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Wednesday, March 20, 2024

The more time students spent in remote instruction, the further they fell behind. And, experts say, extended closures did little to stop the spread of Covid.

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A school closure would have prevented me and my wife from getting COVID. We ignored the MAGA hysteria over vaccinations, got ours, and lived to vote Democrat.

#1 | Posted by Zed at 2024-03-19 10:48 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

It's interesting today that MAGA still won't admit what a relentless mass murderer COVID was. Of course, should they do so. they's have to admit that the plague ball got rolling when Trump was in office, and that his godlike powers somehow failed him.

#2 | Posted by Zed at 2024-03-19 10:56 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Zed,

This is a lengthy NYT article.

Are you suggesting NYT is MAGA?

#3 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-03-19 10:57 AM | Reply

Are you suggesting NYT is MAGA?

#3 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-03-19 10:57 AM | Reply | Flag:

Where have you been? Anyone who doesn't 100% agree with the progressive narrative is a bloodbath MAGA. Just look at the SCOTUS vote on Colorado removing Trump from the ballot...

#4 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-03-19 11:21 AM | Reply

I'm suggesting that MAGA is MAGA: ignorant; destructive and self-destructive. You want to argue otherwise?

#5 | Posted by Zed at 2024-03-19 11:22 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

It made perfect sense to close the schools in a time of plague. Sorry.

#6 | Posted by Zed at 2024-03-19 11:24 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

It makes perfect sense to be vaccinated against the plague. You're getting me back in touch with how frankly medieval MAGA is.

#7 | Posted by Zed at 2024-03-19 11:27 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"And, experts say, extended closures did little to stop the spread of Covid."

So the complaint here is folks didn't have a crystal ball, and they were making 2020 decisions based on what they knew in 2020?!?

FFS, EVERYONE knows vision is much more clear four years later!

Why didn't they know then what we know now???
~MAGAts

#8 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-03-19 11:31 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Vaccines masks social distancing closures save literally millions of lives

You're welcome

#9 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-03-19 11:31 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

There have been 6,880,585 hospitalizations and 1,184,376 deaths from covid according to CDC numbers. Anyone arguing that closures and vaccines were unnecessary is a fool.

Source: covid.cdc.gov

#10 | Posted by qcp at 2024-03-19 11:34 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Monday morning quarterbacking after we now know how the disease is transmitted is a MAGAt specialty.

As people were clogging ER's, ventilators were running out, people were downing in their own bodily fluids and officials were using refrigerated trucks and mass graves to dispose of the dead they acted quickly and decisively based on what was known about the COVID virus.

If dotard had not shut down the CDC offices in China more would have been known and better actions could have been taken.

The time lost while he was calling it a Democratic Hoax (even though HE --- KNEW IT WASN'T), golfing and walking around saying "he knew more about diseases than anyone else on the planet" was critical.

Throw in injecting bleach and disinfectants and shoving lights up your ass and the damage done by his voluminous ass was far greater than anything done by anyone else.

#11 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-03-19 11:47 AM | Reply

" So the complaint here is folks didn't have a crystal ball, and they were making 2020 decisions based on what they knew in 2020?!?"

It was known pretty early on that kids posed almost no risk. It's why a lot of other Western countries had only brief closures along with some states here.

NYT is simply WAY behind the ball on this.

#12 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-03-19 12:07 PM | Reply

#10. This study is limited to school closures.

#13 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-03-19 12:08 PM | Reply

Children were and are able to pass COVID as well as the adults. As mentioned, that's how my family caught it. Sorry.

#14 | Posted by Zed at 2024-03-19 12:32 PM | Reply

"As mentioned, that's how my family caught it. Sorry."

You caught it because you perhaps didn't wear masks or social distance?

Which....you don't really need to apologize for, Zed.

How did you give it to the next person....who maybe was killed as a result?

#15 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-19 12:53 PM | Reply

No apologies, EB. I made light years fewer mistakes with COVID than MAGA and that's why I am alive today. If there's another pandemic I expect to be living still. That won't be true of many of my MAGA neighbors, for reasons they already know and may be reviewing in their minds at the moment of death.

#16 | Posted by Zed at 2024-03-19 01:01 PM | Reply

@#8 ... "And, experts say, extended closures did little to stop the spread of Covid."

So the complaint here is folks didn't have a crystal ball, and they were making 2020 decisions based on what they knew in 2020?!? ...

Bingo!

Back in 2020, we knew little about this new enemy that was coming onshore and attacking the United States.

So, standard preventive measures were taken.

Once we knew it was airborne-spread, schools were allowed to open, but they needed to upgrade (in some cases, significantly) their ventilation systems.

With fmr Pres Trump making COVID more about divisive politics than medically slowing the virus' spread, we are now faced with a situation like...

COVID backlash could leave the U.S. less ready for the next pandemic
www.axios.com

... our years after COVID-19 emerged, the U.S. in many ways is far less ready for the next major viral threat, despite the pandemic era's significant scientific advances.

Why it matters: Key weaknesses in the country's COVID response have only become more glaring, including the politicization of public health, an understaffed health care workforce and a growing hostility to science.

The big picture: Experts say it's a matter of when, not if, the world will face another pandemic, and the next one could make the last look mild. ...



#17 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-03-19 01:05 PM | Reply

-That won't be true of many of my MAGA neighbors, for reasons they already know and may be reviewing in their minds at the moment of death.

If they are MAGA that could die next time then they...

1. didn't social distance
2. not healthy
3. not vaccinated

How are they still alive?

#18 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-19 01:07 PM | Reply

Pure dumb luck.

#19 | Posted by Zed at 2024-03-19 01:11 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"The more time students spent in remote instruction, the further they fell behind."

Okay, but the lockdowns weren't about educational attainment.

Educational attainment got traded off, for the safety of teachers and staff.

Have they done studies in educational attainment when a teacher dies in the school year?

#20 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-19 01:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It was known pretty early on that kids posed almost no risk. It's why a lot of other Western countries had only brief closures along with some states here.

Incorrect. This was an early opinion that turned out to be caused by testing sampling bias.

When the specific question of COVID and children was studied, it was found they had higher viral loads (=more contagious) and showed less symptoms, which increased likelihood of spread because they didn't know they had it.

Your talking point is almost as old as the pandemic.

#21 | Posted by jpw at 2024-03-19 01:14 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 4

I'm sure that you're trying to make some sort of a point here. COVID didn't kill everyone who dared it to. But no one goes around selling wolf tickets to fate forever. You could make your own list of acquaintances likely to die in a new pandemic. And you would likely be as right about them as anyone you know also playing Russian roulette..

