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Tuesday, March 26, 2024

The Francis Scott Key Memorial Bridge collapsed early Tuesday morning after a ship struck it, officials say. Rescue efforts are underway after several vehicles fell into the water below. A vessel traveling out was believed to have struck a column of the bridge around 1:30 a.m.

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Thank god there weren't more cars and trucks on the 1.6 mile bridge when it collapsed.

Up to 20 people whose cars fell into the water are missing.

#1 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2024-03-26 05:19 AM | Reply

7 Construction workers are missing, too. They were repairing the deck at the time.

I've driven over this bridge at night. It was - uncomfortable. I can't imagine what those people felt.

Dramatic video, and the bridge is gone so fast. Unbelievable.

#2 | Posted by YAV at 2024-03-26 09:26 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Whoa!

#3 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2024-03-26 09:43 AM | Reply

Damn you AU stealing my glory. I beat you by 5 minutes.

#4 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2024-03-26 09:51 AM | Reply

That's very sad, I hope for the best outcome for those still missing.

#5 | Posted by Bluewaffles at 2024-03-26 09:52 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

This is horrible. When I lived in Brooklyn I used to take the Key when I went to Captain Jimmy's or Polack Johnny's (and my lovely Caroline) over in Edgemere, but usually I found an excuse to avoid it.
The only other highways that bypass Baltimore are the two tunnels which are consistently clogged with traffic. This is a major ------- disaster.

#6 | Posted by pumpkinhead at 2024-03-26 10:29 AM | Reply

Well, "by dawn's early light" the flag might have been there but not so much for the FSK bridge after its pier was trucked by a freighter.

Whatever design of bridge they replace this with, I hope that they surround the piers with reinforced concrete spikes or a comprehensive protective fender system.

And other vunerable bridge structures should be reevaluated and receive updated protection if deemed necessary.

Hopefully this will be the last time we see something like this in America.

#7 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-03-26 10:36 AM | Reply

MAGA is currently saying that immigrants or Israel did it. I thought they liked Israel? But I suppose that's not really possible if you also hate Jews.

#8 | Posted by Zed at 2024-03-26 11:01 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

MAGA is currently saying that immigrants or Israel did it.

Citation?

#9 | Posted by boaz at 2024-03-26 11:23 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

Oh the humanity!

Loss of steering and propulsion control? At the same time?

That should not be possible. But apparently it is.

#10 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-03-26 11:32 AM | Reply

Baltimore still has a functioning port?

#11 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-26 11:35 AM | Reply

No question about it, transportation has gone to hell since this administration took over.

#12 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-03-26 11:45 AM | Reply | Funny: 5

I drove over some bridges last year I would never travel again; one of them was over the Ohio River going into KY, I think it was. Built in 1928 for F's sake, and remodeled maybe once.

#13 | Posted by Corky at 2024-03-26 11:50 AM | Reply

A). Weird how the barge/boat lost power, regained it,
lost it, regained it.

B). Also weird how after one of the power regains the
barge/boat looked to veer straight towards the nearest
pylon.

I certainly would not let go of any of the ship's
personnel until after a thorough questioning...

#14 | Posted by earthmuse at 2024-03-26 11:56 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Weird how the barge/boat lost power, regained it,
lost it, regained it.

Malware could do that.

#15 | Posted by pumpkinhead at 2024-03-26 12:01 PM | Reply

"No question about it, transportation has gone to hell since this administration took over."

I guess that's what happens when "infrastructure week" is repeatedly announced, but never occurs until an administration later.

#16 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-03-26 12:25 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 3

I certainly would not let go of any of the ship's
personnel until after a thorough questioning...

#14 | POSTED BY EARTHMUSE

Definitely. Impound all their records and check for recent software updates.

That is one expensive "accident ".

#17 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-03-26 12:30 PM | Reply

No question about it, transportation has gone to hell since this administration took over.

#12 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS AT 2024-03-26 11:45 AM | FLAG:

No question about it, you're a partisan turd for immediately politicizing a disaster like this. Maybe you can explain to the class how Joe Biden and Pete Buttigieg are in any way responsible.

#18 | Posted by cbob at 2024-03-26 12:41 PM | Reply | Funny: 3 | Newsworthy 1

When I lived and worked in DC, I was on this bridge ALL the time. Crazy to think it's just gone.

Whoever the people were that heard the mayday and thought to close the bridge to vehicular traffic are damn heroes, and saved dozens of lives. I can't even imagine what this would look like if it happened at 1700 instead of 0130.

#19 | Posted by ABH at 2024-03-26 12:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

No question about it, you're a partisan turd for immediately politicizing a disaster like this. Maybe you can explain to the class how Joe Biden and Pete Buttigieg are in any way responsible.

#18 | POSTED BY CBOB AT 2024-03-26 12:41 PM | FLAG:

Now do the airline industry. The rail industry ... .

#20 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-03-26 12:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

" Now do the airline industry. The rail industry ... ."

Before you do revisit the prior guy's Infrastructure Week?

Why would anyone with a room temperature or higher IQ skip over the salient part?

