a little heated. They end up having sex. Being a married woman, she instantly regrets the move, confessing to her husband while claiming that it was forced.

If she was raped, why not file a criminal complaint? if it were me, my wife, or one of my two daughters, I would rather see the guy put in jail than have to pay me a currently undisclosed sum of money. Many State Dept guys are Ivy League grads with no shortage of cash. They can afford to rape if the only cost is monetary. It's unliekly that profit was ever a motivating factor for this woman, more likely she just wanted to convince her husband that the sex hadn't been consensual, and that she had reamined faithful.

This is a story you hear on college campuses all the time. Freshmen girls go to their first frat party, get drunk, hook up, and then realize they've cheated on the highschool boyfriend that they'd sworn they were in love with. Unable to confess that it had been consensual, they claim that the fratboy used undue coersion in the hope that said boyfriend would be more forgiving. Until they do the exact same thing again.

She voted for getting shitfaced before she voted against getting a cab.

#1 | Posted by cookfish

Funny Flag

Doubt you could look it up and read fuck face

#140 | Posted by reinsurelaw

Great point, dumbass.

How in the hell is a part of $200 B going to help advert an "economic catastrophe?" They needed $1T and more to assist the current recession with little to no help as of yet. Nothing but a lot of spend-happy crap to make themselves more important and more powerful.

Here is a better idea:

Support the troops.

Bring them home.

Protecting air safety is essential, but professional screening at airports already provides for it. Giving the TSA as an official agency the additional authority to decide who gets to go where reaches beyond safety into overextended governmental power. This newly minted "Secure Flight" rule fundamentally imbalances long-standing citizens' rights both to travel and to be left alone. If your name appears among hundreds of thousands on "watchlists," you assert that the government should not require ID to fly, you don't want to reveal your date of birth for concern about identity theft, or you don't choose to declare your gender, you can stay home.

By combining the requirement for government photo IDs in order to fly with checking government watchlists including potentially every passenger, "Secure Flight" puts the federal government into the business of licensing travel. All travelers will need government OK in order to board a flight, or take a cruise. What the government can allow one day, it can forbid the next. All things considered, isn't this a higher-tech and later-day version of South African domestic passports or eastern European checkpoints? In fact, because of the high technological capacity of the U.S. version, aren't its implications for travel control of plane, train, bus and subway travel much more far reaching? It's incredible that something like this is happening relatively unrecognized in America.

While some people consider the requirement to show ID or reveal a birth date a small trade-off for security, what is at stake here is the right to travel. That fundamental freedom of movement appears in the Articles of Confederation in the right to freely enter and leave all the states of the then small union. It was so fundamentally a part of American citizenship that the privileges and immunities clauses of the Constitution included it without explicitly mentioning it again for the more perfect union. With a large and expansive nation now ranging from Hawaii and Alaska to Washington DC, that right to travel nationally, and petition the distant government, is even more fundamental. Yet some courts maintain that if you can walk, you don't need the right to fly. People have the right to walk around freely without carrying a national ID; why do they have to show one to travel? The Supreme Court has yet to rule on the scope of the right to travel but lower courts have tended to restrict it more narrowly than the Founding Fathers would approve.

Clearly, the air ID and "Secure Flight" rules mean you cannot travel any distance reachable only by air without official permission. Moreover, the system can easily be extended to Amtrak as a government railroad, which already requires government ID in order to purchase a ticket. It can further be extended to urban rapid-transit networks tied to travel cards, and private inter-city buses requiring IDs to buy tickets or board coaches. These are the bases for an internal passport system in the U.S.

There are a lot of practical issues here too. The assumption that any "no-fly" list includes all potential wrong doers is implausible, and first time criminals would by definition not appear until it's too late. Many people on these lists are there because their names are similar to those who are suspect for other reasons. There are perhaps a few hundred people whose past activities merit keeping them off the streets, let alone flights; the small group is better caught through search warrants and good police work before they come to the airport. To demand that 750 million annual passengers have to get government permissions to fly creates a needle in-a-haystack approach to locating a few potential wrongdoers

Wonder what email client Arrhenius used in 1896?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

idiots

Huffington made them do it...

