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Neoliberal orthodoxy holds that economic freedom is the basis of every other kind. That orthodoxy, a Nobel economist says, is not only false; it is devouring itself.

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And it is this broad notion of freedom that has been given short shrift by powerful strands in modern economic thinking"notably the one that goes by the shorthand term neoliberalism, the belief that the freedom that matters most, and from which other freedoms indeed flow, is the freedom of unregulated, unfettered markets.

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"F. A. Hayek and Milton Friedman were the most notable 20th-century defenders of unrestrained capitalism. The idea of "unfettered markets""markets without rules and regulations"is an oxymoron because without rules and regulations enforced by government, there could and would be little trade.

Cheating would be rampant, trust low. A world without restraints would be a jungle in which only power mattered, determining who got what and who did what. It wouldn't be a market at all."

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"My own conclusions have been radically different. It was because of democratic demands that democratic governments, such as that of the U.S., responded to the Great Depression through collective action.

The failure of governments to respond adequately to soaring unemployment in Germany led to the rise of Hitler.

Today, it is neoliberalism that has brought massive inequalities and provided fertile ground for dangerous populists.

Neoliberalism's grim record includes freeing financial markets to precipitate the largest financial crisis in three-quarters of a century, freeing international trade to accelerate deindustrialization, and freeing corporations to exploit consumers, workers, and the environment alike.

Contrary to what Friedman suggested in his 1962 book, Capitalism and Freedom, this form of capitalism does not enhance freedom in our society.

Instead, it has led to the freedom of a few at the expense of the many. As Isaiah Berlin would have it: Freedom for the wolves; death for the sheep."

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"The consequences of neoliberalism point to part of the reason: specifically, growing income and wealth disparities and the polarization caused by the media.

In theory, economic freedom was supposed to be the bedrock basis for political freedom and democratic health. The opposite has proved to be true.

The rich and the elites have a disproportionate voice in shaping both government policies and societal narratives. All of which leads to an enhanced sense by those who are not wealthy that the system is rigged and unfair, which makes healing divisions all the more difficult."

Excerpts... there's a lot more at the thread link, which I would encourage you to read, as just posting what you always post on the subject is, well, inadequate, and worse, increasingly boring

#1 | Posted by Corky at 2024-04-22 03:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Neoliberal orthodoxy holds that economic freedom is the basis of every other kind."

These are the same people who are fine with people living in poverty and thus not having any freedom because they bad choices.

Freedom isn't a right. It's something you have to buy.

#2 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-22 04:12 PM | Reply

"Neoliberal theorists and their beneficiaries may be happy to live with all this. They are doing very well by it.

They forget that, for all the rhetoric, free markets can't function without strong democracies beneath them " the kind of democracies that neoliberalism puts under threat. In a very direct way, neoliberal capitalism is devouring itself.

Not only are neoliberal economies inefficient at dealing with collective issues, but neoliberalism as an economic system is not sustainable on its own.

To take one fundamental element: A market economy runs on trust. Adam Smith himself emphasized the importance of trust, recognizing that society couldn't survive if people brazenly followed their own self-interest rather than good codes of conduct:

"The regard to those general rules of conduct, is what is properly called a sense of duty, a principle of the greatest consequence in human life, and the only principle by which the bulk of mankind are capable of directing their actions ... Upon the tolerable observance of these duties, depends the very existence of human society, which would crumble into nothing if mankind were not generally impressed with a reverence for those important rules of conduct."

For instance, contracts have to be honored. The cost of enforcing every single contract through the courts would be unbearable. And with no trust in the future, why would anybody save or invest?"

Neoliberalism is eating itself by destroying democracy... which it thinks to replace with a Russianesque Oligarchy.

#3 | Posted by Corky at 2024-04-22 04:19 PM | Reply

"Free Market" is as misunderstood a turn of phrase as "Survival Of The Fittest."

It should be called "fair markets" or something like that. A market where the butcher doesn't have his thumb on the scale and the currency isn't counterfeit and the goods aren't counterfeit either.

All of which cannot happen without... Government Regulation!

#4 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-22 04:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

An interesting essay that will fly right over those who need to consider its points. Sadly, a lack of attention span or time will prevent most from even reading it.

Thanks for posting it.

#5 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2024-04-22 04:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Free Market" is as misunderstood a turn of phrase as "Survival Of The Fittest."

It should be called "fair markets" or something like that. A market where the butcher doesn't have his thumb on the scale and the currency isn't counterfeit and the goods aren't counterfeit either.

All of which cannot happen without... Government Regulation!

#4 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

A more transparent and accurate term would be "manipulated markets".

