California Democrats Split on Increasing Fines for Protesters

Thursday, April 25, 2024

Recent protests blocking roadways over the Israel-Hamas war has led to Democrats looking to team up with Republicans in California to increase the penalty for protestors. Monday, the Assembly Transportation Committee passed Assembly Bill 2742 on an 8-5 vote, with four Democrats siding with Republicans to push it through.

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I'd suggest suing these jerks for punitive and compensatory damages for intentional infliction of emotional distress, but chances are they don't have two cents to rub together.

Must be liberating being a complete loser. No worries about ever having to bear the cost for their misconduct, right up until they get locked up, I mean.

#1 | Posted by censored at 2024-04-23 06:34 PM | Reply

"Sanchez told the committee that a protest on the San Francisco Bay Bridge last November affected three people who were waiting for organ transplants."

Pro-Hamas winning hearts and minds.

#2 | Posted by censored at 2024-04-23 06:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Must be liberating being a complete loser."

No, it's

Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose.

#3 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-23 06:57 PM | Reply

" protest on the San Francisco Bay Bridge last November affected three people who were waiting for organ transplants."

You want to protest? Do it over there, to your heart's content.

You want to block traffic? You should be jail, and responsible for any and all damage done, from missing needed medical care to having to clock in 15 minutes late.

And if I believe in the cause 110%? Even worse. Bad PR hurts good causes.

#4 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-04-23 07:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Civil disobedience is part of a healthy democracy, and if it's done in a way that doesn't ruffle any feathers, then it isn't civil disobedience.

I'm fine with protesters blocking roads, and I'm fine with physically removing protesters who are blocking roads.

That should be the long and the short of it.

#5 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-23 07:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

" if it's done in a way that doesn't ruffle any feathers ... "

Depends on the definition, doesn't it? And the protesters don't know if someone might be late for lunch, or late for a dialysis window. More to the point, they don't care.

Would you consider organ transplants feather-worthy?

#6 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-04-23 07:53 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

[...] You want to block traffic? You should be jail, and responsible for any and all damage done, from missing needed medical care to having to clock in 15 minutes late. [...]#4 | Posted by Danforth

It's strange to me that, living in our litigious society, we let these miscreants get away scott-free with harming others. At least civil damages seems appropriate.

Probably, like I said in #1, something to do with the type of people who engage in this type of practice having no assets or jobs worth speaking of. Which leaves society with only one tool for correcting this behavior, the criminal justice system.

#7 | Posted by censored at 2024-04-23 07:58 PM | Reply

No worries about ever having to bear the cost for their misconduct, right up until they get locked up, I mean.

#1 | POSTED BY CENSORED

Dr. Martin Luther King was arrested 29 times. I prefer him to you.

#8 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-04-23 08:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Civil disobedience is part of a healthy democracy, and if it's done in a way that doesn't ruffle any feathers, then it isn't civil disobedience.
I'm fine with protesters blocking roads, and I'm fine with physically removing protesters who are blocking roads.
That should be the long and the short of it.

POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2024-04-23 07:46 PM | REPLY

Edmund Petus Bridge comes to mind here.

BTW I abhor blocking traffic but I do understand it.

#9 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-04-23 08:05 PM | Reply

www.jta.org

Not a word from censored

#10 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-04-23 08:09 PM | Reply

In what way is impeding another's rights civil disobedience?

Civil disobedience is defined as the refusal to obey the demands or commands of a government or occupying power, without resorting to violence or active measures of opposition.

It's one thing to refuse to obey a law or command.

Quite another to impose negative consequences on another as your protest.

#11 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-04-23 08:10 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

the concept of a protest that isn't "disturbing the peace" is ridiculous.

I admire their passion and their courage.

Too many Karen's in the world I suppose

#12 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-04-23 08:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

if it's done in a way that doesn't ruffle any feathers, then it isn't civil disobedience.
- snoofy

Whose feathers?

The governments, sure, fellow citizens, yeah nah that's being held without your consent.

