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Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Saturday, April 13, 2024

Iran on Saturday launched attacks against Israel, according to the Israel Defense Forces, escalating long-standing tensions between the two nations that have the potential to trigger a regional war. Strains between Iran and Israel have been heating up since the start of the war in Gaza in October, and especially over the past several weeks after Iran accused Israel of perpetrating an attack on its consulate in Damascus on April 1. Iranian leaders, including Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, pledged to retaliate against Israel for the Damascus strike and Israel, in turn, threatened a counterattack of its own. Israel has neither confirmed nor denied its involvement in the Damascus attack.

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#1 | Posted by censored at 2024-04-13 04:39 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

ZioNazis prepare for the response...

#2 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-04-13 04:52 PM | Reply

LMAO Biden moved our ships into position to ensure the Iranians take an asswhippin, and don't get too uppity.

Wait till his next speaking engagement... Definitely going to need some popcorn.

#3 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-04-13 05:25 PM | Reply

#BREAKING: President Joe Biden is set to address the nation from the Oval Office

#4 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-04-13 05:34 PM | Reply

Ah ----.

#5 | Posted by horstngraben at 2024-04-13 05:43 PM | Reply

#BREAKING: Now President Joe Biden is not expected to speak to the nation from the Oval Office at the White House, according to reports

#6 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-04-13 05:49 PM | Reply

Ah ----.
#5 | POSTED BY HORSTNGRABEN

Poor life choices?

#7 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-04-13 05:50 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Ayatollah Khamenei is a savvy genius.

~ bunker bitch ~

#8 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2024-04-13 05:55 PM | Reply

What a complete and absolute failure of Western leadership.

#9 | Posted by ExpectingReign at 2024-04-13 06:10 PM | Reply

What a complete and absolute failure of Western leadership.

Its not over ...

#10 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-04-13 06:12 PM | Reply

Iran is committing genocide.

#11 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2024-04-13 06:13 PM | Reply | Funny: 3

Some Republican members of Congress are already expressing frustration at the Biden administration following Iran's launch against Israel.

Rep. Steve Scalise (R-La.), the second-highest ranking Republican in the House, wrote on X that the United States "must stand strongly with our greatest Middle East ally as they defend themselves against Iran," adding that the administration "cannot continue to capitulate to terrorists."

www.washingtonpost.com

Seriously, "capitulate to terrorists"?

The entire leadership of the House GOP should be simply STFU until they have something to actually be critical about. No one wants Israel and Iran in a hot war or trading tick-for-tack reprisal attacks. (Yes, I know it's not 'tick for tack. The proper term will get censored.)

#12 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-04-13 06:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

EXPECTINGREIGN

"What a complete and absolute failure of Western leadership."

Details??????

#13 | Posted by Twinpac at 2024-04-13 06:18 PM | Reply

[...]No one wants Israel and Iran in a hot war [...] #12 | Posted by tonyroma

Umm... yes... I agree ...

#14 | Posted by censored at 2024-04-13 06:18 PM | Reply

#12 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

Sure thing Tony"DisappearWhenGoingGetsTough"Roma.

Whats wrong with standing strong with a Democracy over a Theocracy?

See politically Biden is in a bind. He's been trying to sell the idea that he's tough on Israel to garner support from the Pro-Hamas wing of the party.

Iran just put him in a tough spot. All the Republicans are doing is making him choose, same as the pro-hamas faction of the democrat party.

I'll leave you with the strong words that Biden has used over and over again and has been shoved back in his face

Don't!

#15 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-04-13 06:20 PM | Reply

Details??????

#13 | POSTED BY TWINPAC

Incoming!

#16 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-04-13 06:20 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

The Abraham Accords are working out so well Slumlord Jared deserves another $2 billion.

#17 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2024-04-13 06:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Israel needs a good Ass Whipping.

They will get it, sooner or later.

They're just as Religiously and Ethnically Bigoted as any Islamic State is.

They just have helpful friends and hangers on.

Everything come to an end.

#18 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-04-13 06:24 PM | Reply

This could be a blessing in disguise for the world order. Israel attacks this Iranian embassy, Iran responds with drones and ballistic missiles, Israel and the USA then destroy all ballistic missile capability and drone manufacturing.
Putin gets cut off on some very important toys that he's been using to destroy Europe. And one of those toys he's been using is the Republican Putin caucus.

And the American public will rush to embrace Biden's ferocity as they almost always do for a "war" president. (Though admittedly, this works better for Presidents like Cheney and Reagan. Even Bush 1 didn't get a sustained bounce from his Kuwait war. Though the less from that is you shouldn't end it so fast.

#19 | Posted by prius04 at 2024-04-13 06:31 PM | Reply

#15

I've never disappeared in 20 years. Just because I don't post on threads you read doesn't mean I don't post. The day you wrote the post about me coming back, in the immediate days prior I'd posted multiple threads and posts. If it means that much to you, then go back and find your post, then visit my homepage and date-check my posting log. It's all right there in black and white.

And FFS, put your projector down! You repeatedly put your own words and thoughts into my mouth and then claim that's how I feel about something.

As it regards this attack, I posted what I thought was egregious in Scalise's statement. Did I criticise him about what you accused me of? F no. I criticised him for alluding that somehow Biden is bowing down to terrorists - which is sheer lunacy.

Iran is a nation state, but a retaliatory strike against the nation that bombed their embassy and killed one of their generals is not terrorism, it's an act of war that Iran already publicly promised.

As I've read it, Biden has likely taken his military chiefs' advice as we not only announced the attack before it started, we also moved assets into positions where it's logical they can be used in Israel's defense and favor.

None of us know what the hell is going on right now unless someone is tied into military intel or knows how to monitor those who get non-public information.

I have no problem with the first part of his statement at all. I have a problem with the second part because during an ongoing attack I expect our elected officials to offer support to Israel and to our own leader to make the right strategic calls. You nor he yet know the effectiveness or ineffectiveness of our response nor the strategic analysis that went into the response.

So zip it until you do.

#20 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-04-13 06:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

#19

Israel hit their consulate.

Biden supporting Israel is exactly what 80% of the Democrat party is fighting against.

Read this board for the extent of their hatred for Israel.

Republicans won't support Biden during the war, because Biden won't give it 100%.

Biden is adrift without any political support.

#21 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-04-13 06:40 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

I've never disappeared in 20 years.
- tonyrheghostroma.

I never see you post when any of your BS legal opinions get blown away by SCOTUS.

You come around, type a bunch of BS; then when wrong; we don't see you for weeks.

#22 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-04-13 06:43 PM | Reply

Iran is a nation state, but a retaliatory strike against the nation that bombed their embassy
- Tony

Again, Israel did not attack their embassy.

It was a consulate.

#23 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-04-13 06:45 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

@#9 ... What a complete and absolute failure of Western leadership. ...

How so?


#24 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-13 06:49 PM | Reply

@#12 ... the administration "cannot continue to capitulate to terrorists." ...

Yet, the Republican Paryt looks to be all but following what Pres Putin wants them to do.


#25 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-13 06:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#21

The problem of those like you is that you're only capable of seeing the world one way - binary. In no manner do 80% of Democrats NOT support the country of Israel and its people. At this moment, Democrats - and most of the sane world - are apoplectic about the government run by Netanyahu which has brought a famine upon Gaza.

The point is the vast majority of us can understand that things can be many, many different things driven by many different agendas at the same time. We know that Iran foments and supports terrorists and terrorism that serves its fundamentalist aims.

But we also know that the Iranian people are not the Iranian government. Many keep trying and dying to finally overthrow the ayatollahs, but as yet it hasn't happened.

Shorter point: Democrats will support ANY sensible policy or action in the defense of Israel. But having said that, what Netanyahu has been doing with our bountious assistance should be abhorrent to every American alive.

There are definitely conflicting emotions at work even for those who normally support most military efforts in defense of Israel. The attacks on 10/7 were horrible and barbaric and deserved direct reprisal. But it didn't mean they could virtually destroy the Palestinian civilization and drive millions into famine.

Both of those are very important, but both have to be navigated on the hopes this doesn't blow up into something bigger regardless of what we do. THAT'S what we all should be focused on and try the best to accumulate information on the what's going on and why.

#26 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-04-13 06:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

@#12 ... The entire leadership of the House GOP should be simply STFU until they have something to actually be critical about. No one wants Israel and Iran in a hot war or trading tick-for-tack reprisal attacks. (Yes, I know it's not 'tick for tack. The proper term will get censored.) ...

Agreed.

This current Israel - Iran, I'll call it, issue can escalate very quickly, with dire consequences.

The big problem I have is that many in the current GOP seems to prefer to side with Pres Putin instead of the Constitution.

So, where will that lead us?

#27 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-13 06:55 PM | Reply

It was a consulate.

I know, I wrote the word in regards to Benghazi about a million times, I'm kind of sick of it, if you can understand.

I apologize for being lazy.

#28 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-04-13 06:56 PM | Reply

"Biden supporting Israel is exactly what 80% of the Democrat party is fighting against."

Read the room.

#29 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-13 07:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#21 ... Biden supporting Israel is exactly what 80% of the Democrat party is fighting against. ...

80%? Hardly. Speaking out of your analpore? Again?

Some numbers...

Americans split on continuing military aid to Israel (March 2024)
www.ipsos.com

... Meanwhile, Reuters/Ipsos polling finds a plurality say they trust neither Biden nor Trump to broker peace in the Middle East ...

The latest Reuters/Ipsos poll finds that Americans are split on whether the U.S. should continue providing military aid to Israel. Nearly half (47%) of Americans say they would be more likely to support a 2024 presidential candidate who continues to support Israel, while 48% say they would be less likely to support a candidate who does so. These sentiments, however, vary by political affiliation. While at least half of Democrats (56%) and independents (51%) say that continuing to give military aid to Israel would make them less likely to support a presidential candidate, most Republicans (62%) say doing so would make them more likely to support a presidential candidate. ...


#30 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-13 07:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Let Israel twist in the wind.

They have abused our good will.

Why should Americans Die for them?

They aren't worth a bucket of cold piss.

#31 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-04-13 07:17 PM | Reply

You come around, type a bunch of BS; then when wrong; we don't see you for weeks.

As I suspected, you're unable to read. If you did, I clearly answered your question in my response.

Just because I don't post on threads you read doesn't mean I don't post.

#32 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-04-13 07:30 PM | Reply

@#31 ... Why should Americans Die for them?

