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Jim Young, Guest Columnist: Following the 2020 election, I admit to having stuck my head in the sand as a citizen. I didn't want to pay much attention to all the ridiculous haranguing about stolen elections and other crazy political rhetoric.

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[R]ecently, for some reason, I purchased and downloaded a book by Liz Cheney titled "Oath and Honor, a Memoir and a Warning." This book was published in late 2023, and it details Mrs. Cheney's involvement as a senior leader behind the investigation of the Jan. 6 assault on the Capitol. It is extremely detailed and very well organized. Liz goes to great pains to be objective, factual and fair in her description of how the committee was formed and how it operated for about 18 months from June 2021 to December 2022.

I was very surprised and proud of myself having read the entire book! More surprising is what an impact it has had on my thinking about Trump's role in the whole process of attempting to overturn the results of the election and the incitement of the Jan. 6 mob attack on the Capitol. I even went further after finishing Liz's book. I was inspired to read the entire Executive Summary of the official finding of the Jan. 6 Select Committee, which is about 100 pages of a pdf document not including about 800 footnotes! Finally, I have read the actual indictment filed by the Justice Department against Mr. Trump. All three documents, the book, the findings and the indictment are very clear, well documented and all tell a very consistent story.

#1 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-03-06 06:23 PM | Reply

More from the cited article...

... I voted for Donald Trump -- twice. I am a staunch, almost redneck conservative, registered Republican, Oklahoman and American.

I believe in limited government, free enterprise and traditional Christian values.

I believe that government should stay out of the personal lives of women and others who want to live alternative lifestyles, whatever that means.

I believe in personal responsibility and that government should help those who can't help themselves. ...



#2 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-03-06 06:24 PM | Reply

For starters...

Fmr Pres Trump does not want limited government. He wants an active government, active in pursuing those who do not express unfettered adulation of him.


#3 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-03-06 06:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Also from the cited article...

... My heroes are Ronald Reagan ...

There's this...

Trump's Triumph Writes an Epitaph for Reagan Republican Party
www.bnnbloomberg.ca

... Donald Trump's sweep through the primaries Tuesday erases any lingering doubt that a Republican Party long-defined by allegiance to Ronald Reagan's world view has been transformed into a party singularly dominated by Trump's. ...

#4 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-03-06 06:31 PM | Reply

Yes, this author is not a Democrat by any stretch of the imagination, and yet he has come to the following conclusions:

This frightful story has not ended. Donald Trump is the apparent leading contender to be the Republican nominee for president in 2024. He has somehow convinced millions of Americans that he is a victim of political persecution by his opponents.

After reading Liz Cheney's book, the committee findings and the DOJ indictment, I do not understand how Donald Trump can possibly be considered as a legitimate candidate for the most important job in the world. Frankly, I don't understand how he is not in jail right now.

#5 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-03-06 06:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

@#5 ... Yes, this author is not a Democrat by any stretch of the imagination ...

Agreed.

... yet he has come to the following conclusions: ...

I do not question the conclusions he came to.

I merely acknowledge that fmr Pres Trump now seems to hold the Republican Party more as a cult than a political party.

Fmr Pres Trump expects unfettered adulation, and if you do not provide that you are subject to possible threats of violence by his gang.

Yeah, that's someone I want to vote for...


#6 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-03-06 08:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Democrat warmth towards Liz Cheney seriously grosses me out.

I've been independent since about 2010, once Obama proved little more than Bush III in any of the issues I cared about (Patriot Act, NSA domestic spying, secret FISA courts with gag orders, illegal wars and nation building, rescuing banks and Wall St while letting Main St lose their homes, starting off the healthcare debate with "single payer is off the table, etc) so I gave Trump a little more chance than the more partisan democrats would have.

Rather than the visceral hate so much of the left felt for him, I mostly found him to be precisely what I expected. Bumbling, not highly competent, achieved a couple good things, screwed up the SCOTUS worse than I imagined - biggest thing I didn't expect was the cult of personality he formed among republicans. I really expected they'd all distance themselves from him, not want any part of the ship going down, and it would turn into 4 years of him just not getting anything done and the nation would carry on. Wow. Was I wrong. Seriously. Wow.

But there was one thing I LOVED to see. Starting with Jeb - and that was him just driving out and making the old guard neocons, the mass murdering warmongers of the Bush / Cheney era absolutely irrelevant.

If you judge presidential success in part by the disgustingly low bar of how little they take part in the great American tradition of - as Carlin put it - bombing brown people, or how many new laws they make like the Patriot Act to eviscerate our Bill of Rights, Trump was oddly successful, a step in the right direction finally. Objectively, in terms of damage to the world, I'd call him a far better president than Bush. Take it for what you will. I was Army when Bush was president, and people I loved and served with never came back. From the wrong goddamn country, at that. I'd put the noose around his neck for war crimes myself if I could, so I'm willing to admit I may not be the wholly rational one there lol.

