"There is profound confusion on campus right now around the distinctions among free speech, civil disobedience and lawlessness."

The cops don't seem confused.
They'll arrest anyone for "All of the above."

"It would help if college presidents were inspirational leaders that students could admire instead of managers or administrators."

Yeah the leaders seem pretty detached from student life and student expectations.

"I don't recall seeing those protests call for genocide."

Pretty sure that by today's standards,
"Victory to ANC and SWAPO"
Is a call for Genocide.

"We believe that the group that broke into and occupied the building is led by individuals who are not affiliated with the University," it said.

Crisis Actors?

"who were they?"

Surely their names are a matter of public record...

Occam's Razor suggests people who believe it's important to maintain the narrative that there's something rotten on college campuses.

"Time to recognize that, at least in some places, these are not your grandfather's protests."

That's a two way street.

Meaning, time to recognize it isn't your grandfather's news media reporting on protests either.

"Overwhelming majority of the protesters are unaffiliated with our community"

Never let a crisis go to waste!

Unless this was coordinated in the dark like Oct 7, there is evidence of how this came to pass.

Where in the constitution does it say you have to be "affiliated with the college" to use your first amendment rights?

Right next to where it says false flag operations are not allowed?

Yes, the internet didn't exist. No social media. Etc.
#45 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

Not just that.

The news wasn't as commericalized and commoditized and sensational when film from Vietnam was weeks out of date by the time we saw it.

Nowadays they'll send a live truck just because they have a truck to send. The top selling point of local news is how big their weather radar is.

News has become an entertainment product.

Yes, the internet didn't exist. No social media. Etc.
#45 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

Not just that.

The news wasn't as commericalized and commoditized and sensational when film from Vietnam was weeks out of date by the time we saw it.

Nowadays they'll send a live truck just because they have a truck to send. The top selling point of local news is how big their weather radar is.

News has become an entertainment product.

"Just goes to show you if you let one hate group stay you'll get more hate groups."

Popper's Paradox Of Tolerance.

"The reason why this is happening is because Jews in L.A. have had enough," Tsives told Fox & Friends. "They've seen how these pro-Hamas protesters are treating Jewish students on campus. And they said, fine if the UCLA administration is not going to do anything if LAPD is not going to do anything, we're going to do something about it."

^
That's the attitude that decided seizing Palestinian land was necessary to ensure the safety of European Jews.

"I think the goal, right or wrong, of relocating Jews to Jerusalem was geopolitical strategery"

The strategy has a name; the name is Colonialism.

"The strategy has a name; the name is Colonialism."
Gross oversimplification.
#80 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

It's a simplification but it's not a gross oversimplification.

There would be no Israel
Without Britain
and the West
and the UN
and a Western Colonialist named Theodor Herzl
to poof it into existence.

"He's been on tiktok "getting denied entry for being Jewish" all over the map for months."

Not at all surprising.

The Israeli psyops game is better than the Russian.

This is just one reason I keep expecting Israel to pivot to Moscow.

They mostly have the same world view, since the fall of the USSR and the assassination of Rabin.

"There wouldn't be a Palestine either."

There isn't a Palestine currently.

Israel does not recognize Palestine as a state.
(That's why they declared war on Hamas, not Palestine.)

"Yet the don't care about the fact that the employment of these weapons is in response to Israelis being slaughtered?"

They probably think bombing Palestinian civilians to punish Hamas terrorists (that Israel supported for a quarter century) is a grave injustice.

"Colleges Have Gone Off the Deep End."
Republicans have been saying that since the Vietnam War.

"There Is a Way Out."
Let me guess: Trade School!

Really, the law can't support injustice?

That's funny.

"Can you imagine if, in 1943, you had student encampments calling for a cease-fire against the Germans?"

Why can't the issue be discussed without reverting to WWII propaganda?
Why is that?

"Unless you can even suggest otherwise, Israel's objective is to defeat Hamas...not punish them."

I can very clearly state otherwise, because this is how Netanyahu explained it:
Israel's objective is to prevent the emergence of a legitimate Palestinian state.

Israel isn't going to defeat Hamas by killing civilians in Gaza, let me know if you don't understand why.

"Why can't the issue be discussed without reverting to WWII propaganda? Why is that?"
Propaganda?
Be more specific.

Discuss it without talking about WWII.
Good luck!

"The party that ruled Germany from 1933 to 1945 was called the "National Socialist German Workers' Party."

What's Hamas called, when you don't make it an acronym, and translate it to English? "Islamic Resistance Movement."

"The Gaza campaign is very, VERY similar to the counter-ISIS campaign the west ran under the authorities of Operation Inherent Resolve. And I was balls-deep in the targeting piece of that fight up to the end."

Did you kill 30,000 civilians, or are those rookie numbers?

