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Thursday, April 11, 2024

For women and children, the road to hell is paved with Democrats' good intentions. The party's beliefs about the right thing to do regarding the border are the main contributors to an explosion of rape, human trafficking, prostitution, and child labor. As James Varney recently reported for RealClearInvestigations, much of this human tragedy can be traced to the scores of executive orders and other new policies advanced by the Biden administration to encourage millions of migrants from around the world to come to America. The carnage begins south of the border, where women and children heading north are victimized by predators

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How many migrants have you tried to help?

#1 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2024-04-11 12:11 PM | Reply

More than you.

#2 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-04-11 12:18 PM | Reply

"Republicans have not demonstrated much care or compassion, either " using the migrant crisis to score political points while ignoring the human toll."

This is someone moaning about the human condition, aggravated by a century of capital exploitation of almost all our southern neighbors, but finally deciding to blame it all on a President who at least tries to help... and isn't using this tragedy as a political football the way almost all Republicans are.

#3 | Posted by Corky at 2024-04-11 12:24 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"but finally deciding to blame it all on a President who at least tries to help"

He's taken an already big problem and exacerbated it to the nth degree.

What he's doing with the border is criminal.

#4 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-04-11 12:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You think using these poor souls as a political talking point "helps them"?

How many of these women and children you pretend to be concerned about have you sheltered, fed and protected?

#5 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2024-04-11 12:32 PM | Reply

Jeffyjbell has no desire to help these people. His only interest is to exploit them for political gain

That makes him no different the predators he writes about

Disgusting

#6 | Posted by Chieftutmoses at 2024-04-11 12:40 PM | Reply

More than you.
#2 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Offering them money to climb in the backseat with you is not helping.

#7 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-04-11 01:32 PM | Reply

You can always tell how bias this garbage is when it starts with the allegation that Biden's policies are encouraging millions to come here.

#8 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-04-11 01:33 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

- What he's doing with the border is criminal.

Criminal would be getting all the fixes you wanted in a bipartisan Bill... and then killing the Bill for political election rhetoric reasons, because your authoritarian leader told you to.

All the pain and suffering currently ongoing is totally the responsibility of the Republican Party.

#9 | Posted by Corky at 2024-04-11 01:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#9 ... All the pain and suffering currently ongoing is totally the responsibility of the Republican Party. ...


Yup.


It is quite odd that Republicans are still trying to exploit the border problem, now that they have inherited it.

#10 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-11 02:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Unfortunately for all of you nobody is buying that ridiculous spin.

#11 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-04-11 02:31 PM | Reply

@#11 ... that ridiculous spin ...

The ridiculous spin is the House Republican view, i.e., keeping border security as a political talking point, instead of solving the security problem.

The reality is the Senate bi-partisan bill, crafted by a Republican, that seemed to address many (most?) of the points Republicans had wanted. But then fmr Pres trump comes along and instructs the House Republicans not to even bring the bill to the floor.


#12 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-11 02:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Don't you feel like such a pile of vile s^*% posting this nonsense?

#13 | Posted by jpw at 2024-04-11 02:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

- that ridiculous spin.

You are either lying or you have gotten stupider over the years.

Facts are facts; had the Bill passed there would be less misery on the Border today, and it didn't pass because Donald Trump told YOUR Party not to pass it so he, and they, could use Immigration as a political issue.

You disappoint me mightily, Painless.

#14 | Posted by Corky at 2024-04-11 02:56 PM | Reply

" Don't you feel like such a pile of vile s^*% posting this nonsense?

#13 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2024-04-11 02:54 PM | FLAG: "

Don't YOU feel like such a pile of vile s^*% for supporting this?

#15 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-04-11 02:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

" had the Bill passed"

The bill didn't even pass the Senate. Meanwhile the House passed a bill strengthening enforcement that has been collecting dust on Schumer's desk for a year.

#16 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-04-11 03:00 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Illegal immigration is one of the most important issues for voters in this election cycle and Biden is way underwater on the issue. This ridiculous spin isn't helping him.

#17 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-04-11 03:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Republicans kill border bill in a sign of Trump's strength and McConnell's waning influence

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell encouraged GOP senators to pass an immigration and Ukraine aid deal. Just four of them supported it. In the end, even he voted no.

Within 48 hours of the release of a long-awaited immigration and foreign aid bill he had championed, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell's Republican conference rejected his pitch to support it, knifed the deal and left it for dead.

Just four Republicans voted for it. In the end, even McConnell backtracked and voted against the package that he had helped develop.

But Trump's hammering of the deal, while he uses immigration as a campaign issue, and his demands that Republicans reject it won the day." excerpts

www.nbcnews.com

#18 | Posted by Corky at 2024-04-11 03:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Illegal immigration is one of the most important issues for voters in this election cycle

Why?

