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Wednesday, April 10, 2024

President Volodymyr Zelenskyy of Ukraine warned in an interview that Russian influence had pierced the American political system and rejected the idea, backed by allies of Donald Trump, that Ukraine could swiftly end the war just by making massive territorial concessions.

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But Zelenskyy said Tuesday that he had privately urged Trump through intermediaries to travel to Ukraine and that Trump had expressed interest but had not yet committed to making a trip. Zelenskyy said he was open to hearing Trump's proposals for the war, while making clear he was highly skeptical.

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"If the deal is that we just give up our territories, and that's the idea behind it, then it's a very primitive idea," Zelenskyy said in an interview with Axel Springer media outlets. POLITICO is owned by Axel Springer.

Zelenskyy continued: "I need very strong arguments. I don't need a fantastic idea, I need a real idea, because people's lives are at stake."

Any deal that merely gave up land to Russian President Vladimir Putin in exchange for an end to hostilities, Zelenskyy said, would just open the way for more Russian wars of conquest in the future. A negotiated peace, he said, had to leave the Russian despot "no room to carry out his plans."

#1 | Posted by Corky at 2024-04-09 08:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

@#1 ... because people's lives are at stake ...

That simple phrase is, imo, a huge difference between fmr Pres Trump and Pres Zelenskyy.

Pres Zelenskyy cares about people and their future, fmr Pres Trump views people are merely a means to complete a transaction.

Fmr Pres Trump views the ceding of Ukraine land to Pres Putin as a transaction.

He has not a clue about the longer term ramifications of that act because he seems to only know transactions, not strategy.


#2 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-09 09:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Not a good idea. Trump will blab everything he sees to putin.

#3 | Posted by horstngraben at 2024-04-09 09:20 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

@#3 ... Trump will blab everything he sees to putin. ...

Is Donald Trump an intelligence threat? (March 2024)
theweek.com

... Here's a paradox: Donald Trump faces trial for mishandling national secrets. But as the GOP's presidential nominee, he will be eligible for regular intelligence briefings by the federal government in the months leading up to November's election. The Biden administration is sticking with that "normally humdrum" tradition, Politico said, even though the briefings are "fraught with unusual risk this year due to the pending court case." Said one former intelligence official: "I'd be afraid about giving him stuff."

It's not just his history of cavalier treatment of classified docs, The Guardian said. Trump's "bromance" with Russian leader Vladimir Putin also raises concerns in the intelligence community. "I think Trump and Putin are natural bedfellows," said Douglas London, a retired CIA operations officer. That is why some Democrats are sounding the alarm. "There is literally nothing about Trump that suggests he would put our country's interests ahead of his own interests under almost any circumstances," said Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse (D-R.I.). ...



I still wonder what happened to the contents of those empty classified folders that were found at Mar-A-Lago.

Trump's Hollow Empty Folders' Defense
www.factcheck.org

... Former President Donald Trump's latest defense for having classified documents found by FBI agents at his Mar-a-Lago home is that many of them were simply "empty folders" stamped "classified" on the outside that Trump kept as mementos. The FBI says it did find dozens of empty folders, but it also found 103 classified documents. ...

It's true that in a court-approved search of Mar-a-Lago on Aug. 8, FBI agents seized several dozen empty folders marked as having once contained "classified" material. According to an inventory of items the FBI seized that day, which the Department of Justice released on Sept. 2, there were 48 "empty" folders marked as having once contained "classified" material, including 43 from Trump's office. The search also turned up 42 empty folders marked as "Return to Staff Secretary/Military Aide," including 28 in Trump's office. ...


So where are the contents of those empty folders?

Or, maybe, a better question might be, to whom were those contents sold, and for what in return?


#4 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-09 09:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Nice. Called him on the carpet.

#5 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-09 10:02 PM | Reply

Show dotard a few Ukrainian 13 year olds who resemble Ivanka and he'll be there yesterday.

#6 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2024-04-09 11:11 PM | Reply

Fat Donnie Loser is a coward.

#7 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-04-10 12:07 AM | Reply

Russia penetrated Fat Donnie Loser's ass.

#8 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-04-10 06:02 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Zelenskyy Warns Russia has Penetrated US Politics"

Everyone knows it. Trumpers simply don't give a ------.

#9 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2024-04-11 04:05 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Yes, yes the Russians have. And by a Party that willingly invited them
in out of the cold. Today's GOP and Russia are totally intertwined.

#10 | Posted by earthmuse at 2024-04-11 06:30 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Ukraine could swiftly end the war just by making massive territorial concessions."

They're going to slowly end the war and end up making massive territorial concessions.

Raise your hand if you are for boots on the ground in Ukraine.

#11 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-04-11 08:21 AM | Reply

European boots on the ground would all the boots necessary.

#12 | Posted by Corky at 2024-04-11 12:14 PM | Reply

#11

Raise your hand if you're Putin's puppet.^^

#13 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2024-04-11 12:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#12 ChickenHawk is a bad look.

