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With nearly 80% of boomers planning to age in place, the outlook for existing home inventory could stay tight.
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... The sentiments could perhaps suggest a tighter outlook for existing home inventory. This comes as a shortage of houses for sale already exists today, with inventory at historically low levels, according to Redfin. The main reason baby boomers want to age in place is money. About 54% of boomers have no incentive to move because they don't have a mortgage, and those who do have a much lower interest rate than if they were to sell and buy another home. Some states, like California and Texas, have tax systems that make it financially beneficial to stay put. ...
The main reason baby boomers want to age in place is money. About 54% of boomers have no incentive to move because they don't have a mortgage, and those who do have a much lower interest rate than if they were to sell and buy another home.
Some states, like California and Texas, have tax systems that make it financially beneficial to stay put. ...
#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-02 03:00 PM | Reply
Is the alternative supposed to be selling your house and moving into the old folks home?
I bet that's not affordable for the many if not most of the boomers.
#2 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-02 03:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4
How is this different than any previous generation? did we expect someting different from them?
#3 | Posted by eberly at 2024-04-02 03:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1
Fkkking boomers!
#4 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-04-02 03:12 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1
I'm living in mine and still own the one I grew up in.
#5 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-04-02 03:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1
Just to annoy Clownshack... :-)
#6 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-04-02 03:14 PM | Reply | Funny: 1
You a boomer?
Oh man.
Just when you thought you liked a person ...
:D
#7 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-04-02 03:57 PM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 1
I mean. I own my home and will (most likely) inherit my parents house.
One day I shall be where you are.
Look down on younger generations and laughing.
#8 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-04-02 03:58 PM | Reply
Looking ...
Flopped that one.
#9 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-04-02 03:59 PM | Reply
Is the alternative supposed to be selling your house and moving into the old folks home? - snoofy
Tell me you don't have children without telling me you don't have children.
No, sell it and move into a smaller home.
#10 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-04-02 04:15 PM | Reply | Funny: 1
"sell it and move into a smaller home."
That's what I said, you just skipped the "old folks" part.
#11 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-02 04:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1
-Tell me you don't have children without telling me you don't have children.
LOL
no kids no home no future
#12 | Posted by eberly at 2024-04-02 04:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1
#3 | Posted by eberly
That was my initial thought.
I guess an answer would be to look at the rates of moves following retirements. If less are turning snowbird, then that might be the difference.
Or many could be, like my parents, getting a second place to winter in warmer climates. They spend March-November in the house I grew up in in NY and December-March in a condo in St Augustine.
#13 | Posted by jpw at 2024-04-03 12:11 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1
JPW
I just read an article today about how retirees who've made the move to Florida are leaving in droves due to skyrocketing homeowner's insurance premiums (3x the national average and an increase of 43% just last year), shocking surprise increases in HOA fees, auto insurance premiums double or more what they paid in their home states (and rising), inability to find dependable services, the political climate, etc etc
#14 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2024-04-03 01:43 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1
"Just when you thought you liked a person ..."
Bet your parents appreciate your feelings towards them, you know, those elderly people that raidef you.
"I just read an article today about how retirees who've made the move to Florida are leaving in droves due to skyrocketing homeowner's insurance premiums (3x the national average and an increase of 43% just last year), shocking surprise increases in HOA fees, auto insurance premiums double or more what they paid in their home states (and rising), inability to find dependable services, the political climate, etc etc #14 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY"
I've considered it but when I see the winter weather up north I just can't seem to actually do it.
#15 | Posted by danni at 2024-04-03 07:03 AM | Reply
I think we are focusing on the wrong issue when speaking of home affordability. Yes, prices are high but another question to be asked is why is it that younger people can't AFFORD to buy these homes? Could it have ANYTHING to do with the increasing wealth gap? If young people could earn more they could afford to pay for these homes.
Don't blame boomer home owners for making what they consider to be sound financial decisions. A home is the one asset that has the potential of allowing many of them to not become a financial burden on their families.
#16 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2024-04-03 07:11 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2
What AU says about He doesn't do anything about soaring insurance bills but at least my lilly white grandchildren don't have to learn about black history! And, we have more banned books than any other state! And now Desantis's (yuck it tastesso bad to say his name; his six week abortion ban will go into effect so he can pander to the ignorant, hateful Evangelical Christians. Who still enjoy tax fee status with the understanding that they stay out of politics, which obviously, they don't. We should be protesting right in front of their churches on Sunday mornings. I do not want those ass***es limiting women's rights in this country but Republicans need their votes so they pander to them shamefully.