Would someone please explain...

And all Muslims that commit crimes against Americans should be included in the hate crime bill, no shit, You wait till I become President, THEN THEY WILL BE INCLUDED IN THE HATE CRIME BILL, the playing field needs to be evened up...>

Alleged e-mails. Anybody could make such a claim. Doesn't change what we have seen with our own eyes. All of the physical evidence of warming are hoaxes? Who's making the Arctic more ice free for example?

The title of this thread should be "Climatologists Allegedly Colluded in Manipulating Global Warming Data". I for one won't take the word of some blog just because it says stuff.

I say let them do what they want. The only ones who find Fox credible are the folks who are already hypnotized loyalists.

#102 | Posted by Lisa

Lisa,

What News Network do you find credible?

I've watched them all and all have their own entertainment agendas.

My mom and my sister thinks that Rachael Maddow hung the moon!!!

:)

So what? .... WTF does that have to do with anything?

#76 | Posted by RingMaster

From another article. Maybe this will clear things up for you a bit:

Manipulation of evidence:

I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) amd from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline.

Private doubts about whether the world really is heating up:

The fact is that we can't account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can't. The CERES data published in the August BAMS 09 supplement on 2008 shows there should be even more warming: but the data are surely wrong. Our observing system is inadequate.

Suppression of evidence:

Can you delete any emails you may have had with Keith re AR4?

Keith will do likewise. He's not in at the moment minor family crisis.

Can you also email Gene and get him to do the same? I don't have his new email address.

We will be getting Caspar to do likewise.

Fantasies of violence against prominent Climate Sceptic scientists:

Next
time I see Pat Michaels at a scientific meeting, I'll be tempted to beat
the crap out of him. Very tempted.

Attempts to disguise the inconvenient truth of the Medieval Warm Period (MWP):

Phil and I have recently submitted a paper using about a dozen NH records that fit this category, and many of which are available nearly 2K backI think that trying to adopt a timeframe of 2K, rather than the usual 1K, addresses a good earlier point that Peck made w/ regard to the memo, that it would be nice to try to "contain" the putative "MWP", even if we don't yet have a hemispheric mean reconstruction available that far back.

And, perhaps most reprehensibly, a long series of communications discussing how best to squeeze dissenting scientists out of the peer review process. How, in other words, to create a scientific climate in which anyone who disagrees with AGW can be written off as a crank, whose views do not have a scrap of authority.

"This was the danger of always criticising the skeptics for not publishing in the "peer-reviewed literature". Obviously, they found a solution to thattake over a journal! So what do we do about this? I think we have to stop considering "Climate Research" as a legitimate peer-reviewed journal. Perhaps we should encourage our colleagues in the climate research community to no longer submit to, or cite papers in, this journal. We would also need to consider what we tell or request of our more reasonable colleagues who currently sit on the editorial boardWhat do others think?"

"I will be emailing the journal to tell them I'm having nothing more to do with it until they rid themselves of this troublesome editor.""It results from this journal having a number of editors. The responsible one for this is a well-known skeptic in NZ. He has let a few papers through by Michaels and Gray in the past. I've had words with Hans von Storch about this, but got nowhere. Another thing to discuss in Nice !"

Fake Global Warming Data... Fake Stimulus... Fake Job Numbers.... Dems are on a roll.

Christ, where the hell is Goatboy, the oil wunderkind, when we need info he has knowledge about?

Fear not. I am here. What do you need to know, my son?

#34 | Posted by tiger150 at 2009-11-20 04:49 PM | Reply | Flag: Quick, He's Getting Away!

Happy Extinction Climatologists.

I guess Zat is going to paste his fake data again. Seriously, nothing is more convincing than fake data. It proves ... well... anything you want it to.

$200 billion in leftover bailout money money that Republicans think should simply be returned to taxpayers.

The Treasury Department is pushing for fiscal prudence and wants to use the money to pay down the deficit and keep a small rainy-day fund in case of economic catastrophe.