#6 | Posted by a_monson at 2024-04-22 06:23 PM | Reply

All of which cannot happen without... Government Regulation!
#4 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

This is a hilarious strawman argument.

The Road to Serfdom had some general outlines in support for government regulation.

Your use of government regulation is for dominion over everything market related. Intelligent people are more nuanced.

#7 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-04-22 06:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Intelligent people are more nuanced."

Yeah that's why you need inspectors.

Because intelligent con artists know how to make the scale read 1lb when the customer is only getting 15.5 oz.

Intelligent con artists know how to make tungsten look like gold and the only way the customer can tell is with an expensive electronic tester.

#8 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-22 06:56 PM | Reply

"The Road to Serfdom"

Having market regulators is not Central Planning.

You trained your AI on right-wing claptrap.

#9 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-22 07:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

- dominion over everything market related

Laughable claptrap.

The very wealthy own the regulators, the products, and the means of production.

Their only problem is becoming the same as Russia's Oligarchy has now; their KGB Agent now owns them.

When democratic government fails, the authoritarians take over, and even the very wealthy are no longer safe.

As stated, Neoliberalism is eating itself by destroying democracy.

#10 | Posted by Corky at 2024-04-22 07:47 PM | Reply

"50 years of tax cuts for the rich failed to trickle down, economics study says

Tax cuts for the wealthy have long drawn support from conservative lawmakers and economists who argue that such measures will "trickle down" and eventually boost jobs and incomes for everyone else. But a new study from the London School of Economics says 50 years of such tax cuts have only helped one group " the rich.

"Based on our research, we would argue that the economic rationale for keeping taxes on the rich low is weak," Julian Limberg, a co-author of the study and a lecturer in public policy at King's College London, said in an email to CBS MoneyWatch.

"In fact, if we look back into history, the period with the highest taxes on the rich " the postwar period " was also a period with high economic growth and low unemployment."

www.cbsnews.com

#11 | Posted by Corky at 2024-04-22 08:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

" a new study from the London School of Economics says 50 years of such tax cuts have only helped one group " the rich."

They had to do a STUDY to figure that out?!?

FFS, all they had to do was look at the equation. The last four tax codes (Reagan, Dubya, Dubya II, and Trump) have ALL squeezed money out of the middle class, and into the 1%. And each at a larger ratio. Trump's was obviously written by folks who don't know how to write a tax code.

And the folks at Bain paid a lower rate than YOU, dear reader.

#12 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-04-22 08:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Yeah, but see there's trans people out there! And Dems will take all your guns away some day, and women will continue to have abortions, for the most part in a rational, timely manner.

Which are all a hell of a lot more important problems than losing our Constitutional democracy to Oligarchs, Authoritarians, and Corporations! (but I repeat myself)

#13 | Posted by Corky at 2024-04-22 10:08 PM | Reply

"These are the same people who are fine with people living in poverty and thus not having any freedom because they bad choices."

And the rights of those who made good choices be curtailed in order to compensate for those who did.

Why is it that USans are so resistant to letting a benevolent, loving shepherd like Stiglitz make their decisions for them.

The mentality is you will never be free until you are free from freedom. Ask any good Soviet nostalgist.

#14 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-04-23 02:45 PM | Reply

"The mentality is you will never be free until you are free from freedom."

Paint me a picture of what it means to be free of school shootings.

Explain how that is worse than school shootings.

#15 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-23 02:46 PM | Reply

"They forget that, for all the rhetoric, free markets can't function without strong democracies beneath them"

Au contraire, madame,

The free market has existed even under conditions where participation could get you killed.

Why? Because it is the most accurate means of allocating resources based on the wants and needs of those participating in the market.

The option is the government making allocation decision. Maybe based on what they think society may want. More likely, based on the ideological goals of the party in power.

#16 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-04-23 02:48 PM | Reply

"All of which cannot happen without... Government Regulation!"

Why not?

I can choose how I allocate my labor. I don't have to take currency as payment. I can choose to be paid in whatever I agree on with the person to whom I am trading my labor...and that's really Stiglitz's problem. Transactions that serve the interests of the stakeholders, but don't also take into account non-stakeholders.

#17 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-04-23 02:51 PM | Reply

"Your use of government regulation is for dominion over everything market related."

Worth repeating.

I don't think progressives have a problem with poverty or income inequality. They just want to control who gets binned where.

#18 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-04-23 02:53 PM | Reply

"As stated, Neoliberalism is eating itself by destroying democracy."

And Marx predicted that capitalism would destroy itself by accumulation.

Instead, capitalism enabled a planet where more people are now part of the middle-class than not.

#19 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-04-23 02:55 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"All of which cannot happen without... Government Regulation!"

"Why not?"

Well, take a look at history.