#21 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-03-26 01:01 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

" No question about it, you're a partisan turd for immediately politicizing a disaster like this. Maybe you can explain to the class how Joe Biden and Pete Buttigieg are in any way responsible.

#18 | POSTED BY CBOB AT 2024-03-26 12:41 PM | FLAG: "

Do you remember Hurricane Katrina? Bush was even accused of blowing up levees in order to harm black people.

#22 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-03-26 01:06 PM | Reply

22

Ah, good. SO that makes it OK.

Or it makes it a whiny whataboutism.

#23 | Posted by Corky at 2024-03-26 01:11 PM | Reply

Damn you AU stealing my glory. I beat you by 5 minutes.

Your post has a higher number, so it was submitted later.

#24 | Posted by rcade at 2024-03-26 01:12 PM | Reply

Whatever design of bridge they replace this with, I hope that they surround the piers with reinforced concrete spikes or a comprehensive protective fender system.

I've been wondering if some kind of fender could've deflected the container ship instead of the pier taking the hit full on. Probably not possible with a ship so massive.

I have driven over the Dames Point Bridge in Jacksonville when container ships are going under. That's a nervous drive even with no ships around.

#25 | Posted by rcade at 2024-03-26 01:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

- Dames Point Bridge

Yeah, that's a bridge too far for me. Or a Bridge of Sighs... or a Bridge Over Troubled Water.

Heights never bothered me much, well, except for driving a big rig over the Lake Pontchartrain Bridge when I was younger. But these days I avoid them like the plague.

#26 | Posted by Corky at 2024-03-26 01:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

I blame Weird Al Yancovic. This never would've happened if he hadn't started changing the words to well-known songs.

#27 | Posted by sentinel at 2024-03-26 01:38 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

You know who was the victim of a cyber attack?

Me. My truck & trailer backed through the sunroom dining area of a Wendy's in 1998 and destroyed the salad bar. I still don't know how it happened and it wasn't my fault.

#28 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2024-03-26 01:47 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Do you remember Hurricane Katrina? Bush was even accused of blowing up levees in order to harm black people.
#22 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER AT 2024-03-26 01:06 PM"

There were conspiracy theories (and conspiracists!) back then, too.
Those conspiracy theories, about bombing the levees, placed the blame on local authorities and were proven to be wrong.

However, I was unable to find anything that blamed (then) President Bush for bombing the levees as you claimed.
Please provide evidence to support your claim.

#29 | Posted by TrueBlue at 2024-03-26 01:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Read this earlier today:

During its latest federal inspection, the Key Bridge scored a six out of nine, which is considered fair, a condition it had been labeled since 2008, according to CBS Baltimore.

The bridge passed inspection in May 2022, but there was concern with one of its columns. The reinforced concrete column " like the one hit by the ship " was downgraded from a health index, or condition rating, of 77.8 to 65.9.

Ben Schafer, professor of civil and systems engineering at Johns Hopkins University, told CBS News that most bridges in the U.S. fall in this "fair" range, which is "not what we would want or suspect" as a society. But, he said, the massive ship " not the condition of the Key Bridge " is likely to blame for its collapse.

#30 | Posted by qcp at 2024-03-26 01:55 PM | Reply

Consider the source, bellringer. It was Farrakhan ...

#31 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-03-26 02:10 PM | Reply


scrippsnews.com

... During a press conference at the White House Tuesday afternoon, President Joe Biden said his intentions are for the federal government to cover all the costs to replace the bridge.

The Army Corps of Engineers is at the scene of the collapse to help clear the channel as soon as possible so that the Port of Baltimore can reopen its operations.

President Biden noted the port, where the ship was departing from, is one of the busiest shipping hubs in the U.S. and handled a record amount of cargo last year. ...


#32 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-03-26 02:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

#25 | Posted by rcade

Sure. But when this bridge was designed and built ships of this size were not ferrying goods all over the world. I would bet they planned on a blow from a ship of the time.

Container Ship Size Over Time

That said, looking at the size of the opening it would like require a greater span than was there which is very doable. I seriously doubt they will build another Truss bridge in it's place. A suspension bridge SEEMS to make much more sense to me. I seriously cannot believe how completely that bridge collapsed.

#33 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2024-03-26 02:31 PM | Reply

@#93 ... I seriously cannot believe how completely that bridge collapsed. ...

My guess would be that if a main support of a bridge is critically damaged, the bridge is toast.

Think about what would happen if one of the towers of a suspension bridge were critically damaged?



#34 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-03-26 02:37 PM | Reply

Ben Schafer, professor of civil and systems engineering at Johns Hopkins University, told CBS News that most bridges in the U.S. fall in this "fair" range, which is "not what we would want or suspect" as a society. But, he said, the massive ship " not the condition of the Key Bridge " is likely to blame for its collapse.

#30 | Posted by qcp

Wish I would have relaoded That's actually funny. The ship is the absolute cause. That said... The condition could have contributed to the fact the ENTIRE SPAN collapsed.