#13 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-04-23 08:14 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Dr. Martin Luther King was arrested 29 times. I prefer him to you. #8 | Posted by truthhurts

Odd, because I'm pretty much repeating what he said: "One who breaks an unjust law must do so openly, lovingly, and with a willingness to accept the penalty." www.blackpast.org

#14 | Posted by censored at 2024-04-23 08:14 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

the concept of a protest that isn't "disturbing the peace" is ridiculous.
- FTA?

Whose peace?

#15 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-04-23 08:14 PM | Reply

Not a word from censored #10 | Posted by truthhurts

What word do you want?

Do the crime, do the time.

Some peeps want to conspire to falsely imprison a couple thousand drivers, I think they should pay the price for it, both civilly and criminally. No matter the cause.

#16 | Posted by censored at 2024-04-23 08:17 PM | Reply

I can agree with the fine, since it specifically refers to blocking highways. Other roads are no. For one thing, most places can't accommodate 10^3 to 10^4 people getting together without blocking roads. Marching together is a traditional way to protest.

#17 | Posted by horstngraben at 2024-04-23 08:18 PM | Reply

if it's done in a way that doesn't ruffle any feathers, then it isn't civil disobedience

Then they should go civil disobedience a police department or a military base. Putting citizens in the middle of it doesn't advance the cause, it hinders it. Punch up. Go to where the cause is based.

#18 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2024-04-23 08:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

That's not a call to increase the penalty but to respond to the injustice

#19 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-04-23 08:20 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Whose peace?

It's a good question. Getting the public PO'd doesn't do much to convince the public to support your cause.

#20 | Posted by horstngraben at 2024-04-23 08:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

That's not a call to increase the penalty but to respond to the injustice #19 | Posted by truthhurts

What?

We already have penalties on the books for false imprisonment. And they're much more significant than a couple hundred dollars in fines. It's just that elected officials are too chicken-sheet to seek them.

#21 | Posted by censored at 2024-04-23 08:24 PM | Reply

Then they should go civil disobedience a police department or a military base.

Dude. That wouldn't inconvenience anyone.

Quite the opposite. That would be "a field day for the heat."

#22 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-23 08:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Whose peace?
It's a good question. Getting the public PO'd doesn't do much to convince the public to support your cause.

#20 | POSTED BY HORSTNGRABEN

MLK Pissed off a LOT of people, just saying.

#23 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-04-23 08:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Deplorables decided kneeling was a deeply disrespectful way to protest.

They'd shoot protesters if they could.

#24 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-23 08:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"MLK Pissed off a LOT of people, just saying."

Yuuuuuup.

At the time of his death, he was supported by a minority of whites.

A minority of whites.

#25 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-23 08:31 PM | Reply

That's not a call to increase the penalty but to respond to the injustice #19 | Posted by truthhurts
What?
We already have penalties on the books for false imprisonment. And they're much more significant than a couple hundred dollars in fines. It's just that elected officials are too chicken-sheet to seek them.

#21 | POSTED BY CENSORED

I am referring to the fact that MLK fought against unjust laws and accepted the penalty.

You are advocating increasing the penalty of protesting injustice instead of fighting injustice.

MLK would piss a lot of people off today, even a lot of those people who sing his praises.

#26 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-04-23 08:32 PM | Reply

Deplorables decided kneeling was a deeply disrespectful way to protest.
They'd shoot protesters if they could.

#24 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

IIRC many states have passed laws making it legal to run over protestors.

#27 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-04-23 08:33 PM | Reply

Americans are funny people.

We celebrate the spirit of independence, we are untowardly proud of our rebellious birth, we have a large segment that celebrates the confederate rebellion, we idolize MLK.

Yet we consistently and mostly across the board, condemn and attack modern day protestors/rebels.

In 1776 we fought to the death for the right to self determination, now we get our noses bent out of joint if we are 15 minutes late for work.

#28 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-04-23 08:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Americans are funny people.
We celebrate the spirit of independence, we are untowardly proud of our rebellious birth, we have a large segment that celebrates the confederate rebellion, we idolize MLK.
Yet we consistently and mostly across the board, condemn and attack modern day protestors/rebels.
In 1776 we fought to the death for the right to self determination, now we get our noses bent out of joint if we are 15 minutes late for work.

POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS AT 2024-04-23 08:35 PM | REPLY

THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

#29 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-04-23 08:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I am referring to the fact that MLK fought against unjust laws and accepted the penalty. You are advocating increasing the penalty of protesting injustice instead of fighting injustice.
No I'm not. I think a misdemeanor conviction for false imprisonment with up to a year in jail is plenty. Consecutive sentences, of course, for every person impacted, so that could add up. But hey, the protesters are young. They've got some time to kill.

MLK would piss a lot of people off today, even a lot of those people who sing his praises. #26 | Posted by truthhurts
No doubt, no doubt. I don't think he ever wore a tan suit, though. So maybe not as much anger as you expect.

IIRC many states have passed laws making it legal to run over protestors. #27 | Posted by truthhurts
Just trying to put them back on schedule. Some of us have things to do and no desire to be kept captive by a some people who have nothing else going on in their lives.

In 1776 we fought to the death for the right to self determination, now we get our noses bent out of joint if we are 15 minutes late for work. #28 | Posted by truthhurts
Yeah, we self determine whether we want to be late for work. Not the losers who are falsely imprisoning us and have no jobs worth mentioning.

#30 | Posted by censored at 2024-04-23 08:43 PM | Reply

Censored would have been a police dog trainer in Alabama in the 60s

#31 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-04-23 08:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

MLK Pissed off a LOT of people, just saying.

I was more referring to people stuck in traffic, but point taken.

#32 | Posted by horstngraben at 2024-04-23 09:06 PM | Reply

Censored would have been a police dog trainer in Alabama in the 60s #31 | Posted by truthhurts
OK.

Good news, the Gaza war ended! Because some idiots blocked traffic for Americans for 4 hours. Because that's all it took to convince the nuclear-armed citizens of the sovereign nation of Israel to bare their throats. So they could have them cut ear-to-ear by the Palestinians-ISIS-Hamas, who get their groove on to that sort of thing.

See how moronic that sounds? That stopping Americans in traffic will somehow compel Israel to surrender even as they are winning yet another war against the Palestinians?

No? Then you keep on keeping on. If nothing else, it seems to bring you joy.

#33 | Posted by censored at 2024-04-23 09:12 PM | Reply

The trajectory would be protest on bridge, more people research and discuss the issue and learn about the atrocities that Israel is CURRENTLY committing, those people contact their legislators to tell them to stop funding Israel or at a minimum condition aid to Israel. Israel seeing their last support abandoning them, does not invade Rafa, allows in aid, agrees to cease fire and starts to consider a two-state solution (instead of eliminating the Palestinian people).

See: MLK and the Civil Rights Act.

#34 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-04-23 09:17 PM | Reply

But you have no interest in the Gaza war stopping, you want the Palestinian people eliminated, all 3,000,000 of them.

#35 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-04-23 09:18 PM | Reply

But you have no interest in the Gaza war stopping, you want the Palestinian people eliminated, all 3,000,000 of them.
#35 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS

This is false.

#36 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-04-23 09:24 PM | Reply

" we consistently and mostly across the board, condemn and attack modern day protestors/rebels."

... WHO SHOW NO COMPASSION TO ANYONE IN THEIR RANDOM BLOCKADE.

At least finish the sentence honestly.

I'm all for protesters. I'm completely against upending someone ELSE'S life without regard. Two different things.

#37 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-04-23 09:25 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

"In 1776 we fought to the death for the right to self determination, now we get our noses bent out of joint if we are 15 minutes late for work."

So true.

The Founding Fathers Slaves were never late for work in 1776.

#38 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-23 09:36 PM | Reply

I'm all for protesters. I'm completely against upending someone ELSE'S life without regard. Two different things.
#37 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

^
Not all tools are a scalpel in the hands of a Mayo Clinic surgeon.

You're generally okay with what Israel is doing in Gaza, you can be generally okay with DoorDash being late.