#22 | Posted by Zed at 2024-03-19 01:15 PM | Reply

@#18 ... How are they still alive? ...

Some of the medical articles I've read note that there are some people who seem to be less affected by the COVID virus, and the reason why is not yet known.


#23 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-03-19 01:16 PM | Reply

COVID continues to prove how darkly morbid MAGA is. There's something wrong with those people.

#24 | Posted by Zed at 2024-03-19 01:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

My whole family including 3 in school all got COVID AFTER schools were closed down and before they went back.

I assume this fact is playing into this study. That a lot of people got it regardless.

This is all before the vaccination was available of course.

And please understand......I supported masks, vaccinations, and social distancing....working remote, etc.

But school closures are a specific issue that came with a lot of consequences the rest of us didn't have to absorb.

#25 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-19 01:19 PM | Reply

"How are they still alive?"

The same way folks who hide under a tall, isolated tree during a lightning storm are.

#26 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-03-19 01:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

How are they still alive?

#18 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Studies have showed that once COVID Vaccines were introduced, more republicans died than republicans.

Why are any still alive? Because Darwin's Law has already cleared out the riff raff?

And also we are not in another global pandemic.

Yet.

The next one is projected to be worse because of how poorly we reacted as a society to this one. Disease X (no it's not Twitter but a hypothetical disease) is projected to be 20 times worse.

#27 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-03-19 01:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-COVID didn't kill everyone who dared it to

who in the group of....

1. comorbidity/compromised health
2. reckless behavior and disregard for others and themselves
3 unvaccinated

is still around?? I'm referring to all 3 conditions above...not just 2 & 3.

I think there are LOT less of those people around today for obvious reasons.

We still have a lot of MAGA folks out there but their health is why they survived the last time. Not their choices.

If Zed thinks his neighbors, who survived the last one, but won't the next one....is wrong.

they'll survive the next one for the same reasons they survived the last one. Unless their health changes.

#28 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-19 01:28 PM | Reply

-A school closure would have prevented me and my wife from getting COVID

How so?

I know everyone else here sees this as an absurd assertion but they pity you, Zed....I however do not.

So.....how so? How are you in a position to know you wouldn't have gotten regardless?

Does your wife work in a school? HAD to work and get COVID?

#29 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-19 01:32 PM | Reply

"Some of the medical articles I've read note that there are some people who seem to be less affected by the COVID virus, and the reason why is not yet known."

Could 1 of the reasons be that those people are healthy and don't suffer from compromised health?

#30 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-19 01:33 PM | Reply

they'll survive the next one for the same reasons they survived the last one. Unless their health changes.
#28 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Depends on the virus.

#31 | Posted by jpw at 2024-03-19 01:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

My bad....of course that's a huge variable I failed to mention.

#32 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-19 01:48 PM | Reply

EBERLY---You seem to think that COVID killed everyone who could have been killed. That's pretty damned stupid. Like saying that everyone who drives drunk will die in a car wreck. We can only say that the probabilities will catch up with drunk drivers and MAGA COVID deniers eventually. As a side note, are you on the rag?

#33 | Posted by Zed at 2024-03-19 01:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#30 ... Could 1 of the reasons be that those people are healthy and don't suffer from compromised health? ...

Healthy people without compromised health suffered from COVID.


#34 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-03-19 01:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#33 ... We can only say that the probabilities will catch up with drunk drivers and MAGA COVID deniers eventually. ...

... and perhaps we hear so much about/from the MAGA folk who survived COVID is because they tend to be more vocal about it due to the politics that fmr Pres Trump introduced into the COVID response of the Country.


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#35 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-03-19 01:55 PM | Reply

-are you on the rag?

Oh please....you're perpetually on the rag and just want everyone here to give you permission to bleed on them.

-You seem to think that COVID killed everyone who could have been killed.

What % of the folks I referenced above were not killed by covid?

People who meet all 3 conditions above. How many of them survived?

Let me ask another way.....who do you know who survived (who meets all 3 conditions)


#36 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-19 01:56 PM | Reply

One word, EBERLY: Midol.

#37 | Posted by Zed at 2024-03-19 01:59 PM | Reply

35

I see what you're saying.

JPW, does my question to Zed made sense?

#38 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-19 02:00 PM | Reply

I don't know what % of folks who meet all three of your conditions were not killed by COVID. I do know that I still see them walking around. Like I said, next time...

#39 | Posted by Zed at 2024-03-19 02:01 PM | Reply

they'll survive the next one for the same reasons they survived the last one. Unless their health changes.
#28 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Their health will change. As inevitably happens with age.

And not if the next pandemic is 20 times worse as projected.

And also it would depend on an overwhelming number of other variables.

Like who leading the country at that time and his or her leadership abilities.

#40 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-03-19 02:02 PM | Reply

Sending our kids to Public schools are hurting our children!
Not sending our kids to public school is hurting our children !

- - todays "conservative" Karen's

#41 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2024-03-19 02:04 PM | Reply

I think covid killed everyone that would die from getting covid. those that didn't die from covid that would have they got it........they managed to avoid getting it.

how did they manage not getting it? by doing what they were supposed to do. masks, social distancing and getting vaccinated asap.

those that would die from covid if they contracted it.......they are dead.

My point is nobody was that lucky. Anybody who was indifferent to getting covid......got covid. and if it was to kill them....they are dead. If they aren't dead, then it's because they could handle it. (didn't meet all 3 conditions)

Zed seems to think he has neighbors who were really lucky last time. I say they got covid, and survived. Just like Zed did.

#42 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-19 02:11 PM | Reply

-I do know that I still see them walking around.

No you don't. You see -------- who went looking for covid with their reckless behavior and found it....but they survived.

#43 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-19 02:14 PM | Reply

Tangentially related...

Health experts plead for unvaxxed Americans to get measles shot as cases rise
arstechnica.com

... The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the American Medical Association sent out separate but similar pleas on Monday for unvaccinated Americans to get vaccinated against the extremely contagious measles virus as vaccination rates have slipped, cases are rising globally and nationally, and the spring-break travel period is beginning.

In the first 12 weeks of 2024, US measles cases have already matched and likely exceeded the case total for all of 2023. According to the CDC, there were 58 measles cases reported from 17 states as of March 14. But media tallies indicate there have been more cases since then, with at least 60 cases now in total, according to CBS News. In 2023, there were 58 cases in 20 states.