He is right about not what we would expect in the condition of bridges. We don't think about the condition of these bridges. Then one falls all on its own (not this one) and we are aware for a day then we go right back to our oblivious status. I can think of a least a couple in the last 20 years - major bridges on major interstates. I know 3 small ones (over creeks) in my county that have failed in the same time span. In general we have not done proper up keep and replacement on them for 40-50 years.

#35 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2024-03-26 02:38 PM | Reply

When I lived and worked in DC, I was on this bridge ALL the time. Crazy to think it's just gone.
Whoever the people were that heard the mayday and thought to close the bridge to vehicular traffic are damn heroes, and saved dozens of lives. I can't even imagine what this would look like if it happened at 1700 instead of 0130.
#19 | POSTED BY ABH

Dave Statter
@STATter911

LISTEN: As I shared as this tragedy unfolded early this morning there was a warning that Maryland Governor Wes Moore now confirms saved lives. This is the radio traffic from the Maryland Transportation Authority Police stopping traffic on the Key Bridge after being warned the approaching ship lost steering. Watch the time checks as you listen. They only had about 100 seconds before the bridge collapsed.

www.youtube.com

#36 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-03-26 02:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

What to know about the Francis Scott Key Bridge
www.newsnationnow.com

... The Patapsco River remains one of the most vital means for shipping on the East Coast. It's also where "The Star-Spangled Banner" was born, inspiring Francis Scott Key -- whom the bridge is named after -- to compose the U.S. national anthem in 1814.

"Scholars believe the span crosses within 100 yards of the site where Francis Scott Key witnessed the bombardment of Fort McHenry on the evening of Sept. 12, 1814," according to the MDTA. ...

The latest data from the Maryland state government report revealed more than 12.4 million vehicles crossed the bridge in 2023. ...



#37 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-03-26 02:54 PM | Reply

Here's the GOP at its best lol

www.thedailybeast.com

#38 | Posted by brass30 at 2024-03-26 03:17 PM | Reply

Just a small aside

The American taxpayer will pay to replace this bridge

Destroyed by a private corporation

If you or I ran our car into public property we'd be paying for it

Corporation? Hardly

Thanks socialism!! Er I mean capitalism!!

#39 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-03-26 03:19 PM | Reply

As I shared as this tragedy unfolded early this morning there was a warning that Maryland Governor Wes Moore now confirms saved lives. This is the radio traffic from the Maryland Transportation Authority Police stopping traffic on the Key Bridge after being warned the approaching ship lost steering. Watch the time checks as you listen. They only had about 100 seconds before the bridge collapsed.
www.youtube.com

You know damned well a republican fought against this system being implemented.

#40 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-03-26 03:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#34 | Posted by LampLighter

I went and viewed the linked video about 20 times. And indeed. I studied this. A long time ago now... I became a Civil Engineer specialized in Structures and Construction management by degree and limited practice before I moved to IT. I will also say I didn't get to work on bridges. I worked on suspension steel and trusses in manufacturing and power generation plants. I totally get the main span and if you are watching the video the span to the left of the piling as well. Truss bridges are a lot less expensive to build and maintain so they are used all over and it makes sense in most cases. This was kind of a combination of Truss and Arc - which I didn't realize before. I suspect that is part of the cause of the far span collapse.

If that ship hit a proper suspension bridge Pier/cap/piling for the span of this bridge. It is hard to say. It all depends on how well the bridge was designed, maintained and the circumstances. Same conditions with a suspension bridge? Yes, it would likely destroy the bridge but would it collapse like this? I am skeptical - it may very well collapse but it did not collapse the support system. It certainly moved it. You would certainly have sections of the deck fail - break apart and maybe fall. That said, if this was a well done suspension bridge you also likely would have a much wider channel and not a support straddling the channel. The current center span was about a quarter mile - that is nothing for a suspension bridge. At Baltimore, in the future you would certainly design for a ship strike of this size or larger. (I haven't looked into it but I am a bit surprised it was not retrofitted with bumpers.) You may even make the span wide enough that it is not possible for a ship of any size to strike the pilings without having grounded well before. They will also likely raise the deck so even bigger ships stacked higher can make their way into port in the future.

That poor construction crew - looks like they were the only ones on the span though.

#41 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2024-03-26 03:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#40 | Posted by truthhurts

Link is missing.

#42 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2024-03-26 03:31 PM | Reply

... During a press conference at the White House Tuesday afternoon, President Joe Biden said his intentions are for the federal government to cover all the costs to replace the bridge.

Actually what he said is that we'll pay for it now to make sure there's no delay in getting it rebuilt, and then we'll see, based on the findings, what to do about recouping any monies.

#43 | Posted by YAV at 2024-03-26 03:35 PM | Reply

#39 | Posted by truthhurts

To be clear a local port pilot was at the helm and thankfully he called a mayday. I don't know what caused the power outages and I don't know what the options were after the first one. I know these are massive ships with sophisticated maneuvering but I have wondered why there are not appropriate sized tugs accompanying them these days - and for that matter automatic secondary power on board.

#44 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2024-03-26 03:35 PM | Reply

@#41

Thx for the explanation. Makes sense.

