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Roughly 60% of Americans say Israel's reasons for fighting Hamas are valid. But how Israel is carrying out its response to Hamas' Oct. 7 attack receives a more mixed evaluation.

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The propaganda machine keeps on turning I see. Not surprisingly.

#1 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-03-22 10:36 AM | Reply

Poll also goes into the party breakdowns which shows many more Hamas-lovers on the Democrat side.

IMHO, that doesn't bode well for Biden in the general election and could likely result in Trump waltzing back in to the Oval Office. At which point Trump will give a thumbs up to Netanyahu to "finish it." And then Jared Kushner can get started on that waterfront resort he was going on about. I wonder if they'll offer discounts if we order now.

#2 | Posted by censored at 2024-03-22 10:42 AM | Reply

You know if Palestinians weren't treated like crap by Israel there would be no Hamas. Of course you don't understand that Censored. Not surprisingly of course.

#3 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-03-22 10:47 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

The propaganda machine keeps on turning I see. Not surprisingly. #1 | Posted by LauraMohr

So, you would be amongst the five percent of Americans, and 70% of Palestinians who thought that the Palestinian's October 7th rape and murder of 1,000 Israeli civilian men, women and children was A-OK? No surprises there.

#4 | Posted by censored at 2024-03-22 10:48 AM | Reply

(The only propaganda here is you spamming those poll numbers.)

#5 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-22 10:50 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You know if Palestinians weren't treated like crap by Israel there would be no Hamas. Of course you don't understand that Censored. Not surprisingly of course. #3 | Posted by LauraMohr

By "treated like crap" you mean Israel retaining its territory? Maybe, although ISIS exists independent of Israel's existence. Because homicidal theocrats propped up by religious nutjob bases be like that sometimes.

#6 | Posted by censored at 2024-03-22 10:51 AM | Reply

The propaganda machine keeps on turning I see. Not surprisingly. #1 | Posted by LauraMohr

Also, if you think Pew Research, the org that conducted that poll, is propaganda ... Well, that's really on you.

#7 | Posted by censored at 2024-03-22 10:53 AM | Reply

"You know if Palestinians weren't treated like crap by Israel there would be no Hamas."

^
Don't expect that to ever get acknowledged. The propaganda is so strong with them, they won't ever acknowledge Israel ethnically cleansed hundreds of thousands of Palestinians and sent them to camps where their ancestors still live to this day.

Clickable map of the more than 400 depopulated towns and villages of the 1948 Palestinian exodus (red) and the c.60 modern day Palestinian refugee camps (blue)
en.m.wikipedia.org

#8 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-22 10:53 AM | Reply

Also, from Pew: 21% of American Muslims believe the October 7th attacks to be "acceptable"("Among U.S. Muslims, 10% say the way Hamas carried out the attack was completely acceptable; 11% say it was somewhat acceptable.").

#9 | Posted by censored at 2024-03-22 11:44 AM | Reply

That's great, it reflects that among any society, 15% or so of the population is Deplorable.

The problem comes about, when people get desperate enough, the blood lust of the Deplorables seeps over into normal people.

This is probably why Zionism got such a boost after the Holocaust. The Zionist Deplorables were able to rally normal people to their cause after the unfathomable indignity the Jews had experienced at the hands of the Nazis.

#10 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-22 11:52 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Roughly 60% of Americans say Israel's reasons for fighting Hamas are valid

That's a low percentage. Especially considering how pro Israel America is.

#11 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-03-22 12:47 PM | Reply

Palestinian's October 7th rape and murder of 1,000 Israeli civilian men,

Palestinians raped and murdered Israeli men?

Did they do the raping first or the murdering?

Do you ever feel stupid posting this shht?

#12 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-03-22 12:50 PM | Reply

"Israeli Police have evidence Hamas terrorists raped men on October 7, activists claim Yael Sherer, spokeswoman for Israel's Survivors of Sexual Violence advocacy group, said there was physical evidence as well as eyewitness accounts. Speaking on BBC Radio Four on Monday, she added: "There was sexual violence and rape in these communities in the south of Israel. We have a few living survivors - not a lot - of both genders. It didn't only happen to women, it happened to men as well. "Aside from finding bodies of people who were murdered, a lot of the bodies were mutilated. Terrorists made sure to disgrace these people and dishonour them."" www.thejc.com

#13 | Posted by censored at 2024-03-22 01:26 PM | Reply

Want to know why so few survivors are alive?