#17 | Posted by danni at 2024-04-03 07:37 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 5
#15 | POSTED BY DANNI
My son assures me that the climate in Michigan will be like Florida soon enough. Beat the rush.
#18 | Posted by Dbt2 at 2024-04-03 09:58 AM | Reply
That's what I said, you just skipped the "old folks" part. #11 | POSTED BY SNOOFY
No you didn't.
Google 'old folks home".
#19 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-04-03 10:13 AM | Reply
A lot of policies and political corruption, and forever more money in politics have led to a decline of working /middle class and creation of a super elite class. Here are several.
- allowing unfettered unvetted immigration of unskilled culturally diverse that only hurts our poor. - allowing non productive vocations like pro sports to be paid billions using taxpayer funded facitilities and relatively low taxes - allowing Social Security earnings to be capped at middle class when the ss cash flow is used to fund everything ie.wars and handouts to the other countries. - giving tax subsidies to universities that increase tuition far above inflation. - no tax cuts to CEOs that do mergers or move jobs and production off shore. -every policy should be directed to improving USA economics not foreign wars. -public schools need to be measured on educational improvements and results. Schools closed and students lose. Instead the cost of education increase along with taxes but results worse.
There are issues with both parties on this where they under cut Americans to get political and financial benefits for themselves and foreign national cronies.
#20 | Posted by Robson at 2024-04-03 10:45 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1
"allowing unfettered unvetted immigration"
When was the last time this happened, 1619?
#21 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-03 11:05 AM | Reply
I never understood that buying a different home every time you moved if you moved often. For most people, it is just turning the banks into your landlord.
#22 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2024-04-03 11:46 AM | Reply | Funny: 1
"ss cash flow is used to fund everything ie.wars and handouts to the other countries."
"Social Security taxes and other income are deposited in these accounts, and Social Security benefits are paid from them. The only purposes for which these trust funds can be used are to pay benefits and program administrative costs."
www.ssa.gov
#23 | Posted by danni at 2024-04-03 11:53 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2
Re 23
RobotSon is NOT known for his understanding of the issues or even basic facts.
He IS becoming well known for spewing propaganda and hateful lies and distorted twisted garbage with the main intent of undermining the current administration and or democracy in general.
Not sure what he hopes to gain or prove other than he is not from around here or he is just a willful ignorananus. ( yes Siri and I just invented a new word!)
#24 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-04-03 12:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2
But is it fair for Biden to promote a plan to create high rise, high density, pre-planned apartment ghettos, with more criminality, all covered with graffiti, full of non American illegal migrants who import a culture of more slovinliness all in the middle of your low crime, clean tidy suburbs, because that will be the outcome.
You think Joe Biden is on your side spending your tax money destroying your pleasant safe neighborhood and quality of life? Think reality not political loyalty.
#25 | Posted by Robson at 2024-04-03 12:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1
Donnerboy says I am wrong on some stuff and he may be correct, but I do not spew the idiocracy of Joe Biden and the left. There is nothing they have done that most normal hard working Americans view as good policy. Biden and his left wing supporters are clueless fools that make bad decisions on everything. Doesn't he even think? Most leftists on this discussion forum cant say any positive about him. Nothing Biden does makes USA better. Instead he allies with Mexican drug cartels to bring in illegals, criminals, and fentanyl to harm us. The left are shrewd and devious and make no sense.
#26 | Posted by Robson at 2024-04-03 06:32 PM | Reply
Biden Accomplishments
30 Things Joe Biden Did as President You Might Have Missed
Expanded overtime guarantees for millions
First over-the-counter birth control pill to hit U.S. stores in 2024
Gun violence prevention and gun safety get a boost
Renewable power is the No. 2 source of electricity in the U.S. " and climbing
Preventing discriminatory mortgage lending
www.politico.com
There's 25 more at the link, all with detail. Of course, these are 30 of the less obvious accomplishments.
#27 | Posted by Corky at 2024-04-03 06:57 PM | Reply
The billionare elites and internet Gods that own you and Joe Biden and DNC created social media so the sheep would then lock themselves into coercive political positions that only divides and harms.
When (you as in "you")write and express opinions on politics on internet discussion media it locks you in as knowledgeable when it is pure politics and nothing but opinion.
#28 | Posted by Robson at 2024-04-03 07:08 PM | Reply
#22 | POSTED BY RIGHTISTRITE
It depends, there is a cross over point of about 9 yrs depending upon interest rate, after that it's profitable to sell and move.
Selling before this period is just renting.
The other external is the increase in the value of the home.
This could decrease that time significantly.