#45 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-03-26 03:36 PM | Reply

@#39 ... The American taxpayer will pay to replace this bridge

Destroyed by a private corporation ...

It would take years in court to get the corporation to put up the money.

That is not to say that those years won't take place.

But for the speed of replacement, Pres Biden wants the Federal Government (with Congress' approval) to fund and replace this critical bridge.

#46 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-03-26 03:38 PM | Reply

#25 Yep, I hate that bridge, second only to the F-Man (Buckman). Close the F-Man due to an accident or structure incident and it's an easy two-hour detour ride home.

#47 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2024-03-26 03:41 PM | Reply

"The American taxpayer will pay to replace this bridge"

With money they earned from a private corporation, even.

#48 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-26 03:43 PM | Reply

But for the speed of replacement, Pres Biden wants the Federal Government (with Congress' approval) to fund and replace this critical bridge.

#46 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER

It has shut down the port. No ships can leave at this time. It's pretty critical and will have wide reaching consequences of those ships cannot get out and ships cannot get in.

...

I certainly would not let go of any of the ship's
personnel until after a thorough questioning...

#14 | POSTED BY EARTHMUSE

The ship and its crew are not going anywhere.

The big question they need to ask that crew is..

Why didn't they drop anchor as soon as they started having electrical problems?

#49 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-03-26 03:46 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"You may even make the span wide enough that it is not possible for a ship of any size to strike the pilings without having grounded well before."

That's clever.

Which construction company stock spiked on the news of us needing a new bridge, anyone know?

#50 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-26 03:55 PM | Reply

#49 Just drop anchor? That's funny.

#51 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2024-03-26 04:01 PM | Reply

@#49 ... It has shut down the port. No ships can leave at this time. It's pretty critical and will have wide reaching consequences of those ships cannot get out and ships cannot get in. ...

Yup.

The article I cited in #32 says...

... The Army Corps of Engineers is at the scene of the collapse to help clear the channel as soon as possible so that the Port of Baltimore can reopen its operations. ...

#52 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-03-26 04:06 PM | Reply

#50

It's not funny, they DID drop the port anchor before the collision. But you're right in that it was ineffective given the size and speed of the freighter.

The power outages happened too close to the bridge for anchoring to stop the immense load.

#53 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-03-26 04:11 PM | Reply

#51, not 50.

#54 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-03-26 04:11 PM | Reply

-If you or I ran our car into public property we'd be paying for it

probably not. You likely have minimum limits and wouldn't cover any of it.

#55 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-26 04:15 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Now do the airline industry. The rail industry ... .

#20 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS

No do Republican led deregulation.

MAGA is fighting against problems of their own creation through their stupidity, gullibility and greed driven voting habits.

#56 | Posted by jpw at 2024-03-26 04:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

That was my point, pointing out how ineffective that would have been. A ship that size does not just drop anchor (and there are at least two) and stop on a dime. And then there are winds, tides, etc. So yes, the suggestion was funny and ill-informed.

#57 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2024-03-26 04:19 PM | Reply

Baltimore bridge collapse caused by DEI efforts, Utah Rep. Phil Lyman says

www.sltrib.com

#58 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2024-03-26 04:26 PM | Reply

" Yeah, that's a bridge too far for me. Or a Bridge of Sighs... or a Bridge Over Troubled Water."

No Kwai? Nothing in Madison County?

And wouldn't London Bridge be the most apropos in this situation?

#59 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-03-26 04:26 PM | Reply

@#58

Misinformation runs rampant after Baltimore bridge collapse
www.axios.com

... Within hours, X accounts with hundreds of thousands of followers were promoting baseless claims that the Dali had been the victim of a cyber-attack or had intentionally rammed into the bridge.

- - - Much of the misinformation was being pushed by "verified" users who pay for a premium subscription that boosts their posts.

- - - Some verified right-wing accounts speculated that corporate diversity and inclusion initiatives were to blame for the disaster " a claim also embraced during a spate of recent aircraft safety issues.

- - - Several antisemitic accounts with blue check marks claimed that the "attack" was perpetrated by Israel. ...



#60 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-03-26 04:33 PM | Reply

The Intellectualist
@highbrow_nobrow

Matt Schlapp of CPAC, who is currently being sued for sexual assault, says he's "no expert" on bridges, but then suggests the Baltimore bridge collapse could be linked to COVID lockdowns.

twitter.com

#61 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-03-26 05:02 PM | Reply

This gCaptain link is useful, if folks want to avoid a bunch of speculative nonsense.

#62 | Posted by chuffy at 2024-03-26 05:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Right-Wing Media Blames Bridge Collapse on Open Border' and COVID Lockdowns

While Fox's Maria Bartiromo tried linking the disaster to border policies, Matt Schlapp suggested it had something to do with post-COVID labor policy.

That didn't take long.

Hours after a cargo ship destroyed Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge on Tuesday, right-wing pundits, Fox hosts, and GOP lawmakers found a way to blame the deadly disaster on Democratic policies and their favorite culture-war battles.

#63 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2024-03-26 05:39 PM | Reply

@#57 ... That was my point, pointing out how ineffective that would have been ...