How has illegal immigration affected your life in any negative way?

Name one was your own personal life has been affected.

Go for it.

#19 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-04-11 03:10 PM | Reply

19

are you saying it shouldn't be an issue for voters because it doesn't affect them?

#20 | Posted by eberly at 2024-04-11 03:11 PM | Reply

His claim is illegal immigration is the most important issue, just trying to ascertain why.

Since you're such an eager beaver, you can help him, I know for a fact he won't have an answer.

So.

How has your life been negatively impacted by illegal immigration?

Anything?

Republican politicians and propagandists got you scared over nothing?

Just be honest.

Immigration isn't a problem.

The problem is republicans utilizing xenophobia to get morons, like BellRinger, to vote for republicans.

#21 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-04-11 03:16 PM | Reply

@#18 ... But Trump's hammering of the deal, while he uses immigration as a campaign issue, and his demands that Republicans reject it won the day." ...

Exactly. Even those Republicans who said they supported the bill backed down because of fmr Pres Trump.

Fmr Pres Trump wanted the political talking point, i.e., the "spin."


#22 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-11 03:20 PM | Reply

"Since you're such an eager beaver, you can help him, I know for a fact he won't have an answer.
So.
How has your life been negatively impacted by illegal immigration?
Anything?"

Fair enough.

No, it hasn't. It's not an issue for me. This is an issue we've allowed Washington DC to make such a big issue everywhere for people that it hasn't affected.

#23 | Posted by eberly at 2024-04-11 03:24 PM | Reply

"Immigration isn't a problem."

You have no argument from me on that. It's been blown up.

"The problem is republicans utilizing xenophobia to get morons, like BellRinger, to vote for republicans."

The democrat party hasn't exploited problems at the border and blamed the guy residing at 1600 Penn?

#24 | Posted by eberly at 2024-04-11 03:27 PM | Reply

@#23 ... This is an issue we've allowed Washington DC to make such a big issue everywhere for people that it hasn't affected. ...

An excerpt from the Border Patrol Union webpage that was deleted during fmr Pres Trump's term:
web.archive.org


  • Walls and fences are temporary solutions that focus on the symptom (illegal immigration) rather than the problem (employers who knowingly hire illegal aliens).

  • Walls and fences are only a speed bump. People who want to come to the United States to obtain employment will continue to go over, under, and around the walls and fences that are constructed.

  • Walls and fences will undoubtedly result in an increase in fraudulent documents and smuggling through the Ports of Entry.

  • Walls and fences do not solve the issue of people entering the country legally and staying beyond the date they are required to leave the country, a problem which will undoubtedly increase as more walls and fences are constructed.
  • [emphasis mine]

    #25 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-11 03:29 PM | Reply

    Trump says migrants are fueling violent crime. Here is what the research shows
    www.reuters.com

    ... Donald Trump is blaming migrants in the U.S. illegally for fueling violent crime as part of his campaign to win back the White House, repeating rhetoric used during his previous run for the presidency.

    But studies show immigrants are not more likely to engage in criminality.

    WHAT IS TRUMP SAYING ABOUT IMMIGRANTS AND CRIME?

    Former U.S. President Donald Trump, a Republican challenging President Joe Biden in the November elections, has focused on crimes committed by immigrants in the U.S. illegally as part of his argument for stricter border controls.

    Trump says Biden's policies are overly permissive and has branded crimes committed by immigrants in the country illegally as "Biden migrant crime."

    Trump has used dehumanizing terminology to describe immigrants in the U.S. illegally, calling them "animals" when talking about alleged criminal acts, and saying they are "poisoning the blood of our country," a phrase that has drawn criticism as xenophobic and echoing Nazi rhetoric. ...

    DO IMMIGRANTS COMMIT MORE CRIME THAN THE NATIVE BORN?

    A range of studies by academics and think tanks have shown that immigrants do not commit crime at a higher rate than native-born Americans.

    A more limited universe of studies specifically examine criminality among immigrants in the U.S. illegally but also find that they do not commit crimes at a higher rate. ...


    #26 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-11 03:33 PM | Reply

    To answer your question in #20.

    No. I don't think it shouldn't be an issue for voters because it doesn't affect them.

    Civil rights, women's rights, marriage equality ... all succeeded because all people - those affected and those who were not - came together and demanded it.

    #27 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-04-11 03:34 PM | Reply

    Why?
    How has illegal immigration affected your life in any negative way?
    Name one was your own personal life has been affected.
    Go for it.
    #19 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

    Define negative?

    I have to go through US immigration system, that has a negative impact on my earnings and where my income is spent.

    But really this is like saying...

    Have bank robbers affected me negatively? Allow bank robbing.