But Democrats are salivating over the possibility of $200 billion in unspent money.

FOX NEWS the Number one CABLE news network...

Cable news gets about 1/10 the viewership of network news, and fox gets 1/3 of tht one tenth, so they get 3% of the viewership-sort of like bragging about third place runnerup in the peewee soccer league.

#7 | Posted by northguy3

Link, please

Not much of an argument there.

#66 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2009-11-20 01:17 PM

I'll make it a little clearer for LOD. If you click on Iraq's link in post 19 you'll see what appears to be a map of all the weather monitoring sites in the US, and then further be misled into believing that all of those, or a great many of them, are producing corrupt data because of their proximity to man-made heating vents, etc.

Now, if you click on the link I produced in post 40, and zoom in, you'll see that the map in Iraq's link greatly reduces the number of monitoring stations. Therefore, they are being very deceptive and misleading in trying to prove their point. You aren't surprised are you?

"Did McDonald's arrange housing in a dorm filled with men?"

Yes. They should have hired a buch of local Iraqi women to play the role as KBR employees to even out the man/woman ratio. Or maybe they should have built her a separate, women only dorm. In either case, this it was a situation she was aware of, and had she been uncomfortable with it, she should have left.

"This would be correct. KBR had an obligation to provide her safety."

She was in a war zone. Does KBR have an obligation to provde for the safety of all employees? If so, it would seem to me that the families of all KBR employees killed in Iraq would have much stronger lawsuits than this woman did.

Under the UCMJ rape during a time of war is punishable by death, and if they stuck the State Dept in front of a firing squad, so be it. But the begs an even better question. Where is the rapist? More importantly, and it's not defined here, was he found guilty of rape? According to the headline, she only claimed she was raped. Based on the information provided here, there never was any criminal suit filed against the attacker, only a civil suit. the details of which have been withheld. Curious.

A few years ago there was a case where a female cadet at the Air Force Academy was being brought up on charges that she had violated the institutions's code of ethics. During the hearings, she made the claim that, as a freshman (she was an upper classman at this point, she had been raped by a senior. That senior had gone on to graduate and was in pilot training in Missisppi. he was pulled out of class and placed on an administrative hold while the Air Force investigated. Meanwhile, the charges against the female cadet were substaniated, and she was kicked out of the Air Force. It was later determined that she was using the rape claim as a means of deflecting attention away from her own actions, and on to someone else. Four years later, the accused rapist, was finally cleared. Of course by this point he was four years behind the rest of his peers. His career, not to mention his reputation, had been severly damaged by a woman who under oath had admitted that she could see how he could have contrued it to be consensual sex...becuase she had provided consent.

Yeah, but that was before Raygun and his cronies cut a deal behind Carters back with the Iranians to hold off releasing the hostages until after the election in return fer under the table military supplies.

#22 | Posted by dethspud

And just exactly how did that afect the election? No one knew they were going to be realeased so that couldn't swing the vote.

Carter lost because of high unemployment, no gasoline, and high interest rares. The man was a failure to say the least.

Jesse Jackson is a blow hard mouthy Black Racist and is not and never has been Reverend, but he is a black Racist, and disliked by most educated people.
David Duke is an angel compared to Jackson, in fact David Duke and George Wallace was much more Reverend than Jesse Jackson will ever be, so all you racist leftwingers out there put that in your sick crack pipes and smoke on it for a while...

#131 | Posted by Kissntell

A paragraph and a link will do, dumbshit.

#132 | Posted by nullifidian at 2009-11-19 10:52 PM | Reply
Doubt you could look it up and read fuck face

C'mon, Snoops, an inquiring mind wants to know.

#51 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

Just exactly what is your fried, pea brain cant understand about what I said. Healthcare is not a right. What is so hard to understand? You and lar need to get together and read the constitution so you can direct me th the clause that says it is.

"Real football-Chrisstills

Sorry, you lost on the very first one. "

We have that here anyway. Fun to play. Just not as fun to watch for most of us.

