"There's information Netanyahu knew about the attack, knew the location of the munitions, and funds Hamas."

Yeah. And George Bush knew about 9/11. The Jews told him, since they were the ones who instigated it. Bush actually supported the Jewish attack on the US by providing them with a CALCM cruise missile. It wasn't a jet that hit the pentagon, it was a cruise missile. The jet actually landed safely in an unclosed location. The passengers were Jews who were in on the whole thing.

Why do this, you might ask? So that GWB had a pre-text to invade Afghanistan and steal it's resources.

"Why are you pretending the conflict between Israel and Palestine started on Oct 7th?"

October 7th was really when HAMAS overtly demonstrated they were nothing more than a terrorist organization. Before that, I thought they had at least some first-world concerns. But nope. Just ISIS V2.0.

But, I'm sure that the HAMAS leaders are happily collecting the billions pouring in in donations from the "river to the sea crowd." Maybe daddy can get a new Rolls Royce.

ISIS was trash, but at least those terrorists fought alongside the people they sent to die. HAMAS leadership watches from Dubai and Doha.

"They could announce sanctions on the Israeli economy, combined with a Complete End to all financial and military aid until the West Bank is cleared of all new settlements."

They did clear all the settlements out of Gaza.

How did that work out for them?

"We should be leading the charge, declaring a no-fly zone over Gaza, cutting all aid to Israel, preparing to send in UN peacekeepers."

So...instead of Israel dropping bombs in support of Israeli ground forces, it would be someone else dropping bombs in support of UN Peacekeepers?

Kinda like Bosnia and some of the other previous Yugoslav states in the 1990s?

I mean, the US seems to be better at reducing civilian casualties when bombing urban areas. Raqqa was 80% destroyed in an effort to dislodge the Islamic State, yet Amnesty International estimates only 1,600 civilian casualties during that campaign.

"Israel doesn't get another penny of aid until they either withdraw to the Green Line and recognize Palestine as a state or they come up with a plan to transform into a singular secular state with full citizenship rights for Palestinians, right of return for any Palestinians who have left since 1949, and an end to the current religion-based right of return."

That's reasonable, but it's not something the Israeli's can declare by decree. It must be something that Palestinians would need to accept as well. And what you're describing would be an end to any aspiration to create an Islamic State. That alone would be a non-starter for HAMAS.

"Israel has behaved in a truly savage and criminal way toward the people of Gaza for decades."

Maybe it something to do with the 19,000 rocket and mortar attacks between 2001 and 2015. Of course it's been more since then, but I only have numbers through 2015.

"The numbers from 1948 tell the same story."

Was Egypt, Syria, Iraq, and Jordan invading Israel the first wrong?

"Two wrongs haven't been making a right, for 75 years now."

What was the first wrong? What was the second?

"Why are we siding with this?"

Why did we side with the opponents of the Islamic State. In some cases, alongside Iran, Syria, and Russia?

"Europeans, including Jewish Europeans, making the Jewish Homeland be Egypt, Syria, Iraq, and Jordan's problem, instead of Europe's problem, happened before that."

How was in Egypt, Syria, Iraq, and Jordan's problem?

They made it their problem when they chose to attack Israel, and Israel wiped the floor with them.

Had Israel's Arab neighbors elected not to attack Israel, how do you think the map would look today? Most of the captured territories were the result of these other countries invading?

Israel, BTW, has returned the vast majority of territory it captured over the years. At one point, Israel was almost twice the size it is now.

"I think it's more about power and generations of learned hatred."

There is definitely that. HAMAS's leaders are billionaires living in Doha and Dubai. They're far better off today than they would have been if they were still herding sheep in a dust bowl.

"There is 51 Islamic states that refuse to allow Jews or Christians to live peacefully inside their countries."

It's limited to just Jews and Christians?

I'm pretty sure these states don't allow any non-Muslims to live peacefully. Jew, Christian, or otherwise.

"That's an effect of militant Zionism, not a cause."

No, -------, that's actually the cause of militant Zionism. The fact that many Muslim nations extirpated the Jewish populations in much the same way Hitler did.

---- dude, Hitler's primary claim as to why the final solution needed to be carried out was that the Jews had taken too much from the people of Europe. Had too much money and too much power. An argument not very different from the Arab states.

"How can I hold Israel to a higher standard than Hamas?"

You shouldn't. There is clearly very little difference between Israel and the Islamic State.

Surely everyone sees that?

It's like you go out of your way to be stupid.

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And it makes no sense. Not really. I can think of two times in the past 35 years where the US instigated a conflict, rather than enter into a conflict that was already underway. The first was Panama for Op Just Cause in 1989. The second was Iraqi Freedom in 2003.

Robson sounds like a perpetual victim...always being screwed by someone. I can't tell if Robson is far-right or far-left. I don't think there is much difference either way.

But I am curious why the foreign countries and corrupt Dems decided not to screw me.