They aren't worth a bucket of cold piss. ...

That's a quite callous, yet unsurprising, comment from you current alias.

Equating Israelis to a "bucket of cold p!ss."

Israel is fighting for its life as a state.

I look at the conflicts (now, possibly, war) in the Middle East as what may happen to the United States when the Christian Nationalists get their way in this Country.

Religious fighting to eliminate those who do not subscribe to your beliefs.


#33 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-13 07:38 PM | Reply

MSNBC is reporting that the Iranian UN spokesperson released an announcement from the Iranian government that whatever waves already launched are end. They're saying "this concludes our operations."

#34 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-04-13 07:53 PM | Reply

... are the end of Iran's attack.

#35 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-04-13 07:54 PM | Reply

Eff,

"They're just as Religiously and Ethnically Bigoted as any Islamic State is."

Jews and Muslims both take their religions serious, regardless if non-believers poo poo it.

As do Christians.

However, there is the little matter of Israelites being God's chosen in Hebrew scriptures.

There is a singularity running through Judiam, Islam and Christianity, although they don't have the same beliefs or rituals.

The question of them all worshipping the same God is debated by scholars however, from all appearances, they way they conduct themselves with each other, would indicate they don't believe they do.

#36 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-04-13 07:57 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

MSNBC is reporting that the Iranian UN spokesperson released an announcement from the Iranian government that whatever waves already launched are [are the end of Iran's attack.] They're saying "this concludes our operations." #34 | Posted by tonyroma

Weak!

Put up or shut up Iran. It's not enough to beat schoolgirls to death for showing their hair. Man up and take a nuke or two up the Ayatollah Asha-hola.

#37 | Posted by censored at 2024-04-13 07:58 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Did they hit anything?

#38 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-04-13 08:01 PM | Reply

What a complete and absolute failure of Western leadership.
#9 | POSTED BY EXPECTINGREIGN AT 2024-04-13 06:10 PM | REPLY

Tomorrow: Expectingnoiq willblame Biden for the coming winter in Australia.

#39 | Posted by e1g1 at 2024-04-13 08:01 PM | Reply

Republicans won't support Biden during the war, because Biden won't give it 100%.

So Biden is supposed to get into WWIII now?

#40 | Posted by jpw at 2024-04-13 08:21 PM | Reply

@#38 ... Did they hit anything? ...

IDF: Iran fired 200 missiles and drones; most intercepted; minor damage at IDF base
www.timesofisrael.com

... Spokesman says attack not over * Unprecedented assault triggered sirens nationwide, booms of interceptions * Bedouin child hurt by shrapnel * IAF, US, UK, Jordan intercepted projectiles ...

Looks like early information, so take it for that.

#41 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-13 08:24 PM | Reply

I actually agree with Effet on this.

I'm tired of the US being the skirt Israel hides behind when they pick a fight.

Let them fake a pounding and get out in their place for once.

#42 | Posted by jpw at 2024-04-13 08:24 PM | Reply

More...

Iran attacks Israel: IDF warns that threat is ongoing, interceptions continue
www.jpost.com

... Ten-year-old girl from Bedouin village seriously wounded in Iranian attack. US, Israel, UK, Jordan intercept Iranian projectiles.

Sirens blared across Israel on Saturday night as hundreds of drones and missiles launched from Iran reached Israel. Drones and missiles were also reportedly launched from Yemen and other countries around the region.

A ten-year-old girl from a Bedouin village near Arad was seriously wounded by the Iranian attack, according to Magen David Adom. Minor damage was caused to infrastructure at an IDF base in southern Israel during the attack as well, according to IDF Spokesperson Daniel Hagari.

At 3:00 a.m., IDF Chief Spokesman Daniel Hagari said that Iran had launched a large-scale massive swarm of over 200 killer drones, cruise missiles, and ballistic missiles toward Israel. "Together [with our partners], we are operating at this very moment. So far, we have intercepted a vast majority of missiles, attack drones, cruise missiles, and ballistic missiles outside of Israel's border," he said.

Hagari stressed that the Iranian attack was not over yet. Almost all interceptions have been by aircraft, David's Sling, or the Arrow missile systems. The Iron Dome, which defends well against Hamas and Hezbollah's simple rockets, is less relevant for drones and fancier long range missiles. ...



(I've not yet been able to find an Iranian English-language news site....)

#43 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-13 08:27 PM | Reply

Found this one, but nothing on the current strikes...
en.isna.ir

#44 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-13 08:28 PM | Reply

Iran doesn't want an all out war with Israel and or the West... they are just helping a Vlad bro out, who is bankrolling and hacking for Trump.

This is intended to keep Dark Brandon busy, while Mafia Don is stuck in Court.

Little do they know that Jewish Lasers are focused on Tehran's beard grooming supplies!

#45 | Posted by Corky at 2024-04-13 08:34 PM | Reply | Funny: 3 | Newsworthy 1

The question of them all worshipping the same God is debated by scholars however, from all appearances, they way they conduct themselves with each other, would indicate they don't believe they do.

POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON AT 2024-04-13 07:57 PM | REPLY

All three of them are Abrahamic in origin. First came Jews next came Christians then came Islam. They all think their religion is the only way to be. It's sad but it's the way it is.

#46 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-04-13 08:37 PM | Reply

... during an ongoing attack I expect our elected officials to offer support to Israel and to our own leader to make the right strategic calls.

Well, call me Mr. Naive. The above ain't happening in the Age of Trump:

[Trump] told the crowd the attack was a product of American weakness.

"That's because we show great weakness," he told the crowd at the Schnecksville Fire Company fairgrounds. "This would not happen. The weakness that we've shown, it's unbelievable and it would not have happened if we were in office."

Trump added that "America prays for Israel" as Iranian missiles were fired toward the country.

Later on, members of the crowd could be heard chanting, "Genocide Joe! Genocide Joe!" to which Trump responded, "They're not wrong."

www.nbcnews.com

What a statesman.... But again, this goes to how unthinking and uncritical he expects his base to be. First off, strategically the military would be giving a President Trump the same options that President Biden is picking from. And exactly what "strength" does he think he'd have fostered that would have stopped Iran from their retalliatory attack? The only cards in Trump's deck are threats of escalation and perhaps Iran having to weigh whether Trump is deranged enough to start WWIII.

Yeah, I see how the deluded Trump might consider his own unpredictability an advantage.

#47 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-04-13 08:41 PM | Reply

@#45 ... Iran doesn't want an all out war with Israel and or the West.. ...

My view...

Iran initiated the Oct7 strike against Israel because it saw Israel and Saudi Arabia positively engaging in negotiations for a peace treaty, brokered by the US (at the time, the Biden Administration).

Iran was against that treaty, so they triggered Hamas to derail it.

Now, Iran seems to realize that following through on what it dd may not be A Good Thing for them.

Who knows what may happen next? This is the volatile Middle East.



#48 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-13 08:46 PM | Reply

"Genocide Joe! Genocide Joe!"

Um, Trump has said he supports Israel more than any other earthly human possibly could.

His supporters must have a difficult time walking and chewing gum simultaneously.

#49 | Posted by Corky at 2024-04-13 08:54 PM | Reply

Here is Iran's statement posted on X at 6:06 EDT:

Permanent Mission of I.R.Iran to UN, NY
@Iran_UN

Conducted on the strength of Article 51 of the UN Charter pertaining to legitimate defense, Iran's military action was in response to the Zionist regime's aggression against our diplomatic premises in Damascus. The matter can be deemed concluded. However, should the Israeli regime make another mistake, Iran's response will be considerably more severe. It is a conflict between Iran and the rogue Israeli regime, from which the U.S. MUST STAY AWAY!

6:06 PM Apr 13, 2024

#50 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-04-13 08:54 PM | Reply

"aggression against our diplomatic premises in Damascus."
-iran

Lol plotting to send arms the West Bank is also aggressive to Israelis sovereignty.

Iran comes out of this looking like idiots.

#51 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-04-13 08:58 PM | Reply

- "... from which the U.S. MUST STAY AWAY!"

They obviously copied that all caps reply from Trump's Social account.

#52 | Posted by Corky at 2024-04-13 09:02 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Where is Tres? I thought he would have been carrying the Iranian flag in here while chanting DeAtH To AmErIcA!!!

#53 | Posted by Bluewaffles at 2024-04-13 09:06 PM | Reply

Somebody correct me if you logically see it another way, (if you do, please give evidence to support your opinion) but I'm reading this statement from Iran as basically saying in other words,

Iran here. Based on the UN Charter blah, blah, we took military action in response to what Israel did. The matter can be deemed concluded, IOW, we're not making any claims of damage or casualties, and we're not asking for vengance to rain down on Israel. You hit us, we hit you back. If we leave it at that, as far as we're concerned it's over. And US, keep your butt out of it, this is a neighborhood beef and it's over if you leave it alone.

However, the US joined with Israel in destroying whatever Iran sent so we already showed them the back of our hand for trying to dictate our response. And IF there's no significant damage out of proportion to the Israeli attack on the consulate both Israel and the US are in control of whether this skirmish is over. Iran told the world it is.

And at this point - 4/5 hours in - with this information, exactly what is there to criticize Joe Biden for, and what exactly should he have done beyond help protect Israel and the Israelis, and Iran giving both the US and Israel an out by their publication that their "military response" is over? Iran is basically saying, Hey world, we don't want a war.

#54 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-04-13 09:13 PM | Reply

Now all the anti-Semitics and protesters can demand Israel justs waits for death and destruction to rain down on them with their fingers up their ---.

#55 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2024-04-13 09:16 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Now all the anti-Semitics and protesters can demand Israel justs waits for death and destruction to rain down on them with their fingers up their ---.
#55 | POSTED BY PHESTEROBOYLE

^
Israel already did that on Oct 7.

#56 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-13 09:18 PM | Reply

"exactly what is there to criticize Joe Biden for"

His old boss wore a tan suit.

#57 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-13 09:19 PM | Reply

Iran comes out of this looking like idiots.

We finally agree on something. To informed people, Iran just wasted a few millions of dollars of drones and missiles that landed in the desert (I hope because that means people aren't getting hurt).

To Iran, they retaliated against Israel bombing their consulate and saved face on Shi'i street, put their toys away and called it a successful day.

Hopefully both sides can call this one over even when they have to publicly keep calling each other vile names.

