But yeah, why does it need to be in a school?

#7 | POSTED BY BLUEWAFFLES

Do gay and trans children attend school? Then it is IN the school.

That is pretty basic stuff; I wonder why you don't get that.

I'm asking why a man dressed up as a woman needs to go read stories to children?

#10 | POSTED BY BLUEWAFFLES

Why did Nipsy Russell, Dustin Hoffman, Robin Williams and Eddie Murphy dress up as women and entertain children?

BW will now disappear

Ah Truth, you see this is where choice comes into play. A parent can choose to have their children watch those things. A school mandating that children attend a drag Queen story hour is quite different. So again, why does this need to happen?

#15 | POSTED BY BLUEWAFFLES

Choice? Where is the choice when schools mandate attending heterosexual presenting performers/performances? Why are kids subjected to Romeo and Juliet, yet Romeo and Jack is unacceptable?

Let me explain reality to you.

Gay people exist

Trans people exist

Mandating that they don't exist is immoral, bigoted and doomed to fail.

Because....

Gay people exist.

Trans people exist.

Again, it isn't normal.

Please define normal.

I find any expression of religion as abnormal.

Teen suicide is not normal (yet celebrated in literature).

I find guns as abnormal.

I find violent sports as abnormal.

Yet, they are not banned.

I don't care where you live and how liberal it is. You will get looked at as an abnormality.

I have a friend who is trans. She goes out dresses as a woman. She is not looked at as an abnormality.

And guess what Truth, I could care less what two people do in the privacy of their lives. Shoving it in kids faces? That's where I draw a line.

#22 | POSTED BY BLUEWAFFLES

Yet religion is shoved in my face and my kids faces ALL THE TIME.

Yet teen suicide is shoved in my face and my kids faces ALL THE TIME.

Yet guns are shoved in my face and my kids faces ALL THE TIME.

Police in schools is abhorrent, yet done.

Teaching kids creationism is now allowed in public schools.

Teaching kids trans hate is now permitted in many public schools.

Yet...

gay people exist

trans people exist.

Your hatred, bigotry and ignorance not withstanding.

Ohhh Truth, I can assure you she does. Most likely coming from actual women.

#24 | POSTED BY BLUEWAFFLES

Yet she exists.

Yet she is entitled to life liberty and pursuit of happiness, right?

We can agree on that much, right?

If you can agree on that, please justify that in terms of exclusion from education.

I had not heard of any school mandating it. In fact I thought for the most part it was only in public libraries as an announced event. Feel free to link to where it was mandated, not offered but optional but actually mandated as you said.

#26 | POSTED BY TAOWARRIOR

Maybe an all girl or all boy school putting on a production of shakespeare?

When is a gun shoved in your face Truth? Who is telling you and your kids to commit suicide? Who is shoving religion in your face?

#29 | POSTED BY BLUEWAFFLES

Any interaction with a police officer, as an example.
Attempts to arm teachers, as an example.
Romeo and Juliet, as an example.
RELIGION? LOL that is EVERYWHERE. You can't swing a dead cat without someone thanking god, or praying for this that or the other thing or offering thoughts and prayers and OH YEAH, passing laws or adjudicating based on religion.

So, yeah, you need to learn a thing or two.

You've had guns put in your face when you're pulled over by the cops?

#31 | POSTED BY BLUEWAFFLES AT 2024-03-23 03:20 PM | FLAG:
(CHOOSE)

Please do tell us all this story ... Bc they certainly don't do that with 99% of police interactions ...

#32 | POSTED BY BLUEWAFFLES

You don't understand the inherent power dynamic of an unarmed person having a interaction (often fraught) with an armed individual?

Of course you don't.

You are aware of the many, many, many societies where police don't walk around armed, right?

Certainly not from themselves, but ... there's generally a high correlation between Gay men being raped by men when they're boys ...

#38 | POSTED BY BLUEWAFFLES

Welllll, isn't THAT highly bigoted.

Alex,
"says white cis hetero man who doesn't understand words he uses daily."
I agree with Bell that the "rights" issues for transgendered people are different than gays in general.
Gay people do not have specific needs other than just be left alone.
Transgendered people are demanding physical accommodations that are anywhere from being an annoyance to down right invasive or even dangerous.
#103 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

I am so ------- tired of the hateful bigotry that people seem empowered to express.