#39 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-23 09:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The trajectory would be protest on bridge, more people research and discuss the issue [...] #34 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS,

No, you want to coerce America into abandoning Israel.

We already know plenty about what Israel is doing. Many of us just have a different viewpoint, because we know exactly what Israel is up against, how Hamas is trying to manipulate public opinion by volunteering Palestinian civilians for sacrifice, and what fate awaits the Jews if they lay down arms while 70% of the Palestinians continue supporting Hamas and their October 7th atrocities. www.reuters.com

You just don't care what happens to the Jews.

However, the Jews seem to care what happens to them, so best of luck convincing the nuke-Jews to surrender. And best of luck with the Chris Christie PR approach of making people wait in traffic. You should have as much luck as Christie did with his presidential campaign.

#40 | Posted by censored at 2024-04-23 10:26 PM | Reply

" You're generally okay with what Israel is doing in Gaza"

No, I'm not. In fact, I've stated multiple times both sides are guilty of war crimes. There are NO heroes.

The only thing I've EVER discussed on this subject is to point out how frustrating any and all negotiations must be when Article 13 is always the first demand.

That, and remind folks when the other side insists on your genocide constantly, it forces those threatened to adopt the same goals.

How about if Hamas gives up Article 13? They've been offered peace in return; their answer was, as it's always been, the eradication of Jews.

And as many times as I've asked, I've NEVER gotten any counter-offer stated. Here's your chance: What would YOU counter to someone whose central demand is your and your family's destruction?

#41 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-04-24 12:25 AM | Reply

Has Israel offered actual equality to Palestinians and reparations for the lands stolen?

Have they offered to vacate the West Bank of all settlements? Have they offered to define the borders of Israel in a definitive way? No.

They have offered slow strangulation, starvation, and Dispossession, or quick death by bombing.

How is what Hamas is doing morally worse than that?

Protests are meant to be disruptive.

Increasing the criminal penalties is just a way to shut down open protest.

Want to know where there are no protests?

Totalitarian countries. I thought we were better than that.

Israelis actually have more right to protest than we do here.

If the protests are done by Tribe.

It not, well, preventive detention and military courts with a 99% conviction rate keep the Untermensch in prison for however long the State deems necessary.

Censored seems to want that here. One legal system for the Poor and unpopular.

One for the well-connected and mainstream.

He should move to Israel. But if he's not Tribe. He won't be very happy with the treatment he receives there. Unless of course, he's useful to the Tribe.

Then he might get Reasonable treatment, for as long as he Behaves.

#42 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-04-24 10:35 AM | Reply

" Protests are meant to be disruptive."

Are they intended to possibly put people in dangerous medical situations? All signs point to yes.

There's even a phrase for it: depraved indifference.

#43 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-04-24 10:43 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Melodramatic much.

Mostly it's people late for work, or otherwise inconvenienced.

Intent matters. There is no intent to harm people.

The French recently had protests over tax policy that shut down the whole country... The yellow jackets, etc. Riots for days, cars burned.. Over Taxes.

Why are Americans such Wimps?

This is a whole people being eliminated by an ally we are Paying and Arming to slaughter.

The whole world stands against it.

But someone might be detained by protests.

Boo Hoo.

#44 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-04-24 10:57 AM | Reply

"Protests are meant to be disruptive."

"Are they intended to possibly put people in dangerous medical situations?"

Is the thing being protested intended to kill 30,000 civilians?

#45 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-24 01:20 PM | Reply

Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose.

#3 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-23 06:57 PM | Reply | Flag

Snoofy is using Janice Joplin's name in vain.

#46 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-04-25 03:15 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

" Snoofy is using Janice Joplin's name in vain."

Excuse me?!?
~Kris Kristofferson

#47 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-04-25 04:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

More from the cited article...

... The big picture: AB 2742, authored by Asm. Kate Sanchez (R"Trabuco Canyon), would punish anyone who willfully obstructs a highway, including protests, in any manner that interferes with emergency vehicles. ...