Israel kills their own in combat to prevent prisoners from being taken.

It's called the Hannibal Doctrine.

And some people say Hamas is a bunch of Savages.

The lack of self awareness is just amazing.

Israel has no valid reason to Exist...much less to kill freedom fighters trying to liberate their homeland from Usurpers.

#14 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-03-22 03:05 PM | Reply

Palestinians raped and murdered Israeli men?

Did they do the raping first or the murdering?

Do you ever feel stupid posting this shht?

#12 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-03-22 12:50 PM | Reply | Flag

Somebody never saw the movie "Deliverance"

#15 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-03-22 08:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Hey, riots happen at particularly unpleasant prisons all the time.

#16 | Posted by morris at 2024-03-23 06:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

what a f'n clown take Laura... that region has been a bloody religious slugfest for thousands of years, but Hamas only exists and acts as it does "cuz Israel"

lmmfao

#17 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2024-03-24 01:43 PM | Reply

Anyone who runs, is Hamas.

Anyone who stands still, is well-disciplined Hamas!

#18 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-03-24 01:49 PM | Reply

Somebody never saw the movie "Deliverance"
#15 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTURDS

Don't worry Skeeter, I saw the documentary of you and your kin.

#19 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-03-24 01:52 PM | Reply

what a f'n clown take Laura... that region has been a bloody religious slugfest for thousands of years, but Hamas only exists and acts as it does "cuz Israel" lmmfao #17 | Posted by kwrx25

Well, the Jews have also been around for thousands of years. Coincidence? We best wipe out the 0.2% of the world population that is Jewish and the 0.2% of the world land that is Israel and see if that fixes everything.

What do we have to lose? A win-win situation, if you ask the Hamas-lovers.

#20 | Posted by censored at 2024-03-24 02:17 PM | Reply

Of course Israel has a reason to fight HAMAS! Who disputes that? It is HOW they fight HAMAS that is the issue.

Question: Why do some Israel supporters ALWAYS avoid discussing Israeli tactics?
Answer: They know that Israeli tactics can't be justified.

#21 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2024-03-24 03:02 PM | Reply

Question: Why do some Israel supporters ALWAYS avoid discussing Israeli tactics?
Answer: They know that Israeli tactics can't be justified. #21 | Posted by FedUpWithPols

The Palestinians get the Israeli tactics the Palestinians demanded when they attacked Israel and slaughtered/raped 1,000 men, women and children in cold blood on October 7th. In the deluded hope that they would gain world sympathy with their "suffering."

Don't know why the Hamas-lovers are taking issue with it. Even 70% of the Palestinians and 21% of American Muslims still stand by the Palestinian's October 7th atrocities.

Or did they think that they get to target Israeli civilians for slaughter and rape and Israel is supposed to defend itself with both hands tied behind its back?

#22 | Posted by censored at 2024-03-24 04:04 PM | Reply

Censored did a fantastic job of proving the point made by FedUpWithPols.

#23 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-03-24 04:13 PM | Reply

Censored is a ChickenHawk, too Scared to fight himself so he talks tough.

It doesn't fool anybody. Even himself.

What a Loser.

#24 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-03-24 04:24 PM | Reply

400 depopulated towns and villages of the 1948 Palestinian exodus

Maybe starting a war in 1948 to kill all the Jews and take all the land --land that was Jewish before the Romans named it "Palestine"-- wasn't such a great idea?
How about a clickable map of German towns and villages in Salisia? Would Germans today be justified in killing and raping for land they lost in a war they started nearly a century ago? How about a clickable map of Japanese towns and villages in Manchuria? Can the Crow slaughter the inhabitants of Bismark, North Dakota and in turn be slaughtered by the Blackfoot?

Not everyone who claims Palestinians are uniquely immune from consequences forever is antisemitic. But all antisemities believe Palestinians are uniquely immune from consequences forever.