Trans people are not predators seeking to attack vulnerable women in their "safe spaces". To claim that is downright despicable and deplorable.

Trans people want to live. Period.

Yet treating people with simple respect is too much for some people. Those people were raised wrong.

But, yeah attack and demonize a virtually powerless marginalized group. I know that makes you feel strong. All it makes you, in reality, is scum.

No one wants to talk about the real issue: the end goal is gender desegregation

#104 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

Liar

See in the real world, we don't use terms like Cis because we know a dude is a dude. Please refer back to my "normalization" post.

#109 | POSTED BY BLUEWAFFLES

Hey blue, the arc of history DOES bend towards justice and not too far in the future your kind will be shunned for this abominable views. You will then claim to always have been a supporter of trans rights, like people like you do for gay rights or black rights 30 years ago.

But, trust me, people like you won't let you forget your vile views. Just ask jeff, we won't forget his support of ------- or his vile views on trans people.

As for the rest of the headline, what are LGBTQ rights?

#112 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

IDK, how about the right to access to the medical care that they, their families and the medical professionals say is appropriate to save their ------- lives?

As an example.

As for the rest of the headline, what are LGBTQ rights?

#112 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

How about the right to be referred to by their chosen name? Or their chosen pronoun?

Truth, no ... I'll stand firm on my view towards not letting men dressed as women participate in reading to children against their will. Thanks.

#116 | POSTED BY BLUEWAFFLES

50 years ago "people" like you said the same thing about gays. Now a days gay families are a staple of successful tv shows (like Modern Family), so no, your ignorance and hatred will be rooted out.

If you could experience shame you would hang your head.

Unfortunately, you were raised wrong.

As for the rest of the headline, what are LGBTQ rights?
#112 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

How about the right to be educated about their experience? You know, knowledge that they need.

As for the rest of the headline, what are LGBTQ rights?
#112 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

How about the right to attend school and not be bullied?

As for the rest of the headline, what are LGBTQ rights?
#112 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Jeff has no empathy, because he is a sociopath.

He doesn't understand what it is like to be a virtually powerless marginalized person.

Nor does he have any interest in learning.

I offered him an opportunity quite recently for him to reflect on his actions.

He refused.

Jeff is scum.

Rofl, good lord Truth ... again my view on this isn't changing. Speaking of insane things you've said on this post. Let's get back to that gun being pointed in your face by the cops. How did that story come about?

#122 | POSTED BY BLUEWAFFLES

You are incapable of understanding.

An armed police force is inherently violent and intrusive.

You get pulled over for running a red light your life is in the hands of someone carrying a gun who...

a. is likely less trained than ideal
b. more likely than the average person to be a domestic abuser
c. subject to protections from being held accountable.
d. carries an incredible amount of power to ---- your life up.

So, umm, yeah, cops carrying guns gets in my face every single time I speak to one. I'm just lucky I'm a middle class white guy, so I can fear a little less.

It's about being polite. You aren't describing a "right" though.

#127 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

You're so ------- stupid is it amazing.

You are aware that states are passing laws preventing public officials, i.e. teachers from using a person's pronouns or a restricting a person's ability to choose what goes on their driver's license.

Kind of the opposite of the 1st amendment btw

" 124 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS AT 2024-03-24 03:03 PM | FLAG: "
All you have is personal attacks because you can't make a rational argument for your positions.

#129 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

And you're a ------- moron who has to ask what LGBTQ rights are at risk.

Cause you're ------- stupid.

3 rational posts pointing out to you the rights that LGBTQ people have to fight for.

then you claim all I have are personal attacks.

IWO you're lying.

Cause you are a lying PoS

Do parents fall into this equation at all? What about deliberate attempts to control fuses pre-pubescent children about their gender when 4 of 5 accept their biological sex post puberty?

#134 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

You're justifying bigotry moron.

Public schools exist to teach ALL students, including the 20-30% who identify as LGBTQ and not cater to bigoted -------- like you.

But, CREATIONISM can be taught in school, no problemo.

Mutilating the genitalia and breasts of minors is NOT a lifesaving medical procedure.

#123 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

You do realize that cis girl minors get breast reduction surgery ALL the time. Why? to improve their health and self-esteem and body image.

But you lack the empathy to extend such kindness to trans kids.

Cause you are a hateful bigot.

And of course you are aware that genitalia mutilation of minors isn't a thing, right?