OK, that's the Big Picture. But what does the bill actually say?

leginfo.legislature.ca.gov

...
CALIFORNIA LEGISLATURE" 2023"2024 REGULAR SESSION

Assembly Bill No. 2742

AB 2742, as introduced, Sanchez. Emergency vehicles: penalties.
Existing law requires, upon the immediate approach of an authorized emergency vehicle that is sounding a siren and has a lighted lamp exhibiting red light, that a driver of a vehicle yield the right-of-way to the emergency vehicle, that the operator of a street car immediately stop the street car, and that all pedestrians proceed to the nearest curb or place of safety and remain there until the authorized emergency vehicle has passed.

Existing law makes a violation of that provision an infraction, punishable by specified fines.

This bill would prohibit a person driving a vehicle upon a highway or a pedestrian from willfully obstructing a highway, including in the course of a protest, in any manner that interferes with the ability of an authorized emergency vehicle to pass and would make a violation of this provision punishable by specified fines. By creating a new crime, this bill would impose a state-mandated local program.

The California Constitution requires the state to reimburse local agencies and school districts for certain costs mandated by the state. Statutory provisions establish procedures for making that reimbursement.

This bill would provide that no reimbursement is required by this act for a specified reason.
...

At this point, I have no issue with this bill.

But, channeling Alf, I'm all ears. ...

#48 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-25 06:27 PM | Reply

Really...

Just posting the underlying facts of a discussion seems to scare everyone away?

If only I had known that months ago. ...

#49 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-25 09:25 PM | Reply

See: MLK and the Civil Rights Act.

#34 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS AT 2024-04-23 09:17 PM | REPLY

You DO live in a fantasy world, don't you?

#50 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2024-04-25 10:18 PM | Reply

MLK got off easy, by the standards people like Miranda7 want to put into law.

#51 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-25 10:22 PM | Reply

"OK, that's the Big Picture. But what does the bill actually say?"

Isn't that my line?

#52 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2024-04-25 10:27 PM | Reply

Could you be more specific? I believe that the protests are having some effect in the administration's rhetoric towards Israel, which would be a start. You are aware that there is massive disagreement in congress over aid to Israel, right? Biden's pressure has had a positive effect on Netanyahu. Following the killing of the aid workers, Biden said let more aid in or the US would reconsider it's aid. Within 24 hours Israel quadrupled the aid into Gaza. Biden is certainly under pressure from many different directions-the protests are just one of those.

I honestly think my scenario is grounded deeply in fact, though the final goal of the 2 state solution is likely too ambitious at this point.

Though, admittedly, it is very hard to push Netanyahu to act in accordance with our wishes since he wants ------- to win in November and ALSO needs the conflict to continue to keep his corrupt ass out of jail.

But, Biden trying to walk a line between supporting Israel and criticizing Israel will be impacted by the protests.

#53 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-04-25 10:28 PM | Reply

AB 2742, as introduced, Sanchez. Emergency vehicles: penalties.
Existing law requires, upon the immediate approach of an authorized emergency vehicle that is sounding a siren and has a lighted lamp exhibiting red light, that a driver of a vehicle yield the right-of-way to the emergency vehicle, that the operator of a street car immediately stop the street car, and that all pedestrians proceed to the nearest curb or place of safety and remain there until the authorized emergency vehicle has passed.
Existing law makes a violation of that provision an infraction, punishable by specified fines.
This bill would prohibit a person driving a vehicle upon a highway or a pedestrian from willfully obstructing a highway, including in the course of a protest, in any manner that interferes with the ability of an authorized emergency vehicle to pass and would make a violation of this provision punishable by specified fines. By creating a new crime, this bill would impose a state-mandated local program.
The California Constitution requires the state to reimburse local agencies and school districts for certain costs mandated by the state. Statutory provisions establish procedures for making that reimbursement.
This bill would provide that no reimbursement is required by this act for a specified reason.
...

At this point, I have no issue with this bill.

Are there penalties for emergency vehicles (i.e. cop cars) running over people? I would consider that murder or attempted murder myself.

#54 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-04-25 10:30 PM | Reply

@#52 ... Isn't that my line? ...

You taught me well.