ChickenHawk, too Scared to fight himself so he talks tough
As opposed to you, who bravely types on the internet while you claim genocide is being done in your name.
The Jews don't need Censored to wipe out Hamas. They could kill every living organism in Gaza in an afternoon if they wanted to. The Palestinians need you, though. Stand up straight for once in your life and actually do something to stop the murder of your fellow Islamic revolutionary heroes. -----.

#25 | Posted by BluSky at 2024-03-24 05:24 PM | Reply

Maybe starting a war in 1948 to kill all the Jews and take all the land

Why didn't America bring the survivors of the Holocaust to America and give them land?

There are so many desolate states in America where they could have started a community. Especially in the 40s.

Is it because Israel provides a strategic location for us in the Middle East.

All we have to do in exchange is continue to protect them and fund their welfare based society.

Great deal. For Israelis.

They could kill every living organism in Gaza in an afternoon if they wanted to.

America couldn't shelter them from the international response.

We're having trouble with the current 33,300+ deaths.

#26 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-03-24 05:49 PM | Reply

Why didn't America bring the survivors of the Holocaust to America and give them land?
It shouldn't be any surprise to someone like you there were/are a lot of Jew-haters in America, you're one of them.

Is it because Israel provides a strategic location for us in the Middle East.
America doesn't need any land in The Levant to project power in the Middle East or anywhere else for that matter.

fund their welfare based society
Nonsense. They get a 3 billion dollar gift card in an economy of 490 billion. Before 10/7 3B was about how much cash and aid we gave to Palestinian terrorists. Israel must spend their gift card on the weapon systems we want them to 'buy'; mostly on hardware for the Iron Dome that we use as a research project for our own missile defense. Every shekel comes back to Raytheon, Northrop Grumman and the like. The money we once spent on Palestinian terrorists doesn't come back, it simply sustains a high birth rate for the next generation of Palestinian terrorists.

#27 | Posted by BluSky at 2024-03-24 07:02 PM | Reply

The Palestinians get the Israeli tactics the Palestinians demanded when they attacked Israel

Palestinians didn't attack Israelis: HAMAS did! Just because HAMAS happens to be Palestinians is no reason to conmen all of them as being HAMAS. That's the same kind of warped thinking that results in bigoted people wanting to cast ALL people in a community as being criminals just because some in that community are in gangs.

#28 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2024-03-24 07:05 PM | Reply

Palestinians didn't attack Israelis: HAMAS did!
Germans didn't attack Poland, then. The Nazis did. Will you extend this naive generosity to Israel, too? If so Israelis haven't killed any Palestinians, the IDF did.
War doesn't work that way. It never has.

some in that community are in gangs
If the Crips run for political office, win in a landslide and then set out to do exactly what they campaigned on, the community that elected them is responsible, at least in part. If that same community continues to support the Crips, offers their children to the cause and directly participates in their violent actions...."elections have consequences".

#29 | Posted by BluSky at 2024-03-24 07:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It shouldn't be any surprise to someone like you there were/are a lot of Jew-haters in America, you're one of them.

The Middle East is more friendly towards Jewish people than Americans? That's your response?

You need a strawman in order to have a point?

My best friend since childhood is Jewish. I had a boyfriend for 7 years who is Jewish and is still a good friend of mine. I've been to more bar mitzvahs, Passover and Rosh Hashanah dinners than I can count.

No. I love Jewish people. I don't support Israel.

The majority of Jewish people I know are more against the actions of Israel than I am.

Spare me your bullshht.

America doesn't need any land in The Levant to project power in the Middle East or anywhere else for that matter.

Yea. Sure. We don't need our military bases in Israel. Of course not.

#30 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-03-24 07:36 PM | Reply

Palestinians didn't attack Israelis: HAMAS did! Just because HAMAS happens to be Palestinians is no reason to conmen all of them as being HAMAS. That's the same kind of warped thinking that results in bigoted people wanting to cast ALL people in a community as being criminals just because some in that community are in gangs. #28 | Posted by FedUpWithPols

And what of the steady 70% Palestinian approval rate for the October 7th atrocities(and 21% amongst American Muslims)?

