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Saturday, April 20, 2024

The House voted Friday in a bipartisan manner to advance a key foreign aid package, a significant step in sending aid to Ukraine and Israel and setting up a final vote as soon as Saturday.

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Empty G is gonna snap.

#1 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-04-19 11:26 AM | Reply

Empty G is gonna snap.

#1 | POSTED BY REDIAL

Her Russian handler will simply offer more money. She'll be fine.

#2 | Posted by Zed at 2024-04-19 11:45 AM | Reply

House Dems had to rescue Mikey from his own Tribe of Know-Nothings, lol.

How humiliating.

#3 | Posted by Corky at 2024-04-19 11:46 AM | Reply

She'll be fine.

She's still gonna snap. She can't help it.

If she tries to boot the Speaker and the Democrats save him she's gonna go full on, head spinning, projectile vomiting, possessed by demons crazy.

It will be glorious!

#4 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-04-19 11:52 AM | Reply

"Mike Johnson's Shockingly Pro-Ukraine Speech Really Sticks It to MAGA

The House speaker's comments wrecked one of the far right's most ridiculous, reprehensible tropes.

It was a remarkable moment:

After introducing a package of bills that includes military aid to Ukraine, Mike Johnson flatly told reporters on Wednesday that enabling Ukraine to defend itself is in the best interests of America and the world.

This surprised a lot of people who had wrongly assumed the House speaker was effectively functioning as a stooge for Vladimir Putin"and Donald Trump"and would thus slow-walk Ukraine aid to death before ever allowing a vote on it.

Johnson's new stance has attracted a good deal of positive attention. But I want to highlight an aspect of it that's been overlooked because it's an important tell about the true state of MAGA ideology and what it's demanding of Republicans these days.

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"I really do believe the intel and the briefings that we've gotten," Johnson said, in a moment that became a mini-speech.

"I think that Vladimir Putin would continue to march through Europe if he were allowed. I think he might go to the Balkans next. I think he might have a showdown with Poland, or one of our NATO allies."

If so, he added, we might find ourselves sending troops to defend allies from Putin later.

Did we really hear the speaker say that he believes what our intelligence services have told him about the long-term consequences of cutting off aid to Ukraine?

This is a direct challenge to the MAGA worldview in multiple ways.

Johnson is treating Putin as the aggressor in the Russia-Ukraine conflict and acknowledging his broader imperialist designs, which is heresy to some MAGA Republicans. But he's also flatly declaring that on these matters, the deep state is very much to be believed."

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newrepublic.com

#5 | Posted by Corky at 2024-04-19 11:55 AM | Reply

-This surprised a lot of people who had wrongly assumed the House speaker was effectively functioning as a stooge for Vladimir Putin"and Donald Trump"

I don't know how much of it was a wrongful assumption vs simply assigning that position because that's sexier and sells ratings more.

#6 | Posted by eberly at 2024-04-19 12:02 PM | Reply

- assigning that position

lol... he recently offered MGT a job, and was kowtowing to Trump in Mar a Lardo days ago.

Sometimes keeping your job is more important than doing what you are told by the radicals.

#7 | Posted by Corky at 2024-04-19 12:08 PM | Reply

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Has Johnson contradicted any previous statements about Ukraine?

#8 | Posted by eberly at 2024-04-19 12:23 PM | Reply

I don't know how much of it was a wrongful assumption vs simply assigning that position

First, the writing was only the author's opinion, it does not represent a unified viewpoint from which all Democrats operate. Second, Speaker Johnson just stood side by side with Trump last weekend in public agreement that there were "issues" with the 2020 election which is nothing more than propagating Trump's big lie in service of extracting even more money from those who believe the same. That IS alignment with Trump.

And it's fact that Ukraine's faultering military condition has been front and center for many months, yet until this moment, Johnson hasn't acted as though its defense needs were of immediate concern. Doing nothing is a positive for Putin and Trump at this point in time, as both don't want Congress to authorize more aid.

There were many opportunities to forward Ukraine funding - as has been publicly raised by Biden and Democrats on a near daily basis.

#9 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-04-19 12:30 PM | Reply

There were many opportunities to forward Ukraine funding

They just always tied it to fighting off the invading caravans of drug dealing rapists from the south.

#10 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-04-19 12:50 PM | Reply

I'm still trying to figure out if anybody is actually happy with Johnson over this.

#11 | Posted by eberly at 2024-04-19 01:25 PM | Reply

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Yes, the Ukrainian people. And anyone who doesn't want to fight Russia in Poland.

#12 | Posted by Corky at 2024-04-19 01:28 PM | Reply

I'm still trying to figure out if anybody is actually happy with Johnson over this.

#11 | POSTED BY EBERLY

I am, and I think he found his balls after being trapped against a wall and literally and physically bullied by MAGA yesterday.