#58 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-04-13 09:20 PM | Reply

And at this point - 4/5 hours in - with this information, exactly what is there to criticize Joe Biden for, and what exactly should he have done beyond help protect Israel and the Israelis, and Iran giving both the US and Israel an out by their publication that their "military response" is over? Iran is basically saying, Hey world, we don't want a war.

#54 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

Israel has for months been conducting a barbaric attack on the Gaza strip (this does not in any way condone what Hamas did), to the point where 10's of thousands of children have been killed and hundreds of thousands are subject to a famine.

Using food as a weapon of war is abhorrent.

The US has been the only country to not condemn Israel's actions, in fact, we have publicly supported them and intend on giving them MORE offensive weapons.

Israel attacked Iran's consulate-a completely unheard-of action.

Biden, not taking action to reign in Israel's actions is making us a supporter of Israel's actions especially the abhorrent ones.

In fact, the instant that Biden took even a small step of threatening to withhold aid from Israel, the amount of aid entering Gaza quadrupled.

So, yeah, there is a great deal to criticize Biden for.

We are lucky if this does not escalate.

#59 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-04-13 09:27 PM | Reply

Iran is coming across as restrained. No nation in the world should not respond when a country attacks it's consulate killing it's generals.

How would America react if say Venezuela dropped some bombs on our consulate in Columbia killing some top generals?

#60 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-04-13 09:29 PM | Reply

Iran is coming across as restrained.

They don't really have a lot of good options to work with.

#61 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-04-13 09:31 PM | Reply

Just an observation, but has anyone else but me been unable to find Iran's statement reported anywhere in US media right now?

How isn't that statement the starting point of any debate about Israel's and the US' upcoming response one way or another?

It's important to know NOW that Iran already explained what they've done and why before any reaction. But it seems to be a fact that Iran has already said they're done retaliating.

#62 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-04-13 09:34 PM | Reply

How would America react if say Venezuela dropped some bombs on our consulate in Columbia killing some top generals?
#60 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS

We would invade Iraq.

#63 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-13 09:52 PM | Reply

Iran and the Houthis have the moral high ground here.br />

Israel is the ethnic Supremacist, RACIST,state in this war.

---- Em', I hope they get Thrashed.

Close the Strait of Hormeuz. Make the West and Israel squirm.

Israel is in the Wrong here, regardless of 10/7. They are killing too many people not involved with that.

The West is just playing along with Israeli Excesses and enabling disproportionate response and war crimes.

It's hypocritical and undermines any claim to a "rules based" order led by the US and NATO.

Israel should be left to deal with the consequences of their own actions.

#64 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-04-13 10:00 PM | Reply

Iran is coming across as restrained. No nation in the world should not respond when a country attacks it's consulate killing it's generals. How would America react if say Venezuela dropped some bombs on our consulate in Columbia killing some top generals? #60 | Posted by truthhurts

Lol!

Yeah Iran is coming across as restrained. Like when Iran ordered Hamas to rape and murder 1,200 Israeli civilians.

Since you bring up the comparison, what do you think the US would do if Venezuela invaded our nation and raped and killed 1,200 of our civilians?

Iran's poow widdle genewals got bwown up? Ooh noo! UwU

#65 | Posted by censored at 2024-04-13 10:09 PM | Reply

"Yeah Iran is coming across as restrained. Like when Iran ordered Hamas to rape and murder 1,200 Israeli civilians."

This isn't restrained compared to that?

#66 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-13 10:15 PM | Reply

All of this because of things that didn't happen thousands of years ago.

#67 | Posted by TenMile at 2024-04-13 10:18 PM | Reply

Lol!
Yeah Iran is coming across as restrained. Like when Iran ordered Hamas to rape and murder 1,200 Israeli civilians.
Since you bring up the comparison, what do you think the US would do if Venezuela invaded our nation and raped and killed 1,200 of our civilians?
Iran's poow widdle genewals got bwown up? Ooh noo! UwU

#65 | POSTED BY CENSORED

Let me make this perfectly clear.

There is absolutely NO justification for killing 10s of thousands of children and using food as a weapon of war.

Zero

None

Nada

Nil

#68 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-04-13 10:23 PM | Reply

Let me make this perfectly clear. There is absolutely NO justification for killing 10s of thousands of children and using food as a weapon of war. Zero None Nada Nil #68 | Posted by truthhurts

Since you changed the subject, I take it that you've got nothing on the benevolence and civiilized behavior of Iran? You know, what you were lauding a couple posts earlier?

You feel bad about civilian collateral damage? Take it up with Iran, Hamas, and the rest of the Palestinians. Since that is what they were looking for.

Hamas wants to kill Palestinians to prove their point? Go for it, I guess. Why should I care if the Palestinians don't? I won't be falling for that attempted manipulation as I don't have much sympathy for those who cry genocide for collateral damage after they swear to commit genocide themselves at the earliest opportunity.

#69 | Posted by censored at 2024-04-13 10:46 PM | Reply

^^^^ 69! Nice.

#70 | Posted by censored at 2024-04-13 10:48 PM | Reply

Iran is the Civilized party here.

The Israeli's are just Ethno Bigots with a good rap.

I will admit their PR is excellent.

Unlike Iran or the Houthis who have an image problem.

But in this case, Image is not substance.

Israel is the criminal actor here.

No question.

#71 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-04-13 10:55 PM | Reply

Let me make this perfectly clear. There is absolutely NO justification for killing 10s of thousands of children and using food as a weapon of war. Zero None Nada Nil #68 | Posted by truthhurts
Since you changed the subject, I take it that you've got nothing on the benevolence and civiilized behavior of Iran? You know, what you were lauding a couple posts earlier?
You feel bad about civilian collateral damage? Take it up with Iran, Hamas, and the rest of the Palestinians. Since that is what they were looking for.
Hamas wants to kill Palestinians to prove their point? Go for it, I guess. Why should I care if the Palestinians don't? I won't be falling for that attempted manipulation as I don't have much sympathy for those who cry genocide for collateral damage after they swear to commit genocide themselves at the earliest opportunity.

#69 | POSTED BY CENSORED

You might not get this nuance but Iran, Hamas, Hezbollah and Israel can all do abhorrent things.

None of them are acting good right now.

Maybe America can use her influence to save 10s of thousands of children.

#72 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-04-13 10:56 PM | Reply

Maybe America can use her influence to save 10s of thousands of children. #72 | Posted by truthhurts

Maybe the Palestinians could. By turning on the terrorists hiding amongst them? But that would require the Palestinians to stop supporting those terrorists, so I guess not.

#73 | Posted by censored at 2024-04-13 11:07 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Iran has a right to defend itself........

#74 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2024-04-13 11:10 PM | Reply

America will back Israel even if they go full, "Final Solution" on Gaza and the West Bank.

What part of "No daylight between us,we stand shoulder to shoulder with Israel" is remotely ambiguous?

Israel is the US's Master,I don't know why, but it is.

They run the show and we do their bidding even when it's Genocide.

I know why Aaron Bushnell Immolated himself.

He couldn't bear the Weight of being a Part of that.

I don't admire Suicide, but he made it almost understandable even if tragically incomprehensible.

#75 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-04-13 11:11 PM | Reply

Are you guys saying Iran doesn't have a right to exist?

And have you condemned the Israelis for their attack on Iran?

#76 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2024-04-13 11:15 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Maybe America can use her influence to save 10s of thousands of children. #72 | Posted by truthhurts
Maybe the Palestinians could. By turning on the terrorists hiding amongst them? But that would require the Palestinians to stop supporting those terrorists, so I guess not.

#73 | POSTED BY CENSORED

Hamas is responsible, Israel is responsible, America is responsible.

You know who isn't responsible?

The 10's of thousands of dead children.

The 100's of thousands of children facing a famine.

There is absolutely NO justification for it.

#77 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-04-13 11:16 PM | Reply

It really is that simple

#78 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-04-13 11:17 PM | Reply

Ahhh Tres finally shows up. The Iranian people have a right to exist. They're government doesn't. Now let's see if Biden has the stones to do something about it.

#79 | Posted by Bluewaffles at 2024-04-13 11:26 PM | Reply

Iran launches retaliatory attack on Israel that risks sparking regional war
www.nbcnews.com

... Top U.S. officials are concerned that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu could quickly respond to Iran's attack without thinking through the potential fallout.

ran launched a retaliatory attack against Israel on Saturday that risks sparking a regional conflict involving U.S. military forces. The operation, which Israeli officials said included more than 200 missile and drones, marked the first time that Iran has launched a direct military attack on the Jewish state.

Several hours after the Iranian operation began, U.S. officials said that American forces in the region had shot down several Iranian drones and were attempting to shoot down Iranian missiles as well.

"U.S. forces in the region continue to shoot down Iranian-launched drones targeting Israel," a U.S. official told NBC News. "Our forces remain postured to provide additional defensive support and to protect U.S. forces operating in the region." ...


#80 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-13 11:32 PM | Reply

@#80 ... sparking a regional conflict involving U.S. military forces. ...

Uh-oh.

#81 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-13 11:32 PM | Reply

#79

What does Biden have to do with it?

It seems like the Iranians need to turn Israel into a parking lot.

And I hope that "frustrates" Joe Biden.

#82 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2024-04-13 11:38 PM | Reply

Who are You to decide that?

Israel is the one commiting War Crimes every day for six months

Killing 20 or more to one over their own losses.

Collective Punishment is a War crime.

It doesn't matter if it's Israel or the Islamic State.

Unless you're Joe Biden.

He's a Genocide enabler.

And still more tolerable on this than The Dotard.

I feel Totally unrepresented.

#83 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-04-13 11:39 PM | Reply

Gotta cut the grass sometimes, right?

#84 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2024-04-13 11:39 PM | Reply

You know who isn't responsible? The 10's of thousands of dead children. The 100's of thousands of children facing a famine. There is absolutely NO justification for it. #77 | Posted by truthhurts It really is that simple #78 | Posted by truthhurts

Yes, think of the children. The children their adults decided to use as pawns from the outset in the belief that would win the world's sympathy.

Sorry, I'm not simple-minded enough to fall for something so obvious and hacky.

Don't give up hope, though. It appears Hamas has found fertile ground in the Democratic party, with half deciding that they love gays/trans and Hamas. Looking forward to seeing how that turns out. Should be more entertaining than watching Israel finish up in Gaza.

#85 | Posted by censored at 2024-04-13 11:40 PM | Reply

#85 is describing Israel right now.