#29 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-04-03 07:36 PM | Reply
#28 | Posted by Robson
How do you feel about fake billionaire donald trump totally flip flopping on his tiktok ban after they paid him a fat bribe?
#30 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-04-03 07:56 PM | Reply
Robson is telling us he doesn't own a house without saying he doesn't own a house
#31 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2024-04-03 08:27 PM | Reply
Robson sure is mad at something. Likely the pathetic state of his life.
Sad.
#32 | Posted by earthmuse at 2024-04-03 08:42 PM | Reply
"You" won't find Robotson quoting any facts or figures.... Trump World being a fact free universe.
#33 | Posted by Corky at 2024-04-03 10:26 PM | Reply
Everyone should remember Republicans when they are buying groceries and how those ass****s didn't want them here because they would take your jobs. How many of us really pick tomatoes for a living? Do you really want to pay three times more for fresh veggies or is the our animosity towards theme really just an expression of your need to frel superior to someone else?
#34 | Posted by danni at 2024-04-04 08:30 AM | Reply
Some people might want to plan to leave it to their children if they can afford to not touch the equity.
#35 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-04-04 10:16 AM | Reply
Corky,
Biden had one advantage when he went in office.
The dems had already used covid to destroy the vibrant economy when Trump was president, so when Biden went in office there was no where to go but up.
The economy was seriously stalled. All Biden had to do was get out of the way and get credit for it.
#36 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-04-04 10:23 AM | Reply
The dems had already used covid to destroy the vibrant economy when Trump was president, so when Biden went in office there was no where to go but up. The economy was seriously stalled. All Biden had to do was get out of the way and get credit for it.
POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON AT 2024-04-04 10:23 AM | REPLY
Oh do STFU BillJohnson. The Democrats didn't destroy the economy during COVID-19. It was the virus itself that did damage to the economy. You're such a intellectually dishonest partisan hack.
#37 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-04-04 10:39 AM | Reply
#36 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON
Holy ----! Biden was president in 2020?! Your alzheimer's is as bad as Trump's.
I'd love to hear your explanation for this one.
#38 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-04-04 11:28 AM | Reply
Laura,
If you read anything but liberal propaganda you'd see studies are saying we over reacted.
#39 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-04-04 11:29 AM | Reply
When you compare cost vs benefit.
Cost doesn't only include money. The damage to society and people's lives.
#40 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-04-04 11:34 AM | Reply
"Oh do STFU BillJohnson. The Democrats didn't destroy the economy during COVID-19. It was the virus itself that did damage to the economy. You're such a intellectually dishonest partisan hack."
Then why do Biden and Dems keep blaming Trump for the economy? In fact, it was just last week that once again both Hillary and KJP blamed the economic problems solely on Trump (as if 3 years of Biden isn't enough time to put any blame on him). Don't get me wrong, I agree with you 100%. But Biden and Dems are constantly defending the last three year's as Trump's fault, not covid or anything else.
#41 | Posted by humtake at 2024-04-04 11:52 AM | Reply
How many years will it take to reverse the damage caused by covid to the economy?
Some things will never come back and some people will never be the same.
Of course the people who were already living off the tax payers when it hit probably didn't suffer much.
#42 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-04-04 12:14 PM | Reply
"the people who were already living off the tax payers when it hit probably didn't suffer much."
So did you spend your stimulus, or did you send it back?
#43 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-04-04 12:21 PM | Reply
"studies are saying we over reacted"
Were the 1.2 million dead interviewed, or is that just the conclusion of the survivors?
#44 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-04-04 12:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1
"studies are saying we over reacted" Maybe Trumpy shouldn't have thrown out/ignored the Obama pandemic playbook that was left for him and fire the the pandemic response team in 2018. To "save money".
Trumpy also cut funding for the CDC, forcing the CDC to cancel its efforts to help countries prevent infectious-disease threats from becoming epidemics in 39 of 49 countries in 2018. (Including China)
And the "studies" also say we did not react properly and we would likely not even survive an even slightly more deadly pandemic.
#45 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-04-04 01:00 PM | Reply
"Some things will never come back and some people will never be the same."
Yup. Especially the ~1.2 million that didn't survive it (and their families). Heck of job there Trumpy!
#46 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-04-04 01:03 PM | Reply
BJ... you have it backasswards.
Trump inherited a great economy... he got the ball on the one yard line, and then he fumbled it.
Biden inherited Trump's field position disaster, then proceeded to lead the rest of the world in economic recovery.
You need to take off your orange-colored glasses.
#47 | Posted by Corky at 2024-04-04 01:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1
I work in business and industrial accounting in particular.
