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Tuesday, April 09, 2024

Special prosecutors in New Mexico claim in a new legal filing that actor Alec Baldwin's behavior on the "Rust" movie set contributed to "safety comprises" that led to the fatal shooting of the film's cinematographer Halyna Hutchins in 2021.

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negligence
inexperience
complete lack of concern

One of those sounds like an actual crime to me.

Complete lack of concern is the kind of thing a judge says when delivering a harsh sentence. It's not a crime in its own right. The crime version is negligence, and prosecutors already said that was Hannah Gutierrez.

#1 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-09 03:48 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Oh, FFS.

The two guilty people have already been either found guilty or pleaded guilty. Baldwin was in a situation where no actor is allowed to fuss with a prop gun, and he was told it was a prop gun by the two safety experts who handed it to him, either directly or indirectly, including Mr. "I checked the gun, I just didn't check all the cylinders."

Baldwin is only being prosecuted for fame: his, and the fame sought by the DA.

#2 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-04-09 05:02 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 4

Baldwin is only being prosecuted for fame: his, and the fame sought by the DA.

I think that's been pretty obvious from the beginning. I wonder if they will ever stop?

#3 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-04-09 09:58 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

Each State needs to decide if Alec Baldwin is required to have control of his emotions on a film set.

I'm tired trying to explain it to these "One Size Fits All" crazies.

#4 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-09 10:17 PM | Reply

#2 | POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2024-04-09 05:02 AM | FLAG:

Still all silly. Play with guns, sometimes people die, it's just the price of admission.

... but what part of the protocol is it to not show up to the firearm training with everybody else, turn up later and take an abbreviated class, then ignore the class to call family and talk selfies with the guns you're being educated on learning how to handle safely? They still let that person hold a gun? Feels like power dynamics Trump protocol.

#5 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-04-10 08:30 AM | Reply

"Play with guns, sometimes people die"

A movie set is a magnitude safer than every urban area in America.

Remember all the injuries and accidents you've read about on set, ever since that incident? NOBODY ELSE DOES EITHER.

Is your plan to allow whatever Rando was cast that day to have the final say, or the experts hired to be experts?

#6 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-04-10 11:09 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Feels like power dynamics..."

You're right: fame brings you outsized influence, especially on a movie set. That said, nothing excuses not-one-but-two total failures, neither of whom were Baldwin. Mr. "I checked the gun, just not all the cylinders" ultimately DIDN'T check the gun. And Ms. "Huh? You lock up guns during lunch?" failed as well.

Still, that's no reason to expect every actor hired to know more than the experts on the set.

Baldwin the actor is innocent; Baldwin the producer may be guilty.

#7 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-04-10 11:22 AM | Reply

#6 | Posted by Danforth

The only other one previous I can think of was Brandon Lee. Supposedly a case of negligence by the Armorer as well.

Something very true of guns - Familiarity breeds contempt.

#8 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2024-04-10 11:31 AM | Reply

A movie set is a magnitude safer than every urban area in America.

#6 | POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2024-04-10 11:09 AM | FLAG:

It's not Urban Area America. It's more like a gun range where people actively choose to stand in front of guns. Death and injuries are the price of playtime, even if you can make it mostly safe most of the time. Sometimes when accidents still happen people get lucky, like Tom Sizemore being a bad shot and missing the extra in Saving Private Ryan. Would have been no walking away from a .30-06 to the chest. Judging from the list of firearm accidents on TV sets, which are pretty numerous but not fatal, mostly you get powder burns in the face like filming of the John Wick movies. Not unlike the actors who do the Human Chess Matches at Ren Faires. Very few of them are willing to stand in front of another actor and eat those blazingly hot black powder flecks you get sprayed with.

#9 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-04-10 11:44 AM | Reply

Still, that's no reason to expect every actor hired to know more than the experts on the set.
Baldwin the actor is innocent; Baldwin the producer may be guilty.

#7 | POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2024-04-10 11:22 AM | FLAG:

Maybe? If you put "Expert at Gunplay" on your resume, and you're in your mid-60s, and have been toting guns in movies since at least 1990 (hunt for red october), and you're also the producer, it's not unreasonable to expect you to know more than a 24 year old.

#10 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-04-10 11:47 AM | Reply

" It's not Urban Area America"

You're right; it's much safer.

Frankly I'll take the second incident in decades method, over the repeated incidents every few seconds worldwide method.

But go ahead, argue Joe Extra should have the last word on a movie set.

#11 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-04-10 11:49 AM | Reply

He wasn't an extra, he was a lead actor with decades of experience and self-proclaimed expert.

Small irony though, I can cast you a bunch of extras that can tell if a bullet is real or not and do a better job than that armorer and Baldwin.

#12 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-04-10 11:55 AM | Reply

Frankly I'll take the second incident in decades method

#11 | POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2024-04-10 11:49 AM | FLAG:

Now you've got me curious about the history of the protocol. In basic firearm safety, you always assume it's loaded and live at all times. Super simple. Rule #1.

How did this universal safety rule get thrown out? Did an extra at some point try to put in real bullets?

#13 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-04-10 11:59 AM | Reply

Baldwin the actor is innocent; Baldwin the producer may be guilty.