Why are they using all of their children as human shields in Israel right now, #85?

#86 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2024-04-13 11:43 PM | Reply

#83

Russian Stooge says what now?

#87 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-04-13 11:48 PM | Reply

Iran has more strategic depth than Israel.

Without the US, Israel would be less brave,less murderous.

Iran is close to a million square miles,Israel less than 9,000 square miles.

Iran has six times the population of Israel. It's a thousand year old culture.

That's just Islam. Really since the Neolithic.

The Israeli's are European Usurpers. Carpetbaggers really.

They will be shrugged off like fleas.

This is Crusader type Imperial and cultural expansion.

It won't survive the climate long term.

It's not a natural growth.

#88 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-04-13 11:51 PM | Reply

I agree with REINHEITSGEBOT, despite the fact that Iranian attacks were a complete and utter failure, likely on purpose because Iran lives in total fear ... .Israel should use this unprecedented provocation to destroy Irans ability to export petroleum products by crippling shipping infrastructure and refineries.

REINHEITSGEBOT goes a little far by saying Israel should use this attack as justification to destroy Iranian nuclear facilities, but I wouldn't disagree with that decision if Israel took that approach.

Gotta love Israel, they fight the war and the war only. Bush and Obama fought a political war with the media while they waged war. Neither were successful.

REINHEITSGEBOT Is right, Israel eliminated Hamas easily and within months.

#89 | Posted by CommonCents816 at 2024-04-13 11:52 PM | Reply

Now do Iran, will Israel eliminate them?

#90 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-04-13 11:57 PM | Reply

One of the most telling articles of this entire Israel/Palestinian conflict was the leader of Hamas, who mind you lives rich in Qatar lol, has had 3 sons, 8 grandchildren including a granddaughter, killed by the IDF in Gaza.

His response? We all have to make sacrifices ... .

While he respond from Qatar ... .

#91 | Posted by CommonCents816 at 2024-04-13 11:57 PM | Reply

What is -------------- smoking?

#92 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2024-04-13 11:57 PM | Reply

Something nobody wants unless they're already kinda simple and easily led to be the tools of others.

#93 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-04-14 12:02 AM | Reply

REINHEITSGEBOT - It's that dope new bud that tests out at 100%, the strain is called Owning You.

#94 | Posted by CommonCents816 at 2024-04-14 12:03 AM | Reply

the fact that Iranian attacks were a complete and utter failure

#89 | POSTED BY COMMONCENTS816

I hope they intercepted every $20,000 rocket that was fired tonight with the $200,000 rockets that the US provides.

That won't get old quick.... ;-)

#95 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2024-04-14 12:04 AM | Reply

Iran GDP - $415,000,000,000
USA GDP - $25,400,000,000,000

Lmao

#96 | Posted by CommonCents816 at 2024-04-14 12:08 AM | Reply

We scrape off $400 billion for Ukraine, that's the entire worth of Iran lmao.

Iran did this weak response on purpose. They're -------, just like our liberal whites here in America!

#97 | Posted by CommonCents816 at 2024-04-14 12:09 AM | Reply

Iran is a civilized country. Unlike Israel or the US.

They don't seek civilian deaths. Just to make a point.

Israel kills disproportionately and postures as the victim while doing it.

It's Nauseating and totally predictable.

Biden eats it up like candy.

He's too stupid to be president.

Bibi laughs at him while he takes the Bombs and Cash.

Children are being slaughtered to quench the thirst for Blood in Israel.

Gee, I wonder why they're so Hated?

#98 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-04-14 12:11 AM | Reply

It's gonna be hot when we hear how many Israelis were used as human shields.

#99 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2024-04-14 12:11 AM | Reply

Posted by --------------

Says the cripple who sniffs his mother's merkin.lol

#100 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2024-04-14 12:12 AM | Reply

The United States YEARLY national defense budget is nearly twice Irans entire dollar worth as a nation.

#101 | Posted by CommonCents816 at 2024-04-14 12:13 AM | Reply

I agree with EFFETEPOSER, after watching radical Muslim nations use civilians as shields during all previous wars, Israel was right to disregard that tactic and win every mission quickly.

Hamas was weak, had to have the civilian tactic work to even last.

Israel blasted them!

#102 | Posted by CommonCents816 at 2024-04-14 12:15 AM | Reply

Cool, #101.

If they shot down 2,000 missiles with $200,000 missiles....

Yeah, how long is dropping 4 billion USD a night sustainable?

#103 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2024-04-14 12:17 AM | Reply

I mean, we all know money isn't real, but this is surely going to prove it in a matter of days.

#104 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2024-04-14 12:18 AM | Reply

It seems like that tactic works well against warring jihadists. It was incredible how quickly President Cheeto Orange Hitler Micropenis Drumpf was able to destroy all of ISIS, like weeks right? While President Obama told us how to pronounce the terrorist organizations name and told us the occupied 90% of the territory ... .

#105 | Posted by CommonCents816 at 2024-04-14 12:19 AM | Reply

The Nazis did as Israel is currently doing.

Reprisal Murders, 10, 20, 100, Murdered in cold blood for every German death in Yugoslavia.

Looks uncomfortably similar to what the Israeli State is doing today doesn't it.

The Nazis were squashed like the disgusting bugs they were.

What do you think awaits the Israeli's?

Justice is slow,but over time it does occur.

Few Likud are sleeping well tonight.

#106 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-04-14 12:20 AM | Reply

TRES_FLECHAS - you're a dumb ass. What a pathetic while liberal response you just gave me.

Pathetic even for this site. REINHEITSGEBOT Is even above you, and he drools at family reunions.

#107 | Posted by CommonCents816 at 2024-04-14 12:20 AM | Reply

Nobody provides coherent responses here. I offer you solid and well written analysis and opinions, and you retreads respond about boofing my sister or something.

That's why you're all broke and miserable.

#108 | Posted by CommonCents816 at 2024-04-14 12:22 AM | Reply

I'm your Huckleberry.

Bring it on,your Game is pathetic.

#109 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-04-14 12:24 AM | Reply

$4 billion a night when cowardly Iran has already used a UN liaison to offer up to Israel "ok this can be the end ... ..right?"

LMAO Iran tanked this on purpose, and you hope they do it again tomorrow!

Unbelievable how stupid you people are in here. Amazing.

#110 | Posted by CommonCents816 at 2024-04-14 12:24 AM | Reply

#108

Why on earth would we want anything to do with your sister?

Your mouth and that chubby ------ is why I keep coming back.

It brings all of us bois to the the yard.

#111 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2024-04-14 12:24 AM | Reply

he drools at family reunions.

#107 | POSTED BY COMMONCENTS816

I drool at your family reunions.

Those ---- of your are enormous.

#112 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2024-04-14 12:27 AM | Reply

$4 billion

#110 | POSTED BY COMMONCENTS816

Yes.

Basic math.

$200,000,000 X 2,000 = what?

#113 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2024-04-14 12:28 AM | Reply

Sorry.

Extra set of zeros.

I got a little sweaty thinking about those man ----.

#114 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2024-04-14 12:29 AM | Reply

Lmao you can't even do basic math while weirdly trying to question my math skills when I never even argued the math.

I argued the logic, and you can't respond back logically.

The real pandemic is stupid liberal whites.

#115 | Posted by CommonCents816 at 2024-04-14 12:32 AM | Reply

"Sorry.

Extra set of zeros.

I got a little sweaty thinking about those man ----.

#114 | POSTED BY TRES_FLECHAS"

You're right, you are one sorry son of a bitch!

#116 | Posted by CommonCents816 at 2024-04-14 12:37 AM | Reply

As far as I'm concerned, Iran and Israel are both losers. Nobody ever comes out on top of these stupid conflicts that have gone on for hundreds of years. I don't even know why they hate each other so much when it's more profitable for everybody, if you want to reduce it to dollars and cents, to work together.

Nobody wants WWIII so why push it to the brink? I don't understand. What are they fighting for? Or about? Why all the fear? The mistrust? Where is all the hate coming from? This is the 21st Century, not the Dark Ages.

#117 | Posted by Twinpac at 2024-04-14 12:57 AM | Reply

He's been trying to sell the idea that he's tough on Israel to garner support from the Pro-Hamas wing of the party.

Talking out of your a-s again, I see.

Too obtuse to be able to differentiate between being pro-Palestinian without supporting Hamas. I challenge
He you to find the Pro-Hamas wing of the Democratic Party. Just because people aren't supportive of Netanyahu, doesn't make them pro-Hamas. Anti-genocide, sure. Not interested in seeing Palestinian civilians being murdered and starved, sure.

You Russia lovers are a piece of work.

#118 | Posted by chuffy at 2024-04-14 01:05 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The Dark ages came after many centuries of civilization.

Something to consider?

A New dark age is not impossible, modern technology won't prevent it.

It might even make it more likely.

#119 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-04-14 01:09 AM | Reply

When people are treated as expendable, a living Mass to be discarded,they often fight back.

Israel is on the wrong side of history here.

They are fighting for the Palestinians "right to exist".

Not Israel's.

Israel just wants it ALL.

They will end up with nothing, but grief.

A thousand years ago they could have made it work.

They're hoping that's true today.

It isn't.

#120 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-04-14 01:14 AM | Reply

As far as I'm concerned, Iran and Israel are both losers. Nobody ever comes out on top of these stupid conflicts that have gone on for hundreds of years. I don't even know why they hate each other so much when it's more profitable for everybody, if you want to reduce it to dollars and cents, to work together.
Nobody wants WWIII so why push it to the brink? I don't understand. What are they fighting for? Or about? Why all the fear? The mistrust? Where is all the hate coming from? This is the 21st Century, not the Dark Ages.

POSTED BY TWINPAC AT 2024-04-14 12:57 AM | REPLY

Religious arrogance. Each side thinks they are the only way to the promised land. As such they think they are the only ones entitled to the lands God ordained them to have. No different than Catholics vs Protestants. It's sad but what can you do.

#121 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-04-14 01:46 AM | Reply

LAURAMOHR

They'll be surprised when they die and find out that ALL their religious mumbo-jumbo turns out to be just another man-made farce played by control freaks.

Evolution gave one species the brain to figure out the difference between good and bad or right and wrong and a conscience to help make the decision. I don't know why anybody needs a religion for a crutch.

#122 | Posted by Twinpac at 2024-04-14 05:07 AM | Reply

4 of 380 got through.