Are we supposed to pretend that Palestinians aren't overwhelmingly in favor of a repeat performance. And pretend that those Hamas terrorists erupt from the soil from Allah's munificence and not from the Palestinian community that fan the flames of theocracy and anti-semitism?

Or maybe, instead, accept that the Palestinians want Israel destroyed, and that Israel is consequently under existential threat?

Simply put, the Palestinians want the Jews dead. I can only imagine that the Palestinian celebrations when they accomplish that result would eclipse their celebrations on 9/11 when 3,300 of our own civilians were murdered. That's just the way the Palestinian community seems to roll. Claiming that they are otherwise in their outlook seems to have no basis in objective fact.

#31 | Posted by censored at 2024-03-24 07:36 PM | Reply

And what of the steady 70% Palestinian approval rate for the October 7th atrocities(and 21% amongst American Muslims)?

I'm pretty sure you don't even believe this any more.

How sad and worn out your posts are.

#32 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-03-24 07:37 PM | Reply

We don't need our military bases in Israel.
One base, built in 2018. We've never run missions out of that base.
One aircraft carrier costs about the same to operate for one year as the gift card Israel recieves and it projects a hell of a lot more power than one base in Israel.

No. I love Jewish people.
Uh huh.
Spare me your bullshht.

#33 | Posted by BluSky at 2024-03-24 07:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You're nothing but a dumb troll.

Thanks for the confirmation.

Stupid.

#34 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-03-24 07:57 PM | Reply

I don't love Usurpers and Bigots.

Israel has No more "right to exist" than Nazi Germany did. It's a similar racist and exterminationist State.

It only exists because the US is a total pariah and Hypocrite with the "Rules Based" Order, Nonsense it pushes on everyone else.

Israel was created by Imperial Fiat.

No elections occured.

It Gave total domination of Palestine to Zionist Jews.

The only right they had to Palestine was Violence.

No better than Russia invading Ukraine,in fact, Israel seeks the same kind of Annexation that the Russians are accused of in Ukraine.

It's kind of hard to fathom the depths of hypocrisy shown by the US on these issues.

Israel only exists until they drop their guard.

It must really suck to know your days are numbered. Know that people want you dead no matter what you do or say.

That is the sad situation in Israel-Palestine.

Israel intends to Wipe them Out.

Everything else is just cover for the real goal.

Under the circumstances, Why should Hamas be the more civilized party?

They are targeted for Extermination.

Israel intends to make that So.

Where is the UN?

Why can't reason prevail over the inner logic of Massacre and Famine?

Will Israel go so far that NATO bombs them to stop it?

Could that happen even if the ovens were to be built and the gassing of civilians begun?

If weaponized hunger killed hundreds of thousands of children?

The IDF specifically targets medical facilities to kill wounded and ailing people.

They shoot hundreds of hungry people because they want to be fed.

It's Genocide in real time happening now,but because it's Israel commiting the crimes they are given carte blanche.

For How Long?

When they lose their Impunity, there will be Hell to pay.

In THIS life,not the Next.

#35 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-03-24 08:21 PM | Reply

"My best friend since childhood is Jewish. I had a boyfriend for 7 years who is Jewish and is still a good friend of mine. "

I bet you " have lots of Black friends" too.

Did you and your Jewish ex-boyfriend visit your friends in Palestine? Of course not, because you wouldn't have come back in one piece. It is a toss-up which one of you they mutilate first. Probably him, double score, Gay AND Jewish.

#36 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2024-03-24 10:27 PM | Reply

"Israel was created by Imperial Fiat."
So was pretty much every other country on the planet. Your point?

#37 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2024-03-24 10:37 PM | Reply

"Why should Hamas be the more civilized party?"

Ohhhhh, that was what they were trying to do all these years, those Jews just misunderstood their intentions.

#38 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2024-03-24 10:39 PM | Reply

If one party desires the Extermination of the other,what possible avenue of dialogue is available?

Israel claims that about Hamas,..their own actions speak this language far more eloquently than Hamas ever did.