So of course, Liz, who 100% willingly carries on the sins of her father, hates Trump. But it utterly boggles my mind to see Democrats praise her as one of the last sane or honest republicans. Trump is just an unintelligent narcissist doing precisely what they do. She's pure calculating evil, the type willing to commit genocide so long as it keeps the family business rolling in cash.

#7 | Posted by zeropointnrg at 2024-03-07 10:18 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

FYI: The author of this op ed is a lifelong Republican, not a Democrat.

#8 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-03-07 11:09 AM | Reply

I read it. But it will get passed around among dems, not many republicans. I just think the common "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" thing dems seem to have with Liz is disconcerting. To say the least.

#9 | Posted by zeropointnrg at 2024-03-07 11:15 AM | Reply

"I believe that government should stay out of the personal lives of women and others who want to live alternative lifestyles, whatever that means."

^
Then why did you keep voting Republican

Republicans just aren't very smart.

That's Kryptonite to having a rational conversation with them.

Ignorance Is Strength

#10 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-07 11:19 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

so I'm willing to admit I may not be the wholly rational one there lol.
#7 | POSTED BY ZEROPOINTNRG

Yeah, you're damaged goods. Giving off those "I didn't leave the Democrats, Democrats left me" vibes. Those guys (it's always guys) usually have female trouble too. Just sayin'.

Here's an easy way to tell, name some women you admire and mommy doesn't count.

#11 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-07 11:36 AM | Reply

"Mommy's" been dead a long time, and no, democrats didn't "leave" me, I just got tired of republican lite bs. Offer me someone with real anti-war convictions who's willing to stand up to corporations, break up monopolies and oligopolies, and start fighting for single payer and better opportunities in higher education (like increasing public education to at least k-14 or a trade to rival European states in the global market) rather than just half-assing it by paying off some people's student loans, ahem, or why are you wasting my time? And yeah. I might vote Republican until they get it right. Because I've watched 20 years of pitiful "progress" and my patience is running out.

Oh, Sabine Hosenfelder is the first to come to mind.

#12 | Posted by zeropointnrg at 2024-03-07 12:25 PM | Reply

Are people so desperate to hear what they want they'll listen to what someone says even if the first words are "I voted for Donald Trump...twice"??

What on earth could possibly come out of their mouth you could place any credibility upon?

#13 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-07 12:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Eberly, the expert on credibility.

Thanks for the laugh, it's been a long week!

#14 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-07 12:36 PM | Reply

"it's been a long week!"

for you....

#15 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-07 12:37 PM | Reply

"Offer me someone with real anti-war convictions who's willing to stand up to corporations"

And you didn't figure out this wasn't in the cards when you were literally a soldier in a war that Hillary Clinton voted for?
I just want to make sure I'm reading this right.

It always amazes me when "independents" who are disgusted with "both sides" show up at the watering hole where adherents to both parties hang out.
Like, why are you here? You are like a SWAT team the wrong address who can't acknowledge they might be mistaken.

#16 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-07 12:40 PM | Reply

"it's been a long week!"
for you....
#15 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Yes, I didn't forget about Monday by drinking all day Tuesday like you do.

#17 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-07 12:41 PM | Reply

calling me a drunk....you wonder why I ignore you most of the time?

#18 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-07 12:46 PM | Reply

"better opportunities in higher education"

Student loans are plentiful. I should know I have four of them! And for you, there's the G.I. Bill, which is literally free money.

"And yeah. I might vote Republican until they get it right. Because I've watched 20 years of pitiful "progress" and my patience is running out."

Congratulations, you Self-Radicalized On The Internet.

Imagine how stupid you'd have to be to think the part that voted to repeal Obamacare 64 times is going to be the one that's better on health care!

#19 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-07 12:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

calling me a drunk....you wonder why I ignore you most of the time?
#18 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Actually, Eberly:
You can't ignore me.
No more than you can ignore your own problems by drinking them away.
I mean, it works. But only for a few hours.

#20 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-07 12:48 PM | Reply

Are people so desperate to hear what they want they'll listen to what someone says even if the first words are "I voted for Donald Trump...twice"??

He's obviously not real dedicated Deplorable.

He was actually able to read an entire book all the way through and even understand it. And then he was inspired by his reading to learn even more about the subject on his own. Rather than let himself be spoon fed by "fixed news" he took it upon himself to find the facts out for himself.

So obviously he can no longer be a part of Trumpy's uneducated base.

#21 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-03-07 02:46 PM | Reply

It's as if there is a such a thing as political Catholicism.

Sin your whole life...over and over...same sin....but if you truly confess and repent.....you're forgiven.

#22 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-07 02:53 PM | Reply

-He was actually able to read an entire book all the way through and even understand it.