From #119:
The group emerged in 1987 as an alternative to the secular-nationalist Palestinian Fatah, which had dominated the Palestinian Liberation Organisation (PLO). Fatah's recognition of Israel, perceived corruption and the failure of their diplomatic approach[1] to secure an independent Palestinian state or cease Israeli settlements and military occupation in the West Bank and Gaza contributed to increasing popular support for Hamas, who in 2006 won legislative elections. In 2007,

The Hamas origin story is the same origin story as Likud! (from wikipedia)
Formation and leadership of Begin
The Likud was formed on 13 September 1973 as a secular party[34][35] by an alliance of several right-wing parties prior to that year's legislative election"Herut, the Liberal Party, the Free Centre, the National List, and the Movement for Greater Israel. Herut had been the nation's largest right-wing party since growing out of the Irgun in 1948. It had already been in coalition with the Liberals since 1965 as Gahal, with Herut as the senior partner. Herut remained the senior partner in the new grouping, which was given the name Likud, meaning "Consolidation", as it represented the consolidation of the Israeli right.[36] It worked as a coalition under Herut's leadership until 1988, when the member parties merged into a single party under the Likud name.[37] From its establishment in 1973, Likud enjoyed great support from blue-collar Sephardim.[38]

Herut and Movement for Greater Israel are expansionist Zionist parties.
They want the same thing Hamas wants.
Technically, they want more, because they want Israel to control both sides of the River Jordan; the restoration of Eretz Yisrael or Greater Israel.

"Is there is a logical, objective reason you would want to disregard historical analogs?"

Yes.

Also, you aren't really making analogues.

You're making hypotheticals built on bad analogues.

I just did. It was sent. You seemed to not care but that's your choice.

This is what I mean about MadBomber is unable to have a discussion without bringing up WWII.

He's Basil Fawlty, we're the German tourists.

He can't stop doing it.

"The Palestinians are just the most recent group that wants to extirpate Jews."

Setting aside that you said Palestinians instead of Hamas, and Jews instead of Israel:

Palestinians themselves got extirpated from what is now Israel.

"The Gaza campaign is very, VERY similar to the counter-ISIS campaign the west ran under the authorities of Operation Inherent Resolve. And I was balls-deep in the targeting piece of that fight up to the end."

MadBomber is saying the key to defeating ISIS was... killing civilians in ISIS controlled territory.

#147 Has anyone NOT reached that conclusion?

"There has never been a credible threat that Hamas would overrun Israel, no matter what their "charter" says."

There is no retort for that fact.

So they just ignore it.

"Communism engulfed East Germany for about 4 decades and then that section of the country recovered remarkably well."

East Germany did not recover well at all.

That's like saying Russia has recovered well. Russia is worse for most Russians, because it helps keep Putin in power by giving them a sense of victimhood for what The West has taken from them.

So, just hold back and reward guerilla warfare and actual nation states using proxies to fight their battles for them?
#158 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

You mean like, Israel pretending to "fight" Hamas in Gaza, when the Hamas leaders live in Qatar and Cairo?

"Again, there was no such thing as the state of Palestine."

Okay, but all states are merely human constructs to begin with. It's an arbitrary distinction.

Here, let me demonstrate: If there has been a state of Palestine, what changes?

"You left out the part where the Palestinians, with the aid of their neighbors, tried to wipe out Israel. Three main times."

You left out "Which only happened because Israel succeeded in wiping out the Palestinians from what is now Israel."

Palestine got ethnically cleansed and non-Jews got herded into camps. Apparently they're supposed to live that way forever.

Israeli Jews learned how to treat the undesirables in society from colonialist European Anti-Semites. The founders of Israel are anti-Semitic Europeans. Ben-Gurion was Polish. Golda Meir was Russian. Theodor Herzl was Austrian.

They took the anti-Semitism they learned in Europe and applied it to the Goyim Semites.
With Europe's blessing, because it got the undesirable Jews out of Europe.

The Jews and the Jew Haters both got what they wanted. They worked together to rid Europe of its Jew Problem and transplant the European Jew Problem to Palestine, where it can serve the British goal of Divide and Conquer by becoming the Middle East Jew Problem.

"Do you have any idea how detached you'd have to be to stand before a podium and demand the university allow food and water to be brought to you because you paid for a meal plan?"

None whatsoever.
Everyone needs food and water.
It's reflected in the Eighth Amendment to the Constitution.

What am I missing?

"They're cosplaying and will be shocked when real consequences come to bear."

What does it mean, they're cosplaying?
Who is the real version of them?

"The trend in recent years has been to bring in folks from business to serve as president rather than someone from within academia itself."

But it's worked so well at Boeing!

"When did Boeing hire someone within academia?"

You're quite stupid.

"The universities have to walk a fine line between respecting their student's 1A rights while responding properly to things that go beyond 1A."