All you said in #51 was that it is funny, with no reason why you though the situation to be humorous.



#64 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-03-26 05:50 PM | Reply

The power outages happened too close to the bridge for anchoring to stop the immense load.

#53 | POSTED BY TONYROMA AT 2024-03-26 04:11 PM | FLAG:

That reminds me. Whatever happened to the poster known as Pinchaloaf?

#65 | Posted by cbob at 2024-03-26 05:52 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Thoughts and prayers Gaslighter, thoughts and prayers. Nothing can be done.

#66 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2024-03-26 05:54 PM | Reply

Baltimore bridge collapse caused by DEI efforts, Utah Rep. Phil Lyman says

www.sltrib.com

#58 | Posted by reinheitsgebot

You just can't get the stupid out of people like him and fellow MAGAts.

#67 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2024-03-26 06:33 PM | Reply

@#67 ... You just can't get the stupid out of people like him and fellow MAGAts. ...

Well, I would expect that Rep Lyman provided significant evidence to substantiate his assertion.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. (paraphrasing Dr Sagan)


#68 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-03-26 06:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

More from the link provided in #58...

Baltimore bridge collapse caused by DEI efforts, Utah Rep. Phil Lyman says
www.sltrib.com

... Lyman, who is also running for Utah governor, later said his social media team had posted the comment without his approval. He also took responsibility for the post.

Lyman was responding to a post from the Young Conservative Federation attacking Port of Baltimore Commissioner Karenthia Barber, a Black woman who, according to her professional biography, owns a consulting firm that includes "diversity, equity and inclusion audits and consulting."

"This is what happens when you have Governors who prioritize diversity over the wellbeing [sic] and security of citizens," Lyman posted Tuesday morning. ...




#69 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-03-26 06:40 PM | Reply

"Baltimore bridge collapse caused by DEI efforts, Utah Rep. Phil Lyman says"

He's not the only one:
iamyesyouareno
@iamyesyouareno

This is Baltimore's DEI mayor commenting on the collapsed Francis Scott Key Bridge.

It's going to get so, so much worse. Prepare accordingly.

twitter.com

#70 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-03-26 06:51 PM | Reply

Posts like this are rampant on X right now:

RealCharlie
@Cinga63651

I heard the DEI force of Mayor Brandon Scott, Governor Wes Moore, and Mayor Pete Buttigieg are on the case

#71 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-03-26 06:54 PM | Reply

Audio of the workers who stopped traffic on the bridge shortly before the collapse:

www.youtube.com

#72 | Posted by rcade at 2024-03-26 06:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Only white people can:
Build an aircraft.
Pilot an aircraft.
Maintain an aircraft.
Build a ship.
Pilot that ship.
Maintain a ship.

Actually only white people can do anything right.
Ban DEI NOW!"

- "I'm not a racist!" Republicans

#73 | Posted by YAV at 2024-03-26 07:01 PM | Reply

@#72

Two minute video (just audio, actually).

From that link...

... Officials saved numerous lives shutting down the bridge just before the collision and collapse. Unfortunately, construction workers on the bridge were not able to evacuate in time. ...

The officials were concerned about both the traffic and the workers on the bridge.

#74 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-03-26 07:03 PM | Reply

Loss of steering and propulsion control? At the same time?

That should not be possible. But apparently it is.
#10 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY AT 2024-03-26 11:32 AM | REPLY

A). Weird how the barge/boat lost power, regained it,
lost it, regained it.

B). Also weird how after one of the power regains the
barge/boat looked to veer straight towards the nearest
pylon.

I certainly would not let go of any of the ship's
personnel until after a thorough questioning...

#14 | POSTED BY EARTHMUSE AT 2024-03-26 11:56 AM | REPLY | NEWSWORTHY 1.

Without power, there is no steering. That is just how boats work. Even the big ones.

#75 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2024-03-26 07:08 PM | Reply

@#75 ... Without power, there is no steering. That is just how boats work. Even the big ones. ...

Perhaps that is something to learn from this event.

Critical systems should have separate, and resilient, power supplies.


Here, my Internet access is on a back-u power that lasts three hours before I need to start a generator...

Of course, the big ships are registered around the world, with varying rules and regulations. Indeed, I'd suspect one aspect of where to register a ship may be the rues and regulations the ship would then have to comply with.





#76 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-03-26 07:14 PM | Reply

@#76

Oops...

my Internet access is on a back-u power

-- should be --

my Internet access is on a back-up power system

(too much multitasking :(   )

#77 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-03-26 07:15 PM | Reply

Sabatini(R) Fl, says DEI caused the collapse.
David Simon's (The Wire) epic reply:

Your mother did you, but after a hard life of service on a truck-stop lot, can we really hold her loosened, battered womb responsible for dropping you head-first on the Winnebago floor and burdening our society with another empty, racist demagogue thereafter? We cannot.

The Local 47th of stevedores will take a hit. The ship's holding company, probably flagged in Burundi or some such and traced back to a PO Box in Papua New Guinea won't lose a single Kina.