"As evident from the confirmed measles cases reported in 17 states so far this year, when individuals are not immunized as a matter of personal preference or misinformation, they put themselves and others at risk of disease -- including children too young to be vaccinated, cancer patients, and other immunocompromised people," AMA President Jesse Ehrenfeld said in a statement urging vaccination Monday.

The latest data indicates that vaccination rates among US kindergarteners have slipped to 93 percent nationally, below the 95 percent target to prevent the spread of the disease. And vaccine exemptions for non-medical reasons have reached an all-time high. ...


#44 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-03-19 02:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Sending our kids to Public schools are hurting our children!
Not sending our kids to public school is hurting our children !

- - todays "conservative" Karen's

#41 | POSTED BY CHIEFTUTMOSES

This is from the party that wants to give groomer teachers guns

#45 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-03-19 02:28 PM | Reply

Sending our kids to Public schools are hurting our children!
Not sending our kids to public school is hurting our children !

- - todays "conservative" Karen's

#41 | POSTED BY CHIEFTUTMOSES

This is from the party that wants to give groomer teachers guns

#46 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-03-19 02:31 PM | Reply

My bad....of course that's a huge variable I failed to mention.

#32 | POSTED BY EBERLY

It was a bit of a nitpick on my part but, I think, an important one.

Despite the numbers, COVID was/is mild compared to what's out there.

And the complacency that's developed during this pandemic could be hugely problematic in the next one. Especially if it is a novel influenza strain where people saying "it's just the flu" won't be completely wrong.

Until the 15%+ mortality rate becomes apparent ...

#47 | Posted by jpw at 2024-03-19 02:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"But the combination " poverty and remote learning " was particularly harmful. For each week spent remote, students in poor districts experienced steeper losses in math than peers in richer districts.

That is notable, because poor districts were also more likely to stay remote for longer."

this should surprise nobody. That kids with fewer resources at home or less support at home were impacted by remote learning more.

#48 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-19 02:38 PM | Reply

#38 I think so.

The problem with these discussions is most don't realize we're dealing with the interactions of several bell curves at the same time, some of which are black boxes at a personal level and all of which are probabilities of protection or susceptibility. We just see an averaged % (often itself averaged percentages from disparate studies) with largely unknown math behind it.

Sure, somebody who is obese or elderly and has COPD or is a smoker might get it and might die or might not. We don't know what their individual genetics are, what dose did they receive, do they have previous or cross reactive immunity, which strain and how susceptible to immunity is it, what's the state of their immune system ...

This is why the picture I saw being circulated for a while that showed multiple layers of Swiss cheese being compared to multiple layers of protections was apt IMO. Sure, none are perfect and all let something through alone, but the overall effect is each reduction is compounded by the next and in the absence of knowledge of the myriad of variables above that multi layer approach was appropriate.

Sorry, that quickly turned into a rambling post. Hope it answered the simple starting question LOL

#49 | Posted by jpw at 2024-03-19 02:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

47

The next pandemic will be influenced by politics and misinformation, unfortunately.

#50 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-19 02:46 PM | Reply

@#47 ... And the complacency that's developed during this pandemic could be hugely problematic in the next one. ...

That's one of my larger concerns regarding what we learned bout COVID and pandemics...

#51 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-03-19 02:46 PM | Reply

@#49 ... This is why the picture I saw being circulated for a while that showed multiple layers of Swiss cheese being compared to multiple layers of protections was apt IMO. Sure, none are perfect and all let something through alone, but the overall effect is each reduction is compounded by the next and in the absence of knowledge of the myriad of variables above that multi layer approach was appropriate. ...

I never saw that picture, but it is an apt analogy, imo.

#52 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-03-19 02:48 PM | Reply

Tommy tuberville, high priestess of modern "conservatism" says public schools are a satanic cult

But yet his water carrying Karen's are making a stink about the damage done to American children by not sending them to this "cult"
You ambulance chasing jaggoffs need to get on the same page

Just goes to show these cretins care little about anything, other than politicizing issues, because "conviction" or whatever

#53 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2024-03-19 03:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

LOL. EBERLY wants to remote view my experience of life and correct me. No, my flatland friend. Perhaps I should have said that I know these people and their lives, and not just see them walking around. They dared the beast of COVID and did not get bitten. I think that they are like infantrymen wandering through an artillery barrage and some are going to survive by the grace of God or---Like I said---Pure dumb luck.

#54 | Posted by Zed at 2024-03-19 03:07 PM | Reply

-They dared the beast of COVID and did not get bitten.

and you think that means they didn't actually get covid.

They did. Anybody who didn't try to avoid covid got covid.

#55 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-19 03:15 PM | Reply

-EBERLY wants to remote view my experience of life

Zed tries to paint a picture of his life from his front door all the time here. His wife, neighbors, etc....all are in the picture.

tomorrow......he'll do it again.

And then complain when someone dares to address it.

#56 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-19 03:16 PM | Reply

COVID isn't done killing people.

Millions suffer from "long COVID." I know one dude, formerly healthy, who now has congestive heart disease in his 40's. He wouldn't take any precautions, of course. Now he can barely make it to the mailbox and back. Another one I know with long COVID has experienced severe muscle atrophy. She has trouble walking now because the muscles in her legs are so atrophied. There are innumerable numbers of long COVID sufferers with permanent lung damage, blood vessels, heart disease, autoimmune and other COVID-caused maladies who'll never be the same and won't live out the life expectancy they would have previously.

#57 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2024-03-19 03:19 PM | Reply

"Anybody who didn't try to avoid COVID got COVID"----Is something you believe, and you are welcome to it. Just keep getting your shots, EB, so that you can have a long career fitting other people into your peculiar view of life.

#58 | Posted by Zed at 2024-03-19 03:22 PM | Reply

1 in 4 Americans didn't get covid, according to the CDC.

How did the 25% manage it?

My point is the only way someone managed to not get covid was to give some effort to avoid it.

wore a mask, social distanced, got vaccinated, etc. okay....and let's add "luck" to it.

if they took no action to avoid it......didn't get it 1 time....but they'll die the next time?

Let's be honest....this is nothing more than Zed wishing death on his neighbors. Because he believes they want to kill him.

#59 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-19 03:26 PM | Reply

-Is something you believe, and you are welcome to it.

This from someone who believes his neighbors either want to spit covid on him or shoot him.