What cracks me up are the people who try to force it on us as if its some kind of moral issue. Like every other country can have its own cultural preferences and that is not only OK but something that should be celebrated. But we're a bunch of jerks for liking our own sports. Even ESPN talks about "introducing" the sport to Americans. We know about it. We just don't like it enough to pay to watch it. I don't know why people see that as a problem.

would youy prefer psalm 109:9

May his children be fatherless and his wife a widow

"#105 Nailed it. and I think President Obama is a socialist at the very least:)"

Did you have to follow up that compliment with a statement that was going to get under my skin like that?

I would comment, but I better get to the gym, fast.

Then there's that new tax to pay for BHO's war in Afghanistan :

Nov. 20 (Bloomberg) -- Carl Levin, chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, said higher-income Americans should be taxed to pay for additional troops sent to Afghanistan.

Change we can believe in right Mr. Presidebt....
.

Ok Larrycocksucker and the unemployment is on the HNIC's watch but your chicken shit president keeps blaming others, you worthless fuck
#106 | Posted by reinsurelaw

Wanna quit it with the HNIC bullsh*t?

there are bigger fish to fry rather than wasting time on healthcare at this point. Thus, no need for a bill to waste more money on a system that technically isn't broke.

Those are the illegal aliens, and after next year's amnesty legislation they can then get free health care, too.

Oh right the Fuck tards say Bush spent too much, lets double down, yea thats smart

BULLSHIT it is a fundamental Human right. It is just a calamity that so many Americans don't think so because of the money involved in it. But Yes Health care is a Right NOT a Privilege.

#42 | Posted by LarryMohr

Please point me to the clause in the constitution that backs up your stupid statement.

Read it again, dummy...it was not Bush. Bush is a great man, unlike the present puppet gelding.

Posted by Greatamerican at 2009-11-19 05:07 AM | Reply

It happened on His watch and He had 5 YEARS to get shit squared away with regards to Americans Infrastructure. Oh and Dubya is a worthless piece of shit that should be At The Hague for War Crimes and Crimes against Humanity. It's just too bad the United States is too chickenshit to send one of their own to The Hague. That's what He deserves. Him and Cheney BOTH.

Larry

#4 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2009-11-19 05:10 AM | Reply
Ok Larrycocksucker and the unemployment is on the HNIC's watch but your chicken shit president keeps blaming others, you worthless fuck

From the Timber Trades Journal:

Rosewood is prized among guitar makers as a prime tonewood (used primarily in back and sides of guitars) and is sourced from many countries, including India, Brazil, Madagascar and Honduras.

Gibson is part of Greenpeace's MusicWood Coalition, along with rival guitar makers Taylor and Martin, which seeks to increase the availability of traditional woods used by instrument makers that can be FSC-certified.

Bet all those rethugs out of work wish they were in union jobs now. Even if we get laid off we get partial wages for up to a year.
#42 | Posted by jackass

That's not right. I know a union guy who are out of work for five months and have had no income other than the standard unemployment from the state.

On top of that, they are still paying union dues!!!!

What kind of bullshit is that?

We sat and discussed him working outside the union and he sad taht if he quits and gets a non-union job he has to pay a penalty to get back in.

What kind of bullshit is that?

The unions, from this point of view, are the biggest G-D scam in the US today!

Also, he said that he didn't want the shame of taking a non-union job TO FEED HIS FAMILY!

In my opinion, unions are just like a religion.

Go click the pre-order button at www.masswepray.com for a laugh.

Oh, and KBM's just butt hurt.

who will pay for the 13,000,000 that will still be uninsured ?

He as the CiC basically said the soldiers were guilty before they had a trial.

#70 | Posted by truthhurts at 2009-11-20 04:41 PM

and THIS is the corcksuckster that we are all falling right off the global warming cliff for????

#65 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2009-11-20 11:45 AM | Reply | Flag:

Not ALL---you never believed it anyway. No, it isn't him at all---it is the scientists that tell him about it that is causing all the commotion. You know those scientists with all their education and knowledge--the people you dismiss as idiots as you type on the internet and accept the benefits of their medical expertise--the morons who put us on the moon and can tell the weather of millions of years ago---those are the people causing all the problems---Gore is just their spokesperson.

