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David French: To understand the remarkable moral, political and intellectual collapse of the pro-life movement, look to the Alabama Supreme Court, not just to Donald Trump's recent pledge not to sign a national abortion ban or Kari Lake's flip-flop on Arizona's reinstated 1864 anti-abortion law.

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When the Alabama Supreme Court ruled that I.V.F. embryos were subject to the state's wrongful death statute, it forced the pro-life movement to fully examine the cultural and political implications of its position on unborn children, and pro-life Republicans blinked. They caved, almost instantly, on a core philosophical element of the movement - the incalculable value of every human life no matter how small - and the movement is now standing by or even applauding as Trump is turning the Republican Party into a pro-choice party, one more moderate than the Democrats, but pro-choice still.

While I always respected arguments about the personhood of the baby, I was often frustrated when critics would attribute malign motives to pro-life Americans. But now I'm left wondering how much of the movement was truly real. How much was it really about protecting all human life? And were millions of ostensibly pro-life Americans happy with pro-life laws, only so long as they targeted "them" and imposed no burden at all on "us"?

Philosophically, the movement is breaking. There is no coherent pro-life argument for why a state should prevent women who become pregnant through natural means from destroying an embryo while protecting the ability of families who create an embryo through I.V.F. to either destroy it or keep it frozen indefinitely.

[I]t is probably no coincidence that public support for the pro-life position began a sharp decline after Trump's election. It's hard to argue you're a movement rooted in love when you enthusiastically unite behind a fundamentally hateful man. On Wednesday, Trump reversed his previous position supporting a 20-week ban on abortion; he announced that he would not support a national abortion ban if he wins the presidency, and he said the policy should instead be left up to the states.

Trump's advice to voters was to "follow your heart" and "do what's right for your family, and do what's right for yourself." It's "all about the will of the people," he said. This is the most pro-choice position a Republican presidential candidate has taken since at least Gerald Ford.

I also recognize that many of the critics of the pro-life movement were right all along. When push came to shove, the pro-life position was either secondary to other values or it genuinely was punitively tribal - enthusiastically aimed straight at the supposedly licentious left but ready to be abandoned the instant the commitment to unborn children might endanger the larger MAGA political project. Abortion is the poison pill that Trump doesn't want to swallow.

The older I get, the more I'm convinced that we simply don't know who we are - or what we truly believe - until our values carry a cost. For more than 40 years, the Republican Party has made the case that life begins at conception. Alabama's Supreme Court agreed. Yet the Republican Party can't live with its own philosophy. There is no truly pro-life party in the United States.

#1 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-04-11 09:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

First, read this article, it's free and quite enlightening no matter where you fall on the abortion/IVF issues. To paraphrase his overarching point, he feels to truly be a 'pro-life' supporter one has to believe that life begins at the moment of conception. So both the Alabama ruling about IVF and the Arizona ruling reinstating an 1864 law should find full-throated agreement by everyone claiming to be pro-life. However, that isn't what Trump nor others in the supposed pro-life camps have done. They've all staked new positions far more progressive than supporting the court approved anti-abortion laws.

This is nothing new. But what is new is his willingness to introspectively criticize those of his own ilk for showing that the moment anti-abortion laws might impact individuals they sympathize with, shift to positions which still allow for fetuses to be discriminately terminated. He says he and other true believers are seething at both those they thought were allies and those they already sensed were using the abortion issue to gain political power and demonize groups and people that they didn't like.

On some very salient and revelatory points, he ain't wrong.

#2 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-04-11 09:41 PM | Reply

The "pro-life" movement collapses alongside conservatism generally. There are no longer principles, there are themes and words to react to. There is the need to bully other people, pretty much just because. There are cynical, empty, and often flatly evil people (hello Donald; hello Kari) looking to take power and have money on the back of the moral and intellectual vacuity of their "base".

#3 | Posted by Zed at 2024-04-12 07:47 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I think habitual liars like Trump and Lake are poor examples. Either one of these candidates will say anything necessary to get the job, then do something completely different once they are in the position.

For examples of conservatives practicing this tactic, we don't need to look any further than the last three Justices appointed to the Supreme Court. ..All of them claiming that Roe v Wade was established law. If there really are any pro-choice Republicans, it is likely an anomaly, or they have ulterior motives.

And just so we understand, Trump is not a Republican. Trump only does what he thinks is best for Trump. But he's managed to convince a short sighted and selfish coalition of conservatives that he generally works for their self-serving interests.

#4 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2024-04-12 01:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"All of them claiming that Roe v Wade was established law."

Yet Alito claimed it was "egregiously" wrong "from the start".

I believe it's fair to ask Alito to take America through his epiphany. Exactly where, when, and why did he change positions 180 degrees?

#5 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-04-12 01:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Well, there is still a political party in the US that wants to oppress women, children and minorities. One guess as to which party...

#6 | Posted by catdog at 2024-04-12 02:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I believe it's fair to ask Alito to take America through his epiphany.