#60 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-19 03:27 PM | Reply

Some of my neighbors want to shoot me, EBERLY. That is, if they knew my political views. I've seen the black "No Mercy" flags they fly. I'll bet you have, too. I get by by not posting Biden signs or bumper stickers. Also no MSNBC while visitors are in the house. When people talk their politics to me, I smile and listen, and they naturally assume I am just like them.

#61 | Posted by Zed at 2024-03-19 03:32 PM | Reply

1 in 4 Americans didn't get covid, according to the CDC.
How did the 25% manage it?
My point is the only way someone managed to not get covid was to give some effort to avoid it.
#59 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Does "some effort" include all the lockdowns that the schools did?
Or are you just dismissing those obvious measures to prevent the spread?

#62 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-19 03:59 PM | Reply

Lies, damn lies, and statistics.

#63 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-03-19 10:34 PM | Reply

"It was known pretty early on that kids posed almost no risk."

I'll take Made-Up Facts for $1,600, Ken.

#64 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-03-20 02:12 AM | Reply

Didn't read the whole thread, but who was going to teach the kids? Maybe kids were at less risk than adults, something that was not well known at the time despite ----------- claim, and seeing statistics that the majority of pediatricians are getting their kids vaccinated would lead me to believe that they still think COVID is a risk to their kids. Now back to the original question, who was going to teach the kids? Because there are two types of people in schools, students and teachers/administrators/support staff. As far as I saw, the parents wanted the kids to go back to school, but the teachers were not okay with that plan. What person wants to put themselves at risk for a deadly disease where the death is excruciating, slowly drowning in your own mucus, for a wage that in some states is less than minimum wage in other states? Keeping the schools closed might have delayed some learning, but it saved a lot of teachers' lives.

#65 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2024-03-20 09:05 AM | Reply

MAGATS are still upset that Covid only killed 1.2M Americans. They were hoping for at least 3 times as many.

#66 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2024-03-20 03:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Didn't read the whole thread, but who was going to teach the kids? Maybe kids were at less risk than adults, something that was not well known at the time despite ----------- claim, and seeing statistics that the majority of pediatricians are getting their kids vaccinated would lead me to believe that they still think COVID is a risk to their kids. Now back to the original question, who was going to teach the kids? Because there are two types of people in schools, students and teachers/administrators/support staff. As far as I saw, the parents wanted the kids to go back to school, but the teachers were not okay with that plan. What person wants to put themselves at risk for a deadly disease where the death is excruciating, slowly drowning in your own mucus, for a wage that in some states is less than minimum wage in other states? Keeping the schools closed might have delayed some learning, but it saved a lot of teachers' lives.

#65 | POSTED BY _GUNSLINGER_ AT 2024-03-20 09:05 AM | REPLY

Bears repeating.

#67 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-03-20 04:32 PM | Reply

#57 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY AT 2024-03-19 03:19 PM | FLAG:

Long Covid is the one that freaks me out now.

A little personal take - Eberly, might want to take note, including that I'm being fair on all sides to this.

I'm not a huge fan of the vaccines, but I am still a fan - I strongly suspect the spike protein itself is highly inflammatory, whether the rest of the virus is included or not - but it's hard to say if it's that, something different about the adjuvants, or what other factor - all I can say anecdotally is first shot (all Moderna)- nothing. Second shot - 103 degree fever, chills, worst body aches ever. I mean like there are joints in your feet I never thought of a day before in my life, until standing on them hurt that night lol. Gone after 48 hours. First booster almost a year later - 2 weeks after I had hives all over my body and a huge autoimmune flare up. As in, I have psoriasis, but not bad. Scalp gets a little flaky in winter. But this - on my arms, scalp, hands. Signs of psoriatic arthritis as joints all over were painful and inflamed. Ended up on a couple courses of prednisone and constant antihistamines for weeks.

I'm still glad it's out though. I've worked long term care a couple decades by now. Close to one in five residents at my facility died in the first wave. It was one of the most awful and heartbreaking things I've ever seen. And many of those who didn't die struggled for months afterwards. Fatigue, altered cognition, respiratory distress.

Nothing like that has happened since the vaccines. Nothing close.

And Covid itself, particularly the long covid bit is unpredictable. I'm in extremely good shape for my mid 40's, still weight lift, snowboard, mountain bike, SCUBA - you get the picture. The first time I got it, the November before vaccines were released it affected me the way I kind of expected - that is to say, couldn't smell anything for 4 days, and then smell returned and fine. A little over a year ago last fall got it again - and had a light cold for a week. Except for two months afterwards also extreme fatigue, shortness of breath I could only describe as like being at altitude - lungs were clear, breathing was fine, it just didn't do anything. Just air hunger, gasping for breath from mild exertion, etc, and the whole time resting pulse minimally ten bpm higher than normal and when I tried to out-exercise it, rocketing up to 185 from something small like trying to pedal slowly up a hill. It was frightening and unexpected, I thought I had the fitness to justify my arrogance. Covid does not care.

And yeah - it's weird that was after several vaccines - but go back to the previous line - I've never had to go through anything like the first wave with our patients since the vaccine either. And thank God, because I think I'd have to change careers if I did.

#68 | Posted by zeropointnrg at 2024-03-20 06:14 PM | Reply

Wow, the gaslighting on this thread is strong.

Those that are willing to believe the study are still saying, rough quote ~"well hindsight is 20/20, we had no way of knowing"

Yet there was argument day after day here stating over that exact point. And anyone who argued that keeping the kids out of school was going to have a large, long impact was shouted down and laughed at. Everything was done in an abundance of caution with no critical thinking.

Sorry, but this outcome was blatantly obvious if one chose not to curl into the fetal position over Covid.

You pointed and laughed then, now own the fact that this isn't 20/20 vision... This was warned over and over again, but too many people lost their minds to fear.

#69 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2024-03-20 06:27 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

@#69 ... Those that are willing to believe the study are still saying, rough quote ~"well hindsight is 20/20, we had no way of knowing"

Yet there was argument day after day here stating over that exact point. And anyone who argued that keeping the kids out of school was going to have a large, long impact was shouted down and laughed at. ...

It is not that keeping kids out of school had no consequences, it was about using appropriate protocols trying to confine a pandemic that was not understood at the time. That's the hindsight is 20/20 aspect of your alias' comment.


So, your alias' victory lap is lame, at best, because it does not take into account what was happening back in 2020.


#70 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-03-20 07:10 PM | Reply

All this says is that lots of schools were utterly incompetent at designing online learning systems.

