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Sunday, April 14, 2024

Rep. Eric Swalwell (D-Calif.) mocked House Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) and former President Donald Trump after the pair remarked on "election integrity" in the U.S. on Friday. "That's like having to listen to a lecture by Bonnie and Clyde on bank security," Swalwell said. "I mean, it's absurd considering what they did in the 2020 election to try and overturn it."

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The two Republicans, in a joint press conference from Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate, raised concerns about elections and pushed a bill banning noncitizens from voting. There is virtually no evidence of noncitizen voting and it's illegal for noncitizens to vote in federal elections.

"Well, it's already illegal for noncitizens to vote," Swalwell noted.

"And so, they're going after something that is already illegal and by the way, it's not a thing."

Welcome to the Big Lie 2.0. No, immigrants are not coming to America and voting in our elections. They're coming to America to work their asses off to earn money to take care of their families. Illegal immigrants do not vote in any numbers to effect the outcome of federal elections.
In 2016, North Carolina audited its elections to make sure no one voted improperly. It found that 41 legal immigrants who had not yet become citizens cast ballots. That's out of 4.8 million votes cast. Those illegal votes didn't make a difference in a single election in the state, even the smallest local race, according to the state's election board. Trump's Department of Justice later filed criminal charges against 19 immigrants for illegally voting in North Carolina.

In 2022, Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, a Republican, conducted an audit of his state's voter rolls specifically looking for noncitizens. His office found that 1,634 had attempted to register, but election officials had caught all the applications and none were actually registered to vote.

The Brennan Center for Justice, a liberal group, surveyed 44 election officials in some of the most populous and immigrant-heavy jurisdictions in the country after 2016, including Arizona, California and Texas. It found only about 30 incidents of a possible noncitizen voting out of 23.5 million votes cast in those places.

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#1 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-04-13 09:08 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

I am willing to bet that more republiturds vote illegally than immigrants.

#2 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-04-13 10:04 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

#2
Bingo!

Yahtzee!

You betcha!

Abso-bloomin-lutely Emeffers!

#3 | Posted by Wardog at 2024-04-13 10:29 AM | Reply

The Heritage Foundation has a lovely site dedicated to documenting election fraud convictions.
www.heritage.org

Even a cursory review will make a few things obvious:

States average about one conviction per state per year.

The vast majority of fraud by voters occurs in what would be considered "red" areas. (eg, Western Kansas)

The majority of fraud ISN'T COMMITTED BY VOTERS. It's by what I call "the three Cs": Canvassers, Cullers, and Counters.

The reasons for so little fraud by voters in Presidential elections are obvious:

1. You'd have to be voting in one of 6-7 states. That knocks out ~80% of America: who in their right mind would commit voter fraud in Idaho or Connecticut?
2. Each fraudulent vote is punishable by 1 year in jail and $10,000. Hardly worth it.
3. Fraud at scale is only as strong as the weakest link. As we've learned, you can't have 4-or-more people involved in a crime, without at least one of them posting something on Facebook. And if it were rampant...where are the whistleblowers, where are those with a change of conscience, where are the deathbed confessions? This is where Macro turns into Micro: if not a single person has come forward, that's because IT DOESN'T EXIST.
4. Speaking of, if ballots were grabbed by roommates/housemates/lovemates, we'd have testifiers coming out of the woodwork, especially after a close election, and ESPECIALLY if they believe that usurpation contributed to Trump's loss. Not a one, when the theory demands tens of thousands?!? DOESN'T EXIST.
5. Voter impersonation is near impossible: disguises, changing in the car, detailed research on who votes, odds the person you're pretending to be will have voted, or might be known to the locals; travel between precincts after 2-3 votes (at most) per location, etc
6. FWIW, in the last election, there WERE a handful of fraudulent votes. In all the cases I read, exactly ONE involved a Democrat.
7. IIRC, one of the 60+ cases ended when the judge asked how many of the questionable votes went to Biden. When the lawyers hemmed and hawed, and suggested that's not the point, the judge forced them to admit NONE of the questionable votes had gone for Biden.

Did you catch that last one? Trump's lawyers were arguing, Yes, we lost, but our side committed irregularities, so you should throw out the valid results, and declare our guy the winner.

In related news, Trump tasked Kansas' Kris Kobach (KKK), to find all those illegal voters. If you recall, he's the moron who claimed he had "100 cases ready to file" in KS, and after 4 years and $4 million, had exactly 9 convictions: most from super-red western Kansas by folks who'd moved across the CO border, and one (count 'em, ONE) illegal. Well, Kris's national task force was disbanded after they found NO fraud, and issued NO report. FOI requests eventually revealed they never turned up a single instance.

#4 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-04-13 11:55 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

"most from super-red western Kansas by folks who'd moved across the CO border, and one (count 'em, ONE) illegal."

I'd forgotten: two of the nine were addled elderly.

#5 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-04-13 12:00 PM | Reply

""the three Cs": Canvassers, Cullers, and Counters"

I'll add a fourth: Cons.