Sometimes people just decide that they've had enough.

#13 | Posted by Zed at 2024-04-19 02:00 PM | Reply

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I'll ask you....has Johnson contradicted any previous statements regarding Ukraine?

#14 | Posted by eberly at 2024-04-19 02:04 PM | Reply

don't know how much of it was a wrongful assumption vs simply assigning that position because that's sexier and sells ratings more.

I think it was a reasonable, if not in the end wrong, assumption.

Wonder if he got a visit from someone we'll never know exists from some 3 letter agency who said "look, this is what the adults know and think, stop listening to the lunatics."

#15 | Posted by jpw at 2024-04-19 02:49 PM | Reply

Why assume?

Oh, I already pointed out why.

#16 | Posted by eberly at 2024-04-19 03:00 PM | Reply

I didn't read all the posts. Where did you explain?

Because if it's about ratings, I don't do anything for ratings.

#17 | Posted by jpw at 2024-04-19 04:16 PM | Reply

I'll ask you....has Johnson contradicted any previous statements regarding Ukraine?
#14 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Apparently he was against the aid to Ukraine before he was for it:

Joseph Zeballos-Roig
@josephzeballos

Sen. Markwayne Mullin raised an interesting point to me last year. Johnson opposed Ukraine $ as a member, but as speaker has privileged access to classified intel that few House members do:

"When you get informed on Ukraine, you get a different opinion"

twitter.com

#18 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-04-19 04:54 PM | Reply

I think being in the Gang of 8 is what has made the difference between Johnson, the Speaker, and Johnson, the ordinary member:

Jordan Weissmann
@JHWeissmann

As Ukraine aid heads toward passage, it's worth watching Johnson's press conference from earlier this week. And I mean watch, not just read. Because he truly sounds like he's been terrified by the intelligence briefings he's received.

twitter.com

#19 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-04-19 04:57 PM | Reply

18/19

Thanks for that. Newsworthy.

But I'm curious.....why the disconnect on the intelligence.

If members of Congress aren't aware of what's really going on....how do you expect them to make informed decisions?

Only the gang of 8 gets to know the real truth?

#20 | Posted by eberly at 2024-04-20 09:42 AM | Reply

Not sure, but I think the Gang of 8 gets more details, background info, sources and methods and gets them first. All members are eventually briefed but in less detail? That's where trusting your party's leaders comes into play if they tell you they believe the Intel they have seen?

#21 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-04-20 10:16 AM | Reply

The difference is between knowing the whole truth as opposed to knowing the real truth? Maybe someone with more insight can weigh in.

#22 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-04-20 10:18 AM | Reply

thehill.com

Looks like Johnson also did a 180 on FISA warrants, so something has changed his thinking on intelligence matters.

#23 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-04-20 10:29 AM | Reply

Empty G is all fired up this morning. She says Ukraine doesn't need weapons, it needs "peace".

#24 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-04-20 11:41 AM | Reply

It must take these clowns four hours just to order lunch.

#25 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-04-20 12:01 PM | Reply

My guess: Biden is blackmailing them with hard evidence of their criminal links to Russia.

#26 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-20 12:04 PM | Reply

They passed it. Empty G gonna have the sads.

#27 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-04-20 02:37 PM | Reply

More fraud, waste, and abuse of taxpayer money by the government, big surprise

#28 | Posted by THEBULL at 2024-04-20 08:29 PM | Reply

I will be honest, my opinion about The Speaker changed drastically during the last few days! His comment that he was doing what he believed is tight really impressed me!

#29 | Posted by danni at 2024-04-20 08:34 PM | Reply

DANNI

It didn't impress me. Obviously, there was a trade off with Democrats to hold onto his job. But I'm inclined to believe Johnson convinced Trump that if the House didn't pass the very popular even among House Republicans, aid to Ukraine, the GOP was going to lose the House, probably for years to come ~ not to mention giving Democrats another devastating talking point in 2024 that was going to cost Trump the election.

I don't think Johnson turned over a new leaf. I think he and Trump decided to look at the long game. Being, of course, that the mission creep toward an autocracy was never going to be accomplished if the GOP loses both the House and the Presidency in 2024.

Granted, it's still a longshot. The House will still be bogged down in chaos and in-fighting for the rest of the year but the GOP is, at least, trying to give themself something to point at.

#30 | Posted by Twinpac at 2024-04-20 09:42 PM | Reply

I don't think Johnson turned over a new leaf. I think he and Trump decided to look at the long game.

I think you are right. I just try to focus on Empty G losing her ---- and not being able to do anything. Will she be invited to M-a-L for a spanking?

#31 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-04-20 10:17 PM | Reply

"More fraud, waste, and abuse of taxpayer money"

You're joking, right?

