"The lives of others is always cheaper"

IDF has killed 20x more Palestinians than Hamas, Hezbollah, PLO, etc have killed Israelis.

"More than you or the other Hamas-Lovers did for the massacred Jews at your October 8th "protests," right?"

What was I supposed to do for the 1,200 massacred Israelis, and was I also supposed to do it for the 30,000 massacred Palestinians?

"finish what Hitler started"

Jews were being rounded up and massacred long before Hitler's grandmother's grandmother was born.

Perhaps that explains why the folly of nation-building didn't seem like folly to so many European Jews.

European victims of ethnic cleansing who emigrated to The Levant and started, in one of history's greatest ironies, ethnically cleansing it.

"This could all end today if the Palestinian fighters in Gaza chose to surrender."

Says who? Neyanyahu doesn't say that so I'm pretty sure you're just making it up.

"damage to civilians be disproportionate."

Edited for IDF strategy of Collective Punishment which is a war crime under the Geneva Conventions.

I am coming to realize that no counter response to 10/7 would be acceptable to the sizeable pro Hamas crowd in Western countries.
#23 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

You are an undisputed expert at fooling yourself.

"no counter response to 10/7"

That's what Netanyahu did for most of the day.
He was happy to let it cook.

"But the purpose is Israel defending itself from another Hamas Palestinian attack."

Why didn't they defend themselves from the first one...

Why does Israel have to kill 30,000 Palestinian civilians to defend Israel from Hamas, how does that work?

What is the connection between attacking Palestinian civilians and defending Israel from Hamas?

"When fighting a war the whole point of winning is for the damage to be disproportionate."

Like a $500,000 hijack plan that got the enemy to spend $4,000,000,000,000. Much of which was extracted from the middle class, and borrowed from China.

You say the words, but you don't understand what they mean in the real world.

"Now do Israel and using famine as a weapon of war!"
Are they?
How about Hamas?
#42 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Hamas is a terrorist organization.
How about Israel?

"Hamas was duly elected as the ruling government.
Are you saying that Israel should have started wiping them out in 2006?"

Netanyahu did more than let that cook. He funded and supported it.

Is it really a "democratic election" when one of the parties is a terrorist organization?

"Most of your points seem to be align with the notion that Hamas needs to be wiped out."

Again, how does killing Palestinian civilians achieve the goal?

You're the military expert here, or do you just push buttons?

"Hamas was duly elected as the ruling government."

Almost 20 years ago, and there has not been an election since. Does that sound like a democracy to you?

And even if it does, what hinges on the terrorists getting elected vs. the terrorists gaining power through terror?

Are you saying that Israel should have started wiping them out in 2006?
That his fault was not starting this process 18 years ago?
#46 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Netanyahu supported Hamas.
That is Netanyahu's fault.

Can you even acknowledge that Netanyahu supported Hamas?
Censored can't, maybe you can show him how it's done!

"seems to be swaying Palestinian opinions in favor of a two-state solution"

Spoiler Alert:
Israel does not support a two state solution.

The last Israeli leader who supported a two state solution was assassinated by a conservative Jew

Zionists made him a folk hero, and Israel let him start a family from prison.

"Otherwise, children don't seem like they would often be seen as valid military target."

Think again.

Half the homes in Gaza have been destroyed by IDF.

"Civilians are, by definition, not targets. They are just the collateral damage that occurs when Hamas surrounds it's valid military targets with civilians."

So you're saying half the homes in Gaza were valid military targets.

You go ahead and negotiate with terrorists after they come rape and slaughter 30,000 of your civilian men, women, and children. And then don't act surprised when they turn it into a yearly holiday.

"Hamas has sworn to destroy Israel, as it has those who came before, and 70% of Palestinians are A-OK with that"

Got a plan to win hearts and minds?

Or is the plan to keep killing civilians and hope the rest of the civilians learn to tolerate and coexist peacefully with the country that is killing their civilians and occupying their land in the West Bank.

You tell us.

Israel has its own country where they welcome people of varying faiths, with even a large minority (20%) of Muslim citizens.* **

*Offer not valid for Palestinians who lived in what is now Israel before 1948.
**Offer not valid for Palestinians who lived in what is now the Occupied West Bank before 1967.

"Just as an aside, I believe Israel announced last week they were seizing another 2,000 acres of land in the West Bank."

What's Hebrew for Lebensraum?

"But let them know they're not getting any of "their" land back."

It all belings to Israel. From The River To The Sea.

But... You don't really think they'll stop there, do you?

A) Israelis not terrorists

Half the homes in Gaza are destroyed, how is that not terrorism?

'When Hamas occupies and otherwise protected entity, it loses its protection under the Geneva Conventions."

Did you mean to say,

"The civilians lose their protection under the Geneva Convention"

Because it's their homes being destroyed.

Unless you're telling me half of the homes in Gaza are home to Hamas fighters, of course.

"When Hamas occupies and otherwise protected entity, it loses its protection under the Geneva Conventions."

This manner of thinking is why Netanyahu has been supporting Hamas this whole time.

To prevent the emergence of a legitimate, Geneva compliant, Palestinian state.

I'm not sure you're capable of understanding that, though.

^
This is what I mean about you not being able to understand.

It's not me saying this stuff.
It's Netanyahu saying this stuff.

"Was it terrorism when the allies were bombing Europe and Japan in WWII?"

Irrelevant.
But since you brought it up: Define terrorism.

"What did Israel steal?"

Land.

"You also seem to be forgetting that the land in question was part of the kingdom of Judea."

"Was."

You seem to be forgetting what "was" means.

The current nation of Israel has no political relationship to the Kingdom of Judea and does not derive legitimacy from anything other than the UN.

The same UN that was created by the United States to help carry out US foreign policy.

MadBomber,

Come back when you're able to talk about Israel, and not talk about Kakinigrad or Trail of Tears or wherever your childlike sense of wonder takes you next.

"LOL. If you don't want to get bombed by people (who are much more powerful than you) then I suggest you don't try to murder them and rape them and kidnap them. Just a thought."

LOL. How many of the 30,000 dead civilians living under the Hamas regime backed by Israel raped and kidnapped Israelis? Just something to think about.

"All of them supported it in one way or another."

Really, even the ones who were six years old supported it, that makes sense to you.

"You seem to be forgetting what "legitimacy" means."

It means legal standing.

Israel's right to exist -- Israel's legitimacy -- comes from the United Nations.

By your logic Native American Indians have legal titles to the land you just recently invaded here in North America.
#114 | POSTED BY ONEIRONAUT

^
Various US courts have upheld that.

I guess all of the Israelis supported killing 30,000 Palestinian civilians.

Oh well. Nothing more to talk about.