You've probably read The Jungle by Upton Sinclair.

You're the king of person who says it's okay to put formaldehyde in the milk.

So I don't think you'll be able to understand why formaldehyde doesn't belong in milk.

#20 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-23 03:11 PM | Reply

"I agree on with the person to whom I am trading my labor"

Let's say your agreement takes the form of a contract.

How is that contract enforced without an enforcement agency?

The other issue, of course, is scale. But you probably will refuse to understand how scale applies to the economy.

#21 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-23 03:14 PM | Reply

Instead, capitalism enabled a planet where more people are now part of the middle-class than not.
#19 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Did Capitalism also enable global warming, or was that Progressives?

#22 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-23 03:17 PM | Reply

Instead, capitalism enabled a planet where more people are now part of the middle-class than not.
#19 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Did Capitalism also enable global warming, or was that Progressives?

#23 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-23 03:17 PM | Reply

"So I don't think you'll be able to understand why formaldehyde doesn't belong in milk."

Given the choice between drinking sour, bacteria-ridden milk or milk preserved with formaldehyde, I'd take the latter.

I'd say I'll do me and you do you...but we both know that the best role of government is to tell people what they will do. Regardless of what they would choose on their own.

#24 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-04-23 03:18 PM | Reply

"Did Capitalism also enable global warming, or was that Progressives?"

Well, lex be honest, the earth itself is the greatest source of climate change. That's been the case for hundreds of millions of years.

#25 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-04-23 03:19 PM | Reply

"Your use of government regulation is for dominion over everything market related."

"Worth repeating."

I don't understand what exactly you're getting at.

Who or what has dominion over everything market related, in the current scheme of things?

For purposes of illustration, let's limit the discussion to markets subject to the Interstate Commerce Clause of the United States Constitution.

#26 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-23 03:21 PM | Reply

"How is that contract enforced without an enforcement agency?"

Maybe with fists. Maybe with war. But always the understanding that you don't do business with people who don't live up to their end of the agreement.

#27 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-04-23 03:21 PM | Reply

Well, lex be honest, the earth itself is the greatest source of climate change. That's been the case for hundreds of millions of years.
#25 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

That's not an answer.

#28 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-23 03:21 PM | Reply

"How is that contract enforced without an enforcement agency?"

Maybe with fists. Maybe with war.
#27 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

And if you lose the war?

#29 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-23 03:22 PM | Reply

"Maybe with fists. Maybe with war."

You are simply describing Might Makes Right.

I'm not sure if you're capable of understanding that, though.

#30 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-23 03:23 PM | Reply

Stiglitz maybe should be happy. If his postulations are correct the free market will destroy itself. Having read quite about of JS's work, he imagines something akin to a benign Soviet Union rising up in its place. After all, no one has actually implemented true communism, amiright??

But that's a dream. Maybe it's replaced by an authoritarian left-wing government, which he'd likely accept as the next best thing. But just as likely it would be a right wing-government.

#31 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-04-23 03:25 PM | Reply

"more people are now part of the middle-class than not."

The median per-capita household income is only $2,920 per year. www.zippia.com

Nice "middle class." Dumbass.

#32 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-23 03:26 PM | Reply

"The free market has existed even under conditions where participation could get you killed."

Like being a slave?

#33 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-23 03:27 PM | Reply

#32 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2024-04-23 03:26 PM: "Nice "middle class." Dumbass."

"More than half the world's population is for the first time living in households earning enough to be considered middle or upper class, with five people joining their ranks every second.

The rapid growth of the middle class, most of which is taking place in Asia, will have significant economic and political effects, as people become more demanding of businesses and governments, said Kristofer Hamel, chief operating officer of World Data Lab, the non-profit organisation that compiled the figures.

"The milestone is important because the middle class is the engine of modern economies," Mr Hamel said, adding that about half of global economic demand is generated by household consumption, with half of this coming from the middle class.

The World Data Lab defines middle class as someone earning between $11 and $110 per day, on a 2011 purchasing power parity basis, a benchmark used by many organisations and governments, including India and Mexico. It concluded earlier this month that 3.59bn people make up the global middle class, and forecast that the group would grow to 5.3bn by 2030."

"www.ft.com"

The actual shift began about a decade before this article was written.

Your issue is based on your understanding of what constitutes the "middle-class" based on your experiences in the US. In reality, that's more like the top 1% across the planet.

#34 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-04-23 03:55 PM | Reply

"Like being a slave?"

It's technically like the exact opposite of being a slave.