Jack Burkman and Jacob Wohl just agreed to pay a $1 million+ fine for robocalling predominantly black neighborhoods with warnings from "Tamika", voting would lead to "the man" coming after you.

You know...the type of thing that'll suppress more votes that all the fraud cases in the Heritage compendium.

#6 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-04-13 12:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

To back up Danforth let's repeat the underlying numbers of post 1:

*In 2016, North Carolina audited its elections to make sure no one voted improperly. It found that 41 LEGAL immigrants who had not yet become citizens cast ballots. That's out of 4.8 million votes cast. Those illegal votes didn't make a difference in a single election in the state, even the smallest local race, according to the state's election board.

*In 2022, Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, a Republican, conducted an audit of his state's voter rolls specifically looking for noncitizens. His office found that 1,634 had attempted to register, but election officials had caught all the applications and NONE were actually registered to vote.

*The Brennan Center for Justice, a liberal group, surveyed 44 election officials in some of the most populous and immigrant-heavy jurisdictions in the country after 2016, including Arizona, California and Texas. It found only about 30 incidents of a possible noncitizen voting out of 23.5 million votes cast in those places.

In North Carolina there were ZERO illegal immigrants voting - 41 LEGAL immigrants did, but their votes were found and not counted. 1634 attempted to register in Georgia, ZERO were. And 30 incidents of POSSIBLE noncitizens voting were found out of 23.5 MILLION votes cast - .00012% of the vote.

No, America, we don't have a problem with ANY non-registered voters impacting our election results whether they're citizens or immigrants. Trump and Republicans like Speaker Johnson are LYING just like they often do when the truth doesn't serve their MAGA agenda.

#7 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-04-13 12:27 PM | Reply

Where all the Russian Stooge accounts at??

#8 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-04-13 04:26 PM | Reply

"1,634 had attempted to register, but election officials had caught all the applications..."

Okay, this claim doesn't pass the smell test. If they missed one, how would they know unless they proactively proved all others?!?

It reminds me when USAA told me they're "pretty good at security" as I was turning in an embezzler they missed.

#9 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-04-13 05:24 PM | Reply

@#9 ... ... Okay, this claim doesn't pass the smell test. If they missed one, how would they know unless they proactively proved all others?!? ...

Good catch. imo, the wording of that claim could have been better.

That aside I am still waiting for the evidence to substantiate fmr Pres Trump's many claims of voting fraud...

AP FACT CHECK: Trump's claims of vote rigging are all wrong (December 2020)
apnews.com

... Clinging to notions of widespread vote rigging that his own attorney general has disputed, President Donald Trump repeated a litany of baseless assertions Wednesday of political corruption, machine tampering and mysterious votes appearing out of nowhere that allowed Joe Biden to steal the election.

"This election is about great voter fraud, fraud that has never been seen like this before," Trump said in a 46-minute address posted on social media.

"It's about poll watchers who were not allowed to watch. So illegal. It's about ballots that poured in and nobody but a few knew where they came from. ... It's about machinery that was defective, machinery that was stopped."

None of those assertions are true.

A look at the claims and reality: ...



#10 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-13 06:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I am still waiting for the evidence to substantiate fmr Pres Trump's many claims of voting fraud...

He only has one piece of evidence that the election was fraudulent: He didn't win.

#11 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-04-13 06:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#11 ... He didn't win. ...

Something fmr Pres Trump still has yet to concede.

Instead he seems to prefer to gravely divide the Country.

To the point the Country is weakened.

A House Divided Cannot Stand
Matthew 12:22-28
New King James Version
www.biblegateway.com

... 25 But Jesus knew their thoughts, and said to them: "Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation, and every city or house divided against itself will not stand. ...

I wonder what the Evangelical supporters of fmr Pres Trump have to say about that?

#12 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-13 07:30 PM | Reply

so the punk who shags a china spy and can't control his sphincter muscles around a camera weighs in on

election stuff ?

okaaaaayyyyyy

and ooooooooohhhhh noooooooooooooooooooooo

#13 | Posted by shrimptacodan at 2024-04-15 08:55 AM | Reply

so the punk who shags a china spy and can't control his sphincter muscles around a camera weighs in on

#13 | POSTED BY SHRIMPTACODAN

Are you talking about Trump? Sounds like Trump.

#14 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-04-15 11:03 AM | Reply

Are you talking about Trump? Sounds like Trump.

#14 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT

He could be talking about himself/herself/theyself.

#15 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-04-15 11:22 AM | Reply

Here's something Donald "Election Integrity" Trump said just the other day:

"They took advantage of COVID last time. We're not going to let that happen. Because, I'll tell you what, if it's just by the vote, they could cancel that(2024) election. We win that election right now, We have so many more votes than they do, but we have to be very vigilant. We have to be very careful."

Don the Con believes in election integrity so much that he thinks the 2024 election should already be called in his favor, because he has "more votes" in an election that hasn't happened.

#16 | Posted by Derek_Wildstar at 2024-04-15 12:40 PM | Reply

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