#55 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-25 10:30 PM | Reply

@#54 ... Are there penalties for emergency vehicles (i.e. cop cars) running over people? ...

My guess would be that there are already laws for that.

Do you have evidence to the contrary?

#56 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-25 10:32 PM | Reply

@#53 ... I believe that the protests are having some effect in the administration's rhetoric towards Israel, which would be a start. You are aware that there is massive disagreement in congress over aid to Israel, right? ...

And that relates to this bill ... how?

#57 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-25 10:34 PM | Reply

www.cnn.com

These states have introduced bills to protect drivers who run over protesters

www.thecity.nyc

NYPD Imposes No Discipline on Cops Who Drove SUVs into Protesters

#58 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-04-25 10:38 PM | Reply

#57 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER

Did you follow the thread? Very long argument with Censored. Miranda responded calling me a fantasist, I responded.

#59 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-04-25 10:39 PM | Reply

@#58 ... These states have introduced bills to protect drivers who run over protesters ...

Two comments...

1) from the article you cite...

... The death of Heather Heyer in Charlottesville, Virginia, has renewed focus on bills that surfaced this year in a half-dozen state legislatures that proposed limited protections for drivers who cause injury or death to protesters.

None of the legislation has been enacted so far.

Lawmakers in North Dakota, North Carolina, Florida, Tennessee and Texas proposed bills that would make it legal for drivers to hit protesters if the driver did not do so willfully, according to Mick Bullock, a spokesman for the National Conference of State Legislatures. ...

Proposed or "introduced" is not the law.

2) None of those states are California, the topic of this thread.

And I will still state that I think it is a problem if protesters intentionally stop emergency vehicles.

Which, at this point, is what I view AB 2742 to be concerned with.

So, let's stop deflecting and start looking at what the bill actually says.

To that end, let me ask, do you think it is OK for a protester to impede am emergency vehicle?

#60 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-25 10:58 PM | Reply

@#59 ... Did you follow the thread? Very long argument with Censored. Miranda responded calling me a fantasist, I responded. ...

Yeah.

I know.

I post on a message board.

I get insulted because of those posts. (oh no!)

But I move on to try to continue to discuss the topic of the thread.

#61 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-25 11:02 PM | Reply

I didn't even know that was a word ... ..

fantasist noun
/f ... nt'sst/
/f ... nt'sst/
(sometimes disapproving)
a person who likes to imagine that they are doing something they would like to do, or that something they would like to happen is happening, even though this is very unlikely

Yep, pretty much sums up #34. If the shoe fits ... . But maybe you are onto something, I did look it up.

#62 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2024-04-26 12:22 AM | Reply

So, iow you can't answer my question. You post an insult than can't back it up. You double down on it.

A serious person would post some supporting arguments to a conclusion, you chose otherwise.

You're a nonsense person.

#63 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-04-26 12:26 AM | Reply

But maybe you are onto something, I did look it up.

#62 | POSTED BY MIRANDA7

I never criticize anyone for learning something.

Though in some cases it is too little too late.

#64 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-04-26 12:27 AM | Reply

@#64 ... I never criticize anyone for learning something. ...

That's good.

... Though in some cases it is too little too late. ...

So you seem to have exceptions to your "never."

#65 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-26 12:33 AM | Reply

I'd suggest suing these jerks for punitive and compensatory damages for intentional infliction of emotional distress

If you get sufficient emotional distress to warrant IIED claim, all from sitting in a traffic jam, you should seek therapy, not a lawyer.

#66 | Posted by JOE at 2024-04-26 06:41 AM | Reply

I'm fine with protesters blocking roads, and I'm fine with physically removing protesters who are blocking roads.
That should be the long and the short of it.

#5 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2024-04-23 07:46 PM | FLAG:

They get really upset though when you move them with your vehicle.

#67 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-04-26 08:54 AM | Reply

I didn't realize your question was directed at me, but to answer "Can you be more specific?" My post was specific to #34, that your "trajectory" is unrealistic Is that specific enough?

#68 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2024-04-26 10:55 AM | Reply

"In what way is impeding another's rights civil disobedience?"