"Let's you and him Fight" doesn't cut it. It's Sickening actually.

We instigate a major war and then stand down in Fear when our Patsy gets squashed. Ukraine just didn't realize how cowardly and craven the US is when things go wrong. Their mistake was believing we ever really had their back.

Profiles in Courage.. it's Not.

But it is very typical behavior for the US.

#14 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-04-11 04:16 PM | Reply

European boots on the ground would all the boots necessary.
#12 | POSTED BY CORKY AT 2024-04-11 12:14 PM | REPLY

Unfortunately that trial balloon turned out to be lead in the EU.

On the positive side, Ukraine after major delays has passed a law to lower the draft age from 27 to 25, but Zelensky hasn't signed it yet. That could theoretically bring 500k conscripts into the fight on Ukraine's side.

#15 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-04-11 08:42 PM | Reply

@#14 .. We instigate a major war ...

Wait, what?

Pres Putin does an unprovoked invasion of a sovereign country, and now your current alias says that "we" instigated the war?

Oh wait.

Maybe your comment does make sense, that is, if your current alias is a Russian troll.

Is it?

#16 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-11 08:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#11 ... They're going to slowly end the war and end up making massive territorial concessions. ...

Yeah, that is what Pres Putin is hoping for.

Because it will encourage his further excursions into Europe.


#17 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-11 09:02 PM | Reply

Not to play slaughter the source.

But Z is the last person I would believe.

#18 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-04-11 09:05 PM | Reply

Maybe your comment does make sense, that is, if your current alias is a Russian troll
- gaslighter

See you can imagine Z doing the same thing, no?

Or is only onside truthful?

#19 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-04-11 09:06 PM | Reply

IAMRUNT is a putinista ---------.

#20 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2024-04-11 09:07 PM | Reply

He would believe Vlad the Invader over the Z the invaded.

He's like a Chinese Republican House Member.

#21 | Posted by Corky at 2024-04-11 09:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#18 ... But Z is the last person I would believe. ...

And your current alias says that... why?

#22 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-11 09:18 PM | Reply

@#19 ... See you can imagine Z doing the same thing, no? ...

Do try to be rational.

Who is Z?

If your current alias wants to discuss, then do so.

But all it seem to want to do is disrupt.

Why?

#23 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-11 09:21 PM | Reply

@#21 ... He's like a Chinese Republican House Member. ...

Yeah, but who knows.

One thing I find interesting is how that current alias seems to come to the defense of another current alias that I seemed to have caught in an apparent inadvertent defense of Russia's unprovoked invasion of a sovereign country.

My #16.

I am starting to wonder if we are seeing a Russian-based troll farm here on this most august site?

Sometimes, the handing off of replies almost seems to be like shift-work on a troll farm.

#24 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-11 09:29 PM | Reply

Chinese Republican house member?

Does such a person exist?

#25 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-04-11 09:45 PM | Reply

But Z is the last person I would believe.

#18 | Posted by oneironaut

Good thing you don't have to and the evidence has been in your face and piling up for something like 8 years now.

#26 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2024-04-12 11:32 AM | Reply

#25 | Posted by ClownShack

Sure is one in the Senate.

#27 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2024-04-12 11:46 AM | Reply

Raise your hand if you are for boots on the ground in Ukraine.

#11 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG AT 2024-04-11 08:21 AM | FLAG:

European boots on the ground would all the boots necessary.
#12 | POSTED BY CORKY

The French are considering it.

French President Emmanuel Macron on Thursday said his refusal to rule out the prospect of sending Western troops to Ukraine was intentional, despite the uproar it has provoked.

#28 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-04-12 12:59 PM | Reply

But Z is the last person I would believe.

#18 | Posted by oneironaut

A smart person would place the tyrant who shut down the internet and took over all the tv stations in the position of being the last person you should believe.

#29 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-04-12 01:08 PM | Reply

The Clock Is Ticking: Russia Has A One-Year Reserve Of Weapons

www.forbes.com

#30 | Posted by Corky at 2024-04-12 01:08 PM | Reply

Who's infiltrated US government?

#31 | Posted by fatboomboom at 2024-04-12 01:09 PM | Reply

Who's infiltrated US government?

#31 | Posted by fatboomboom

Putin. Which is why republican parrot russian propaganda.

#32 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-04-12 01:36 PM | Reply

Putin. Which is why republican parrot russian propaganda.

#32 | Posted by SpeakSoftly

OIC.
Is this also why we have domestic legislators making junket to Russia?
Is it also why the Russia PAC has a 98% election rate of our elected officials that they back?
Is this how Russia has pried away hundreds of billions of American tax dollars / debt?

#33 | Posted by fatboomboom at 2024-04-12 04:33 PM | Reply

We instigate a major war and then stand down in Fear when our Patsy gets squashed. Ukraine just didn't realize how cowardly and craven the US is when things go wrong. Their mistake was believing we ever really had their back.

'Just Like We Drew It Up'

#34 | Posted by fatboomboom at 2024-04-12 04:41 PM | Reply

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