#78 | Posted by BluSky at 2024-03-26 08:31 PM | Reply

Even with power, container ships aren't known for precise maneuverability. That is why tugboats are involved in close maneuvers. Generally a local pilot, familiar with local conditions is required to be on board to guide the ship out to open water, but having tugboats tethered at each end would be an additional safeguard. My uncle is a retired tugboat captain, and he is insistent they should be required everywhere but open sea.

#79 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2024-03-26 08:34 PM | Reply

I've spent many an hour stuck in traffic on that bridge. Truly shocking to think that a city of such significance is falling apart. I have such mixed feelings about B'mo. It's an almost surreal place. The port of Baltimore is amazing. Losing that bridge is gonna hurt. For a while anyway. Hopefully, in the rebuild, some of the tragic urban blight will be addressed. I love/hate that city. This makes me sad. Really really sucks.

I don't live there but it is important to where I live.

#80 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2024-03-26 08:36 PM | Reply

It is interesting to watch the pilots disembark from a big ship, once they clear the harbor. While the ship is underway, The pilot will climb over the side and down a ladder and jump into a moving boat that takes him back to the port.

I used to live close to a port and could hear the ships horns. One night I awakened to five short blasts, repeating. Over and over. I asked my uncle, he told me that is a big ship talking to a little boat, and means, I'm a big effing ship and I can't stop or steer so you better get out of the effing way. Idiot pleasureboaters get much too close to ships.
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#81 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2024-03-26 08:42 PM | Reply

#80 Building that bridge in the late 70s actually did relieve urban blight, at the time. It connected Dundalk and Sparrows Point, steel mill towns which were previously rather isolated, the the rest of the city. These areas will be isolated once again, and I think even the steel mills that unified those people are gone ( I could be wrong). It will be economically devastating.. I knew the area well at one time. Gritty, rough, hardscrabble blue collar people, but proud , with a strong sense of community.

#82 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2024-03-26 08:48 PM | Reply

Odd how government and Baltimore authorities were claiming within mere hours of the event that this was just a tragic accident. This was done even though no investigation or examination of failure cause and of individuals potentially involved etc. The event had obvious causes but they were not yet identified or investigated. As is common in government never forget that any such event caused by an outside espionage or force such as sabotage of steering and running gear or engine or anything else is highly possible, and if it occurred at a time that caused the crash at right time and place would be deemed by public as a failure of our government as would the resulting economic impact. But instead of saying it is under investigation as is normal they said it was not terrorism.

I'm not saying it was an act of terrorism, but it could have been and why the rush to claim it wasn't. On 9-11-01 we had operationally a similar event where large planes were used to crash into buildings. Why not a large ship into a bridge? Why would this administration immediately and recklessly claim it was an accident?

#83 | Posted by Robson at 2024-03-26 08:59 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Baltimore bridge collapse caused by DEI efforts, Utah Rep. Phil Lyman says"

Isn't there a basketball team he could be harassing?

Where's Boaz to tell this guy to mind his own business.

#84 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-26 09:07 PM | Reply

#83

Odd that there was actually video of the ship crashing into the bridge, you ------- retarded dumbass. GFY.

#85 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-03-26 09:53 PM | Reply

Some people are saying the ship captain learned his craft while sailing with the trump flotilla.

#86 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2024-03-26 10:20 PM | Reply

This brings back memories of losing friends on the Queen Isabella Causeway connecting South Padre. It happened 4 days after 911. Surreal moment in time for me.

#87 | Posted by memyselfini at 2024-03-26 10:47 PM | Reply

Wrecklessly? They knew the ship was in distress immediately. Like so much so that they knew and were able to close the bridge in order to save lives.

What sort of terrorist attacked has the terrorists in communication with authorities, and trying to fix what's wrong with the ship in order to avoid any problems?

Is your iq even one point above room temperature?

#88 | Posted by ABH at 2024-03-27 10:45 AM | Reply

I don't recall any news reports ruling out foul play. They simply said there did not appear to be evidence of it at that time. That is different. It is necessary to put something out there to prevent unwarranted panic.

If course there is a remote possibility that the power/electrical failure was due to sabotage. If so, it would be more likely disgruntled employee than terrorism. Terrirists would be more likely to choose a busier time, more cars = more terror. I'm sure the NTSB will analyze the evidence thoroughly to make a determination.

#89 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2024-03-27 12:27 PM | Reply

I'm sure the NTSB will analyze the evidence thoroughly to make a determination.

They grabbed the data recorder this morning.

#90 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-03-27 12:29 PM | Reply

"I'm not saying it was an act of terrorism, but it could have been and why the rush to claim it wasn't. On 9-11-01 we had operationally a similar event where large planes were used to crash into buildings. Why not a large ship into a bridge?"

Somewhere along the line "I'm just asking questions became okay". Rather than thinking through an issue and then asking questions.

Let's look at the differences...

9/11 done at a time and place to cause the biggest loss of life, and instill the most fear.

Baltimore, done in the middle night, while a major port, not a location that would rattle the populace.

9/11, no communication.
Baltimore, communication allows less loss of life

9/11, who was responsible not immediately known.
Baltimore, Known local pilot actively involved in the communication of what was going wrong.