#35 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-04-23 03:56 PM | Reply

Your definition of middle class was designed to answer this research question:

The choice between these various approaches depends on the purpose at hand. As I am
interested in whether the emerging Asian middle class can compensate for falling growth in the
US middle class, it makes sense to take an absolute approach with a common threshold range for
all countries. It would make no sense to compare Indians earning USD2 per day with Americans
earning USD50 per day and claim that both are comparable in terms of purchasing power, and as
drivers of global growth, because both are middle class.
www.oecd.org

Do you acknowledge falling growth in the U.S. middle class?

If you don't, then this definition doesn't work.

#36 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-23 04:12 PM | Reply

"The free market has existed even under conditions where participation could get you killed."

"Like being a slave?"

It's technically like the exact opposite of being a slave.
#35 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

^
Again, not an answer.

And how exactly is getting killed while participating in the market the opposite of being a slave? You know lots of slaves died in transit, before they got to participate in the market, right?

#37 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-23 04:14 PM | Reply

"Your issue is based on your understanding of what constitutes the "middle-class" based on your experiences in the US."

It's actually based on the emergence and growth of the middle class in Renaissance Europe as the driving force of economic prosperity.

The US comes into the picture in the present day, with the falling growth of the middle class, and thus the elimination of the driver of economic prosperity in America.

#38 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-23 04:19 PM | Reply

#34

is merely another way of saying, "But... but.... Somalia!".

As if to infer that as long as there is poverty somewhere in the world, Americans should just be damn glad they aren't there instead, and should kowtow to the powers that be rather than advocating laws and policies that make capitalism more of a level playing field by protecting the People from their Representatives being owned by Oligarchs.

Deficit spending tax cuts skewed to the very wealthy, laws that make unlimited money to pols 'free speech', and Supreme Court appointees who take bribes from wealthy benefactors is fair and equitable policy to those, who for the most part, inherited or lucked into wealth.

Do you know who really supports this kind of beggaring of the elites? People who are just able to get by in life with minimally adequate incomes allowed by their betters so they don't join the Revolt, and who are scared to death that with a truly level economic playing field, they wouldn't be able to compete.

#39 | Posted by Corky at 2024-04-23 09:16 PM | Reply

"Your definition of middle class was designed to answer this research question:"

You give me far too much credit, sir. It is not my definition.

In this case, the definition came from the World Data Lab, but pretty much everyone else who does this sort of research has come to the same conclusion.

www.nasdaq.com

Here was my first exposure, back in 2009:

www.economist.com

#40 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-04-24 01:38 AM | Reply

"Do you acknowledge falling growth in the U.S. middle class?"

Waht do you mean by that? It's in decline? It's rate of growth has slowed? What?

What I do know is that, pre-COVID, median household incomes had gone from $56K (2022$) in 1985 to $78K in 2020; dipping to $75K in 2022. I don't know that the full effects of COVID have yet to shake out. Or at least not from a data perspective.

#41 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-04-24 01:42 AM | Reply

There is no perfect system.

Communism and socialism have to deal with an uphill battle against human nature and a bureaucracy that well empower and elevate itself.

A fully libertarian anarcho-capitalist system faces an inevitable end in monopolies and oligopolies, as those at the top reach the resources needed to undercut any competition that springs up.

A mixed system like ours becomes corrupted and ends the same, as lobbyists craft regulations to benefit themselves and make new businesses too expensive and difficult to compete.

The only way to do better would be to force the money out of lobbying and eliminate the revolving door between the legislators and lobbyists. But as that is part of how Congress is composed almost entirely of millionaires on non-millionaires salaries - they will never vote against their self-interest. At this point, it would take an actual revolution - and this is where left-wing populism should probably be embraced, because the current neoliberal elitism, as the article shows - is eating itself and will collapse under its ever-increasing inequality.

#42 | Posted by zeropointnrg at 2024-04-24 03:07 PM | Reply

From the article:
"The rate of absolute income mobility"that is, the percentage of children who earn more than their parents"has been declining steadily since the Second World War." This fact proves that "the American Dream" is a myth, and that there will likely be a civil war in our near future, propelled by both The Know-Nothing Party of Trump and the grossly unbalanced amount of wealth held by the super-rich and corporations. The pity is: the ultra-rich and mega-corporations use Trump and PACs to distract our stupid citizens from our pockets being picked.

#43 | Posted by e1g1 at 2024-04-24 03:41 PM | Reply

"At this point, it would take an actual revolution - and this is where left-wing populism should probably be embraced, because the current neoliberal elitism, as the article shows - is eating itself and will collapse under its ever-increasing inequality."

Marx basically predicted the same thing back in the mid-1800s.

It never happened.

#44 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-04-25 02:34 AM | Reply

It's also just as likely that society would embrace right-wing populism. The first fascist party, in Italy, was an offshoot of the Italian socialist party.

#45 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-04-25 12:38 PM | Reply

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