Iran has 3000 missiles. That means they can hit all of Israel with 30.

Impotent is the word of the day.

#123 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-04-14 09:16 AM | Reply

[...] Nobody wants WWIII so why push it to the brink? I don't understand. What are they fighting for? Or about? Why all the fear? The mistrust?

I apologize for the length of my response, but you asked so I'm going to try to answer.

Jews have experienced varying levels of community acceptance, ranging from tolerance to outright genocide, during their 3,000 years of existence. Only today has their population in absolute numbers risen to what it was before the Holocaust, when 60% of all European Jews were exterminated. As a percent of world population, their numbers aren't even close and they now constitute only about 0.2%.

Jews have learned, repeatedly, that they are hated. Even if not hated at a particular moment in time (like right after the horrors of the concentration camps were revealed at the end WWII), they know that hatred will return, like we see today in the United States amongst some of the Democratic base and on this site. In the UK, where they are outnumbered by Muslims at about 15 to 1, 46% of Muslims sympathize with Hamas, so the writing is on the wall for the Jews, as usual.

Israel is the Jews' last stand, because they have learned that they cannot trust in anyone except themselves. I can't say that they're wrong and I can't really begrudge them for claiming 0.13% of the world's land for that purpose. Sucks for those others who claim that land as their own, but that's the way the cookie crumbles, both in the Middle East and in our own nation built on land we have taken from others.

Where is all the hate coming from? This is the 21st Century, not the Dark Ages. #117 | Posted by Twinpac
Israel is being attacked by Iran which, like pretty much the rest of the Muslim nations in that part of the world, has banished almost all Jews. Iran stones people to death for witchcraft, forbids women from basic autonomy like leaving the country without permission, and whip women in the streets. Sounds like the Dark Ages to me.

#124 | Posted by censored at 2024-04-14 09:23 AM | Reply

[...] What are they fighting for? Or about? #117 | Posted by Twinpac

A shorter answer: Iran would like Israel to stop existing. The Israelis do not appear to be on board.

#125 | Posted by censored at 2024-04-14 09:32 AM | Reply

#124 Why are innocent people in Palestine required to surrendered their property and freedoms for crimes committed thousands of miles away in Europe?

Germany was the right place to create Israel. They were the guilty party.

Why don't you donate your house and land to some some random Jews needing land and shelter? Why don't you let them kill your kids if you refuse?

Put your money where your mouth is, Fella.

It's easy to say other people should be stolen from and killed for the benefit of people they never harmed.

Israel was the Europeans purging Europe of unwanted people and foisting them on unwilling people who had nothing to do with the problems in Europe that led to their need for an place somewhere else.

I suggest you donate your property to them immediately.

They really need it.

#126 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-04-14 10:06 AM | Reply

#125 Do the Palestinians have the "right to exist"?

Do the Palestinians have the right to their property?

Just because wrongs were done to people in other parts of the world and they really want to live where the inconvenient natives already are doesn't mean they have any legitimate claims to those resources.

Only Violence. That's what Israel is, Land theft and Murder.

Violence that the locals unwillingly endure.

Pay the Palestinians reparations, give them equal rights within Israel, surely treating them as Equals is easier than endless war.

But the Israeli's are Cheap, and Bigoted. They want to steal and murder,not pay for what may not be for willing sale.

If the land isn't for sale, buy some in Germany,or the US and create their promised land there instead, on lands purchased from willing Sellers.

But that doesn't fit the Narrative of inevitability that the Zionists pushed to justify the Unjust.



#127 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-04-14 10:25 AM | Reply

@#9 ... What a complete and absolute failure of Western leadership. ...
How so?

-----

The U.S., U.K. and France could have condemned Israel's illegal bombing of Iran's embassy compound in Syria. They didn't, forcing Iran to invoke article 51 of the UN charter to legally respond militarily to israel's aggression.

In effect, the three western nations listed above nuked the "rules-based, international order" all for Israel's sake.

#128 | Posted by ExpectingReign at 2024-04-14 10:43 AM | Reply

Big Surprise... Not.

#129 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-04-14 10:48 AM | Reply

The message Iran sent was clear. It was effectively their way of informing the rest of the world that they can re-enact America's side of the Battle of Midway, with Israel being Japan.

It is significant that all of Iran's hypersonic missiles hit their respective targets.

It is also significant that Hezbollah largely sat this one out.

Last night, Israel's air defenses were significantly degraded. They are not sitting on an inexhaustible supply of $100,000 dollar missiles. If they decide to respond, which they are likely to do given their arrogance and the Western inability to get past their own short-sighted hubris to de-escalate in a significant manner, Iran has made it clear that they will completely overwhelm Israel's air defenses, especially when Hezbollah joins in.

#130 | Posted by ExpectingReign at 2024-04-14 10:52 AM | Reply

Only Western countries and Western Vassals are bound by the "Rules Based international order" everyone else is Victimized by it.

It's Expedience, not Order.

A figleaf for Imperial Crimes against Weaker nations.

#131 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-04-14 10:53 AM | Reply

For Truthhurts apparently Israel has no right to defend itself. Any and all actions toward that end are labeled genocide.

#132 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-04-14 11:08 AM | Reply

Did they hit anything?

#38 | POSTED BY REDIAL

Well they did hit a little girl. But none of the 300 drones/missiles could kill her.

Putinposer must be so proud of that little Israeli girl finally getting her ass whipped though.

#133 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-04-14 11:09 AM | Reply

You know who isn't responsible? The 10's of thousands of dead children. The 100's of thousands of children facing a famine. There is absolutely NO justification for it. #77 | Posted by truthhurts It really is that simple #78 | Posted by truthhurts
Yes, think of the children. The children their adults decided to use as pawns from the outset in the belief that would win the world's sympathy.
Sorry, I'm not simple-minded enough to fall for something so obvious and hacky.
Don't give up hope, though. It appears Hamas has found fertile ground in the Democratic party, with half deciding that they love gays/trans and Hamas. Looking forward to seeing how that turns out. Should be more entertaining than watching Israel finish up in Gaza.

#85 | POSTED BY CENSORED

How do you justify one nation killing 10s of thousands of children and using famine as a weapon of war?

Please be specific.

#134 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-04-14 11:18 AM | Reply

[...]In effect, the three western nations listed above nuked the "rules-based, international order" all for Israel's sake. #128 | Posted by ExpectingReign

You got anything to say about Iran commanding Hamas to rape and murder 1,200 Israeli civilian men, women and children? Or does your purported concern for "rules-based, international order" not extend that far?

Muslim jihadists concern-trolling over the rules of civilization, LOL!

#135 | Posted by censored at 2024-04-14 11:21 AM | Reply

For Truthhurts apparently Israel has no right to defend itself. Any and all actions toward that end are labeled genocide.

#132 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

I've made my position quite clear you lying piece of ----.

Hamas and Hezbollah and Israel are all doing heinous things.

Hamas and Hezbollah's actions do not justify the killing of 10s of thousands of children and using famine as a weapon of war.

Now lets see you justify Israel's actions.

You won't because you're a piece of ---- troll.

#136 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-04-14 11:24 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You got anything to say about Iran commanding Hamas to rape and murder 1,200 Israeli civilian men, women and children? Or does your purported concern for "rules-based, international order" not extend that far?
Muslim jihadists concern-trolling over the rules of civilization, LOL!

#135 | POSTED BY CENSORED

Who commanded Israel to kill 10s of thousands of children and to use famine as a weapon of war?

#137 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-04-14 11:26 AM | Reply

EXPECTINGREIGN @ #130

The whole world saw something completely different.

I don't mean to frighten you but first thing tomorrow you should see a psychologist in the field of imagining things that never happened.

#138 | Posted by Twinpac at 2024-04-14 11:29 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

How do you justify one nation killing 10s of thousands of children and using famine as a weapon of war? Please be specific. #134 | Posted by truthhurts

Ignoring your specific numbers, you can read up on the concepts if you want:
Civilian casualty ratio
Human shield

If you don't like Hamas hiding behind civilians, you should write them a strongly-worded letter. And maybe tell the Palestinians to stop supporting them.

Israel? Israel will do what it needs to do to protect itself.

#139 | Posted by censored at 2024-04-14 11:29 AM | Reply

Israel bombs Iran without reasons because of Paranoid fear.

They attack a Consulate in a third party country illegally, but somehow, this is Iran's crime and not theirs?

Iranians Bleed Red too.

Their lives are just as precious as Israeli lives.

Or are they?

When will the Western countries start the Sanctions on Israel for illegal aggression?

Does Iran have the "right to exist"? The right to self defense?

Why is Israel "More Equal" than other countries?

Previous victimhood isn't Carte Blanche for Aggression when it's anyone but Israel, what makes them special?

If the West feels so guilty about the Holocaust why don't they surrender some prime real estate to Israel for a new colony?

Westchester New York and Hesse Germany would be fabulous places for a Jewish State.

Any Willing Takers?

#140 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-04-14 11:30 AM | Reply

You do realize that someone using someone as a human shield does not justify killing 10s of thousands of children and using famine as a weapon of war. You understand that, right?

Let's start with something extremely basic.

Is it right or wrong to intentionally starve a child?

Until you can provide a yes or no to that question any debate with you is pointless.

#141 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-04-14 11:32 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Israel? Israel will do what it needs to do to protect itself.

#139 | POSTED BY CENSORED

How is killing children protecting themselves?

How is starving children protecting themselves?

How is seizing land from Palestinians protecting themselves?

#142 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-04-14 11:33 AM | Reply

Truth,

You post like a 10 year old.

#143 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-04-14 11:39 AM | Reply

Until you can provide a yes or no to that question any debate with you is pointless. #141 | Posted by truthhurts
OK. From the Human Shield wiki I gave you, but didn't quote for the sake of brevity: "the position of the United States Department of Defense (as well as the United Kingdom and some scholars) that attackers may discount or disregard collateral harm in determining proportionality"

How is killing children protecting themselves? How is starving children protecting themselves?
See above.

How is seizing land from Palestinians protecting themselves? #142 | Posted by truthhurts
You mean, by taking land from which the enemy is, or could, launch attacks? It's a mystery to me.

#144 | Posted by censored at 2024-04-14 11:41 AM | Reply

Iranians Bleed Red too.

Hopefully.

Their lives are just as precious as Israeli lives.

Or are they?

It's a war moron. No individual life is "precious" in a war.

This is why we like to avoid wars. Because once one starts all bets are off.