    Crime doesn't affect me either.
    Nor homicide, that doesn't affect me either.

    Allow it.

    Nothing affects me, right?

    Until it does, then I'm just a statistic xenophobic.

    #28 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-04-11 03:43 PM | Reply

    #26 DO IMMIGRANTS COMMIT MORE CRIME THAN THE NATIVE BORN?

    "Immigrants" like me and many of my coworkers.

    Not "illegal immigrants" which commit crimes by crossing the border.

    Oh but not that crime, just the moving goalposts matter.

    Can't believe gaslighter was an engineering manager.

    No wonder America needs legal immigrants like me.

    #29 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-04-11 03:46 PM | Reply

    "We've allowed"

    No, not "we".

    It's just you, and the rest of the supposedly "reasonable" cowards of todays GOP

    #30 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2024-04-11 03:46 PM | Reply

    @#29 ... Not "illegal immigrants" which commit crimes by crossing the border. ...

    If they were indeed illegal, then would Gov Abbott and Gov DeSantis be guilty of trafficking in criminals?


    #31 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-11 03:55 PM | Reply

    From the polling I've seen, Illegal immigration is one of the most important issues for voters in this election cycle and Biden is way underwater on the issue (repeated from above).

    All of this risible spin isn't going to change public opinion on the issue.

    #32 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-04-11 03:57 PM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 1

    From the link in #26...

    ... "Comparing crime rates between undocumented immigrants, legal immigrants, and native-born US citizens in Texas,
    , opens new tab" by Michael Light, sociology professor at the University of Wisconsin-Madison and two other researchers. The 2020 study was published in the peer-reviewed Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

    - - - The report, which used data from the Texas Department of Public Safety between 2012-2018, found a lower felony arrest rate for immigrants in the U.S. illegally compared to legal immigrants and native-born U.S. citizens and no evidence of increasing criminality among immigrants.

    - - - Light published a study, opens new tab in 2017 that found illegal immigration does not increase violent crime. The study used data from all 50 U.S. states and Washington, D.C., from 1990-2014. A separate study found, opens new tab no link between increased illegal immigration and drunk-driving deaths. ...


    #33 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-11 03:58 PM | Reply

    -No, not "we".

    Yes....we.

    including you and anybody with you in your piss stained teepee

    WE

    #34 | Posted by eberly at 2024-04-11 04:23 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

    -All of this risible spin isn't going to change public opinion on the issue.

    every thinking person knows that you can't sell "well, this is because of a bill that didn't pass in the senate" even if that's true.

    One guy is the face of this problem.

    Unfortunately, he's the guy I want to win the next election...and this isn't helping.

    #35 | Posted by eberly at 2024-04-11 04:26 PM | Reply

    Bell,

    What the Democrats have done to the poor is pathetic.

    Too many are drug addled...lazy...and just look to the government to take care of them.

    Sad..sad...sad...

    #36 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-04-11 07:44 PM | Reply

    Troll,

    "How has illegal immigration affected your life in any negative way?"

    So it has to be in your backyard before you consider it important?

    Can you be anymore narcissistic?

    Only when something affects you is it important!

    #37 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-04-11 07:49 PM | Reply

    What the Democrats have done to the poor is pathetic.
    Too many are drug addled...lazy...and just look to the government to take care of them.
    Sad..sad...sad...
    POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON AT 2024-04-11 07:44 PM | REPLY

    Oh do STFU

    www.moneygeek.com

    KEY FINDINGS:
    7 of the 10 states most dependent on the federal government were Republican-voting, with the average red state receiving $1.05 per dollar spent.
    Twenty-nine states sent more to the federal government than they received, compared to just nine states in 2021.
    Of the states that sent more than they received, 52% were Democrat-voting and 48% were Republican-voting.
    New Mexico had the highest return on federal spending of any state ($3.69), and Delaware had the lowest ($0.32).

    #38 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-04-11 07:53 PM | Reply

    Don't YOU feel like such a pile of vile s^*% for supporting this?

    #15 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

    I don't support it.

    But trying to act like Biden is responsible for human trafficking and sex crimes is a new low. The inevitable end of the right's obsessions with the border and sex crimes, I suppose.

    #39 | Posted by jpw at 2024-04-11 08:45 PM | Reply

    This is what Patricide Jeff supports.

    amp.theguardian.com

    #40 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2024-04-11 09:11 PM | Reply

    " But trying to act like Biden is responsible for human trafficking and sex crimes is a new low. The inevitable end of the right's obsessions with the border and sex crimes, I suppose.

    #39 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2024-04-11 08:45 PM | REPLY | FLAG:"

    It's baked into the cake with illegal immigration. I don't blame Biden for the human, child and sex trafficking per se. here's the thing, the more porous and open the border the more people come and succumb to all of this. His de facto open border policy has resulted in an increase in human trafficking and drug smuggling.