You'd have to be a total moron not to realize we're fighting with other's troops, on other's soil, with our discarded weapons, for a dime on the dollar.

What aspect don't you like? Oh, right: Dems can take credit. And that alone is reason enough to abandon an ally, amirite?

#32 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-04-20 11:48 PM | Reply

with our discarded weapons

That's probably not true anymore. They are getting the brand new stuff now. At least ammunition wise, which is what they need.

#33 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-04-20 11:56 PM | Reply

REDIAL @ #31

"I think you are right."

The next miracle for Johnson to pull off is to convince Trump that he (Johnson) needs to bring the Border Security bill to the floor for a vote. I have less hope for that. Even considering that the Democrats have a good defense, Border Security is still Trump's Ace-in-the Hole campaign fodder for 2024. Weak as it is, Trump' not likely to cave on that.

If Johnson can convince Trump otherwise, then, as I told DANNI, I'll be impressed.

As for MTG, the worm has already turned. She's burnt toast. Her voice has turned from a shout to a squeak.

#34 | Posted by Twinpac at 2024-04-21 07:26 AM | Reply

More fraud, waste, and abuse of taxpayer money by the government, big surprise

#28 | POSTED BY THEBULL

Wrong thread, this thread is not about the fake Republicans "impeachment" trials.

#36 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-04-21 02:04 PM | Reply

inB4 they say we don't have enough money for a 'border bill'

#35 | Posted by fatboomboom

How come trump and repubs passed tax cuts for the rich instead of funding the border?

#39 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-04-21 02:43 PM | Reply

" What you just said. ... "dimes". Oh please."

Dimes to dollars, dumbfuq. Basically, 10% of what it would cost if we had to send troops.

You know, basic math, not Republican Math.

#40 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-04-21 02:43 PM | Reply

Johnson is privy to intelligence regular members of his caucus aren't.

Like Mike Pence, I'm not going to applaud Johnson for doing his job.

#41 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2024-04-21 05:08 PM | Reply

#44

America Firsters will always prefer fighting a war on America's soil rather than stopping said war in Europe... just like they did in the last WW.

#45 | Posted by Corky at 2024-04-21 05:52 PM | Reply

You might as well be talking to yourself, true... only an idiot would listen.

Vlad wants the Soviet Union back.... you ever seen the State Symbol of the SU?

en.wikipedia.org

It covers the World.

#47 | Posted by Corky at 2024-04-21 05:59 PM | Reply

@#47 ... Vlad wants the Soviet Union back.. ...

OpEd: Vladimir Putin: The rebuilding of Soviet' Russia (2014)
www.bbc.com

... This was President Boris Yeltsin's fifth premier in 16 months, and one confused party leader got the name wrong. He said he would support the candidacy of Stepashin - the surname of the recently sacked prime minister - rather than that of his little-known successor, before making an embarrassing correction.

If even leading Duma deputies couldn't remember the new prime minister's name, you couldn't blame the rest of the world if it didn't pay much attention to his speech. He was unlikely to head the Russian government for more than a couple of months anyway, so why bother?

That man was a former KGB officer, Vladimir Putin, and he has been in charge of the world's largest country, as president or prime minister, ever since. Few realised it at the time, because few were listening, but that speech provided a blueprint for pretty much everything he has done, for how he would re-shape a country that was perilously close to total collapse. ...

The once-mighty Russian army had lost a war in Chechnya, a place with fewer inhabitants than Russia had soldiers. Three former Warsaw Pact allies had joined Nato, bringing the Western alliance up to Russia's borders.

Meanwhile, the country was led by Yeltsin, an irascible drunkard in fragile health. The situation was desperate, but Putin had a plan. ...

When Putin spoke to the Duma, his homeland was a different, and less respected place. He spoke the language of a man who yearned for the lost certainties, who longed for a time when Moscow was to be reckoned with. He did not say it explicitly, but he was clearly stung by Russia's failure to stop Nato driving the forces of its ally, Serbia, out of Kosovo just months previously.

"Russia has been a great power for centuries, and remains so. It has always had and still has legitimate zones of interest ... We should not drop our guard in this respect, neither should we allow our opinion to be ignored," he said.

His domestic policy was to restore stability, to end what he called the "revolutions", that had brought Russia low. His foreign policy was to regain Russia's place in world affairs.

Those two core aims have driven everything he has done since. If only people had been listening, none of his actions would have come as a surprise to them. ...


imo, interesting OpEd, worth a read if you're interested in the topic.


#48 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-21 06:54 PM | Reply

You think this is alright?? i think it's awful. More so because WE initiated the failure of democracy in Ukraine, by implementing the Maidan coup/revolution/civil war process that led us to today. Please don't say that Ukraine is a democracy, alright? Because democracies have elections. Democracies don't outlaw opposition. Democracies don't outlaw languages. Democracies don't oppress a population because of their ethnicity.