Time to grow up now little Poser.

It's a big world for such a little Poser.

#145 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-04-14 11:48 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

#135 Hamas is not Iran.

You know that, right? Hamas has agency. They act on their own initiative.

Seek help, you're delusional. It won't get better without treatment.

Israel should relocate to a willing location and stop persecuting and killing people for existing on lands, they Covet.

Is your house available? Are you willing to just give it up without compensation at the point of a gun?

That's what you think the Palestinians should be required to endure without complaining or resisting.

Like I said before, You're Delusional.

#146 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-04-14 11:49 AM | Reply

#148 Great snark dude, got anything of substance?

You know no more than me or anyone else on this forum. Your opinions are just that, opinions which may or may not be correct.

Mine likewise.

But ask yourself this, If strange people showed up at your front door,armed and ready to kill your entire family to take what you have without redress or discussion,would you resist?

Why do you expect the Palestinians to endure something I'm pretty sure you never would?

Why is their "right to exist" negated by the Israeli's desire for what they have?

Got anything on that?

Or is fatuous snark all you have?

Remember,the right to resist illegal occupation and theft is international law.

#147 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-04-14 11:56 AM | Reply

It's a war moron. No individual life is "precious" in a war. [...] #145 | Posted by donnerboy

#148 | Posted by censored at 2024-04-14 11:58 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Censored,why are you afraid to engage me directly?

Especially if I'm as stupid as you think?

You used to. What changed?

I miss our old conversations.

When you used endless Invective to bludgeon your points across so effectively.

It made for deeply illuminating dialogue.

#149 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-04-14 12:08 PM | Reply

Since you are incapable or unwilling t state whether intentionally starving children is right or wrong debating u is pointless

#150 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-04-14 12:10 PM | Reply

Bill you mean I answer questions posed to me? That type of posting?

#151 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-04-14 12:11 PM | Reply

Censored,

FYI I'm the one giving you the funny flags. It's because your sarcasm is making me laugh.

#152 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-04-14 12:11 PM | Reply

The concept of human shields is completely foreign to Truthhurts.

#153 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-04-14 12:13 PM | Reply

You're Delusional.

#146 | Posted by Effeteposer

speaking of "precious".

After all the delusional rantings HeSheThey posted here Tiny Poser is calling someone else Delusional.

Now that is precious!

#154 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-04-14 12:28 PM | Reply

Someone using someone as a human shield does not justify killing children to get at the terrorist
Btw what does using famine as a weapon of war got to do with human shields?

#155 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-04-14 12:30 PM | Reply

That's what I thought

#156 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-04-14 12:42 PM | Reply

Biden Tells Bibi: US Will Not Support A Counterattack Against Iran After Hundreds Of Drones, Missiles Sent

"You got a win. Take the win," Biden told Netanyahu.

Minstrels! Craft us a song!

O-o-oh,
Brave! Brave! Sir Biden!
When dan-ger reared it's ug-ly head,
Sir Bi-den turned his tail-and fled!
Brave! Brave! sir Robin!
-ette

#157 | Posted by fatboomboom at 2024-04-14 12:47 PM | Reply

#157

Of course, Biden tries to deescalate and you call him a wimp. If he were to say sure go ahead and attack then he would be a warmongering child murderer. He literally can not win with you people.

#158 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2024-04-14 12:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

>Ayatollah Cornpop issues direct challenge
>Brave Sir Bibi responds by attacking little brother Lebanon

#159 | Posted by fatboomboom at 2024-04-14 12:58 PM | Reply

He literally can not win

is right

#160 | Posted by fatboomboom at 2024-04-14 12:59 PM | Reply

The fact is ziolandia are terrified of Iran.

They can only sucker-punch an embassy then beat up on little brother some more, hiding behind US.

#161 | Posted by fatboomboom at 2024-04-14 01:04 PM | Reply

#154 I still see no real response. Just snark and evasions.

Would you resist if you were in the Palestinian's position?

Would you fight the Usurpers or just do whatever is required of you by your self appointed Masters?

You were a fighting man? Weren't you?

Would you fight in that set of circumstances?

If not, why not?

If the Palestinians should just accept greater force and surrender when it's obvious they can't prevail, is that true for Ukraine as well?

Why does the US spend so much money and human effort on picking winners?

Why doe it back certain horses in races it has no stake in?

I'm confused, thought Freedom was the Great Shining Fetish,with human rights as an especially important condition for assistance. Israel has been violating human rights everyday for generations. Why is that Okay for them and not others? Is it Tribal loyalty? Or is it something else?

When really it's just Raw Bigoted Tribalism, as primitive and Stupid as it gets,that determines who is "worthy" or not.

Russia Bad, Iran Bad, Israel Good, Ukraine Good.

Who decides this? I certainly wasn't asked MY opinions.

A policy of doing as little as possible would do the the least harm.

It's cheaper too. In money and lives lost.

"Let us not go abroad in search of monsters to slay,but tend to our own gardens".

"Entangling foreign alliances are to be avoided".

John Quincy Adams was the first quote.

George Washington, the second.

Were they wrong?

#162 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-04-14 01:08 PM | Reply

- Russia Bad, Iran Bad, Israel Good, Ukraine Good.

Russia invaded Ukraine, Iran allowed Hamas to attack Israel.

You seem to have a real problem with fact and perspective.

#163 | Posted by Corky at 2024-04-14 01:12 PM | Reply

Please be nice to EFFETEPOSER - He's retarded.

#164 | Posted by CommonCents816 at 2024-04-14 01:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You got nothing, you don't agree? Fine.

But at least try to answer on point instead of deflecting and name calling because you can't really answer cogently.

#165 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-04-14 01:34 PM | Reply

#154 I still see no real response. Just snark and evasions.

Because honestly there is really no point.

When I am walking down the street and I see a raving lunatic waving his arms and yelling nonsense into the air I never feel the need to engage in a debate with them either.

When you actually make a valid point and don't encase it in nonsense I might actually engage with you.

Otherwise it's point and laugh at the loonie.

And you make it so ez.

#166 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-04-14 02:23 PM | Reply

Why is the fact I don't agree with you "loony"?

Not agreeing isn't irrational.

You are hiding from responding because you can't, on Point, without logical contradictions. Just admit it.

Would you fight in the Palestinian's position? Is not a loony question.

It's a legitimate attempt to understand your views.

You insulting me and demeaning my opinions is not a strong argument.

It is a cowardly refusal to engage because you have obvious logical flaws in the response you would give.

I don't know what your honest answer would be.

Respectfully,I ask you. Is Israel somehow exempt from International Law?

Do the Palestinians have the same right to resist aggression and oppression that the Ukrainians do?

Why is the West so against Iran? Or for that matter Russia and China?

These are not loony questions.

Can you answer with any real substance? I'm not insulting you. I'm genuinely interested in knowing why the obvious contradictions in foreign policy exist.

I'll be honest it looks arbitrary and Bigoted to me.

#167 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-04-14 02:36 PM | Reply

I think I will side with the nation that does not have giant racist propaganda posters spread thourghout their cities detailing how they will destroy another nation just because they are filed with Jews, Christians or Americans. How many Jews are allowed to live in Iran? Yet, here is EFFEORTTRAITOR coming on here giving them an "Ata Boy" for their weak ass attempt at killing Jewish people yet again this time not through their proxies terrorist groups Hamas, Hezbollah and Yemen. If you hate America so much EFFORTTRAITOR why do you not give live with these cave dwelling gang raping scumbags? The reason the Israelis whacked that embassy was because that embassy was packed with generals and secret service murderers that were ordering their proxies to attack Israel. I dare say when any US embassy gets attacked any where in the world you will also cheer. I think it is high time that the FBI give you a visit if you are really an American in the USA that is.

#168 | Posted by Wildman62 at 2024-04-14 02:42 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

The whole world saw something completely different.
#138 | POSTED BY TWINPAC

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The only thing that matters is how it is perceived by Israel.

#169 | Posted by ExpectingReign at 2024-04-14 02:44 PM | Reply

Why is the West so against Iran? Or for that matter Russia and China?

These are not loony questions.

Yes, they are. You have lost touch with reality (if you ever had it).

If you are too lazy to learn US and world history I certainly don't have the time to teach it to you.

#170 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-04-14 02:46 PM | Reply

" Do the Palestinians have the same right to resist aggression and oppression"

Tell us how massacring young adults at a music festival is resisting aggression and oppression.

#171 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-04-14 02:47 PM | Reply

Do the Palestinians have the same right to resist aggression and oppression

They don't have the weapons.

#172 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-04-14 02:55 PM | Reply

The message Iran sent was clear. It was effectively their way of informing the rest of the world that they can re-enact America's side of the Battle of Midway, with Israel being Japan.

It is significant that all of Iran's hypersonic missiles hit their respective targets.

It is also significant that Hezbollah largely sat this one out.

Last night, Israel's air defenses were significantly degraded. They are not sitting on an inexhaustible supply of $100,000 dollar missiles. If they decide to respond, which they are likely to do given their arrogance and the Western inability to get past their own short-sighted hubris to de-escalate in a significant manner, Iran has made it clear that they will completely overwhelm Israel's air defenses, especially when Hezbollah joins in.

#130 | POSTED BY EXPECTINGREIGN

I guess the Israelis will just have to nuke Iran.
You have not a clue as to what you write on this topic.
Israel is a modern state that leads the world in military tech in many areas and Iran is not.
I know who I am placing my money on and that would not be the crazy religious fools in Iran.

#173 | Posted by Wildman62 at 2024-04-14 03:00 PM | Reply

When a nation-state or regime has been successfully deterred from rash or criminal action it will not proclaim it proudly to the rest of world. On the contrary, it will seek to assuage its bruised ego by other means.

Unfortunately, those who will bear the brunt of any "revenge" will be the women and children and the economic, social, and cultural infrastructure of Palestine. Israel has proven its growing expertise in oppressing, maiming, and slaughtering children and women for many years and they will probably use this opportunity to (again) wage war against these unarmed and vulnerable targets.

#174 | Posted by ExpectingReign at 2024-04-14 03:04 PM | Reply

All these so-called "progressives" on here whining about "babies dying and starving" are pretty dull. Hamas could surrender and this would all end. Naw, keep on supporting people that would rather see them dead or living a live of sexual slavery if they are pretty. Do you know how many "babies dying and starving" it took for the USA, Russia and others to defeat the Nazis or fascist Japanese? I guess you think war is all about somehow killing your enemy by not killing their families. Yes, it is bad...hell really but it is what it is and you are defending people that hate your guts no matter how much whining you do in their cause.