You know, I know, and the whole world knows that Alito, Kavanaugh, Gorsuch, and ACB all lied during their confirmation hearings when the subject of Roe being settled law and adherence to stare decisis came up. That is one of the myriad reasons the Dobbs ruling was so egregious. Nothing in the Dobbs case brought up new ground for the resultant ruling to firmly stand upon. Alito had to go back to the Middle Ages in trying to justify the ruling the entire anti-abortion movement has spent decades waiting to hear.

#7 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-04-12 02:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If you aren't a women: shush about abortion.

#8 | Posted by Brennnn at 2024-04-12 02:13 PM | Reply

"truly be a 'pro-life' supporter " There is not such thing- they are tools for a political party. The issue is triggering, yes, but not grounded in reality. In reality women need a choice.

#9 | Posted by Brennnn at 2024-04-12 02:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"They caved, almost instantly, on a core philosophical element of the movement - the incalculable value of every human life no matter how small"

If this were really the core, then they wouldn't support the Death Penalty. Ever.

Even I can support the Death Penalty for Trump. For Treason.

#10 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-12 03:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

[I]t is probably no coincidence that public support for the pro-life position began a sharp decline after Trump's election. It's hard to argue you're a movement rooted in love when you enthusiastically unite behind a fundamentally hateful man. On Wednesday, Trump reversed his previous position supporting a 20-week ban on abortion; he announced that he would not support a national abortion ban if he wins the presidency, and he said the policy should instead be left up to the states.

Trump doesn't have any core beliefs. Only in self-preservation.

He'll flip flop to whatever position someone whispers in his ear.

Trump can't be trusted.

#11 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2024-04-12 04:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Not quite the point of the article, pointing out the lack of moral fortitude on the right to actually stand for the morals they give lip service to, but what a BS title. There was never a "pro-life" party. There was a pro-forced birth party that was also adamantly pro-death when it came to capital punishment, no matter how many were wrongfully convicted, that also cared nothing for the quality of that life after birth.

Though to flip it back - seems to be human nature. I haven't seen too many staunch anti-war or pro-civil liberties democrats since Dubya left office either.

Party not principle in our tribal politics these days.

#12 | Posted by zeropointnrg at 2024-04-12 06:16 PM | Reply

"but what a BS title. There was never a "pro-life" party."

Some people have spent their entire lives not figurung that out.

They are so righteous about the unborn, they'll also ask well if abortion is legal, why should a man have to pay child support for a child he doesn't want.

#13 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-12 06:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

There never was!

#14 | Posted by Ronnie68 at 2024-04-12 09:54 PM | Reply

There never was!

POSTED BY RONNIE68 AT 2024-04-12 09:54 PM | REPLY

Nope. Just a party that wants the return of the Patriarchy that's all.

#15 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-04-12 09:56 PM | Reply

This is no longer a federal issue. It's a state by state issue, the way it was prior to Roe.

#16 | Posted by THEBULL at 2024-04-13 03:01 PM | Reply

"Baby amurder is a state by state issue"

Is reasonable to Deplorables.

Slavery being a state by state issue is next.

#17 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-13 03:03 PM | Reply

Actually, next up is gay marriage, pornography, birth control. Those are already happening. PornHub pulled out of Texas.

#18 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-13 03:05 PM | Reply

There never was a prolife party in the US, only a pack of droolers who believed there was.

#19 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2024-04-13 11:41 PM | Reply

"Deplorables"

This is a dehumanizing term.

Leads to genocide, according to Snoofy.

#20 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-04-13 11:49 PM | Reply

This is no longer a federal issue. It's a state by state issue, the way it was prior to Roe.

#16 | POSTED BY THEBUL

I agree it is, but completely disagree it should be a State issue.

Life is a federal level issue

#21 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-04-13 11:52 PM | Reply

The problem is both sides want it to be a federal level issue, so the issue is never settled. Congress never has enough support either way to make it a federal level law, which is why it's never settled.

The logical path is letting the states decide, because the feelings on the issue vary by region.

I'm pro-choice. I'll happily donate to a charity that travels those from Missouri where abortion is illegal, to Kansas where abortion is legal.

#22 | Posted by CommonCents816 at 2024-04-14 12:01 AM | Reply

@#22 ... which is why it's never settled. ...

It was settled in Roe vs. Wade.


#23 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-14 12:03 AM | Reply

en.wikipedia.org
On Hitler's march to dominate Europe, he enlisted the help of the conservative Catholics, and used them to murder French democracy. No doubt Trump's appointments on the Supreme Corrupt Court are there to help do the same. I have no doubt they will come for contraceptive rights, and then Oregon's Death with Dignity laws.

#24 | Posted by Hughmass at 2024-04-14 06:14 AM | Reply

How much was it really about protecting all human life?

Except for religious zealots, NONE OF IT WAS REAL! Just like most (all?) of these culture wars, it is an attempt to roll back to clock to a time where control was vested only within white males, black people couldn't vote and women were unable to vote and kept pregnant and barefoot in the kitchen.

That, in it's essence, is MAGA.

#25 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2024-04-14 08:20 AM | Reply

Roe v Wade was a court opinion, there was no right granted either way by la.

Congress passes laws, call you congressperson and ask them why nobody is winning at the federal level on this topic ... .

#26 | Posted by CommonCents816 at 2024-04-14 01:33 PM | Reply

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