The economy was doing well until covid. Dems complained Trump wasn't shutting down the economy fast enough.
What Trump inherited isn't the point.
The economy was deliberately shutdown by the Democrats who overreached what they demanded.
Like I said things had no where to go but up when Biden took office. Jobs started coming back and Biden then became to job creating president.
#48 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-04-04 01:21 PM | Reply | Funny: 1
Actually. Trump shut down the economy and started signing stimulus checks.
All because he defunded the CDC in order to pay for his tax cut for himself.
But. You're a deplorable Trumping MAGAt and revisionism is all you got.
#49 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-04-04 01:26 PM | Reply
A friend recently sold her home and moved into an independant living "cottage" rental because it was getting hard for her to keep up with lawnmowing, housecleaning, etc. It was a huge mistake. Her rent is about $4000 (about double the price for a comparable apartment) and for that she gets 1 meal per day. They provide additional meals, maid service and health care aids, billed separately at rates about double what she would pay on her own. By contract she can't bring in any outside help. Previously she had a very nice home with a $2000/mo mortgage including property insurance and tax escrow, + about $150/mot utility bill. For the $1850 difference she could be paying someone to mow her lawn and get lunch. But hey, there is BINGO on Wednesday nights and a shuttlebus to Target. She is not financially savvy and thought it was going to be like an all inclusive resort, with all her needs taken care of for the rest of her life for one low price. Didn't read the contract. She will be evicted soon because she can't afford her rent, as the little bit of equity from the sale of her house (to a "we buy houses fast" investor) has run out. Sad story.
#50 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2024-04-04 01:26 PM | Reply
"things had no where to go but up when Biden took office."
Thank God Trump withheld the severity from the public! And turned mask-wearing and vaccines into political statements, right?
#51 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-04-04 01:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1
"The economy was deliberately shutdown by the Democrats"
The Party of Responsibility once again DEMANDS responsibility...from someone else.
#52 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-04-04 01:29 PM | Reply
Eldercare is a predatory business. The business model is to siphon your entire life savings as quickly as possible, then go after Medicaid. (Or toss you out because they don't take Medicaid)
#53 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2024-04-04 01:30 PM | Reply
I'm moving to The Philippines after my wife retires. The cost of living is roughly 20 cents on the $Dollar. Lots of Expats there. I have a "Plantation" in Mindanao (5 acres) my brother-in-law grows Coconuts, Bananas, Mangoes, Calamondine(citrus fruit) on it.
That'll be our side income. We're looking forward to it
#54 | Posted by shane at 2024-04-04 01:32 PM | Reply
Sounds wonderful.
#55 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-04-04 01:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1
"I'm moving to The Philippines after my wife retires. The cost of living is roughly 20 cents on the $Dollar."
I had clients who visited that part of the world on a church mission, and went back to open a boys' orphanage. He was a carpenter/engineer, and she was a tutor.
The three things I remember were:
Newcomers with money were expected to hire a cook, maid, and gardener, all from the village. The going rate for massages was $1 an hour. (10-15 years ago) When I asked about her heating/cooling costs for her home office...she had none. Didn't ever need it.
Sounds like paradise!
#56 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-04-04 01:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1
#50 | POSTED BY MIRANDA7
Was she married to someone who was in the military? A friend's mother was able to get money each month based on her deceased husband being a veteran when she was in an assisted living facility. I don't know if the program is good for folks in an independent living facility or not.
#57 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-04-04 01:41 PM | Reply
"Her rent is about $4000 (about double the price for a comparable apartment) and for that she gets 1 meal per day. They provide additional meals, maid service and health care aids, billed separately at rates about double what she would pay on her own. By contract she can't bring in any outside help. Previously she had a very nice home with a $2000/mo mortgage including property insurance and tax escrow, + about $150/mot utility bill. For the $1850 difference she could be paying someone to mow her lawn and get lunch."
She didn't have any equity?
Selling her house should pay for five to ten years of the apartment.
#58 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-04 01:42 PM | Reply
#57 Oh, sorry, it's just for assisted living:
Assisted Living Benefits for Veterans: A Comprehensive Guide
www.aplaceformom.com
#59 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-04-04 01:45 PM | Reply
"Trump inherited a great economy."
True.
Few starker differences exist than the economy Barack Obama was handed, and the one he handed off.
Meanwhile, Trump was the second Republican president in a row to inherit a roaring economy, and hand off a crippled one.
#60 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-04-04 01:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2
- The economy was deliberately shutdown by the Democrats who
Saved an untold number of lives in this country.... while rwingers could only see an imaginary, "Plandemic!".
Which you are obviously still obsessed by.