This!

Civics 101-your rights end where the next person's begin.

We all have the right to free speech. We don't have the right to force people to listen to that speech.

#69 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-04-26 10:57 AM | Reply

"the concept of a protest that isn't "disturbing the peace" is ridiculous. I admire their passion and their courage."

You admire the Charlottesville protesters?

How about the 1/6ers?

#70 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-04-26 10:58 AM | Reply

Making someone late to work

Beating and tear-gassing police officers and breaking into the US Capitol to disrupt the counting of electoral votes

Gosh these things are so similar i can't even tell them apart

#71 | Posted by JOE at 2024-04-26 11:00 AM | Reply

"Making someone late to work"

My point was, even the smallest inconvenience IS NO RIGHT OF YOURS TO TAKE.

To bastardize a phrase, your protesting ends at my nose.

#72 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-04-26 11:29 AM | Reply

"My point was, even the smallest inconvenience IS NO RIGHT OF YOURS TO TAKE."

Small inconveniences happen all the time.

The other day it took an extra ten minutes because of a crash on the parkway, should I be able to use for damages?

#73 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-26 11:34 AM | Reply

" Small inconveniences happen all the time."

And then you offer an accident, versus a very purposeful action.

Now do an ambulance stuck in the protest, where the patient dies due to the delay.

My point is, the protesters aren't even CONSIDERING as much. It's not like they believe in equal rights; on the contrary, the smallest of their wants is more important than everything and everybody else.

#74 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-04-26 11:41 AM | Reply

"And then you offer an accident, versus a very purposeful action"

What if it was a drunk driver, or a police chase that led to a crash? Those aren't accidents, those are deliberate.

#75 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-26 11:49 AM | Reply

"Now do an ambulance stuck in the protest, where the patient dies due to the delay."

Now do the same ambulance, delayed by a drunk driver or police pursuit.

#76 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-26 11:49 AM | Reply

"My point is, the protesters aren't even CONSIDERING as much."

Protesters would say, their complaints aren't even being CONSIDERED.

#77 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-26 11:50 AM | Reply

They'd shoot protesters if they could.

#24 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Try protesting in a Oklahoma town!

Democrats might be divided over this issue but republicans are not. Republicans are actively trying to pass laws that allow them to run over protestors.

In a rare, early-morning vote, Republican lawmakers in the Oklahoma House approved legislation to grant immunity to drivers who hit protesters.

On a party-line vote Wednesday, the House passed a bill that grants civil and criminal immunity for drivers who unintentionally injure or kill protesters while "fleeing from a riot."
www.oklahoman.com

#78 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-04-26 12:17 PM | Reply

#74 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

If the protestors actions succeed in getting Biden to pressure Israel to stop the war in Gaza saving 10's of thousands of children?

Seems we have a version of the trolley problem.

#79 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-04-26 12:53 PM | Reply

careful ------------, all that straw can be dangerous to your health.

#81 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-04-26 12:58 PM | Reply

Snoofy comparing drunk drivers to protesters because both can end up blocking a road.

The driver is drunk and committing an illegal action... so...

#85 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-04-26 01:11 PM | Reply

More hilarious, for racking up $100k+ in debt, you too can.. not go to your commencement, because some undergrads are mad that the endowments invest in defense stocks and having a tantrum.

#86 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-04-26 01:11 PM | Reply

" If the protestors actions succeed in getting Biden to pressure Israel to stop the war in Gaza"

Why pretend that's where it stops? Aren't there protesters on the other side as well?

#87 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-04-26 01:13 PM | Reply

"Making someone late to work"

Making someone late to chemotherapy. Literally making someone late to an organ transplant.

The 1/6ers were retarded...but they were up challenging the constitution. The constitution had nowhere to be, and as we saw, wiped the floor with the 1/6ers.

The Jihadists on the bridge were challenging the people of California directly. Telling them, "I am not going to allow you to do what you want to do, because my message is important. And you have no choice but to listen to me."