And guess what else? Ukraine cannot win their terms no matter how much money they launder.

#44 | Posted by fatboomboom

We helped ukraine toss out their corrupt russian puppet leader who ran straight back to moscow. When he lost control of ukraine via his puppet putin decided to invade and now we're helping ukraine resist that. It makes you mad because you support putin.

#49 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-04-21 06:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Fatboomboom smells like a Putinist Russian and/or tankie

#50 | Posted by hamburglar at 2024-04-21 07:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#44 ... WE initiated the failure of democracy in Ukraine, by implementing the Maidan coup/revolution/civil war process ...

Euromaidan
en.wikipedia.org

... Euromaidan ... or the Maidan Uprising,[87] was a wave of demonstrations and civil unrest in Ukraine, which began on 21 November 2013 with large protests in Maidan Nezalezhnosti (Independence Square) in Kyiv.

The protests were sparked by President Viktor Yanukovych's sudden decision not to sign the European Union"Ukraine Association Agreement, instead choosing closer ties to Russia and the Eurasian Economic Union.

Ukraine's parliament had overwhelmingly approved of finalizing the Agreement with the EU,[88] but Russia had put pressure on Ukraine to reject it.[89] ...

[emphasis mine]

So, it appears that the Maidan protest was because the Russian-backed (owned) leader of Ukraine failed to follow the direction he received from the People of Ukraine , but instead chose to obey Russia's dictum.

And the people of Ukraine did not like that.

What ever happened to fmr Pres Yanukovych?

Viktor Yanukovych
en.wikipedia.org

... On 24 February 2014, the new government issued a warrant for Yanukovych's arrest, accusing him of being responsible for the killing of protestors.[21]

Yanukovych went into exile in Russia, claiming to still be the legitimate head of state.[22]

On 18 June 2015, Yanukovych was officially deprived of the title of president by parliament.[23] On 24 January 2019, he was sentenced in absentia to a thirteen year prison term for high treason by a Ukrainian court.[24] In various polling conducted since his departure from office, Yanukovych was ranked the least popular president in Ukraine's independent history.[25][26][27][28][29] Yanukovych has also given his name to a collective term for blunders made by Ukrainian politicians: Yanukisms.[30] ...


Oh, Russia took him in.

#51 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-21 07:55 PM | Reply

@#50 ... Fatboomboom smells like a Putinist Russian and/or tankie ...

It's like the Russian troll farm participants have all taken new aliases here.

#52 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-21 07:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#48 | Posted by LampLighter

And for Putin to hold onto his newly found power, in 1999 he had a series of apartment buildings bombed by the FSB so he could start a war in Chechnya, claiming Chechnyan separatists were behind the bombings. All to rile up public support and give him street cred as a "war president." Over 300 were killed.

#53 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2024-04-21 08:33 PM | Reply

@#54 ... I know for certain we are going to destroy Russia, ...

A new approach?

Pres Putin is paranoid of the West going after Russia.

Now it seems we have a new alias saying the same thing, but trying to say it from a US point of view.

Clever, I must say.


:)


#55 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-21 08:42 PM | Reply

" You think this is alright?? i think it's awful. "

Then go join them. Nothing in your way but the armchair.

#56 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-04-21 09:04 PM | Reply

" Democracies don't oppress a population because of their ethnicity."

Pick up a history book, FFS.

#57 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-04-21 09:05 PM | Reply

$400 million in embezzlement is a good reason to continue this farcw.

#58 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-04-22 01:06 AM | Reply

@#58 ... $400 million in embezzlement ...

Got links?

#59 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-22 01:10 AM | Reply

"I know for certain we are going to destroy Russia ... "

We are not going to "destroy" Russia or China. Unless they attack us directly. But that means WW3 and then we are destroying everything.

Not a real good dream.

#60 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-04-22 11:42 AM | Reply

More so because WE initiated the failure of democracy in Ukraine, by implementing the Maidan coup/revolution/civil war process that led us to today. Please don't say that Ukraine is a democracy, alright? Because democracies have elections. Democracies don't outlaw opposition. Democracies don't outlaw languages. Democracies don't oppress a population because of their ethnicity.

And guess what else? Ukraine cannot win their terms no matter how much money they launder.

#44 | Posted by fatboomboom at 2024-04-21 05:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

via GIPHY

#61 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-04-22 12:18 PM | Reply

@#58 ... $400 million in embezzlement ...

Got links?

#59 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-22 01:10 AM | Reply | Flag

To his ass?

Ain't no one want to see that.

#62 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-04-22 12:19 PM | Reply

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