THAT is the problem that needs to be fixed. There's no more reason for a kid to have to sit in a classroom than for a parent to have to sit in an office. Work from home is more productive than working in an office. Learning doesn't have to be any different.

#71 | Posted by DarkVader at 2024-03-20 10:36 PM | Reply

https://www.timesofisrael.com pfizer-ceo-postponed-israel-visit-because-he-isnt-fully-vaccinated-report

Pfizer CEO postponed Israel visit because he isn't fully vaccinated ...
A visit by the CEO of pharmaceutical giant Pfizer next week was postponed due to the fact that Albert Bourla and his delegation are not yet fully immunized against COVID-19, an Israeli television ...

Lol,
I god damn guarantee you that Biden nor Trump nor anyone else 'inside' got it either.
NB4 "I saw it on TV he definitely got it"
lmao.

#72 | Posted by libs_of_dr at 2024-03-20 11:12 PM | Reply

And yeah - it's weird that was after several vaccines -
#68 | Posted by zeropointnrg

Really? Did you apply for a refund?

#73 | Posted by libs_of_dr at 2024-03-20 11:19 PM | Reply

Wow, the gaslighting on this thread is strong.
#69 | POSTED BY KWRX25

^
You don't even understand what lockdowns were supposed to accomplish.

#74 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-21 02:30 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Sooooooo what they are saying is their parents dropped the ball in educating and socializing their kids?

#75 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2024-03-21 05:31 AM | Reply

It's interesting today that MAGA still won't admit what a relentless mass murderer COVID was.

#2 | POSTED BY ZED AT 2024-03-19 10:56 AM | FLAG:

They talk about it all the time framed as how many old people Democrats killed through state and city policies.

#76 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-03-21 08:17 AM | Reply

I had to slam on my brakes and skid to avoid hitting a tree. This decreased the efficiency and longevity of my brakes and tires. I guess I should have hit the tree and avoided those consequences.

#77 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2024-03-21 08:30 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

re: #74 Snoofy

I don't think they understand what "gaslighting" means

#78 | Posted by hamburglar at 2024-03-21 09:05 AM | Reply

Really? Did you apply for a refund?

#73 | POSTED BY LIBS_OF_DR AT 2024-03-20 11:19 PM | FLAG:

Do a long rant to make sure there's plenty nuance, and somehow still don't get it?

I have my problems with the vax, which is why in another thread I complained about the politicization of it - it's hard to ask real questions when you have bad faith nut jobs polluting every conversation. There are clearly possible side effects for instance, and they need more research into how and why. But guess what. Vitamin C has side effects. Water has side effects. Yet like I said, I've gone from a near 20% mortality rate in an at-risk population to near 0 since it came out. Think I won't take that over a rough few weeks?

#79 | Posted by zeropointnrg at 2024-03-21 09:41 AM | Reply

Zero, I appreciate your 68. Thanks for sharing

#80 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-21 09:46 AM | Reply

Republicans still whining about saving lives. If only we'd have killed more people then things would be better.

#81 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-03-21 12:32 PM | Reply

I god damn guarantee you that Biden nor Trump nor anyone else 'inside' got it either.
NB4 "I saw it on TV he definitely got it"
lmao.

#72 | Posted by libs_of_dr

Your ability to GUARANTEE fantasies is exactly what I'd expect from a trump cult member.

Why did trump create such a horrible vaccine?

#82 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-03-21 12:35 PM | Reply

-It is not that keeping kids out of school had no consequences, it was about using appropriate protocols trying to confine a pandemic that was not understood at the time. That's the hindsight is 20/20 aspect of your alias' comment.

That's why a discussion as to the consequences vs the benefits is necessary in order to best combat the next pandemic.

which is what this was about.

But discussions like this are challenging due to participants only interested in seeing the world through their binary lenses. One side good...the other side bad.

and worrying this discussion hurts Biden.

#83 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-21 12:58 PM | Reply

and worrying this discussion hurts Biden.

#83 | Posted by eberly

The entire reason covid denialism started was his cults' worry that it would hurt trump.

An extra half million americans got killed by trump's cult trying to prove covid wasn't real.

#84 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-03-21 01:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"One side good...the other side bad."

Yeah that's the problem with peoples approach to the problem. Both sides are bad.

The real problem that the complainers still can't come to grips with is this:
Sometimes there really aren't good choices.
Sometimes your only choice is between two evils.

We had to choose between the evil of more death, vs. the evil of kids not receiving as good an education.

Those are both bad.

But only Republicans like Texas Lt Gov Dan Patrick tried to spin teachers dying from COVID as good for the students:

"No one reached out to me and said, 'As a senior citizen, are you willing to take a chance on your survival in exchange for keeping the America that America loves for its children and grandchildren?' And if that is the exchange, I'm all in," Patrick said.
www.nbcnews.com

#85 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-21 01:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

84

those folks would have done the same thing even if Hillary had won....just to spite liberals.

#86 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-21 01:17 PM | Reply

The article spends very little time on the impact of school closures on the spread of covid before concluding that "experts say" it did not have a "significant" impact. I don't think the data is unanimous on that point. Here are some studies the article appears to ignore.

Overall, school closure effectively suppresses COVID-19 related syndromes in students owing to the reduction of physical contact. In addition, school closure has a spillover effect on elderly people who stay at home.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Countries that implement [school] closure have fewer new COVID-19 cases than those that do not.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Between March 9, 2020, and May 7, 2020, school closure in the US was temporally associated with decreased COVID-19 incidence and mortality; states that closed schools earlier, when cumulative incidence of COVID-19 was low, had the largest relative reduction in incidence and mortality.
jamanetwork.com

Bottom line, you can find data to support either side of this argument, and the number of deaths you deem to be "significant" enough to be worth preventing as compared to apparent learning loss is your own personal judgment to make.

#87 | Posted by JOE at 2024-03-21 01:58 PM | Reply

That said, i have to laugh at the number of "pro-life" folks who so consistently attack every single possible measure aimed at stopping people from dying. From masks, to social distancing, to vaccines, to closures, purported "pro lifers" seem to consistently attack all of it. Very weird.

#88 | Posted by JOE at 2024-03-21 02:01 PM | Reply

#88

It's a matter of...prevent the next COVID case at any cost...or consider the cost of preventing that next COVID case.

You live in the US. You are fortunate. Europe was hot garbage under COVID. The US did things better. Some states were chasing the hot garbage model originating in Europe, but in other states COVID was done by May 2020.

