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Thursday, April 04, 2024

Documents for Donald Trump's $175 million bond in his New York civil fraud case were rejected by a court because a current financial statement was not included.

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He can't do anything right.

#1 | Posted by qcp at 2024-04-03 05:33 PM | Reply

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Most likely on purpose.

#2 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-04-03 05:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

"current financial statement was not included"

Hahahahaha.

70 million people voted for this swindle.

#3 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-03 05:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 7

I imagine he did this because an accurate financial would reveal he can get a bond much larger than $175 million but he doesn't want to pledge the assets for that

#4 | Posted by eberly at 2024-04-03 05:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

It's always a game with Trump.

A game to see how little he can give to get the most back for himself.

#5 | Posted by jpw at 2024-04-04 09:06 AM | Reply

According to Lisa Rubin, it's not Trump's statement that's missing or necessary.

It's the statement from the company posting the bond.

#6 | Posted by jpw at 2024-04-04 09:37 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

According to Lisa Rubin, it's not Trump's statement that's missing or necessary.
It's the statement from the company posting the bond.

#6 | POSTED BY JPW

It's hard to know for certain because the Court didn't say. But I'm guessing you might be right. I'm hearing reports both ways.

#7 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-04-04 10:21 AM | Reply

Good to know that James Bond movies have at least some standards now.

#8 | Posted by sentinel at 2024-04-04 10:50 AM | Reply

#4 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Or he may genuinely not have it. For a variety of reasons.. some of which he wouldn't want his supporters to know about.

#9 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2024-04-04 05:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Another view...

Is Trump's $175 million civil fraud bond valid in New York?
www.cbsnews.com

... But the surety bond was missing vital information typically included in those filings, experts say. These standard elements include documents related to power of attorney for the bond provider, Knight Specialty Insurance Company, a financial statement from the company and a certificate of qualification from the Department of Financial Services.

New York Attorney General Letitia James indicated in a filing Thursday, after the original publication of this story, that she, too, has concerns about the bond.

James took "exception to the sufficiency of the surety" given by Trump and the other defendants. She objected to the fact that the bond was issued by a company that is not an admitted carrier in New York, and lacks the certificate of qualification required by New York Insurance Law Section 1111. ...

Trump attorney Christopher Kise on Thursday alleged James' filing was "another witch hunt" and accused her office of "hiding out in silence" after an appellate court reduced the defendants' bond from more than $464 million to $175 million.

"The Attorney General now seeks to stir up some equally baseless public quarrel in a desperate effort to regain relevance," Kise said

Within 10 days, Trump or the company must file a motion to "justify" the bond, meaning Knight must prove that it is financially capable of paying the bond.

"There seem to be serious issues," said Bruce H. Lederman, an attorney who has filed many bonds in New York, including for a real estate developer challenging a judgment. Lederman said he was struck by "glaring errors" in the bond..

"In all the years I've been doing this, you always have to have a certificate from the Department of Financial Services saying that you're licensed to issue a surety bond," he said, referring to the missing certificate of qualification.

Lederman also noticed that Knight Specialty is not listed on New York's Department of Financial Services website. ...



#10 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-04 05:51 PM | Reply

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Yeah, I misspoke earlier about this. It's the actual bond carrier who's financials the court wants to see. They want to know they can handle a loss this large.

It's funny...it's as if everybody already knows Trump will default on this bond. It's a given.

and yet it was posted. Makes me wonder if the whole thing isn't fake.

#11 | Posted by eberly at 2024-04-04 05:55 PM | Reply

Or he may genuinely not have it. For a variety of reasons.. some of which he wouldn't want his supporters to know about.

Yes. The article Lamp posted says he used $125M in cash to get this bond...but the bonding company isn't holding it......Trump retains it.

This is complete --------. I'm glad the court rejected it.

just cut to it....start auctioning the property.

today.

#12 | Posted by eberly at 2024-04-04 06:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

sell all of it until you get the amount he owes....the $450 million.

#13 | Posted by eberly at 2024-04-04 06:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

@#11 ... 's as if everybody already knows Trump will default on this bond ...

My view is...

If fmr Pres Trump is as wealthy and as astute a businessperson as he says he is, then why did he go with a sub-prime lender's (and Trump supporter) company for the bond?


I wonder what The Deal was? After all, for fmr Pres Trump, it is about The Art of the Deal, no?


#14 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-04 06:11 PM | Reply

The documents missing from the bond filing are supposedly routine. And the bonding company needs to be licensed in NY which this one is apparently not.

Let's just be honest here, if he could have filed adequate bond documents he would have done so. He cannot post the required bond and judgment collection should resume.

#15 | Posted by JOE at 2024-04-04 06:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I wonder what The Deal was?

The deal is he is going to deep deflecting and delaying and appealing until he ------- dies.