" But, CREATIONISM can be taught in school, no problemo.
#137 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS AT 2024-03-24 03:13 PM | FLAG: "
Creationism?
Sunday school
Nice straw man though.
You keep being you.
#144 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER AT

None of you are capable of discussing any of this without personal attacks and raw emotion.
It's a clear sign you inherently know some of what you are advotis terrible but you can't admit it and when confronted you go into attack mode. That applies to Twoothy and Yav. It's all you've got.

#146 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

OR

MORE LIKELY

we are tired of your hatred and bigotry.

We are tired of children being harmed by your hatred and bigotry.

We are tired of dealing with the lies you spew that cause harm to people.

Maybe the problem isn't us, but is YOU>

" You are aware that states are passing laws preventing public officials, i.e. teachers from using a person's pronouns or a restricting a person's ability to choose what goes on their driver's license."
Legal documents are legal documents. I have blue eyes. On my drivers license I'm required to disclose that even if my eyes identify as brown.
The laws I've seen regarding teachers and pronouns revolve around l parental consent.
Do you have a problem with gaining parental consent regardling pronouns?

#141 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Yes, legal documents are legal documents and a trans woman who has transitioned is a woman and it should say so on their legal documents.

I'm genuinely curious why you think this person:

Truth, neither men nor women want them in their spaces. That's why they need their own.

#152 | POSTED BY BLUEWAFFLES A

Well conservative/republican politicians are pushing them into little susie's bathroom, so there is that

Rarely do you get to see posts that are so simplistic, yet misogynistic AND misandrist all at once.

Don't you care about the little boys exposed to the horrors of transmen? Why do only little girls deserve the protection?

Oh yeah misogynistic AND misandrist.

Bill, Jeff, Blue are not very good people.

You need to be more specific as there are several liars in this thread. I called YOU a liar over some nonsensical claim about gender desegration. Not sure where men and women are segregated, but that is YOUR idiocy.

"Not sure where men and women are segregated"
Say what? What do you think the gendered labels on bathrooms and changing rooms are for? It's about segregation of men and women.

#164 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

By custom not by law mind you.

Males have no business being in women's safe spaces. You all were rightly offended when Trump bragged about entering teen girl beauty contest changing rooms.
These days such behavior is encouraged.

#171 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Can you please explain why you want these people in little girl's bathrooms?

It really shouldn't be surprising that there is resistance from the population when their cultural norms are uprooted chaotically, which is basically what Republicans trolled Democrats into doing back in 2016.

#173 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

Wrong. I have a friend who is a trans woman. She has been presenting as a woman for nearly 40 years. She has been using women's restrooms that entire time.

Republicans made it an issue in 2016 because, well, they are scum.

My personal opinion is that everyone has a right to privacy. That right to privacy extends to the bathroom. There is zero reason why any bathroom, shower, locker room, dressing room should be accessible to more than one person. I do not want my children to be changing with straight men, straight women, gay men, gay women, bi-sexual men, bi-sexual women, trans men, trans women. They are entitled to that dignity.

Assuming trans people are in the bathroom for nefarious reasons is beyond abhorrent.

That would be ideal but it's not feasible.

#177 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

The republican mantra "nothing can be done" be it climate change, gun violence, or building privacy walls.

We can afford armor proofed doors, bullet proof back packs and cops in every school.

We can't afford plywood to build walls.

175- None of that makes what I wrote wrong. Going to the opposite extreme and turning it into a nationwide free-for-all effectively was a step desegregate all gendered spaces.

#178 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

No one made it a free-for-all. It was working, no problem, life was proceeding nicely... until republican operatives devised a scheme that could enrage the moronic base that grooming teachers and drag queens were coming for their children. All of a sudden, a trans person using a bathroom to take a ---- became the greatest threat to our children since the satanic panic.

Republicans are both stupid AND malicious.

" All of a sudden, a trans person using a bathroom to take a ---- became the greatest threat to our children since the satanic panic."
Revisionist history much???

#184 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER A

Dishonest poster all the time?

Trans people have existed forever.

Trans people were using the bathroom of their chosen gender forever.

Sometime around 2016, people like you, out of the blue, were terrified of groomer teachers, drag queen story hour and trans people.