Really, risk management is a personal thing. It always is, it always has been. So far as I know, the government has never tried to prohibit social distancing, or vaccines, or closures. The problem is government making those things mandatory. Especially in an environment where those who are most likely to die from COVID are those who are most likely to die.

#89 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-03-21 03:20 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Really, risk management is a personal thing."

Is you managing my risk your personal thing?

#90 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-21 03:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Is you managing my risk your personal thing?"

If it were, it wouldn't be a personal thing.

Or should I have the right to stop you from doing stuff you might otherwise want to do?

#91 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-03-21 03:30 PM | Reply

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#72 | Posted by libs_of_dr at 2024-03-20 11:12 PM |
Pfizer CEO postponed Israel visit because he isn't fully vaccinated ...
A visit by the CEO of pharmaceutical giant Pfizer next week was postponed due to the fact that Albert Bourla and his delegation are not yet fully immunized...

Lol, I god damn guarantee you that Biden nor Trump nor anyone else 'inside' got it either. lmao.

NB! - That was on March 4 of 2021.

Fully vaccinated by Pfizer vaccine required at least two injections separated by several months and then at least 2 weeks of immunization period, and at the time the vaccine has not been on the market that long or in sufficient quantities, and he pledged in December of 2020 not "to cut in line" to get the vaccine. In December 2020, Israel signed an agreement with Pfizer to purchase enough doses to vaccinate its entire population.

On March 10, 2021 this happened : Bourla was fully inoculated in late March. Bourla tweeted a picture of himself receiving his second shot. "Excited to receive my 2nd dose of the Pfizer/BioNTech #COVID19 vaccine. There's nothing I want more than for my loved ones and people around the world to have the same opportunity. Although the journey is far from over, we are working tirelessly to beat the virus."

This was easy to check... still LOL?
__________

#92 | Posted by CutiePie at 2024-03-21 03:34 PM | Reply

Very weird.
#88 | Posted by JOE

All you have to do is accept the fact, and it is a hard pill to swallow, that the only goal of American Conservatives is to "pwn" the Liberals. They don't care who dies, who suffers, who goes sick or hungry. There's no way in their mind that a Liberal can be right about anything.
I've often said that all Biden has to do is speak out against jumping off of bridges.

#93 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2024-03-21 03:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Snoofy and whomever newsworthy'd this...

"You don't even understand what lockdowns were supposed to accomplish.

#74 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2024-03-21 02:30 AM | FLAG:
(CHOOSE)
| NEWSWORTHY 1"

I know exactly what lockdowns were meant to prevent... As usual you'll target what I didn't say rather address what I was saying. As Darkvader said above, though I might think he was a little aggressive with the timeline "The US did things better. Some states were chasing the hot garbage model originating in Europe, but in other states COVID was done by May 2020." Yet my kids were doing their 20/21 school years remotely. The discussions I'm referring to were well after the initial lockdowns, people were returning to normal but we held the kids out well beyond. To me this extended isolation of an entire generation is ultimately going to be found to not only caused them harm, but more harm than we avoided in the short term. Just my opinion. but I love the whole there was no way to know, yet somehow there were whole arguments, seemed some in that discussion saw it coming.

#94 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2024-03-21 04:10 PM | Reply

"To me this extended isolation of an entire generation is ultimately going to be found to not only caused them harm, but more harm than we avoided in the short term."

Oh yeah, it's bad, not denying that.
But spare us the crocodile tears.
It will put a whole generation of kids on par with what used to just be the poor kids in poor school districts.

The education system has been broken for years. COVID simply democratized that fact.

And people like you have zero plans to improve public education. Well, except for rich kids, then you're all about the vouchers, knowing the only way they work is they don't cover the full price of private school, and even if parents from failing schools can scrape together the money, the private schools can still reject their kids.

#95 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-21 04:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Or should I have the right to stop you from doing stuff you might otherwise want to do?
#91 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

According to you, you do have that right.
If you're going out in public without a mask during the pandemic, you're increasing the risk for others.

#96 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-21 04:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Really, risk management is a personal thing. It always is, it always has been."

Can quarantines ever be justified, and if so, why?

#97 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-21 04:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

According to you, you do have that right.
If you're going out in public without a mask during the pandemic, you're increasing the risk for others.

POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2024-03-21 04:55 PM | REPLY

They should have arrested the unmasked like they did during the Spanish Flu days. There was no call for being unmasked.

#98 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-03-21 05:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

According to you, you do have that right.

His view is he does what he wants, and if you are afraid you can wear an M-50 gas mask or hide in your basement.

#99 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-03-21 05:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Or should I have the right to stop you from doing stuff you might otherwise want to do?

#91 | Posted by madbomber

If that stuff endangers people yeah DUH.

#100 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-03-21 05:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Drunk Driving is not the drunk driver's problem. It's not even the drunk driver's fault! If you don't want to be on the road with drunk drivers, then don't drive.
If you don't want to get bombed by IDF because you live in the same apartment block as a Hamas terrorist, then don't live there.
If you didn't want to get blown up on Pan Am 103, you shouldn't have boarded the flight.
If you didn't want to die on 9/11, you should have worked from home that day.

This is how MadBomber manages "risk."

#101 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-21 05:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Or should I have the right to stop you from doing stuff you might otherwise want to do?"

Your job is to stop Al Qaeda and ISIS from doing stuff they might otherwise want to do, by killing them.
So, what's the disconnect here?
It's you. You're the disconnect.

#102 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-21 05:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I had 3 kids home during COVID. One in college, one in high school and one in grade school.

It was hard. But their mom was all over it and made sure they had the resources necessary to get all they could from remote learning.

Despite all those challenges, I'm in no position to go back in time and scrutinize those decisions. I think the discussion is fair but that's about it for me.

But I disagree with any position that assumes we had to remove the risk.

cars
diets
alcohol
tobacco
firearms

these are risks we accept every day in society. And we experience hundreds of thousands of deaths a year due to that short list of exposures. We accept them year after year.

#103 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-21 05:36 PM | Reply

-I've often said that all Biden has to do is speak out against jumping off of bridges.

I wonder if COVID numbers wouldn't have been worse had Hillary won.

For that reason you mentioned.....

#104 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-21 05:40 PM | Reply

"But I disagree with any position that assumes we had to remove the risk."

Remove, really? You're an insurance guy. You know that risk isn't ever removed, it can only be mitigated. Cars are far safer today than fifty years ago. Guns control mitigates risk from guns. MADD and AA mitigates risk from alcohol. The massive Big Tobacco lawsuit money was spent to encourage youth to stop or better yet never start smoking, again mitigating the risk from cigarettes.