#175 | Posted by Wildman62 at 2024-04-14 03:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Israel doesn't wantonly murder Palestinian babies, children, and women in order to win the war.
Israel wantonly murders Palestinian babies, children, and women because they CAN'T win the war.

#176 | Posted by ExpectingReign at 2024-04-14 03:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#171 Tell me how keeping two million people behind barbed wire and military checkpoints and shooting them by the thousands for standing too close to the fence is not Illegal Oppression?

Collective Punishment and slow starvation even in "peacetime".

Oppression that is punctuated by periodic bombings and other military attacks known as "mowing the grass" by the criminals doing it.

Hamas resisted,the slow strangulation of their constituents. The decades of deliberate and illegal Apartheid and land theft.

Their choice of targets was perhaps crude and Opportunistic but not really surprising given the terrible crimes committed against them for years and years.

I have yet to hear any justification for Israeli crimes that didn't somehow involve dehumanizing the Palestinians and denying the reality of the wrongs done to them by the Zionist Usurpers. One often hears the Israeli leadership deny the existence of Palestinians as A True People.

But the same Bigots loudly proclaim the right of Israel to defend itself from them.

Any other country doing what Israel has for the past 70 years would not be seen as legitimate. Certainly not protected and paid handsomely to continue the crimes unabated.

Why the Double Standard?

I see Cultural fear of and hatred for Islam as the underlying force driving this.

Given that, is it surprising they Fight?

Especially given that they were the ones just minding their own business harming no one before the Usurpers arrived and started the whole thing.

If you want to steal and kill,expect resistance, especially from The people you're doing it to.

And don't expect sympathy and money from observers and outsiders who don't like what you're doing.

That only lasts so long if you get Medieval and excessive about your Crimes.

Israel Passed that threshold decades ago.

#177 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-04-14 03:15 PM | Reply

How many Jews are allowed to live in Iran?

According to the Tehran Jewish Committee, the population includes approximately 9,000 Jews, while a member of the community estimated their number at 20,000 during a 2021 visit to the United States.

Jews in the Islamic Republic of Iran are formally to be treated equally and free to practice their religion. There is even a seat in the Iranian parliament reserved for the representative of the Iranian Jews.

#178 | Posted by fatboomboom at 2024-04-14 03:15 PM | Reply

WTF, I go to a Capitals game, get drunk, pass out, wake up and all hell has broken loose!!!

"I think it is high time that the FBI give you a visit if you are really an American in the USA that is."

LMFAO, sicking the FBI on someone for not liking Israel. How American! WildemascualtedMan, you are no doubt the biggest ----- on this site, and that's saying a hell-of-a-lot.

#179 | Posted by pumpkinhead at 2024-04-14 03:23 PM | Reply

You really do have to hand it to Brandon

"Don't"

That was the very best that spineless bag of bones could come up with

Looks like Iran certainly paid attention.....Oh wait...

#180 | Posted by Javelin at 2024-04-14 03:23 PM | Reply

"That was the very best that spineless bag of bones could come up with"

Like I mentioned the other day, America will never go to war with the Iranian homeland to protect a bunch of entitled, bloodthirsty maniacs who believe they are special based on genocidal rants from their 3000-year-old scripture. Too much at stake regionally and globally. This is not Biden's assessment-- His brain is pudding. This is the US military's assessment.

BTWAFYI, if Trump was in office and tried to go to war with the Iranian homeland, I'm sure the military would make him see the error of his ways with one of the many options at their disposal.

#181 | Posted by pumpkinhead at 2024-04-14 03:35 PM | Reply

Israel wantonly murders Palestinian babies, children, and women because they CAN'T win the war.

#176 | POSTED BY EXPECTINGREIGN

Hmmm. Wantonly! Like they "wantonly" wanted to have to do this.

Welcome to hell. It's a war and war is hell.

Maybe we don't agree on what "winning" means. But if you go by body count (and who doesn't in a war?) and destruction of property and resources Israelis sure seems to be "winning".

And if you go by the amount of PutinPosers whining then Israel is definitely winning.

#182 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-04-14 03:47 PM | Reply

#182 Militarism leads to the kind of worldview you espouse.

I actually feel sorry for you, living in that darkness. Unable to see the facts staring you in the face everyday because of the conflict facing them would entail.

Censored is Gone,.. a Sick man lost in Bloodlust and irrational fear.

You are not that. I see a person of Concience in you. Someone who actually thinks things thru, until it gets too uncomfortable.

Aaron Bushnell thought it through and refused to live.

He faced the contradictions, but perhaps he shouldn't have.

He was worth far more alive than dead.

Good luck to you sir.

#183 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-04-14 04:07 PM | Reply

Maybe we don't agree on what "winning" means. But if you go by body count (and who doesn't in a war?) and destruction of property and resources Israelis sure seems to be "winning".
#182 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

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Israel's main resource has always been global sympathy. Sympathy earned by the blood of historical victims in some of the most heinous crimes of modern history. Ask yourself- has that sympathy remained the same, been bolstered, or has it eroded since the events of October 7th? And, when all is said and done, is that loss negated by the deaths of 30,000 babies, children, and women and the complete destruction of a poverty-stricken area of the world not much bigger geographically than Las Vegas?

But I would agree that the true definition of "winning" is only determined after one side has actually "won".

#184 | Posted by expectingreign at 2024-04-14 04:46 PM | Reply

The Abraham Accords are working out so well Slumlord Jared deserves another $2 billion.

#17 | POSTED BY REINHEITSGEBOT AT 2024-04-13 06:22 PM | FLAG: | NEWSWORTHY Was not aware that terrorists organizations had signed onto the Accords...

#185 | Posted by MSgt at 2024-04-14 05:04 PM | Reply

"Aaron Bushnell thought it through and refused to live."

And what a total waste of a life that was. So we should all just go set ourselves on fire and die because we don't like the way a war is going? Yeah that was so helpful!

Meanwhile Chef Andre saw the very same things and decided use his life and his energies and his resources to try and help.

At least some of us are still willing to die trying to help rather than whine or just give up.

#186 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-04-14 05:23 PM | Reply

Anyone else see the pathetic spectacle of IDF Spokesperson John Fetterman (D-Genocide) on CNN, thirsting for blood?

That stroke and near-suicidal mental breakdown really did him a major turn. When the doctors and king's men rebuilt him, they apparently transplanted his brain with his own rectal vent.

#187 | Posted by pumpkinhead at 2024-04-14 05:28 PM | Reply

Was not aware that terrorists organizations had signed onto the Accords...

#185 | POSTED BY MSGT

Trumpy was not capable or even interested nor did he have a clue how to help the Palestinians.

President Trump called it (the Abraham Accords) a win-win" for both sides; Palestinian leaders immediately rejected it.

#188 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-04-14 05:29 PM | Reply

Eff,

"Why is the West so against Iran? Or for that matter Russia and China?"

Why are Russia, China and Iran against the West?

Could be the West is standing in their way of global domination ignoring human rights.

#189 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-04-14 05:47 PM | Reply

But I would agree that the true definition of "winning" is only determined after one side has actually "won".

#184 | POSTED BY EXPECTINGREIGN

Agreed.

Currently Israel is invading and destroying its enemy while Israel remains intact.

Gaza is being reduced to rubble. Hamas is getting diminished and destroyed and reduced to hit and run attacks and hiding in bunkers.

Time will tell but Israel, by most analysts, is obviously currently "winning" the ground war and this failed attack by Iran will ensure Congress votes to resupply Israel.

The PR war is another matter.

But the Iranians weakass attack is a huge PR victory for Israel.

#190 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-04-14 05:49 PM | Reply

DONNERBOY

Agreed!

What I saw was a lot of wasted money as Iran's drones and missiles got popped out of the air like clay pigeons. I don't think any of them even left a pock mark on Israeli ground.

#191 | Posted by Twinpac at 2024-04-14 06:06 PM | Reply

Agreed! What I saw was a lot of wasted money as Iran's drones and missiles got popped out of the air like clay pigeons. I don't think any of them even left a pock mark on Israeli ground. #191 | Posted by Twinpac

Yeah. This was just Iran's attempt to save face by putting on a show after Israel humiliated them with the consulate attack. Same as when Trump took out Soleimani and Iran responded by attacking US bases in Iraq, but leaked that the attacks were incoming in order to minimize American casualties.

Typical wife-beating, cuck behavior by Iran. Acts tough at home and gets their clock cleaned in public.

#192 | Posted by censored at 2024-04-14 06:27 PM | Reply

You feel bad about civilian collateral damage? Take it up with Iran, Hamas, and the rest of the Palestinians. Since that is what they were looking for.
#69 | POSTED BY CENSORED

Why is Israel giving Iran what Iran is looking for?
And, why does that seem like a good idea to you?

#193 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-14 06:40 PM | Reply

CENSORED

Most likely Iran got President Biden's drift when he told them, "Be very, very careful where you aim."

Meaning, of course, that the U.S. would be all over Iran like ugly on an ape if a missile "accidentally" struck a U.S. military base in Israel.

And then President Biden told Netanyahu, "You don't have our support if you retaliate."

Thankfully, President Biden's cooler head prevailed.

#194 | Posted by Twinpac at 2024-04-14 07:04 PM | Reply

It is possible to believe both that Hamas is a terrorist organization and that Israel has brought a lot of their trouble on themselves.

#195 | Posted by e1g1 at 2024-04-14 07:14 PM | Reply

E1G1

I can believe that. What's never been explained is what did Netanyahu do to make Hamas turn on the hand that was feeding them?

#196 | Posted by Twinpac at 2024-04-14 07:42 PM | Reply

I can believe that. What's never been explained is what did Netanyahu do to make Hamas turn on the hand that was feeding them? #196 | Posted by Twinpac

"Why Hamas Tried to Sabotage Arab-Israeli Peace Prospects With a Massive Unprovoked Attack [...] by all accounts, Israel, Saudi Arabia, and the United States were inching closer towards a transformative three-way deal, which would have seen Israel and Saudi formally recognize each other within a security, defense, and economic partnership with the U.S. [...] Iran's biggest rival in the region is Saudi Arabia with military, diplomatic, cultural, and religious hostilities dividing them. The prospect of Saudi recognition of Israeli sovereignty after 75 years of statehood would have undercut Iran's voice in the Islamic world while uniting two of Iran's foes. Iran has always been Hamas' single largest sponsor, providing 70% of the financing for Hamas including upwards of $100 million in military aid every year in addition to military training and humanitarian assistance. It is highly unlikely that Hamas' invasion of Israel could have happened without at least tacit support from Iran, whose regime was celebrating the attacks on Israel openly on Saturday with impromptu fireworks and festivals. As Iranian-American author-journalist Roya Hakakian noted to us, "Iran needed this conflict very badly."
time.com

So Iran attacked Israel for attempting to make peace with its neighbors. And the bleeding heart westerners are falling for Iran and Hamas's efforts to sabotage that peace process.