#61 | Posted by Corky at 2024-04-04 02:05 PM | Reply
"The economy was deliberately shutdown by the Democrats who overreached what they demanded."
What a maroon. It was global pandemic and we as a nation reacted very badly but we actually did better and recovered quicker than most nations.
We are actually lucky we did as well as we did considering our lack of initial response and our piss poor behavior during.
We were lucky it wasn't worse. If our behavior was any example of how we will react to to a REALLY deadly pandemic we are doomed.
If we react that way again we won't survive a 30-50% mortality rate disease (like the Black Death). Our civilization will collapse.
#62 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-04-04 02:22 PM | Reply
It was global pandemic and we as a nation reacted very badly but we actually did better and recovered quicker than most nations.
This is because the US can print money, then export that money (inflation) to the rest of the world.
If our behavior was any example of how we will react to to a REALLY deadly pandemic we are doomed.
Agree to disagree. If it was deadly deadly, people would have shuttered longer.
Our civilization will collapse.
Its collapsing now.
Kids aren't going to school. Crime has no consequence. Manners and civil behavior are gone. Inflation isn't "transient". The border is chaos. Government is taking political prisoners. One sides lawyers are being disbarred. Government flying in newcomers at an unheard of rate. Voting with only a SS which any newcomer can get.
The list of the insanity grows daily. Its just a matter of time one black swan event it will completely devolve.
#63 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-04-04 02:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1
Donner,
Trump fast tracked a vacinne.
The black plague people didn't understand what was causing it.
#64 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-04-04 02:44 PM | Reply
So find one of those ritzy continuing care retirement places, but they are all inhabited by rich Democrat elites busy fretting about need for DEI on staff.
#65 | Posted by Robson at 2024-04-04 03:53 PM | Reply | Funny: 2
Clown,
Were you reading this site at the start of covid?
Nothing but wah wah wah Trump isn't implementing mandatory stay home.
#66 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-04-04 04:32 PM | Reply
Nothing but wah wah wah Trump isn't implementing mandatory stay home. #66 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON
By whom. Be specific.
#67 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-04-04 04:42 PM | Reply
Here in Texas, we gave the Boomer's a huge tax break so they don't have to sell their homes...or pay the same as working class folks.
You know, because Grandpa doesn't want to pay enough taxes on his $1 million lake front home he bought for a nickel in 1980 and expects 4 family homes to cover him.
#68 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-04-04 04:47 PM | Reply
#68
What was the tax break?
In Texas is property tax high?
#69 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-04-04 04:49 PM | Reply
Rsty,
I don't keep posts.
I'm sure someone does.
It was the usual anti-Trump crowd.
#70 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-04-04 04:50 PM | Reply
I sure didn't read people defending Trump.
You couldn't say anything unless you'd be accused of wishing for death of the masses.
#71 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-04-04 04:52 PM | Reply
Nothing but wah wah wah Trump isn't implementing mandatory stay home. #66 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON AT 2024-04-04 04:32 PM | REPLY
This Country would have been better off had we of had lockdowns earlier. It would have saved countless lives.
#72 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-04-04 05:34 PM | Reply
"Donner, Trump fast tracked a vacinne (sic). The black plague people didn't understand what was causing it. #64 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON AT 2024-04-04 02:44 PM"
President Trump's action regarding fast-tracking a vaccine might best be described as: 'too little; too late'.
apnews.com
His other actions/inactions and rhetoric seriously hampered the benefits of helping to fast-track the vaccine.
As for the comment regarding the Black Death: Those folks did not understand what was causing it and did not know what to do to stop it. The folks facing the COVID-19 virus might have had a better understanding of its cause but also did not (initially) know how to stop it. Different circumstances, but with many of the same results. Fortunately, a better understanding of what viruses are and how they propagate/mutate/transport led to a better (more effective) response. Well, at least by many! I don't fault folks for not making the best choices in light of ignorance. 20-20 hindsight arguments are both foolish and non-productive. However, I've little patience to deal with folks who willfully maintain their ignorance (especially when their actions affect the rest of society).
#73 | Posted by TrueBlue at 2024-04-04 05:35 PM | Reply
"What was the tax break?"
...seniors can apply for an exemption from Texas property taxes. This is true: when you reach the age of 65, you can file an affidavit with the chief appraiser in your district to exempt yourself from the collection of taxes on your property.
"In Texas is property tax high?"
Pretty much every state not charging an income tax, uses property taxes to partially compensate.
#74 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-04-04 05:50 PM | Reply
Normal conservative Americans know enough to own a sensible house that fits their budget. Own being the operative word. We know paying the taxes and insurance is far cheaper than paying $8k per person for a nursing home.