I don't accept your --------, and neither should you.

#105 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-21 05:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

LOL

I'll respond if anybody else cares to respond to me.

Snoofy made a nice try.....but he's gonna wait until he can get someone else older than him (15) to respond.

#106 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-21 05:49 PM | Reply

I wonder if COVID numbers wouldn't have been worse had Hillary won.

For that reason you mentioned.....

#104 | Posted by eberly

Your thesis is that republicans are so partisan and stupid that if a dem had been in charge, even more of them would have killed themselves to prove the pandemic wasn't real?

I can see that.

Alternately, I could also see them embracing the pandemic as a failure of democrats somehow and exaggerating it instead of trying to wish it away.

#107 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-03-21 05:55 PM | Reply

-Your thesis is that republicans are so partisan and stupid that if a dem had been in charge, even more of them would have killed themselves to prove the pandemic wasn't real?

Yes.

And Hillary would have been blamed.

#108 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-21 05:59 PM | Reply

And Hillary would have been blamed.

#108 | Posted by eberly

So basically, no matter who was in the white house, republican stupidity would have caused our hundreds of thousands of excess deaths.

#109 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-03-21 06:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Yes. It was going to get politicized regardless.

The discontent for Hillary and the democrats has burned much longer and deeper than what trump stoked.

#110 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-21 07:10 PM | Reply

I wonder if COVID numbers wouldn't have been worse had Hillary won.

Good point. I would bet it all that conservative resistance to closures and masking/distancing orders would have been 3x louder and more defiant. The whole thing would have been pinned on her as some sort of socialist takeover of human life. With Trump as president, it was harder for conservatives to coalesce around any particular political target other than the policies themselves, which i consider them notoriously bad at actually debating on the merits.

#111 | Posted by JOE at 2024-03-21 07:24 PM | Reply

The discontent for Hillary and the democrats has burned much longer and deeper than what trump stoked.

#110 | Posted by eberly

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED
-Rupert Murdoch

#112 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-03-21 07:27 PM | Reply

"The discontent for Hillary and the democrats"

The word for that discontent is misogyny.

Hillary is merely one of many women Republicans use to virtue signal their misogyny.

Recently, we saw Republicans expressing that same "discontent" as you so charitably called it towards Taylor Swift.

Her crime? Encouraging women to vote.

It's misogyny. And to be fair it's not just Republicans, as we saw when Biden beat Trump where Hillary didn't, and Bernie fell off 10% in the primaries when it was Biden, not Hillary he had to run against.

But only Republicans make misogyny a centerpiece of the party ideology, with the abortion stuff.

#113 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-21 07:33 PM | Reply

-The whole thing would have been pinned on her as some sort of socialist takeover of human life.

Yes. Exactly.

#114 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-21 07:40 PM | Reply

There's a lot of assumptions going on here. So here's some more.

If Hillary had won in 2016, the trillion dollar tax cut wouldn't have passed.

CDC wouldn't have been defunded.

The president of the United States wouldn't be making statements about the dangers of Covid being a hoax.

#115 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-03-21 07:48 PM | Reply

At some point you will have to accept the fact Trump and Republicans played a major role in the failures to protect the nation from Covid.

#116 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-03-21 07:50 PM | Reply

Anyone who doesn't 100% agree with the progressive narrative is a bloodbath MAGA.
#4 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTURDS AT 2024-03-19 11:21 AM | FLAG: proudly declared he takes ivermectin to prevent Covid.

Bloodbath doesn't make sense in that sentence. Stupid.

Despite your fealty to Trump.

You're lying if you're trying to convince anyone that Rrump's use of "bloodbath" was anything other than a dog whistle to the deplorable domestic terrorist MAGAt Trumpers.

He got the dumbest of you to attempt an insurrection. There's little doubt he's hoping for violence if he loses in November.

#117 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-03-21 08:00 PM | Reply

116

Anybody who still refuses to accept that can keep on not accepting that.

Why would their minds change now?

Anybody who believed Trump when he called it a hoax would have believed virtually anybody else who called it a hoax.

They wanted to believe it was a hoax and if it had been Hillary taking the appropriate steps early in the process, the same (and I mean all of them) lunatics who choose to behave recklessly were going down that road regardless.

#118 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-21 08:02 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

If Hillary had won in 2016, the trillion dollar tax cut wouldn't have passed.

CDC wouldn't have been defunded.

The president of the United States wouldn't be making statements about the dangers of Covid being a hoax.

#115 | Posted by ClownShack

And obama's pandemic preparedness team wouldnt have been disbanded

#119 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-03-21 08:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#119 My thoughts exactly.

Hillary would have rolled out massive testing like they did in South Korea.

Deplorables would have done everything the same, but regular people would have tested and quarantined as usual.

The result would be Deplorables dying off much sooner than they did because they refused to test, instead of waiting until there were vaccines to refuse to vaccinate.

Still, Deplorables, by refusing masks and social distancing and vaccines and also testing, would still have ensured the disease swept over the land. Killing plenty of normal people in their wake.

That part was always going to happen.

Freedumb demands it.

#120 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-21 08:24 PM | Reply

Anybody who believed Trump when he called it a hoax would have believed virtually anybody else who called it a hoax.

Agreed.

But also, I don't believe anyone (in this hypothetical world where Trump lost in 2016) would have labeled Covid a hoax.

Calling the dangers of Covid a hoax was 100% started by Trump.

#121 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-03-21 08:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I will use the conservative method of argument:

Both my kids got straight-As and college credits from their AP courses during the Covid shutdown. So this article must not be true.

#122 | Posted by chuffy at 2024-03-21 09:02 PM | Reply

Right.

Trump is not like other Republican Presidents.

He's more like low information Republican Voters.

The thing called decorum does not exist any more in the Republican Party. Trump killed it.

#123 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-21 09:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Both my kids got straight-As and college credits from their AP courses during the Covid shutdown. So this article must not be true.

It's a Bellringer troll thread. Schools have nothing to do with it; the idea is to rehash the entire pandemic to earn points for his 2024 Eberly Award for "Most responded to poster".

#124 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-03-21 09:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The data shows Americans are self-centered morons.

#125 | Posted by ichiro at 2024-03-21 11:08 PM | Reply

I think, if you are the kind of parent who is personally spending time with your kids education, your kids managed home schooling with relatively minor injury.