Apartheid, Collective Punishment, Extrajudicial Murders. Israel brings hundreds of thousands of newcomers to Usurp Occupied land.

They pay them to steal from and Oppress others for Gain.

They shoot unarmed people by the thousands for standing by a fence peacefully protesting about the right to return to their stolen property.

Several hundred died, thousands were maimed for life.

This is why Hamas has every right to attack.

They are lawfully resisting the Extermination of their culture and people.

The Israeli's are Posers. They are the ones actually driving the war,they are ones actually Annihilating the existence of the Palestinians, not the reverse.

The Israeli's are Criminals,not Hamas.

#39 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-03-24 10:53 PM | Reply

#36 | POSTED BY MIRANDA7

You can choose to not believe me if that helps you.

No skin off my teeth.

#40 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-03-25 12:11 AM | Reply

#39

Y'know, the ISIS freedom fighters seem to once again be on the up and up.

Now you have another team you can cheer for.

#41 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-03-25 03:45 AM | Reply

Leon Uris' Exodus myth has taken one helluva hit.

#42 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2024-03-25 04:47 AM | Reply

By "treated like crap" you mean Israel retaining its territory?

#6 | POSTED BY CENSORED AT 2024-03-22 10:51 AM | FLAG:

Imagine a bunch of Trumpers passed a series of laws that created the legal framework to evict you from your multi-generational family home, where squatters can just walk in and start living in a bedroom in your house. If you do anything to them, the military evicts you from your own home, the Trumpers seize it, and give it to a family of Trumpers.

Pretty much the same thing, but with a religious upgrade.

#43 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-03-25 08:24 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

and it creates terrorists/freedom fighters quite easily.

#44 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-03-25 08:24 AM | Reply

#44 | Posted by sitzkrieg

Yeah, sucks to have someone take land from you that you believe is yours. Unfortunately, it's been happening since the dawn of man, particularly in that region of the world.

The Palestinians should probably do what every other group does when they have something taken from them by a superior force and there's no hope of changing that result. Move on with their lives, either immigrating elsewhere or learn to share it to the extent possible. Something that the 2-million-person Palestinian population of Israel has managed to do with varying degrees of success.

Instead, after being assigned perpetual refugee status, many Palestinians think that they will somehow reclaim that land from Israel. Which isn't going to happen so long as that land is inhabitable.

7 million Jewish Israelis are not going to vanish into thin air, particularly after many of them had their own land stolen from them in Muslim nations. Jewish Exodus from the Muslim World. And giving Israeli citizenship to all of the Palestinians is a non-starter, as the Jewish Israelis know that accepting democratic rule by a Muslim-majority theocratic nation is tantamount to baring their throats for an ISIS-style beheading. The Jews have their backs to the wall and Israel is their last stand.

Finally, I'm sure the Israelis have their own perspective on who that land belongs to as well. This Land is Mine.

#45 | Posted by censored at 2024-03-25 09:42 AM | Reply

#46 So just Eat it . Got it.

Now Do.Ukraine. should they just eat it too.?

Why fight? The Russians have every right to do the same thing in Ukraine that the Jews are in Palestine?

Is that your actual position? I thought the "territorial integrity" of Ukraine was sacred,and they should fight to the death to preserve it. Is that right? You've been shouting that for two years.

Why does Ukraine have More right to resist than Palestine?

Is there a Statute of Limitations on Murder and illegal land theft?

Is it cuz the Ukrainians are white?, Christian?

And the Palestinians aren't?

You really are a piece of Human ----.

#46 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-03-25 06:29 PM | Reply

"Why fight? The Russians have every right to do the same thing in Ukraine that the Jews are in Palestine?"

If the Ukrainians had conducted terrorist attacks on civilian organizations under the pretext that they were going to extirpate the Russian population from the region I think many of us would agree with you.

But it was Russia who attacked, albeit in a conventional (red: non-terrorist) attack dedicated to valid military targets.

Even if they do cause a lot of civilian damage, those targets and attacks are still valid if the Russians are doing their due diligence to reduce collateral damage and civilian casualties.

#47 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-03-26 03:54 PM | Reply

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