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US Insurers Use Drone Photos to Deny Home Insurance Policies
Mega-insurers including State Farm and Allstate are dropping all but the safest properties, and aerial photography is the cheap and easy way to justify it, a WSJ report claims.
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... It would be a big task for just a single company to keep track of the 144 million homes that existed in America as of the 2022 census, which is why the Geospatial Insurance Consortium was founded. It boasts that the firm's kit can provide "stunningly clear imagery" and can even provide "post-catastrophic imagery" for areas impacted by increasingly common natural disasters. Unsurprisingly, artificial intelligence is a big part of GIC's services. Although the biz doesn't emphasize its usage of AI, it does brag about its partnership with Vexcel, which in turn brags about its AI-based analysis of aerial imagery. Privacy is an obvious concern in respect to private drones canvassing the US and other countries, but so is the accuracy of these photographs. The WSJ cited the case of California resident Cindy Picos, who was dropped by her provider CSAA Insurance based on an aerial photograph that apparently indicated her roof was on its last legs. An independent, in-person inspection found that the roof would last for another 10 years, but CSAA Insurance didn't change its mind. ...
Unsurprisingly, artificial intelligence is a big part of GIC's services. Although the biz doesn't emphasize its usage of AI, it does brag about its partnership with Vexcel, which in turn brags about its AI-based analysis of aerial imagery.
Privacy is an obvious concern in respect to private drones canvassing the US and other countries, but so is the accuracy of these photographs. The WSJ cited the case of California resident Cindy Picos, who was dropped by her provider CSAA Insurance based on an aerial photograph that apparently indicated her roof was on its last legs. An independent, in-person inspection found that the roof would last for another 10 years, but CSAA Insurance didn't change its mind. ...
#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-11 01:57 PM | Reply
Wouldn't surprise me if some algorithm told them how many people to drop and what % increase to charge the rest in order to maintain profit margins.
This sloppiness is just cover for dropping those clients.
#2 | Posted by jpw at 2024-04-11 03:53 PM | Reply
The only problem I have is that the insurer took money from the insured.
Then without notifications pulled the plug.
If I am applying for insurance, it's the insurers responsibility to verify I qualify.
Once I qualify for a policy, the insurer needs to keep its end of the length of deal. Barring anything I might do that would disqualify the deal.
CSAA could say "your roof is old, and we will drop you if you don't replace it in X" years.
....
#3 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-04-11 03:59 PM | Reply
"Perhaps even more concerning was that some photos were over two years old, leading Farmers to drop policies based on out of date info. Even in up-to-date photos, improper analysis (done by humans or AI) could lead to policies being dropped. In one case, Farmers mistook shadows for tree limbs, it's reported."
That is the main problem with using this technology. Relying on outdated information to cancel or non-renew policies.
We've caught carriers using satellite photos that were old and the picture wasn't an accurate depiction of the exposure and they used it to cancel someone.
I am working with our state insurance department to start holding carriers accountable for the accuracy of that information.
#4 | Posted by eberly at 2024-04-11 04:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4
The insurance companies are being sold this service to them by contractors who promise them accurate data.
Some of them are good contractors and some of them are not. Like with anything else.
I understand why they are using this technology and I can appreciate the efficiency of using satellite/drones to take pictures of property.
But it has to be accurate. If they use inaccurate information to cancel or rate up people..........that's crossing the line.
#5 | Posted by eberly at 2024-04-11 04:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3
@#5 ... But it has to be accurate. ...
To be specific... up-to-date accurate. Not just accurate for the time the image was acquired.
#6 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-11 04:33 PM | Reply
6
correct.
a photo might reveal a pile of lumber and trash right next to a house.
But at the time it was taken they were remodeling a room and they placed it there for a day or 2.
Now, it's a year later and there is no debris anywhere. No housekeeping issues at all.....but a non-renewal notice can be sent out.
#7 | Posted by eberly at 2024-04-11 04:35 PM | Reply
I am working with our state insurance department to start holding carriers accountable for the accuracy of that information. #4 | POSTED BY EBERLY
Whose pockets are deeper, the insurance agencies or the carriers?
#8 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-11 04:59 PM | Reply
8
the carriers. hands down.