This may be true, but i would argue that Baldwin the Producer's intentional cheapskating of the safety process, and Baldwin the Producer's knowledge of previous safety issues on set, may have imposed a higher duty of care upon Baldwin the Actor than would normally be applied to an actor.

#14 | Posted by JOE at 2024-04-10 12:02 PM | Reply

"How did this universal safety rule get thrown out?"

That doesn't sound like a crime.

If it is a crime, it doesn't sound like a crime Alec Baldwin committed -- unless he's in charge of safety or something.

#15 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-10 12:04 PM | Reply

#9 | Posted by sitzkrieg

What list are you talking about? Most incidents didn't involve bullets but stupid things like grabbing a hot muzzle or using the wrong gun for a flashy move and hurting your hand.

#16 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2024-04-10 12:47 PM | Reply

"If you put "Expert at Gunplay" on your resume"

You must've missed that "play" part.

Frankly, if I were doing a sci-fi flick, and was handed a toy laser gun complete with light and sound effects, the first thing I'd do is shoot a fellow actor in jest.

Baldwin was told he was holding a toy, by the two folks hired to tell him.

As for me..."I had no idea that toy laser gun they gave me was a real laser gun. Will the other actor be okay?"

#17 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-04-10 01:00 PM | Reply

"If you put "Expert at Gunplay" on your resume"

^
Again, there's no criminal activity there.

What is Russian for Woke, and when did Sitzkrieg join that team?

#18 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-10 01:03 PM | Reply

"In basic firearm safety, you always assume it's loaded and live at all times. Super simple. Rule #1."

And on set, Rule #1 is the safety folks are responsible for safety, and not Joe Extra.

#19 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-04-10 01:05 PM | Reply

You must've missed that "play" part.
Frankly, if I were doing a sci-fi flick, and was handed a toy laser gun complete with light and sound effects, the first thing I'd do is shoot a fellow actor in jest.

#17 | POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2024-04-10 01:00 PM | REPLY

No, I pointed out you're playing with guns a lot. A plastic ray gun doesn't quite compare to a LeMat revolver though. Don't point the first one at police. Don't point the second one at anybody.

#20 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-04-10 01:11 PM | Reply

#19 | POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2024-04-10 01:05 PM | FLAG:

So question still stands. When did film production decide to waive individual gun safety rules in favor of armorers as an intermediary?

#21 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-04-10 01:12 PM | Reply

When did film production decide to waive individual gun safety rules in favor of armorers as an intermediary?
#21 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

Well, don't leave us hanging, what was Alexa's answer!

#22 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-10 01:26 PM | Reply

I was killed in a scene directed by Ang Lee.

The gun is dismantled, and presented to both the shooter and the target. Then the armorer reassembles the gun, and hands it to...

...the guy who got the part at the audition.

At that point, I'd be the one most allowed to re-check the gun, right?

#23 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-04-10 01:50 PM | Reply

"When did film production decide to waive individual gun safety rules in favor of armorers as an intermediary?"

Knowing the film industry...right after trying everything else.

On a related topic, would gun accidents go up or down if two safety experts had to sign off every time a citizen used a gun?

#24 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-04-10 01:51 PM | Reply

It's time for the film industry to stop playing around.

Actors who handle guns on set should be trained in gun safety. NO EXCEPTIONS.

I don't care how famous the actor is. I don't care that the actor is a complete idiot. Gun safety should NOT be a transferable responsibility. If something goes wrong, it's not only the armorer's fault, it's also the actor's fault.

Would I give this actor a pass this time? Fine. But NEVER AGAIN. The armorer should be responsible for knowing how the gun is loaded and what it's loaded with. The actor holding the gun should be responsible for knowing how the gun is loaded and what it's loaded with. "It costs too much to train the actor" is NOT AN EXCUSE. If the actor is too stupid to learn gun safety, hire smarter actors or give the actor a toy gun, not a real one. Non-firing replicas exist, there's no reason an actor too stupid to handle a real gun can't be given one. Take out the orange tip in post, no reason you can't chroma-key on orange near the actor.

I've got a degree in tech theatre. I know how stupid actors can be. I've also been there when there's been a gun on stage, I've seen guns modified to be unable to fire anything but blanks. Magazines can be blocked, chambers can be modified to not accept anything but blanks, do that and the breech won't even close on a live round, a revolver can't even be loaded if you do it right. Sure, a blank can still kill when the actor is stupid enough, but only at near-zero distance (ie Jon-Erik Hexum) but you'll never see an AD dead from a blank fired across the set.

So, train the actors, and hold them responsible for pointing guns at people and pulling the trigger.

#25 | Posted by DarkVader at 2024-04-10 07:14 PM | Reply

#23

You don't even have to completely disassemble the gun. Just empty the magazine, inspect the loads, check the chamber is clear, check the barrel is clear.

And then don't take eyes off the gun before the scene. Whoever is holding it should know where it's been at all times, the armorer should know where it's been at all times.

Do that, and people don't end up dead.

#26 | Posted by DarkVader at 2024-04-10 07:26 PM | Reply

"no control of his own emotions"
Ah I see it now; 98% of the USA are likely to shoot someone accidentally.

#27 | Posted by e1g1 at 2024-04-11 01:43 PM | Reply

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