#16 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-04-04 06:40 PM | Reply

I wonder what The Deal was?
The deal is he is going to deep deflecting and delaying and appealing until he ------- dies.

#16 | POSTED BY REDIAL

FWIW the judgement was issued February 17, 2024

He was supposed to have a bond posted within 30 days. We are now at day 47 and no bond posted.

You think YOU wouldn't be held in contempt or face other sanctions if you did that?

#17 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-04-04 06:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

So, the MAGAt's claim is true:
Justice in the USA is a two-tiered system.
However, it's tilted in their favor! No doubt the usual suspects will come on this thread and point out how unfair that is. /s

#18 | Posted by TrueBlue at 2024-04-04 06:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Saw this post in response to an NYT article on the subject-someone please say they mis-spoke...

"it doesn't matter if they are licensed in NY, if the transaction is completed in California. Some day New York will learn they are only one state in 50 and can not and do not control what happens outside of the state, and city. All trump needed was to post a bond. Which he did. Good luck to the AG on pushing a financial review on an out of state company with no in-state assets."

#19 | Posted by Yodagirl at 2024-04-04 10:16 PM | Reply

@#19 ... "it doesn't matter if they are licensed in NY, if the transaction is completed in California. Some day New York will learn they are only one state in 50 and can not and do not control what happens outside of the state, and city. All trump needed was to post a bond. Which he did. ...

I'd edit that comment you found to say the following...

All fmr Pres Trump needed was to post a bond that would be legally compliant. Which he did not.


#20 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-04 10:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

@#19 ... Saw this post in response to an NYT article on the subject-someone please say they mis-spoke... ...

fwiw, I would not say they misspoke.

I'd say they spoke out of their analpore.

This is a NY case, subject to NY laws and procedures.

The apparent low-life lender that fmr Pres Trump seems to have found to post his bond did not appear to comply with the NY law and procedures.

Which is why this thread exists.

So, at this point, the question I'd ask is the following....

If someone puts up a $175M bond, shouldn't that entity be aware of the laws and procedures in the legal jurisdiction they are posting that bond in?

$175M.

And the entity seems to be clueless?

This is the best that fmr Pres Trump can find to post his bond?


#21 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-04 11:05 PM | Reply

An interesting view...

Donald Trump's $175m Bond Rejection Raises Questions
www.newsweek.com

... onald Trump's problematic $175 million bond to cover his New York civil fraud appeal has raised questions about what exactly led to the rejection of his insurer's paperwork, says a legal analyst.

The Trump Organization's court-appointed monitor, Barbara Jones, likely has all the answers, MSNBC legal analyst, Lisa Rubin, wrote on X, formerly Twitter.

"I can think of a courtroom full of journalists, as well as a bunch of lawyers in the New York Attorney General's office, who would love to know what Barbara Jones presumably knows right now," Rubin said.

On Wednesday, a message on the New York State Supreme Court's electronic filing system showed Trump's "Bond/Undertaking" had been "returned for correction." ...


I had forgotten about Ms Jones.

How public of a part will she wind up playing here?

#22 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-05 12:59 AM | Reply

Thanks Lamp! Yoda

#23 | Posted by Yodagirl at 2024-04-05 10:26 AM | Reply

So how much longer does the giant orange POS have to properly post his bond? This is becoming a farce...

#24 | Posted by earthmuse at 2024-04-05 11:20 AM | Reply

This is becoming a farce...

#24 | POSTED BY EARTHMUSE

Lol. Becoming a farce?

It's been a farce since Trumpy's "birther movement".

#25 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-04-05 01:15 PM | Reply

Now that Mr. Hankey has provided financial statements it is looking like Trump's bond may not meet New York legal requirement. Knight Capital's statement shows they do not possess enough liquidity to cover the $175M bond. The bonding company's financials do not meet New York requirements but the company is claiming they aren't bound by New York regulations since they are not based in the state. Good luck with that argument.

#26 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2024-04-05 03:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Trump's Lawyers Told the Court That No One Would Give Him a Bond. Then He Got a Lifeline, but They Didn't Tell the Judges.

[Trump's] lawyers had told the appellate court it was a "practical impossibility" to get a bond for the full amount of the lower court's judgment, $464 million. All of the 30 or so firms Trump had approached balked, either refusing to take the risk or not wanting to accept real estate as collateral, they said. That made raising the full amount "an impossible bond requirement."

But before the judges ruled, the impossible became possible: A billionaire lender approached Trump about providing a bond for the full amount.

The lawyers never filed paperwork alerting the appeals court. That failure may have violated ethics rules, legal experts say.

In an interview with ProPublica, billionaire California financier Don Hankey said he reached out to Trump's camp several days before the bond was lowered, expressing willingness to offer the full amount and to use real estate as collateral.

"I saw that they were rejected by everyone and I said, Gee, that doesn't seem like a difficult bond to post,'" Hankey said.