#89 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-04-26 01:14 PM | Reply

"If the protestors actions succeed in getting Biden to pressure Israel to stop the war in Gaza saving 10's of thousands of children?"

----, fool, if stopping the bombing is the goal...Maybe the protesters should be pressing the Jihadists in the US who support Hamas to release the Israeli prisoners. Y'know...rather than siding with Hamas.

#92 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-04-26 01:18 PM | Reply

FATBOOMBOOM=PUMKINHEAD?

#93 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-04-26 01:21 PM | Reply

"If the protestors actions succeed in getting Biden to pressure Israel to stop the war in Gaza saving 10's of thousands of children?"
----, fool, if stopping the bombing is the goal...Maybe the protesters should be pressing the Jihadists in the US who support Hamas to release the Israeli prisoners. Y'know...rather than siding with Hamas.
#92 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

You're arguing America should negotiate with terrorists?

You are aware we have and continue to demand their release, right?

#94 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-04-26 01:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

When they block the road just run em over, problem solved

#95 | Posted by THEBULL at 2024-04-26 01:43 PM | Reply

"You're arguing America should negotiate with terrorists? You are aware we have and continue to demand their release, right?"

The US government is.

Extremists are not. Your people are not.

#96 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-04-26 02:05 PM | Reply

"When they block the road just run em over, problem solved"

It's a bridge.

Let them jump.

#97 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-04-26 02:05 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

When they block the road just run em over, problem solved

#95 | POSTED BY THEBULL

In Oklahoma that's OK!

www.oklahoman.com

#98 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-04-26 02:44 PM | Reply

Does anyone care what leftist terrorists subsidized by left wing Dem phony elites like Soros and other Democrat supported terrorists say or think? Most care nothimg. Many are neither citizens nor affiliated with our colleges. Throw them all out and permanently.

#99 | Posted by Robson at 2024-04-26 06:23 PM | Reply

Robson @ #99

OK ~ Who plugged in the troll machine?

#100 | Posted by Twinpac at 2024-04-26 07:51 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

The driver is drunk and committing an illegal action... so...
#85 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

So where's my damages?

#101 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-26 09:41 PM | Reply

That's not how the trolley problem works.

#102 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2024-04-26 10:36 PM | Reply

That's not how the trolley problem works.

#102 | POSTED BY MIRANDA7

You don't understand the trolley problem.

#103 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-04-26 10:49 PM | Reply

Civil disobedience is part of a healthy democracy, and if it's done in a way that doesn't ruffle any feathers, then it isn't civil disobedience.

I'm fine with protesters blocking roads, and I'm fine with physically removing protesters who are blocking roads.

Would you be fine with someone ramming protestors because they're transporting someone with a medical emergency?

#104 | Posted by jpw at 2024-04-27 12:14 AM | Reply

No, that sounds like murder.

#105 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-27 01:37 AM | Reply

So where's my damages?

#101 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2024-04-26 09:41 PM | FLAG:

Sue them and go for it. Better hope it's somebody with something worth taking though.

#106 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-04-27 09:59 AM | Reply

If you lose your job, lose a contract, or otherwise "have a substantial, demonstrable financial loss", yes you can sue them. You just need clear evidence of direct harm. Go get those damages.

#107 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-04-27 10:04 AM | Reply

Then we don't need a new law.

#108 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-27 10:15 AM | Reply

No new laws, no higher fine. If a protest blocks traffic and kills somebody in an ambulance, charge the organizers with manslaughter and call it a day.

#109 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-04-27 10:46 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"If the protestors actions succeed in getting Biden to pressure Israel to stop the war in Gaza saving 10's of thousands of children?"
----, fool, if stopping the bombing is the goal...Maybe the protesters should be pressing the Jihadists in the US who support Hamas to release the Israeli prisoners. Y'know...rather than siding with Hamas.
#92 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-04-26 01:18 PM

Isn't Netanyahu the direct connection to Hamas?

He controls power, water, food, communications and security, not just mobilizing millions of civilians by force.

Oh, wait - it appears that most Israeli ARE protesting Netanyahu..

#110 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2024-04-27 04:24 PM | Reply