#75 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2024-04-04 07:19 PM | Reply
Phester. You couldn't buy a house in today's market if your life depended on it.
You're just lucky when you were buying a house they only cost three raspberries.
#76 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-04-04 07:22 PM | Reply
If you need nursing home care you probably won't get it at home for under $8k/mo.
According to Genworth Financial, the median monthly cost of in-home care is: $4,957 per month for homemaker services. $5,148 per month for a home health aide. health.usnews.com
#77 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-04 07:25 PM | Reply
Let's make sure we cut social security.
Americans living paycheck to paycheck will be just fine when they're forced into retirement.
#78 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-04-04 07:32 PM | Reply
@#75 ... Normal conservative Americans know enough to own a sensible house that fits their budget. ...
Why limit that to only "normal" "conservative" Americans? Have any data to back that up?
... Own being the operative word. ...
Why is "own" the operative word?
... We know paying the taxes and insurance is far cheaper than paying $8k per person for a nursing home. ...
$8K how frequently?
That aside...
My Mom, when she was in her 90's, she was living in her home. A fully-paid-for three bedroom ranch house.
Meals-On-Wheels ( www.mealsonwheelsamerica.org ) delivered her meals, so she did not have to cook.
She lived there until the last two weeks of her life.
So, what's yer point?
#79 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-04 07:34 PM | Reply
-Why limit that to only "normal" "conservative" Americans? Have any data to back that up?
Who else knows that?
#80 | Posted by eberly at 2024-04-04 08:21 PM | Reply
True,
People are still arguing were covid came from.
Of course it came from the lab but there's still people in denial.
#81 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-04-04 08:38 PM | Reply | Funny: 1
@#81 ... People are still arguing were covid came from.
Of course it came from the lab but there's still people in denial. ...
Got evidence? or is this the usual unsubstantiated assertion of your alias?
That aside, why the apparent overt attempt to deflect this thread?
What problem does your alias have with this thread?
#82 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-04 08:41 PM | Reply
@#80 ... Who else knows that? ...
What is the "that" your comment refers to?
#83 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-04 08:42 PM | Reply
Why is "own" the operative word? - gaslighter
Because Lumpers rent.
#84 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-04-04 08:44 PM | Reply
"Normal conservative Americans know enough to own a sensible house that fits their budget."
What's wrong with that statement?
#85 | Posted by eberly at 2024-04-04 08:46 PM | Reply | Funny: 1
www.reuters.com
World No direct evidence COVID started in Wuhan lab, US intelligence report says By Dan Whitcomb June 23, 20237:55 PM CDTUpdated 9 months ago
June 23 (Reuters) - U.S. intelligence agencies found no direct evidence that the COVID-19 pandemic stemmed from an incident at China's Wuhan Institute of Virology, a report declassified on Friday said. The four-page report by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI) said the U.S. intelligence community still could not rule out the possibility that the virus came from a laboratory, however, and had not been able to discover the origins of the pandemic.
#86 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-04-04 08:46 PM | Reply
@#81
And, fwiw, paging BillJohnson on another thread....
drudge.com
... BillJohnson your response is needed on this thread. Please respond promptly please. ...
#87 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-04 08:47 PM | Reply
is this the usual unsubstantiated assertion of your alias? - gaslighter
It maybe unsubstantiated but it is logical and with in the Ockham's razor principle.
Let me guess in your opinion coming from a lab or a pangolin have the same possibility.
#88 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-04-04 08:47 PM | Reply
@#88 ... It maybe unsubstantiated but it is logical and with in the Ockham's razor principle. ...
So your current alias admits it has got nothing to substantiate what it posts.
Good to know.
#89 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-04 08:50 PM | Reply
course it came from the lab but there's still people in denial. #81 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON
No direct evidence, which to your point, is why people are debating.
Swallow it.
#90 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-04-04 09:02 PM | Reply
What's wrong with that statement? #85 | POSTED BY EBERLY
You unable to see the trolling in the comment?
#91 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-04-04 09:15 PM | Reply
91
No.
Oh, you're referring to what you find to be an offensive word, am I right?
It's evil to you to even be financially conservative?
You're so obsessed with hate you can't see there is no relationship to being financially conservative and politically conservative?
#92 | Posted by eberly at 2024-04-04 09:18 PM | Reply
"It's evil to you to even be financially conservative?"
Hahaha!!!
#93 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-04 09:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1
Well. That's why you're confused.
Glad I was able to help.
As to the ret of your butt hurt whining.
Wipe up after yourself.