Likewise, if you are the kind of parent who is detached from your kids education, your kids lost a year or two they'll never get back. You were not ever really there to provide for their needs, but when it was just you to do the providing, and you couldn't pawn it off on the schools any more, your kids really suffered. Your kids were always probably going to be in the bottom tier of the economy, like you are, since socioeconomic status at birth is still the greatest predictor of socioeconomic status at adulthood. But now it's more of a sure thing than ever.

#126 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-21 11:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

What COVID did is separate the men from the boys.

Funny how it's only ever Republicans who cry and cry and cry about it.

Because they are the little boys. And they will never grow up.

#127 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-21 11:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It's a Bellringer troll thread. Schools have nothing to do with it; the idea is to rehash the entire pandemic to earn points for his 2024 Eberly Award for "Most responded to poster".

They're just trying to rewrite history, and justify being almost entirely wrong by finding one small bit of data that could be morphed into support of their more-often-than-not nonsense arguments.

#128 | Posted by chuffy at 2024-03-21 11:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

They're taking a trip down Memory Of Always Being A Victim Lane.

Victim is their preferred gender and you'll never convince them to be a man about it.

#129 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-21 11:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"If you're going out in public without a mask during the pandemic, you're increasing the risk for others."

Only the others who go out in public. That risk can be managed by not going out in public.

#130 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-03-22 04:19 AM | Reply

This thread is a pointless exercise in futility.

#131 | Posted by Angrydad at 2024-03-22 07:55 AM | Reply

I don't believe anyone (in this hypothetical world where Trump lost in 2016) would have labeled Covid a hoax.

I couldn't disagree more. If Hillary were leading the charge against Covid, the cries of it being a hoax would have been 10x louder.

#132 | Posted by JOE at 2024-03-22 08:16 AM | Reply

"If you're going out in public without a mask during the pandemic, you're increasing the risk for others."

"Only the others who go out in public. That risk can be managed by not going out in public."

And if you don't want to be exposed to the risk of drunk drivers, don't drive.

Society has no right to tell individuals they can't drunk drive, according to you.

#133 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-22 08:58 AM | Reply

-This thread is a pointless exercise in futility.

Not to me.

but I like discussions. You appear to prefer being fed a conclusion so you can attack anyone who dares not agree with it.

#134 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-22 09:10 AM | Reply

"And, experts say, extended closures did little to stop the spread of Covid."
So the complaint here is folks didn't have a crystal ball, and they were making 2020 decisions based on what they knew in 2020?!?

#8 | POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2024-03-19 11:31 AM | FLAG:

You are skipping the extended part. So did most the rest of this thread.

Youngkin was elected in November 2021, running on re-opening schools, battling against the teacher's union. All of his biggest gains were in the places slowest to reopen. No, it's not about decisions in 2020 based on 2020 knowledge, we're talking about schools still closed well over a year later.

#135 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-03-22 09:37 AM | Reply

The teachers unions led by the likes of Randy Weinstein have destroyed public schools because their mission priority is political and self serving for union instead of education of children. That is proven by declining outcomes. I no longer believe public schools offer effective apolitical education. Give parents choice. Public schools are there to enrich unions and indoctrinate kids.

Covid was created by Chinese to hurt Trump, America and freedom and end the Hong Kong freedom protests. The Democrats used it to advance their "you will obey and not question our demands" narrative.

#136 | Posted by Robson at 2024-03-22 09:40 AM | Reply

"self serving for union"

Oh yeah. Everyone knows those lazy teachers are just rolling in dough.

Serious question:
Have you read a newspaper in the last forty years?
Because your talkimg points have not evolved one iota.

#137 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-22 09:44 AM | Reply

"All of his biggest gains were in the places slowest to reopen."

Makes sense.

Most parents can't handle the responsibility of having to teach their kids and having a job.

That's not a ding on the parents.

Back when America was Great, mom would not have needed to work, and this whole thing would have been much more manageable.

#138 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-22 09:46 AM | Reply

I no longer believe public schools offer effective apolitical education.

If you really think that about every single public school you are a moron. How many children do you have and what personal experience do you have with public schools?

Give parents choice.

Parents do have choice. Run for school board, idiot.

#139 | Posted by JOE at 2024-03-22 11:15 AM | Reply

"I no longer believe public schools offer effective apolitical education."

I don't see why that's a problem.

America stands for democracy, liberty, freedom, equality. Land of opportunity.

Those things are required components of a public education.

#140 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-22 11:23 AM | Reply

Back when America was Great, mom would not have needed to work

#138 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2024-03-22 09:46 AM | REPLY

Ahh, back when they were in the kitchen where they belonged.

#141 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-03-22 11:36 AM | Reply

lol, such silly propaganda nonsense I can feel one of my history profs lowering my grade retrospectively just for going along with it.

#142 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-03-22 11:37 AM | Reply

The Democrats used it to advance their "you will obey and not question our demands" narrative.
#136 | POSTED BY ROBSON

The Republicans used it to create chaos and division and kill of the millions of our most vulnerable. Even in their own base. They apparently would literally kill themselves if it meant owning the Libs.

I think we can all agree that closing the schools has been a bad thing for our children's educations.

I think we can also agree that killing off most of our teachers would also be a bad thing for our children's education.

And I think we all agree we could have done much better saved and more lives and I think we can agree we are not ready for an even more deadly global pandemic which is probably just around the corner.

#143 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-03-22 12:01 PM | Reply

I no longer believe public schools offer effective apolitical education ... Covid was created by Chinese to hurt Trump

Something tells me this idiot was homeschooled.

#144 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-03-22 12:25 PM | Reply

Covid was created by Chinese to hurt Trump, America and freedom and end the Hong Kong freedom protests. The Democrats used it to advance their "you will obey and not question our demands" narrative.

#136 | Posted by Robson

Is Robson really this stupid or just a russian troll who had to take this job to buy potatoes for his starving family?

#145 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-03-22 12:33 PM | Reply

I've sometimes wondered whether poster "Robson" is a satirical poster.

Their posts are so devoid of reality. It's not possible for someone to be that stupid, right?

#146 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-03-22 12:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I've sometimes wondered whether poster "Robson" is a satirical poster.

Their posts are so devoid of reality. It's not possible for someone to be that stupid, right?

#146 | Posted by ClownShack

There's a few posters that are so stupid that I wonder if they're fake just to keep us engaged on this site. It's always right wingers who can't hold a debate.

Perhaps the mod realized that traffic was dying due to lack of right wingers to debate with, so he created some.

#147 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-03-22 12:48 PM | Reply

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