Never heard boo from the rightwing when Laverne Cox was on OitB, but ALL OF A SUDDEN, we need to Not Say Gay! Groomers were all the rage and trans people (you know the like .1% of the population) were a huge threat to the children-WHO WILL THINK OF THE CIHLDREN!!!!!!!!!!!!

t's fun watching someone like Truthhurts man-splain why women should be all good with males in their safe spaces.

#185 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Care to answer the question I posed in 174?

The response to the Republican stupidity in 2016 was just as stupid, mandating that anyone be allowed to use any gendered space based on their word alone.

#186 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

which is how it's been done for, well forever, yet all of a sudden it's a problem.

I wonder why

You do realize that trans people and their allies are reacting to an attack against them defending their rights. You get that right?

Adult human female.
Wow. That was so difficult.

#191 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Can a person who was not born as a female live as a woman?

What should we call them?

How should we treat them?

Do they have the same rights as the rest of us?

Care to answer the question I posed in #156?

#200 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

I have no idea what you're talking about in 156 as I explained to you in 157

When that poor child Nex Benedict committed suicide, clearly as a result of bullying because she was non-conforming and linked to an article showing a quadruple increase in anti-lgbtq hate crimes in schools in states that pass anti-lgbtq laws, I implored people to rethink their actions, I singled out jeff as a loud proponent of anti-lgbtq laws, to contemplate the effect, the real impact his support has on children. He refused to even consider he was in the wrong.

There is only one logical conclusion to draw.

Republicans are hateful, bigoted scum that do not care about children.

I will even say that if someone could post to legitimate studies, articles, stories of real and actual threats posed by trans people in women's spaces, I would honestly rethink my position on the matter.

But the truth of the matter is that trans women in women's spaces is not the problem. It simply isn't. teachers aren't grooming children by teaching them reality of the human condition. the truth is that lgbtq kids are bulled, ostracized and treated horribly by adults and kids who follow their lead. Those lgbtq kids are suffering, are far more likely to experience violence, homelessness, suicide.

If people can't understand, empathize and try to help, they were raised wrong. there is no question about that.

I have no idea what you're talking about in 156 as I explained to you in 157"
I think it's very straightforward. At what point, if any, does someone not qualify to use a gendered facility that doesn't match their biological sex?

#206 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

People have to qualify to take a ----? I'm sorry I don't understand your question.

I'm a straight cis-male and I have used women's bathrooms on occasion for a variety of situations.

The world is a complicated place.

Of course the world is complicated, and there are always exceptions to rules when circumstances warrant it. But you're dodging the question, as I knew you would. I can understand how you don't want to face the fact that the visceral overreaction to the stupid bathroom bills put Democrats in an untenable position and helped put Trump in the White House.

#209 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

"At what point, if any, does someone not qualify to use a gendered facility that doesn't match their biological sex?"

Again, I honestly don't understand the question. What do you mean, qualify? How does one qualify to use a bathroom? How does someone NOT qualify?
Maybe too many negatives.

If I understand your question. When is someone not allowed to use a bathroom that doesn't match their biological sex? That question gives me a headache.

Not allowed to use a bathroom that doesn't match their biological sex?

Let me try an example.

A trans woman (Assigned male at birth) tries to use a woman's room.

You're asking me, when I think when a transwoman would not be allowed to use a woman's room? Did I parse that correctly?

Are there bathroom police?

Did I get that right?

We talking sociologically? legally? School age? Adults?

World is a complicated place son. You need to be more specific or ask better questions.

"...the visceral overreaction to the stupid bathroom bills..."

Can you explain how defending a marginalized group's basic human rights is a visceral overreaction?

Please stop thinking in terms of the deceitful definitions of left that the right wing propaganda machine expresses.

Hmmmm ... ..as a straight male I've never used a women's bathroom and never even tried to conjure up a reason to do so.

#210 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

One reason, as Paulie Walnuts so eloquently put it "you can eat maple walnut ice cream from the toilets"

"If you read my solution, women who look like men would not be forced to use a woman's bathroom.'

LOL

You're so ------- stupid and misogynist and misandrist and childish it is TOO ------- FUNNY

Quick question for you:

Who is to decide whether a woman looks like a man?
You? Me?

I dare say we would have different definitions.

"I don't think most men would care."

You don't even seem to understand how incredibly ignorant this is. Do YOU care who your children share a bathroom with? I know I do.

No, I'm asking what qualifies as a transwoman. Are there any qualifications, and if so what are they? If not, then it's a free-for-all.