It's disgusting.
#94 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-04-04 09:49 PM | Reply
94
Your hatred is just a little embarrassing, isn't it?
#95 | Posted by eberly at 2024-04-04 09:52 PM | Reply
What are you talking about, stupid.
#96 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-04-04 09:55 PM | Reply
-Phester
"He means being fiscally conservative!!!"
-Beverly
Shut up. Moron.
All you're doing is eating Phester's shht.
You fecophiliac.
#97 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-04-04 09:58 PM | Reply
Lamp,
Since it looks like Trump is ahead in the polls in important states, will it matter?
#98 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-04-04 09:58 PM | Reply
Lamp, Since it looks like Trump is ahead in the polls in important states, will it matter?
POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON AT 2024-04-04 09:58 PM | REPLY
So You FINALLY admit that your ire over mail in voting was just because Trump lost and there was no genuine concern over the integrity over the voting process ehhhhhhhh?? Like we couldn't figure that out from jump street.
#99 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-04-04 10:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2
Oh yea.
BJ is a full fledged deplorable Trumping MAGAt.
Through and through.
Explains the self loathing life he lives.
He needs someone's boot on his neck, barking at him.
Trump is his daddy.
#100 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-04-04 10:09 PM | Reply
@#98 ... Since it looks like Trump is ahead in the polls in important states, will it matter? ...
So... nothing but a deflection attempt from your alias to the question I posed to it in #87.
Quelle surprise.
#101 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-04 10:10 PM | Reply
97 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2024-04-04 09:58 PM | FLAG: Seriously obsessed with men's anuses
#102 | Posted by eberly at 2024-04-04 10:12 PM | Reply
@#99 ... So You FINALLY admit that your ire over mail in voting ...
To be honest, it surprised me how quickly that alias backed down from its prior mail voting opinions, and tried to change the topic of conversation.
Who would have thought?
#103 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-04 10:13 PM | Reply
Seriously obsessed with men's anuses #102 | POSTED BY EBERLY
Is that you referring to yourself as an --------?
I mean. I don't disagree.
Quite honest of you.
#104 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-04-04 10:14 PM | Reply
To be honest, it surprised me how quickly that alias backed down from its prior mail voting opinions, and tried to change the topic of conversation. Who would have thought?
#103 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER AT 2024-04-04 10:13 PM |
Yeah me too. I'm having giggles over it right now. It's hilarity at its finest.
#105 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-04-04 10:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1
#16 Fedupwithpols Don't forget that a lot of us if we sold our homes, might not be able to even buy a smaller house with the high rise of the cost of homes. Houses are way overpriced and seniors live on fixed incomes, so even selling an expensive house might not enable us to afford buying another house, plus moving. I had enough of that in the Army.
#106 | Posted by Ronnie68 at 2024-04-04 11:16 PM | Reply
Who backed down?
I still believe the same about the wide spread use of mail-in ballots.
The opportunity for cheating and ballot harvesting still exists regardless how many states pretend otherwise.
If Trump wins we can watch Democrats grind their teeth this time.
We just don't need another election of close results and peculiar numbers.
With this election there will be more numbers to compare election results that will either support the 2020 numbers or show something was actually wrong with the 2020 election.
I have not backed down from my opinion.
#107 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-04-05 11:04 AM | Reply
My comment earlier meant if Trump wins, my concern with mail-in ballots and cheating for me will be a moot point.
Read the definition of moot point before you start insulting me.
#108 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-04-05 11:10 AM | Reply
My comment earlier meant if Trump wins, my concern with mail-in ballots and cheating for me will be a moot point. Read the definition of moot point before you start insulting me.
POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON AT 2024-04-05 11:10 AM | REPLY
HAHAHAHAHA You just can't help yourself can you?? See it's all about Trump and nothing about voting integrity. You're just mad Trump lost in 2020 and blaming it on mail in ballots.
#109 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-04-05 11:18 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1
My comment 'We just don't need another election of close results and peculiar numbers' means I am concerned about voting integrity.
#110 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-04-05 12:16 PM | Reply | Funny: 1
"I am concerned about voting integrity."
No, you're concerned with "certain" people having as much access to voting as you do.
Which reminds me: How long did it take for you to vote in the last Presidential election?
This is the fifth time I've asked. You'd think it'd be an easy question to answer.
#111 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-04-05 12:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1
Most of the factual instances of voting impropriety in the last election have been adjudicated in Court, mostly against Republican perps.
Most of the accusations against Dems have been laughed out of Courts for lack of anything resembling evidence.
Perhaps your concerns are real, BJ, just misplaced.