What's your take on the very similar college protests against Apartheid? You were a kid at the time, maybe you didn't even hear about them. Maybe you heard the song I I I I I I, Ain't Gonna Play Sun City.

Was it wrong for schools to divest? Yes or no.

"The people who inhabit the territory formerly known as the German Democratic Republic would disagree."

If they disagreed, they wouldn't be Germany's strongest supporters of fascism.

"Protesters from the civil rights era...did they whine about the fire hoses, dogs, beatings, ect ect?"

Huh?

They have to not complain about getting harassed, or they're fake?

You sound like a cop who knows the black suspect is faking it when he says "I can't breathe."

"Israel CREATED Hamas in the 1970's as a violent, militant counterweight to the left, secularist, and far less violent PLO and Fatah parties."

I've been saying this for what feels like two years now.

Some people just never pick up the clue phone.

"If the Islamic resistance terminates their fight tomorrow and lays down their arms, the fighting stops tomorrow."

You're completely clueless.

Zionist ethnic cleansing of the West Bank won't ever stop.

"They want to be "revolutionaries," but only the positive parts that make them feel righteous."

And the Civil Rights Era is different? They wanted to get sprayed with the fire hose and have the dogs turned loose on them?

Maybe just try explaining it without the anger and the contemptuous attitude.

Especially explain how it's different from the student anti Apartheid actions when you were a kid. Or if that was phony too, just say it was phony.

"20% of Israeli citizens are Palestinian."

Yeah and 1.3% of Americans are Natives.

Doesn't mean we didn't ethnically cleanse America.

"They don't seem to have an issue with Palestinians writ-large"

They don't?

Why do they keep driving Palestinians out of their homes in the West Bank?

"They're fake because they think they can just hit a pause button and stop the situation when it suits them, especially when it's a predictable consequence of their actions they don't want."

That just makes them sound young.

"They didn't create Article 13."

No Israel, no Article 13.

"But escalate to property destruction and trespassing then whine unironically about not getting food through your meal plan? Nope. Not sympathetic at all."

Trespassing aka sit-ins have been a mainstay of college campus protest since before we were born.

How come you don't know this, and/or can't tolerate it?

Your sympathy doesn't matter to anyone but you. People living under Apartheid didn't want your sympathy. They wanted your help.

And the point with the civil rights comparison isn't to suggest the consequences they faced were deserved or a proper response. The dogs and the hides and the beatings were part of the injustice.
It was to point out that those people took it and still kept going back for more because the protest was actually meaningful to their very existence.
#201 | POSTED BY JPW

Sounds like you have a solid understanding why Hamas keeps going back for more. You just don't agree that Gaza and the occupied West Bank is an injustice worth fighting.

You just don't agree that Gaza and the occupied West Bank is an injustice worth fighting.
#205 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

You might be one of the most intellectually dishonest posters here.
#209 | POSTED BY JPW

Hold up.

So now you're saying it is indeed an injustice worth fighting... but not using the same tactics that students used to fight Apartheid.

Where's the intellectual validity in that?
???

"Im aware of sit ins as a thing. However, I was also under the understanding that sit ins in the past weren't gone about by breaking into buildings, barricading entrances with furniture and harassing/assaulting students who aren't apart of it."

You would have opposed divestiture from South Africa, then, simply because of how it came to pass:

"He thinks he has entered the annals of history. And he really doesn't care if 200,000 people are killed and not a single house remains complete in Gaza. The main thing is the goal, the greater idea."

^
Sounds just like Bibi.

Jewish students trying to attend classes.
This reminded me of another picture I have seen. A line of Nazi soldiers preventing Jewish students from entering a college building in the 1930's in
Austria. It was reminiscent of Democrat politicians blocking the steps of schools in the south so black children could not enter.

The things you remember were legal. Nazis and Jim Crow had the law on their side.

Blocking Jews from campus is not legal and does not have the law on its side.

Soon, students arrested for protest will be blocked from entering their campuses, and you will support them being blocked.

They committed a crime. Why would you not support them being blocked out of the school?
#220 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Because you're being stupid.

Here is one perspective you may not be aware of in your zeal.
#221 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

Golly, that sounds familiar...

When Israel was founded in 1948, the majority Israeli Labor Party leadership, which governed for three decades after independence, accepted the partition of Mandatory Palestine into independent Jewish and Arab states as a pragmatic solution to the political and demographic issues of the territory, with the description "Land of Israel" applying to the territory of the State of Israel within the Green Line.[citation needed] The then opposition revisionists, who evolved into today's Likud party, however, regarded the rightful Land of Israel as Eretz Yisrael Ha-Shlema (literally, the whole Land of Israel), which came to be referred to as Greater Israel.[57] Joel Greenberg, writing in The New York Times, relates subsequent events this way:[57]