But I'm not going to the legislature. There are other ways........
and i'm not trying to prohibit the practice of using this technology....but rather alert the department to how consumers are getting screwed over with inaccurate information.
#9 | Posted by eberly at 2024-04-11 05:02 PM | Reply
"a photo might reveal a pile of lumber and trash right next to a house."
Anybody who leaves lumber out for the taking in this economy is probably a financial risk in other ways.
I'm just sayin! (:
#10 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-11 05:05 PM | Reply
@#7 ... a photo might reveal a pile of lumber and trash right next to a house.
But at the time it was taken they were remodeling a room and they placed it there for a day or 2. ...
Or an out-of-date picture may show a roof with shingles that need replacement.
Even though the roof's shingles may have been replaced before the insurance company denied the policy or ascribed a high fee to the policy.
The apparent reliance upon drone images by insurance companies need to be looked at.
Currently, the images seem to be used more for increasing profits than serving customers.
#11 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-11 08:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2
... and, fwiw, your #4 and #5 comments are, imo, NW.
#12 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-11 08:16 PM | Reply
The apparent reliance upon drone images by insurance companies need to be looked at. - lamplighter
Why?
Its not the reliance of on drones, it's how it's used.
Currently, the images seem to be used more for increasing profits than serving customers. - lamplighter
That was my point. The cancellation isn't reasonable from a contract perspective.
#13 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-04-11 08:30 PM | Reply
What if the insurance companies sent some one out and made the same conclusions?
Is that ok?
#14 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-04-11 08:34 PM | Reply
"Currently, the images seem to be used more for increasing profits than serving customers."
It has nothing to do with serving customers. It's all about data used for underwriting.
"What if the insurance companies sent some one out and made the same conclusions?"
Insurance companies are trying very hard to keep employee count down. They are avoiding that work and instead trying to use technology to obtain same data.
Problem is ... .it's often inaccurate which isn't all that bad until they take adverse action against a policyholder.
#15 | Posted by eberly at 2024-04-11 08:40 PM | Reply
@#13 ... It has nothing to do with serving customers. It's all about data used for underwriting. ...
Agreed.
... Insurance companies are trying very hard to keep employee count down. They are avoiding that work and instead trying to use technology to obtain same data. ...
Yup, employees can be expensive. But employees can also be A Good Thing.
To wit...
... Problem is ... .it's often inaccurate which isn't all that bad until they take adverse action against a policyholder. ...
OK, here is where I may disagree.
Yeah, taking an adverse action against a policyholder is not usually a good thing.
But the insurance companies seem to be using drones to take adverse actions against policyholders.
It is that apparent leap from singular to plural that concerns me.
Are the insurance companies using outdated drone images to deny erroneously policies for those who may be qualified for those policies?
#16 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-11 08:55 PM | Reply
16
Outdated or flat out inaccurate. And yes, it's being used to refuse to offer a quote, refusal to bind a quote and MOST significantly to non renew or mid-term cancel a current policy.
#17 | Posted by eberly at 2024-04-11 09:10 PM | Reply
@#17
That's is the concern I have.
And my concern extends to other industries, beside the insurance industry, that use, or will use, AI to "reduce costs."
imo, if the industries are in favor of it, the outcome will not likely be A Good Thing for customers or consumers.
I mean, I recently had a chat with the support bot of my cable provider (Comcast). It was a disaster. The bot got stuck in a loop. I gave up trying to talk "with" it.
#18 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-11 11:50 PM | Reply
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Yeah, they don't write lyrics like that anymore...
#19 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-12 02:50 AM | Reply
#15 | Posted by eberly
You are pretty spot on with this. The thing is the image is dated as soon as it is taken. Any issue should require mandatory human verification. That should be the standard period. Going to the roof example: Last week there was an aging rood and the image was taken and this week it was replaced. A week from now someone looks at the photos and sees the old roof and cancels the policy. Insurance has always been a rip off but this is taking it to the max.
Don't even get me going on Health Insurance...
#20 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2024-04-12 08:55 AM | Reply
#19 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-12 02:50 AM
Thanks!
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#21 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2024-04-12 06:04 PM | Reply
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