As negotiations between Hankey and Trump's representatives were underway, the appellate court ruled in Trump's favor, lowering the bond to $175 million. The court did not give an explanation for its ruling.

Hankey ended up giving Trump a bond for the lowered amount.

It's unclear if Trump lawyer Alina Habba or the rest of his legal team were made aware that Hankey reached out about a deal for the full amount. Trump's legal team did not respond to requests for comment.

After ProPublica reached out to Trump's representatives, Hankey called back and revised his account. He said he had heard "indirectly" about ProPublica's subsequent inquiries to Trump's lawyers. In the second conversation, he said that accepting the real estate as collateral would have been complicated and that he wouldn't have been able to "commit" to providing a bond in the full amount "until I evaluate the assets."

...

New York state's rules of professional conduct for lawyers forbid attorneys from knowingly making false statements to a court. At the time Trump's lawyers told the court that meeting the bond would be impossible, Hankey said he had not yet reached out to the Trump team.

But the rules of conduct also dictate that lawyers must "correct a false statement of material fact or law previously made" to the court.

"If that deal was on the table for the taking, the representation from the earlier time would be untrue, and the lawyer would have an obligation to correct," said Stephen Gillers, a legal ethics professor at New York University Law School.

In the rules of conduct for lawyers, the failure to update an important piece of evidence would fall under what's referred to as the "duty of candor to a tribunal," said Ellen Yaroshefsky, a professor of legal ethics at Hofstra Law.

"Any judge is going to be furious that this wasn't corrected," she said.

...

In his first interview with ProPublica, Hankey said that when he heard Trump was having trouble getting a bond, he reached out to Trump's camp, several days before the bond was reduced, with an offer to help.


www.propublica.org

#27 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-04-05 04:32 PM | Reply

That Guy Who Backed Trump's Bond? He May Not Have the Money

In a court filing on Thursday, Knight Speciality Insurance Company revealed that its liquid assets don't meet the needs of Trump's already minimized bond. According to a financial assessment, the company, owned by billionaire Don Hankey, has just $138 million in "surplus." Knight would therefore need to spend 127 percent of its reserves in order to cover Trump's bond"far more than the 10 percent of a state-regulated suretor's surplus that's allowed by New York law.

Shah also claimed that his company had more than $1 billion in equity, despite financial statements"which were only obtained after New York court clerks rejected the company's original bond posting and ordered it to refile"indicating the firm only held $26 million in "cash and bank deposits," with $483 million in stocks and bonds.

James's office has given Trump and his new financial bedfellows 10 days to "justify the surety."


newrepublic.com

Trump's being afforded a looooooooooong leash.

#28 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-04-05 04:42 PM | Reply

---- Fat Donnie Loser

#29 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-04-05 08:02 PM | Reply

Trump is still running out of time to post a legitimate bond for his appeal.

It would appear that Donald Trump, Mr. Don Hankey-(Pankey) and Knight Specialty Insurance et al were trying to pull a fast one to hoodwink the State of New York thus setting up grounds for Trump to cause another delay in the seizure of his property.

I can understand why Trump didn't bring his own attorneys into the loop. The fewer people who knew about the scam, the better. Not to mention that Trump's attorneys would have endangered themself for being part of a scam.

#30 | Posted by Twinpac at 2024-04-06 01:32 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Trump is still running out of time...

He's been running out of time since he blew his inheritance back in the '80s.

#31 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-04-06 01:35 AM | Reply

#31 | POSTED BY REDIAL-But look at the bright side-he got to hang with Epstein and molest underage girls while blowing through it...

#32 | Posted by Yodagirl at 2024-04-06 11:16 AM | Reply

Where are our MAGA supporters insisting that a new Trump presidency would not be a hellscape?

#33 | Posted by Zed at 2024-04-06 11:25 AM | Reply

Where are our MAGA supporters insisting that a new Trump presidency would not be a hellscape?

#33 | POSTED BY ZED

Why would they do that?

Turning America into a hellscape is the actual plan. (See project 2025 for details).

#34 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-04-06 11:38 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

FRAUD

#35 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-04-06 04:38 PM | Reply

@#31 ... He's been running out of time since he blew his inheritance back in the '80s. ...

From what I've heard over the years...

In the late 1990's, early 2000's, it seemed that citizen Trump had blown through his final inheritance. In spite of that, he apparently came up with 100's of millions of $$$ from somewhere (or someone?) to build golf courses in Scotland and buy another one.

It was reported that he ultimately spent 100's of millions of dollars on those golf courses.

But where did all that money come from?

#36 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-06 04:41 PM | Reply

It was reported that he ultimately spent 100's of millions of dollars on those golf courses.

And they are losing money, and always have. That makes them legit Lewzer businesses.

#37 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-04-06 04:53 PM | Reply

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