But you were convinced one couldn't be literate and be a Trumper.

You were wrong.

#23 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-07 02:55 PM | Reply

But you were convinced one couldn't be literate and be a Trumper.

You were wrong.

#23 | POSTED BY EBERLY

But was I wrong? You are trying too hard to swing that purse at me Beverly.

It's looks pretty simple to me. He took the time to get himself educated on the subject and now he can't be a Trumper.

Makes perfect sense to me.

#24 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-03-07 03:02 PM | Reply

-But was I wrong? You are trying too hard to swing that purse at me Beverly.

you're the one calling me a woman as an insult.

THAT is the purse swinging if there is any.

But the drama aside.....you are wrong.

Unless you're going to argue you believed there were any intelligent and literate people in the Trump camp.

did you?

#25 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-07 03:07 PM | Reply

"I admit to having stuck my head in the sand as a citizen. I didn't want to pay much attention to all the ridiculous haranguing about stolen elections and other crazy political rhetoric."

Head in the sand is not the right term for this, when all the crazy rhetoric is from your own party.
Pretending your s*** don't stink is the right term for this.
Whistling past the graveyard is another.

Laughing all the way to the bank is a closely allied reason:
"I am proud to have been a banker to the oil and gas industry, the lifeblood of our state, but I am not a climate denier."

This guy is merely a political opportunist. A Republican for business reasons.
That's the part of him that Eberly feels called upon to defend.

#26 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-07 03:27 PM | Reply

"Unless you're going to argue you believed there were any intelligent and literate people in the Trump camp."

First of all your argument that I was convinced of anything blah blah blah is a strawman.

I am only going on what Trumpy himself says. He loves the uneducated. Because they don't question his "truth". They don't have the ability to. And the polls show this to be true.

Of course there is intelligent literate peoples in the Trumpy camp. At the top. And they all knew better. They made a plan. And executed the plan. That's why there is a RICO case that many of them edumacated lawyers (who should have known better) have already pled guilty to.

And now the "literate" ones are facing criminal charges.

The ones that don't know better and who appear to be illiterate are at the bottom being spoon fed by fixed news. And they are all probably literate (as in they can read books but refuse to) they refuse use that ability to find out the truth for themselves. So thousands of them got conned into committing crimes too.

So mostly they are being willfully ignorant. Because apparently they don't want to know the actual truth. They love Trumpy's "truth". It makes them feel like they are part of something.

Bigger than their own crappy lives apparently.

#27 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-03-07 03:41 PM | Reply

It is nice to see someone who is not already a member of the choir read an intelligent book such as this and in the process become persuaded that the position and viewpoint they held earlier was wry. The problem with America today is that there are painfully few Trumpers willing to read an honest truthful account of how Trump attempted to subvert our democracy all for personal gain. Mentally, Trumpers such as those who post on the Nooner, curl up into a figurative fetal position when confronted by the truth of Trump's crimes.

#28 | Posted by moder8 at 2024-03-07 08:41 PM | Reply

Democrat warmth towards Liz Cheney seriously grosses me out.
#7 | POSTED BY ZEROPOINTNRG

This isn't democrats warming to Cheney. This is Cheney acknowledging reality, something very few republicans do these days.
Question for you. What do you think happens if Trump, a person who has already attempted to overthrow the Constitution and who's legal team is currently preparing to argue to the "screwed up" SCOTUS that the President has the authority to murder his opposition, is returned to office?

#29 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2024-03-08 09:24 AM | Reply

"After reading Liz Cheney's book, the committee findings and the DOJ indictment, I do not understand how Donald Trump can possibly be considered as a legitimate candidate for the most important job in the world. Frankly, I don't understand how he is not in jail right now."

The answer is: moderate biden selected a coward as attorney general.

#30 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-03-08 12:48 PM | Reply

you're the one calling me a woman as an insult.

#25 | Posted by eberly

jesus christ you've done that exact thing to me dozens of times. Always when you're losing an argument.

#31 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-03-08 12:48 PM | Reply

@#9 ... I just think the common "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" thing dems seem to have with Liz is disconcerting. To say the least. ...

That is a mischaracterization of what has occurred.

Fmr Rep Cheney was not an enemy of the Republicans. She put politics aside and fought at a higher level, she fought for what is good for the Country. I am surprised that Republicans somehow think that is being an enemy of them.

That is why I respected her actions regarding January 6, even though I strongly disagree with her political views.

George Washington's Farewell Address (1796)
constitutioncenter.org

...
But the Constitution which at any time exists, till changed by an explicit and authentic act of the whole people, is sacredly obligatory upon all. The very idea of the power and the right of the people to establish government presupposes the duty of every individual to obey the established government.

All obstructions to the execution of the laws, all combinations and associations, under whatever plausible character, with the real design to direct, control, counteract, or awe the regular deliberation and action of the constituted authorities, are destructive of this fundamental principle, and of fatal tendency.