9/11, Incorrectly labeling the events as terrorism before validation likely to cause a larger panic than leaving it unanswered for some time.
Baltimore, given all the knowns getting the word out about an obvious accident as to opposed to an attack would remove the likelyhood of any panic.

you just have to look at this with a bit of logic and not blanketly equate major accidents with terrorist attacks by default.

#91 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2024-03-27 12:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

you just have to look at this with a bit of logic

True. Terrorists would have rammed the bridge at full power if that was their intent.

Why fake a power failure and drift into it?

#92 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-03-27 12:34 PM | Reply

It was pretty smart of the terrorists to strike at the peak of rush hour.

#93 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-27 12:45 PM | Reply

I'm not saying it was an act of terrorism, but it could have been and why the rush to claim it wasn't. On 9-11-01 we had operationally a similar event where large planes were used to crash into buildings. Why not a large ship into a bridge? Why would this administration immediately and recklessly claim it was an accident?

#83 | POSTED BY ROBSON

This has to be the dumbest poster on the DR.

#94 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-03-27 12:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Why fake a power failure and drift into it?

#92 | POSTED BY REDIAL AT 2024-03-27 12:34 PM | FLAG:

It's state-sponsored cyberterrorism so the conspiracy theory goes.

The rudders are slightly deflected to counter the prop torque. When the power goes the prop stops but there is enough hydraulic pressure for the rudder to still be offset from center, which imparts a turning motion into the ship, which takes it into the pier.

or a boat that's already had power failures and crashed into a dock, had power failures and crashed into a bridge not designed for that extreme shearing load, which subsequently collapsed.

#95 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-03-27 01:07 PM | Reply

#49 Just drop anchor? That's funny.

#51 | POSTED BY GRACIEAMAZED

Don't know what by you would think that was funny. It was a reasonable question.

Turns out they DID drop anchor. Not fast enough apparently.

"The DALI container ship that struck Baltimore's Key Bridge dropped its anchor prior to impact as part of its emergency procedures after losing propulsion, the Maritime and Port Authority of Singapore (MPA) said in a statement Tuesday."

#96 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-03-27 01:09 PM | Reply

you just have to look at this with a bit of logic and not blanketly equate major accidents with terrorist attacks by default.
#91 | POSTED BY KWRX25

^
But... what if they have a differing opinion?

#97 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-27 01:15 PM | Reply

then we debate it out as we are doing it and exposing the weaker opinion.

#98 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2024-03-27 01:24 PM | Reply

Oh so it's just an opinion that 9/11 was done by Osama Bin Laden.

#99 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-27 01:25 PM | Reply

A strong opinion but still, just an opinion.

There are no facts in your Clown World. ------- child.

#100 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-27 01:29 PM | Reply

RE: #29

BELLRINGER: I'm still waiting for that proof of what you claimed in #22.

#101 | Posted by TrueBlue at 2024-03-27 02:31 PM | Reply

Reporting now that they had major electrical issues for 2 days while in port.

#102 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-03-27 03:39 PM | Reply

Apparently the big crisis is that Biden has not flown to Baltimore yet.

#103 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-03-27 05:27 PM | Reply

"The DALI container ship that struck Baltimore's Key Bridge dropped its anchor prior to impact as part of its emergency procedures after losing propulsion, the Maritime and Port Authority of Singapore (MPA) said in a statement Tuesday."

#96 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

Too late.

At least the racist bridge is destroyed, hopefully they don't rebuild it, it would be a blight on the African American community again. if they do rename it.

When the Bridge in MD is Rebuilt, Rename it Because Francis Scott Key Was a Slave Owner
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#104 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-03-27 07:29 PM | Reply

True. Terrorists would have rammed the bridge at full power if that was their intent.

Why? Seems like with anchor out it still did all the damage it needed to do.

#91 | POSTED BY KWRX25

These are all valid and logical points, but you're assuming the terrorist is only out for a loss of life.

What if they just want to debilitate the economy? While I don't consider this a terrorist act, your assumption is sort of missing the potential of what future terrorism might be.

For instance when the US destroyed NordStream2, would you consider it an act of terrorism?

#105 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-03-27 07:34 PM | Reply

Seems like with anchor out it still did all the damage it needed to do.

An anchor is not going to do much, if anything, to stop a ship like that.

#106 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-03-27 07:37 PM | Reply

"What if they just want to debilitate the economy?"

Baltimore doesn't need any help doing that.

#107 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-27 07:39 PM | Reply

NTSB estimates 2 years to complete the investigation. I expect it will come down to blaming either the Captain or the Pilot.

At this early point, I would not want to be the Captain.

#108 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-03-27 09:43 PM | Reply

"Apparently the big crisis is that Biden has not flown to Baltimore yet."
I was wondering why he hadn't made an appearance. Marine One could have gotten him there in minutes. Shoot, he could have beaten Maryland State Police helos and Coast Guard. Imagine Uncle Joe himself dropping down in rescue bucket plucking survivors out of the frigid water. Missed opportunity for some serious Dark Brandon ---- there.