#112 | Posted by Corky at 2024-04-05 12:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1
Not concerned enough to listen to people who share that concern and explain why integrity is not compromised.
#113 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-05 12:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1
My comment 'We just don't need another election of close results and peculiar numbers' means I am concerned about voting integrity. #110 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON
There were no peculiar numbers unless you believe the lies and have no comprehension how voting works.
#114 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-04-05 01:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1
I am concerned about voting integrity. #110 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON
No. You obviously are not.
Or you would be outraged at Trumpy and his insurrectionists trying to overthrow and undermine the results of the 2020 elections and continuing to lie about it for years.
#115 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-04-05 01:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1
Don't be ridiculous.
They had no chance of overthrowing the government.
It was a mistake to enter the building though...bad mistake.
Unless you think stealing the gavel is like stealing Thor's hammer, they had no real chance to overthrow the government.
Now cheating with ballots is possible.
Personally, I still believe the 2020 election results were skewed.
Look up the word skewed if you aren't sure what it means.
#116 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-04-05 02:07 PM | Reply
- they had no real chance to overthrow the government.
They absolutely did have a chance. Grassley was standing by ready to accept the Fake Elector Ballots if Pence was unable to return to accept the State Approved Ballots.
This was a near miss at an attempt to overthrow the election.
#117 | Posted by Corky at 2024-04-05 02:15 PM | Reply
What would have happened after it was discovered they were fake, if they had gone through?
#118 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-04-05 02:31 PM | Reply
BJ is so worried about integrity he's living his life pretending to be something he's not.
Talk about integrity.
What a fkkking loser.
#119 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-04-05 02:35 PM | Reply
BJ
It would have been a done deal... Republicans would have declared Trump the winner.
"Those ballots had no legal standing, but Trump and his supporters used them to pressure then-Vice President Mike Pence to discard the actual results from the states in question when he presided over Congress's Jan. 6, 2021 session to certify the election outcome.
That would have left Biden short of the needed 270-vote majority, giving Republicans in Congress a chance to declare Trump the victor.
Pence refused to go along with the scheme, saying he did not have the authority to reject electors."
#120 | Posted by Corky at 2024-04-05 02:47 PM | Reply
"They had no chance of overthrowing the government."
Easy for you to say because they failed. This time.
They were not successful in overthrowing the results of the election. This time. Though not for the lack of trying. But due to a few brave Americans who stood up to Trumpy and the his violent rioters (including Mike Pence) and barely holding democratic guardrails. Which did hold. This time.
They were, however, successful in stopping the peaceful transfer of power for the first time in American history. Congrats on that.
Do you realize that if that one Congressional aide had not grabbed the ballot box when they evacuated then they would not have been able to proceed with the count that evening?
Who knows what would have happened then.
If she had not grabbed the ballot box it and if the insurrectionists had gotten a hold of it then it would've destroyed the ability to verify the count after they reconvened because they have to physically look through the box and count the ballots.
#121 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-04-05 04:16 PM | Reply
This convinces me more than ever mail-in ballots are not good for major elections in the US.
I believe were it not for covid and the large scale use of mail-in ballots, Jan 6 would not have seen a Capitol breakin.
#122 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-04-05 04:34 PM | Reply
Jan 6 would not have seen a Capitol breakin.
Is that because you think Lewzer would have won? The breakin happened because he lost.
#123 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-04-05 04:37 PM | Reply
Americans must have faith in our systems.
A lot of Americans do not trust mail-in ballots. I don't.
Another election where we have to count chads or something similar, we may see riots much worse than Jan 6.
#124 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-04-05 04:37 PM | Reply
Redial,
I dare you to find a post of mine where I said I believe Biden didn't actually win.
#125 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-04-05 04:38 PM | Reply
I just said the Congress attack happened because Lewzer lost. Do you think Covid caused him to lose? There is an argument to be made for that, since his performance was pathetic.
#126 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-04-05 04:43 PM | Reply
And what does any of that have to do with Boomers staying in their homes... who derailed this thing anyway?
#127 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-04-05 04:44 PM | Reply
My comment was about the breakin.
Not what caused Trump to lose.
#128 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-04-05 04:53 PM | Reply
Pick up the thread then.
I'm a boomer.
If you live long enough you'll be my age one day.
#129 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-04-05 04:55 PM | Reply
It's pretty much done.
#130 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-04-05 05:00 PM | Reply
It's funny reading BJ talk about "integrity".
And then vote for the biggest liar, charlatan, cheating rapist conman to ever enter politics.
What a fkkking hypocrite.
#131 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-04-05 08:32 PM | Reply
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