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Tuesday, January 30, 2024

There's a glimmer of hope if you're looking for last-ditch strategies to save your child from the halls of stupidity.

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Wonder if this was created by an AI (snark). It's long been known that hand writing notes goes a long way toward retention and learning. I am actually glad in a way we have Identified that it is far better than typing too (at least in this small study).

I thought it was idiotic that they quit teaching cursive in many schools.

#1 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2024-01-30 10:48 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

Makes sense, really.

I write right handed, but with my wrist curled like a leftie. My mom said she thought I was really a lefty, but the grade school teachers in TX made me write with my right.

Of course, when kid's brains are connected to their phones by Bluetooth, that'll be another story.

#2 | Posted by Corky at 2024-01-30 11:20 AM | Reply

Having to do Cursive handwriting made me disillusioned with the education system, does that count as smarter?

#3 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-01-30 04:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

While I learned cursive, after all, I'm 76-years old, I never really used it all that much, certainly not after starting engineering school where I learned that it was critical that what you wrote was unambiguous and so I started to print everything, and that has stuck to this day. The only thing that I ever write, using cursive, is my signature. Everything else, if I need to write it out, is by printing it, using block letters. Granted, that does make it a bit hard when it comes capitalization and such, but at least it's more readable then would be my cursive. BTW, my signature is unreadable, but it is recognizable, which is all a signature needs to be.

That being said, there's probably another reason why my cursive was so poor. You see, I learned TWO different methods of, what we called back then, penmanship. I went to a Catholic school through the third grade, where we were taught the 'Palmer method' of writing. But during the summer between my third and fourth grade, we moved from the city to a small town in Northern Michigan where I attended public school. We had a Catholic church but no school as the town was too small (when I was in the eighth grade, there were only six students in my class). Anyway, they taught a different method of penmanship, that had significant differences. While no one ever mentioned it at the time, I've since learned that this new penmanship method was called the Zaner-Bloser Method. Anyway, having to live through that change resulted in me having, what the teachers called 'poor penmanship'. Needless to say, I never got good grades in penmanship ever again, and this is partly what motivated me moving to using printing, or what is officially referred to as the 'manuscript style' of 'writing', that is the use of individual letters which are not connected. And then when I started in engineering school and then working summers as a draftsman, what with having to produce engineering drawings and specifications using block letters, I abandoned any form of cursive altogether, except for my aforementioned signature.

Anyway, that's my history with respect to the use of cursive.

OCU

#4 | Posted by OCUser at 2024-01-31 12:52 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

after starting engineering school where I learned that it was critical that what you wrote was unambiguous and so I started to print everything

I was kinda surprised that one of the first thing we got into in engineering school was printing. With a pencil. And not smudging the paper.

#5 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-01-31 01:45 AM | Reply

I am 77, and my cursive writing looks as if my eyes are closed and I'm sneezing when I am writing using cursive.

#6 | Posted by john47 at 2024-01-31 11:25 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

#4 | Posted by OCUser

You have over 20 years on me but I learned it too. Yes when I took drafting I moved to all printing. When I hit college, as an engineering student, more printing. I still only print as well in caps. It was hell and still is because I am a leftie. What's funny is I only learned one way and never had good penmanship. Probably because I am a leftie... When I am in a hurry and going to scribble something I write in cursive occasionally. Being able to read it is a big deal I find.

Where abouts in Northern Michigan, if you don't mind sharing?

#7 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2024-01-31 11:35 AM | Reply

#5 | Posted by REDIAL

Try that not smudging as a leftie... Ye gads!

#8 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2024-01-31 11:36 AM | Reply

Absolutely idiotic.

As I've said for years, if it's worth writing down it's worth NOT writing on paper.

There was so much I never learned in school because until halfway through high school I didn't have a laptop to take notes on, I was forced to copy garbage from the board. I wasted so much effort (and had so much pain in my hands) writing on paper that I had no idea what the material supposedly being taught actually was, because it was just painful squiggles on paper. The only classes I learned from were those where I wasn't graded on note copying, the ones where I could sit back and enjoy the lecture.

College was great, I could type a few keywords, enough to remember the lecture.

Teach the kids to type. Give them laptops. And NEVER, EVER, EVER TEACH THEM TO WRITE IN CURSIVE. It's fine to teach them to read it, but they should not be able to write it.

#9 | Posted by DarkVader at 2024-01-31 12:46 PM | Reply

Where abouts in Northern Michigan, if you don't mind sharing?

#7 | Posted by GalaxiePete

Lewiston, a small town about 30 miles Northeast of Grayling and about the same distance Southeast of Gaylord. I went to college in Houghton, and after graduation, worked in Saginaw until we moved to SoCal in 1980.

OCU

#10 | Posted by OCUser at 2024-01-31 12:58 PM | Reply

" It was hell and still is because I am a leftie. What's funny is I only learned one way and never had good penmanship"

Being a lefty sucks when it comes to writing. Almost impossible not to smudge.

#11 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-01-31 01:02 PM | Reply

"Kathy", I said as we boarded a Greyhound in Pittsburgh
"Michigan seems like a dream to me now"
It took me four days to hitchhike from Saginaw
I've gone to look for America

#12 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-01-31 01:34 PM | Reply

#10 | Posted by OCUser

Smallish world, my Best friend from High School's family was from Jo-burg/Lewiston. He lives in between now off Old State Rd. I spent a lot of time there with him and over in Mio/Rose City (primarily on Island lake) in the summers. One of my other friends post college is from Atlanta, trying to sell the family home at the moment (he moved to Denver years ago).

#13 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2024-01-31 02:12 PM | Reply

#10 | Posted by OCUser

And I grew up near Saginaw. Left and I am back... It is a shadow of what it was in 1980. A lot of good reasons to get out at that time...

#14 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2024-01-31 02:14 PM | Reply

Almost impossible not to smudge.

#11 | Posted by BellRinger

Agreed and when you have an ---- retentive instructor grading your prints... Ugh. Should have been on a sliding scale for lefties.

#15 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2024-01-31 02:15 PM | Reply

I went to high school in Atlanta. Now, the Lewiston kids go to Jo-burg. My sister's class was the first to graduate from Jo-burg after the switch.

Both my wife and I still have cousins living in Lewiston and we'll be back there later this summer for one of my cousin's funeral (they don't bury people there in the winter time). As is often the case, this will be a sort of family reunion. I've also got a couple of brothers and a sister living in Michigan, and my wife's sister lives there as well.

OCU

#16 | Posted by OCUser at 2024-01-31 02:46 PM | Reply

Many things could make your kid smarter. Learning music. Learning cursive. Learning another language. It's about brain development.

But republicans don't want us to have developed brains. They just want us to learn how to do a task/job so we can make money for them, but not know anything so we'll vote for fascists.

#17 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-02-01 01:19 PM | Reply

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