#109 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2024-03-28 01:53 AM | Reply

"NTSB estimates 2 years to complete the investigation. I expect it will come down to blaming either the Captain or the Pilot."

At this early juncture, I'm inclined to blame the carriers, who refuse to pay for tugboats. I don't know the numbers, but it does seem that an enormous amount of infrastructure damage occurs that could have been preventing by mandatory tugboat use invulnerable areas. I imagine any cost benefit analysis is skewed by the fact that the carriers can bankrupt themselves out of being forced to pay for the damage.

#110 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2024-03-28 02:03 AM | Reply

I'm inclined to blame the carriers, who refuse to pay for tugboats.

If tugs were mandated and they chose not to use them, then they have a problem. I doubt that they are mandated, and the industry would flip right effing out if anyone suggested it. So would half of Congress.

I think it will come down to whether or not the ship was seaworthy when it left port. If it's true that they had experienced several major power outages in the two days they were in port, it raises questions.

Fuel has been a question. I'm not sure how these things work, but this one had one huge diesel engine with a single shaft and single screw for propulsion and two smaller diesel generators, with two backups for those.

They obviously completely lost electrical power at least twice, which would kill the main engine. Bad fuel could explain multiple engine failures.

#111 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-03-28 02:54 AM | Reply

Bad fuel is crew/company negligence. It's not exactly hard to test.

#112 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-03-28 11:49 AM | Reply

As in, the ship's engineers are supposed to have it tested regularly, especially before leaving dock.

#113 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-03-28 11:50 AM | Reply

-Bad fuel is crew/company negligence. It's not exactly hard to test.

Ocean bearing ships is outside my world of insurance but I do insure fuel suppliers.....bad fuel goes back to the supplier and/or the refiner.

#114 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-28 12:02 PM | Reply

It's pretty obvious the taxpayers are going to be the ones holding the bag here.

And Republicans will say, that's justice. That's the price you pay for supporting DEI.

#115 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-28 12:06 PM | Reply

...bad fuel goes back to the supplier and/or the refiner.

I wonder what the tolerances are for container ship fuel? The stuff they burn is just about if not thee --------- fuel there is.

#116 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-03-28 12:09 PM | Reply

It's pretty obvious the taxpayers are going to be the ones holding the bag here.

Probably. The carrier is Maersk but it's not their ship. It's owned by a company in Singapore and flies their flag. I believe the crew was all Indian.

#117 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-03-28 12:15 PM | Reply

A strong opinion but still, just an opinion.
There are no facts in your Clown World. ------- child.

#100 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2024-03-27 01:29 PM | FLAG:
(CHOOSE)

You were basically talking to yourself there, so before you say too much for me and then attribute it me, I figure I should speak up...

You were obviously trying to lay bait for me based on our conversation on another thread about differing viewpoints being shut out of campuses. You locked hard onto the word opinion there, and were trying to do it here too.

I don't know what to tell you when there are contentious issues the differing sides are referred to as having differing opinions. And in the marketplace of ideas they are debated. Some become clear winners, and those opinions are accepted as facts.

That doesn't mean all things are opinions, and it doesn't mean that's how all facts are arrived at. I know you'll try like hell to take one loose thread on my obvious meaning and pull on it til you can construct some alternate version of what I meant, so I can't wait for that.

Otherwise I'm not really sure what you're trying to get at here other than asking a wide open question, and somehow assigning me some weird definitions of opinion and fact... have fun with that I guess.

#118 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2024-03-28 12:17 PM | Reply

Ocean bearing ships is outside my world of insurance but I do insure fuel suppliers.....bad fuel goes back to the supplier and/or the refiner.

#114 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2024-03-28 12:02 PM | REPLY

It's not bad before it gets pumped into the ship. It's bad after it gets mixed with water, oil, debris, etc, because the ships engineers take maintenance shortcuts.

#119 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-03-28 04:01 PM | Reply

If we start taking about cultural influences on job practices by Indian crews... well, can't do that without getting cancelled beyond saying there seem to be differences in the engineering and maintenance cultures of Denmark that owns it, South Korea that built it, and the Indians that sail it.

#120 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-03-28 04:04 PM | Reply

Bad maintenance on fuel-water separators among other things will leave you dead in the water regardless of how high quality that fuel was before it went in the tank, and even tiny john boats generally have those.

#121 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-03-28 04:07 PM | Reply

It's not bad before it gets pumped into the ship.

You say that like it's impossible.

#122 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-03-28 04:15 PM | Reply

It's unlikely. Bad refining that makes it all the way onto a ship? Bad maintenance that contaminates onboard fuel is pretty common.

#123 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-03-28 05:33 PM | Reply

Bad refining that makes it all the way onto a ship?

I was thinking more contamination during transport. The refinery is not at the dock.

#124 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-03-28 05:41 PM | Reply

Port of Boston gets fuel from 90 suppliers.

but if it's contaminated in transit to dock storage, why aren't the other ships having power failures?

The simple answer: Because it's bad maintenance on the M/V Dali.

#125 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-03-29 09:53 AM | Reply

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