#197 | Posted by censored at 2024-04-14 08:28 PM | Reply

E1,

"Israel has brought a lot of their trouble on themselves"

You mean by existing?

#198 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-04-14 08:39 PM | Reply

Why isn't Israel in Europe?

The Germans love Israel so much because it's NOT IN EUROPE.

If they put Israel in the best part of Germany as compensation for the Holocaust,that would be justified.

Forcing it on innocent people minding their own business far away from the crimes is not justified.

Why do the Europeans get to be Jew Free. After what they did.

They should have put Israel in Brandenburg to punish the Germans.

Instead they Put a curse on innocent people in Palestine.

No wonder the Germans love Israel so much.

#199 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-04-14 09:16 PM | Reply

#199

Perhaps because Israel predates Palestine by more than a thousand years.

"By more than 1,000 years, "Israel" predates "Palestine." The land then became home primarily to an Arab population, again for more than a millennium. Both Jews and Arabs thus have a legitimate claim to the land. The Israeli-Palestinian conflict has seen myriad wrongs and brutalities on both sides."

theconversation.com

There aren't any good guys in this current conflict.

#200 | Posted by Corky at 2024-04-14 09:41 PM | Reply

"Why do the Europeans get to be Jew Free. After what they did."

Holy crap. Are you still ranting? And you wonder why I called you a loonie? That's some serious lunacy right there ... plain and simple.

What did "Europe" do? And btw ... Europe is not "Jew Free" whatever the frack that is supposed to mean.

There are over a million Jews still living in Europe. America has 6.3 million. What did we do? We saved them from genocide that's what we did! And they repay us by moving here? Holy WTF Batman! (J/K)

And Germany is not Europe. It is one country that is now part the European Union.

As of 2023, the world's core Jewish population (those identifying as Jews above all else) was estimated at 15.7 million, which is approximately 0.2% of the 8 billion worldwide population. Israel hosts the largest core Jewish population in the world with 7.2 million, followed by the United States with 6.3 million. Other countries with core Jewish populations above 100,000 include France (440,000), Canada (398,000), the United Kingdom (312,000), Argentina (171,000), Russia (132,000), Germany (125,000), and Australia (117,200).

#201 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-04-14 09:42 PM | Reply

CENSORED @ 197

Thanks for that briefing. I really wasn't paying much attention until Hamas attacked Israel. Now I see things much more clearly . . . except for this:

"And the bleeding heart westerners are falling for Iran and Hamas's efforts to sabotage that peace process."

It seems to me that "westerners" (by that I assume you mean President Biden) is doing everything he can to keep a lid on an expanding conflict that has the potential to drag the United States into a reginal war.

So, . . . if as you say, "Israel, Saudi Arabia, and the United States were inching closer towards a transformative three-way deal," how can this "And the bleeding heart westerners are falling for Iran and Hamas's efforts to sabotage that peace process" also be true.

IOW, why would the U.S. try to sabotage a deal that they're part of sponsoring?

Do I understand you correctly? Are you saying that you think the United States should have backed Israel's retaliation instead of cooling their jets.

#202 | Posted by Twinpac at 2024-04-15 05:36 AM | Reply

"#171 Tell me how..."

Easy. The answer to every one of your questions is embedded in Article 13.

Here's a hint from the big kids' table: If your central tenet is our genocide, you have de facto forced us into the same stance.

Now...

...enjoy your pudding, and don't stay up past your bedtime.

#203 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-04-15 06:28 AM | Reply

Just for future reference, here is an article that explains what Iran was up against when the launched their air attack on Israel.

What in the world were they thinking?

theintercept.com ~ Israeli conflict spread to 16 nations.

In case you don't want to read the article, here's an excerpt:

While the world has been focused on " and the Pentagon has been stressing " the comings and goings of aircraft carriers and fighter jets to serve as a "deterrent" against Iran, the U.S. has quietly built a network of air defenses to fight its regional war. "At my direction, to support the defense of Israel, the U.S. military moved aircraft and ballistic missile defense destroyers to the region over the course of the past week," President Joe Biden said in a statement Saturday. "Thanks to these deployments and the extraordinary skill of our servicemembers, we helped Israel take down nearly all of the incoming drones and missiles."

As part of that network, Army long-range Patriot and Terminal High Altitude Area Defense surface-to-air missile batteries have been deployed in Iraq, Kuwait, the United Arab Emirates, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, and at the secretive Site 512 base in Israel. These assets " plus American aircraft based in Kuwait, Jordan, the UAE, Qatar, and Saudi Arabia " are knitted together in order to communicate and cooperate with each other to provide a dome over Israel (and its own regional bases). The United Kingdom is also intimately tied into the regional war network, while additional countries such as Bahrain have purchased Patriot missiles to be part of the network.

#204 | Posted by Twinpac at 2024-04-15 06:37 AM | Reply

I repeat, what kind of Mission Impossible was Iran thinking?

And yes, I understand that Iran was already too deep in the weeds to back down from their threats without looking like total wussies, but didn't they have a network of intelligence services telling them what to expect BEFORE they made their ominous threats, not only against Israel but also against the United States?

#205 | Posted by Twinpac at 2024-04-15 06:54 AM | Reply

[...] Do I understand you correctly? Are you saying that you think the United States should have backed Israel's retaliation instead of cooling their jets. #202 | Posted by Twinpac

As DonnerBoy said in #182, war is hell.

War sucks. The Palestinians should have thought of that before they started this one by slaughtering/raping 1,200 Israeli civilian men, women, and children. But in reality, they did think of it. It was actually their goal to provoke a response and then sacrifice their own civilians as collateral damage to spark international outrage against Israel.

I think we need to call it for what it is. Israel defending itself against Iran and its puppet Palestinians trying to sabotage peace by manipulating international (not just the US) feels.

The only power Hamas and Iran has over us is making us lament over the Palestinian civilians they put in harm's way. Personally, I refuse to reward them for that strategy as it will only encourage more of the same.

#206 | Posted by censored at 2024-04-15 08:56 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"The only power Hamas and Iran has over us is making us lament over the Palestinian civilians they put in harm's way."

Hamas didn't put any civilians in Gaza.

#207 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-15 09:05 AM | Reply

They just use them as convenient shields.

#208 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-04-15 10:00 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Treating little kids like sandbags on a fighting position.

#209 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-04-15 10:01 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

They just use them as convenient shields. #208 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-04-15 10:00 AM | Reply | Flag:

Treating little kids like sandbags on a fighting position.#209 | Posted by sitzkrieg

Saw a video of Hamas escorting on foot a car they were moving in Gaza. The Hamas soldiers stood about 50 feet away from the car, but they had a Palestinian woman and child walk right beside it. No surprise that the woman and child didn't do so great when Israel took out the car.

And we're supposed to think that Israel is somehow to blame for those deaths? Yeah, no.

#210 | Posted by censored at 2024-04-15 10:45 AM | Reply

Yeah they are. They should have left the car alone.

#211 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-04-15 10:51 AM | Reply

They should have left the car alone.

#211 | POSTED BY EFFETEPOSER

Easy for you to say, Major General Poser, sitting there comfortably behind your computer.

Hamas should have left those 1,200 Israelis alone and not taken hundreds of hostages (many of which they are still holding hostage) .

#212 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-04-15 11:00 AM | Reply

Censored, FYI I'm the one giving you the funny flags. It's because your sarcasm is making me laugh.
#152 | Posted by BellRinger

Thanks! I don't think I see them on the Recently Flagged page though.

I think flags may not work on certain browsers or mobile, or something ... I sometimes have to log in on desktop to make my feelings heard. :)

#213 | Posted by censored at 2024-04-15 11:41 AM | Reply

#212 Israel has been holding tens of thousands of Palestinians in "preventive detention" AKA hostages, many for years,without charges ever being brought against them. Many of them teens,many also sexually and physically abused.

Israel has no moral high ground. They have no more "right to exist" as currently constituted than Nazi Germany did. Or apartheid South Africa did. IMHO.

#214 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-04-15 12:04 PM | Reply

lol. The moral ground of Iran is so low they had to contact Turkey in advance, to tell everybody else when and where the strike would be, so it could be intercepted.

If they don't "do something!", there would be a coup.

Just like last time when they hit the US base, and called ahead to let us know.

#215 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-04-15 12:52 PM | Reply

Just like last time when they hit the US base, and called ahead to let us know.
#215 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

This attack?

Three US troops killed in drone attack in Jordan, more than 30 injured
January 29, 2024

www.cnn.com

#216 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-15 12:54 PM | Reply

Nope. There's so many done by their surrogates it's hard to keep up with them all, but this is the one actually carried out by Iran when Trump had Soleimani executed with a hellfire in Iraq, after a bunch of similar to attacks like the one you referenced.

#217 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-04-15 01:36 PM | Reply

www.spiegel.de

Here is what the Arab Sunni nations are writing about Iran's big failure of an attack.

#218 | Posted by Wildman62 at 2024-04-15 01:49 PM | Reply

"Israel has no moral high ground."

And in your mind Iran and their proxies including Hamas do?

Sounds like a stalemate to me in that department.

#219 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-04-15 02:48 PM | Reply

Yet you side with the Usurpers.

Why is that?

Obviously you think Israel has more moral high ground.

For probably tribal or otherwise not logical reasons, but to be fair, I don't know that.

Care to share why Israel is so much more moral than Iran?

#220 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-04-15 03:42 PM | Reply

Post about Jordan defending Israel. drudge.com

Post about Saudi Arabia defending Israel, along with the UAE and possibly Iraq. And Saudi Arabia saying that Iran caused the Gaza war to stop it from normalizing relations with Israel. drudge.com

#221 | Posted by censored at 2024-04-15 08:41 PM | Reply

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