They serve to organize faction, to give it an artificial and extraordinary force; to put, in the place of the delegated will of the nation the will of a party, often a small but artful and enterprising minority of the community; and, according to the alternate triumphs of different parties, to make the public administration the mirror of the ill-concerted and incongruous projects of faction, rather than the organ of consistent and wholesome plans digested by common counsels and modified by mutual interests.
...

[emphasis mine]

Even fmr Pres George Washington had a concern, and warned about, political parties ("faction") working to put itself above the good of the Country.


#32 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-03-08 01:04 PM | Reply

You can't beat the left for being shallow. Since Liz Cheney turned on Trump because he is an anti war president when she's a war monger the left embraces her as one of their own even though the called her the devil and the offspring of satan himself. Just like John Bolton. If Taylor Greene turned on Trump they would want her as Biden's Sec of State.

#33 | Posted by fishpaw at 2024-03-08 02:37 PM | Reply

Liz Cheney turned on Trump because he is an anti war president

Thanks for constantly reminding us all how utterly stupid you are.

No wonder you're a Trump voter.

#34 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-03-08 02:43 PM | Reply

- he is an anti war president

Any President who fondles Vlad and Xi and Kim's family jewels that often and well; lets them invade whomever they want, buy off whomever else they want, and takes billions of dollars from them for his Media company, and himself... will also be called an anti war President by complete idiots.

#35 | Posted by Corky at 2024-03-08 02:47 PM | Reply

You can't beat the left for being shallow. Since Liz Cheney turned on Trump because he is an anti war president when she's a war monger the left embraces her as one of their own even though the called her the devil and the offspring of satan himself. Just like John Bolton. If Taylor Greene turned on Trump they would want her as Biden's Sec of State.

#33 | Posted by fishpaw

Give an example of the left embracing cheney besides being thrilled to discover there is at least ONE republican who rejects trump's lies.

Just like John Bolton. The left isn't trying to put him into power. Trump picked Bolton, Bolton worked closely with trump and concluded he shouldnt be trusted.

So is trump so stupid that he picks horrible people to work for him, or does he pick good people who then realize he shouldnt be president?

#36 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-03-08 02:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#33 | Posted by fishpaw

You support a rapist who stole national security secrets and tried to overthrow the US Constitution. I hope you crash your car into a dynamite storage facility.

#37 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2024-03-08 05:50 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

@#37 ... who stole national security secrets ...

August 18, 2016 - In my Administration, I am going to enforce all laws concerning the protection of classified information. No one will be above the law.
(
www.politico.com )

September 6, 2016 - ...one of the first things we must do is to enforce all classification rules, and enforce all laws relating to the handling of classified information..
( thehill.com )

#38 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-03-08 05:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I hope you crash your car into a dynamite storage facility.
#37 | POSTED BY JOHNNY_HOTSAUCE

Not sure why, but Yosemite Sam popped into my mind when I read that.

#39 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-03-08 06:17 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Since Liz Cheney turned on Trump because he is an anti war president ... "

Yeah. That's exactly why Liz turned on Trumpy.

What a maroon.

...

"If Taylor Greene turned on Trump ... "

No worries mate. The sun will explode first before that Trump Tramp ever turns on Trumpy.

#40 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-03-08 06:18 PM | Reply

" Not sure why, but Yosemite Sam popped into my mind when I read that.

#39 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2024-03-08 06:17 PM | FLAG: "

I loved it when Buggs Bunny would throw a lit match near explosives and Sam would refuse to put it out and he'd get all nervous and would try to take his mind off it busting out a yo-yo and then playing Jacks.

#41 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-03-08 06:48 PM | Reply

" This isn't democrats warming to Cheney"

That's exactly what it is. Democrats have loved her once she went full-bore anti Trump.

#42 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-03-09 11:52 AM | Reply

Democrats have loved her once she went full-bore anti Trump.

#42 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Seems like a very good reason for loving someone.

But let me correct you---

Cheney went full-bore Democracy.

Why don't you spit on that?

#43 | Posted by Zed at 2024-03-09 11:58 AM | Reply

@#42 ... she went full-bore anti Trump. ...

She went pro-Constitution, not anti-Trump.


#44 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-03-09 11:59 AM | Reply

---- Liz Cheney for not issuing a subpoena to Ginni Thomas. That grotesquerie was fully involved in dotard's insurrection.

#45 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2024-03-09 12:11 PM | Reply

Democrats have loved her once she went full-bore anti Trump.

POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Democrats love the truth and anyone who tells it. As long as she keeps being honest and telling the truth (and not just what we want to hear) we will still appreciate her. As soon as she stops being honest we won't.

Republicans do love their lies and the lying liars who tell them.

#46 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-03-09 12:18 PM | Reply

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