#221 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

Since gender is a societal construct, there would be, literally, billions of interpretations.
Thus and therefore, it is the individual who makes that decision.

You understand that right?

You do understand that we have had a free for all, well since, we climbed out of the trees.

You do understand that until not too long ago, we all shared a common outhouse to do our business in.

back in the days that the holy bible was written, people took a ---- by the side of the road in a pissatoria and shared a brush to wipe their asses with.

Let's start with assuming everyone is entitled to take a ---- in peace and dignity.

Not everyone is privileged as you are to go to a country club with individual bathrooms and changing rooms for its members.

#224 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

Why is that? Why are our precious children forced to change in front of strangers? Share communal showers? Maybe it was the preverts who designed such a system.

You do realize, we choose to do that right?

that we can choose to give our children complete privacy to ---- shower and dress in complete security.

Other countries achieve this oh so elusive goal.

But like gun violence and universal healthcare, the solution is just out of reach.

Better to bully a marginalized group into suicide over delusions of abhorrent behavior.

Truth,
Why my attitude of zero tolerance for women's restrooms?
It's not that I think they're going to be raped.
It's the risk of accidental exposure. (or maybe deliberate by some creeps).
Zero tolerance.
You have junk...stay out.

#222 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

Bill, why is my son less entitled to be exposed to someone else's junk than my daughter?

Sent,
so hold it.
It's their problem, not everyone else's to change the world for them.
If they can't enter a male restroom because it offends their pride or their prickly self esteem requires everyone cater to them, well...that's life.
#227 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

My trans friend lived 40 years without a single negative experience using a bathroom of her chosen gender.

Now in some states she would be forced to use a men's room.

You cannot justify that.

Bill, why is my son less entitled to NOT be exposed to someone else's junk than my daughter?

#228 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS AT

Man that not changes things!

I distinctly remember a young Truthhurts, at an impressionable age, going to the local YMCA to participate in local kiddie basketball. He had to dress before practice in a locker room with adults. He was required to shower afterwards in a communal shower.

Why was young truthhurts forced to be undressed and shower with adult male strangers? It bothered me then, it bothers me now. Even at a young tender age I thought it quite odd. Yet,.. it was expected to be done without complaint. that to complain about having to shower with naked strangers was somehow normal.

I am still recovering from being raised catholic.

So you are in favor of a free-for-all. Why didn't you just say so in the first place?

#231 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

We have a free-for-all now, as you define it, we have had a free-for-all for ages, as you define it.

Why is it suddenly a problem?

was somehow abnormal.

And yet, you're putting your friend who presented as a woman for 40+ years in the same category as someone who decides they're going to temporarily identify as a woman but not make any effort to present as one.

#236 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

And yet, she is being lumped with them.

Collateral damage I suppose to the uncaring.

Are you righties really this ignorant?

#237 | POSTED BY YAV

Either ignorant or malicious, you be the judge.

Just when you forget how abhorrent some posters are they come along and remind you

#256. Was that directed at Sentinel?

#257 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

That was directed at sentinel for using a homophobic slur.

Don't worry jeff I never forget how abhorrent you are.

And I am absolutely positive you don't know the difference between insulting someone as a theoretical rapist and calling someone the "f" word.

Someone who doesn't understand gay pride simply wouldn't get it.

If what Sentinel posted was Spanish, ----- translates to bassoon.

#263 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Not even YOU are that stupid.

But then again, I shouldn't put it past you to defend a homophobic bigot.

You ever wonder why people think you're a lying, deceitful, piece of ---- jeff?

Hey everyone! Come look, point and laugh at the lying pos defend a homophobic bigot!!

Twoothy,
His post clearly wasn't English. I provided the first translation that popped up, which was Spanish - English. Bassoon is a musical instrument, not a slur. Just take the "L". You are looking incredibly foolish at the moment. Unless that sentence has a translation other than Spanish. French? Portuguese?

#274 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Hey, look! The DR's most renowned lying piece of ---- is defending a homophobic bigoted slur.

No one is buying that it isn't sentinel's intent. Especially when he has attacked clownshack for years with racist slurs and the same homophobic slur.

So, ---- off, you lying dirtbag.

But you keep thinking you're being clever defending the obvious obfuscation.

You're a piece of ----. Sentinel is a piece of ----.

I think you and sentinel are ------- -----.

that is how I really feel, loser.