This is the Thread where the WingDings confuse a gullible but lucrative revenue stream with the plurality of America.

In other words, they will claim he can win with less than 1% of the vote because 4 million people watched his show (cause in wingdingdong world MSM ratings equates to being right and "loved")!

I apologize for encouraging him.

#24 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2009-11-20 04:39 PM

There is a difference between having evidence and having evidence that was aquired and has been handled in such a way as to admissible in a US court of law.

Basically, when the president comes out and says the guy is going to be convicted, we're talking about a show trial anyway.

TH: I agree with that. When Bush condemned the soldiers at Abu Graib he was incredibly negligent. He as the CiC basically said the soldiers were guilty before they had a trial. Being the suspects were under his authority as CiC made it even worse. Obama should have only said (and I actually havent seen or heard what he said) was that KSM etal would be given a fair trial and if found guilty etc etc etc.

Christ, where the hell is Goatboy, the oil wunderkind, when we need info he has knowledge about?

You're distracting from it.
#23 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE

I apologize for encouraging him.

That's a fun topic - "We promise to spend less NEXT year. After healthcare, cap and trade, stimulus, bailouts........ We promise, really....."

"NPR is part of a vast right wing conspiracy"

Duh? They're not called National Petroleum Radio for nothing.

#30, no, see above, we have set this up as a self-sustaining system.

Thereby saving oil!

If it can be distilled and spun down to the finest of lubricant oils, the implications are huge!

What can we call it?

HumanOil?
Sapien Sludge?

#105 Nailed it. and I think President Obama is a socialist at the very least:)

sorry you hate the american judicial system so much.

you must hate democracy as well.

Why can't the poppies pay for the war?

"The thing is, life in prison at Leavenworth or life in prison at Attca doesn't really matter when you're paralyzed, does it? Same with whether or not you're put to death."

To him I bet its six of one....

I'm more concerned about where he is tried as it pertains to what it means for us. Its a tricky situation.

What would that make Obama and other Democrats on their talk about fiscal responsibility next year?

"Company Mocks Catholicism to Sell Video Game"

"Perhaps next year the company will use a spoof ad for an interactive prayer rug or "Jihadi Jump" to sell a "Satanic Verses" game. Don't hold your breath."

Goat..."low" taxes on the wealthy? What's the right tax rate for somebody making...say...$1M/yr? Gimme a number. I'm curious. (keeping in mind, I"m talking only of federal income tax...not mentioning state/city/local rates) 50%?

I don't know, but why are you asking me?

The 2006 mid-term and 2008 presidential election. Hispanics voted 66%-31% for Obama, the best ever result for a Democrat.

But all demographic groups had higher than usual votes for Obama. It's like if a single stock goes up when the entire DJIA is up 200 points, it's not necessarily because that company did something extraordainary.

Didn't McCain say it was irresponsible to send soldiers to war and cut taxes at the same time? I think he said something to the effect that if our soldiers are making sacrifices abroad we should be making sacrifices at home.

Brilliant, Grumpy! We could be energy independent! Until we ran out of people, of course.

Fucking Duh! Nobody has claimed the Bush administration were spendthrifts, just the opposite. The Federal Government, and most state governments, need to cut the crap. If you ain't got the money, don't buy the toy. That said, while the Bush years saw some outlandish spending, the Obama years will make them seem like a stingy grandma recycling aluminum foil and toothpaste.

you can love me all you want... but if you take the word of others over the word of those you claim you love... love ain't worth much then is it?

lisa, they were false at the time. they are false now.

with no official clergy, lies have room to spread and though of as true. If people like al qaeda and such continue to say suicide bombing is allowed, then a thousand years from now people will think its cannon even though its not.

many of the so called "experts" are self proclaimed.

but there has been a massive propaganda war against all religions since their inceptions

what is odd is that you don't see that...

OJ and Robert Blake were found not guilty, but we'll over-come the obstacles that are present in KSM's case...