    #41 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-04-11 09:56 PM | Reply

    @#41 ... It's baked into the cake with illegal immigration. ...

    So, why did Republicans kill (at fmr Pres Trump's dictum) a bill tht would help reduce that apparent illegal immigration?

    A bill that gave the Republicans what they wanted.

    Republicans like border security as an issue more than they like border security as a solution.


    #42 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-11 10:03 PM | Reply

    But trying to act like Biden is responsible for human trafficking and sex crimes is a new low
    - how

    Not really, Trump was blamed for it, I see no reason given the magnitude of the problem not to blame Biden as well.

    #43 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-04-11 10:04 PM | Reply

    So, why did Republicans kill (at fmr Pres Trump's dictum) a bill tht would help reduce that apparent illegal immigration?

    This is a false statement using the current disasters numbers as a baseline is ridiculous.

    #44 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-04-11 10:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

    @#44 ... So, why did Republicans kill (at fmr Pres Trump's dictum) a bill tht would help reduce that apparent illegal immigration?

    This is a false statement ...

    Trump says 'blame it on me' if border bill fails (January 2024)
    thehill.com

    ... Former President Trump told his supporters during a rally in Nevada that he is fine with being blamed for tanking the bipartisan border bill currently negotiated in the Senate. ...

    #45 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-11 10:09 PM | Reply

    #45 the false statement is reducing illegal immigration.

    It's implied in my response.

    Keep trying

    #46 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-04-11 10:14 PM | Reply

    This is a false statement ...
    - gaslighter

    What does "..." Mean to you?

    Contextomy much?

    LOL what PoS of a reply...

    #47 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-04-11 10:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

    Laura,

    There's more to life than money.

    Too many people on the right and left measure quality of life with dollar signs.

    I'm talking about intangibles such as self-respect among many many other things.

    Socialism is robbing human beings of a positive self-image among so many other things too numerous to discuss in a short post.

    Your idea of self-respect is based on how other people treat you.

    What I'm talking about isn't dependent on other people.

    #48 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-04-12 08:21 AM | Reply

    Socialism is robbing human beings of a positive self-image among so many other things too numerous to discuss

    #48 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

    MAGA does this.

    What you see as socialism is normal people attempting to tackle ordinary problems. Something you people don't do any more.

    #49 | Posted by Zed at 2024-04-12 08:46 AM | Reply

    Zed,

    Socialism can be a helpful tool.

    What we are seeing in the US is decades after decade of dependence.

    I have to wonder if some of the violence and anger is people who have been robbed of self respect by living continually dependent on the government controlling your life.

    No more debating the topic. I'm at work doing worky stuff.

    #50 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-04-12 09:25 AM | Reply

    There's more to life than money.
    Too many people on the right and left measure quality of life with dollar signs.
    I'm talking about intangibles such as self-respect among many many other things.
    Socialism is robbing human beings of a positive self-image among so many other things too numerous to discuss in a short post.
    Your idea of self-respect is based on how other people treat you.
    What I'm talking about isn't dependent on other people.

    #48 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON AT 2024-04-12 08:21 AM | REPLY

    Money makes the world go around. It's easy to say that there's more to life than money when you have it. When you don't. That's another story all together.

    As far as socialism goes. The country's that have socialized medicine seem to be happier than we are. Why is that BillJohnson?? Maybe it has to do with them knowing that they will be taken care of in their time of need. I wished we would open our collective eyes and see our way isn't working for us. We all should have a baseline of coverage. If you want more then you can pay for add ones. In this wealthiest of Nations. We should be doing better at taking care of the populace. It's a shame that we aren't.

    #51 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-04-12 04:33 PM | Reply

    Socialism is robbing human beings of a positive self-image among so many other things too numerous to discuss in a short post.

    What does this vague statement mean?

    I don't think you know.

    #52 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-04-12 04:55 PM | Reply

    Man on terror watchlist was released by Border Patrol

    The ICE prosecutors told the judge that Kharwin was a flight risk who should be detained without bond. However, they didn't tell the judge that he posed a potential risk to national security, and declined to show the judge information revealing why the FBI is concerned about him.
    www.nbcnews.com

    How is this negligence possible?

    Why bring him to the judge at all??

    #53 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-04-13 06:30 PM | Reply

    What does this vague statement mean?

    It means the purpose of socialism.is to mold you into a citizen that accepts everything the government says, in order to receive food, water, and shelter.

    To be an independent thinker in socialist country is to be outcast.

    Look up struggle session, understand the purpose both to the victim, and the spectators.

    #54 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-04-13 06:33 PM | Reply

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