Yeah, I believe he's going the military trial route, regardless of his "status". The thing is, life in prison at Leavenworth or life in prison at Attca doesn't really matter when you're paralyzed, does it? Same with whether or not you're put to death.

With increased supply the price of peoplegrease would go down perhaps to the point where it might be economical to use in diesel engines.

Chapel, take your butt hurt somewhere else, this thread is for discussing Obama's horrible choice and lack of leadership in picking Timothy Geithner for the Treasury. You're distracting from it.

rightisright should insure his head.

"Of course if our country cant provide evidence of criminal activity why are we detaining them?"

There is a difference between having evidence and having evidence that was aquired and has been handled in such a way as to admissible in a US court of law.

Basically, when the president comes out and says the guy is going to be convicted, we're talking about a show trial anyway.

But if this man was given the full rights of a US citizen and decent lawyer, there would be all kinds of huge obstacles to convicting him.

"It can be done."

Sure if you use a big enough hammer you can pound a square peg into a round hole. Doesn't mean square pegs are supposed to go in round holes.

Sure, but life without parole or death are basically the only options, and I don't think that differs regardless of what he was classified as.
Plus, he's paralyzed isn't he? That in and of itself sounds pretty frickin bad!
Posted by 101Chairborne

I guess what I'm thinking is that there are good reasons to try him in either a civilian or military court. I'm leaning toward civilian, but this did occur on a military base so .... q

Doesn't it have everything to do with the venue where he will go to trial?

#35 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2009-11-20 03:59 PM | Reply

Sure, but life without parole or death are basically the only options, and I don't think that differs regardless of what he was classified as.
Plus, he's paralyzed isn't he? That in and of itself sounds pretty frickin bad!

"Regardless, the classification doesn't matter much, although I tend to think the Army is letting PR guide them, again."

Doesn't it have everything to do with the venue where he will go to trial?

1. Lindh held in secret prisons in Afghanistan.
2. Hamdi held in secret prisons
3. Both were "interrogated"
4. Lindh was strapped to a girney naked with a bullet in his leg while a confession was taken
en.wikipedia.org
5. Padilla held without representation.

Gee you're dumb

#61 | Posted by truthhurts at 2009-11-20 03:48 PM |

1. You're a liar
2. You mean the guy who was released to Saudi Arabia? So? What's the signifcance, dumbass?
3. Fucking hilarious. What a stretch. Why bother, you fucking retard? Where is the documented torture like in KSM's case? Seriously, you're a fucking idiot.
4. So what?
5. As his status as an enemy combatant was being played out in court. Again, so what?

Face it you dumbshit, you've got nothing. You should have just left your weasely little admission in post #33 stand, as pathetic as it was.

Jesus, you really thought the list had some relevance, didn't you?

Cosmic Raystradamus is pretty far out, too.

I don't believe ACORN stole the election for Obama. They did steal votes, but not nearly enough to have made a difference. I didn't vote for McCain--he was the worst candidate in years, and I can't stand him.

#21 | Posted by rightisright at 2009-11-20 11:01 AM | Reply |

They didn't steal votes.

"The only ones who find Fox credible are the folks who are already hypnotized loyalists."

I believe that should be the case, but the open minded person in me will not accept that. I have to believe that there are people on the far right who are similar to me on the left, Fox appeals to their ideological ideas about the world (as MSNBC tends to with mine), but notes the ventures into extreme hyperbole if not outright misrepresentation or mischaracterization. But I guess those same people will acknowledge how FOX overplayed their hand here... if they are like me at all.

WRT to national security implications of trial.

The court can act without public involvement.

From the ZM trial:

The trial highlighted a tension in the United States between the judiciary and national security. Moussaoui made requests for access to confidential documents and the right to call captive al-Qaeda members as witnesses, notably Binalshibh, Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, and Mustafa Ahmed al-Hawsawi. Both requests were claimed by prosecutors to be potential threats to national security. Brinkema denied the motion to access confidential documents, although Moussaoui was permitted to use several al-Qaeda prisoners as witnesses.

It can be done.