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The inflation rate in the US picked up in February, as prices for petrol and housing pushed higher.

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Let's pretend banks messing with one number that only messes with people buying houses and banks does something for the average person! /s Also, let's also pretend that a president has something to do with it! /s Let's not blame giant corporations.

#1 | Posted by Brennnn at 2024-03-12 04:19 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I think we are seeing a death spiral.

Too much money caused by COVID spending caused inflation to jump.

So raised interest rates.

Now debt servicing increased due to higher interest rates.
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So printing more money to cover.
www.businessinsider.com

Can't lower rates as inflation increases again.

How to jump off Merry-go-round?

#2 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-03-12 09:13 PM | Reply

---- off you idiot.

#3 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-03-13 12:59 AM | Reply

Thank God, inflation was transitory

#4 | Posted by homerj at 2024-03-13 07:00 PM | Reply

The economy is hot.

The labor market is hot.

The Fed has a problem as it tries to cool things down without causing a major (deep and long) recession.

#5 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-03-14 12:57 AM | Reply

@#2 ...Now debt servicing increased due to higher interest rates....

Yeah, but that's an effect, not a cause.

How do we lower those interest rates?


#6 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-03-14 01:00 AM | Reply

Something that I have been wondering of late...

Are the days of 3 or 4% home mortgages now something of the past?

When I bought my house, my mortgage had an interest rate of 12%.



#7 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-03-14 01:02 AM | Reply

Let's pretend banks messing with one number that only messes with people buying houses and banks does something for the average person! /s Also, let's also pretend that a president has something to do with it! /s Let's not blame giant corporations.

#1 | Posted by Brennnn

1- Yes the 'average person' is affected
2- The president nominates the Fed chairman
3- The Fed is a giant private corporation that makes decisions based on their own interests.

#8 | Posted by libs_of_dr at 2024-03-14 09:41 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I think we are seeing a death spiral.

It's funny how you MAGA idiots salivate over this thinking while voting for Trump...

Anywho, no we're seeing equilibration of the economy as it adjusts to free or very low cost money no longer being a thing.

You know, the state it existed in for decades prior to the non-existent interest glut.

#9 | Posted by jpw at 2024-03-14 09:48 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

How do we lower those interest rates?
- lamplighter

If US is in a spiral it can't.

So long as the government creates more and more money to service the debt.

It's not a cause effect system anylonger, the leverage is circular.

#10 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-03-14 10:16 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

#7

Historically the US debt servicing wasn't very large in principle. So it had no affect on the money creation.

If in this spiral it will continue to rise as servicing gets more expensive.

#11 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-03-14 10:18 AM | Reply

I watched a video the other night from a car guy who owns a dealership talking about the auto merry go round with financing and repos. He's Canadian but talked about US and Canadian markets and how they are the same... How under COVID they were financing anyone and everyone which we saw and how repos are surging now. People need cars and disreputable lenders will give people money for cars when they know they can't pay and it is a rinse and repeat cycle. None of it was news to me but good to see people with at least some influence actually talking about it. The thing he missed is it is the same for housing.

#12 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2024-03-14 12:16 PM | Reply

#9 | Posted by jpw

Exactly.

Something nobody is really talking about is CORPORATIONS had access to virtually free money and they spent on credit lines and loans. If you have a Credit line as a company now you are paying a lot more for the money. I dare say the majority of companies of any size do this. That cost is passed on to consumers and thus rising prices.

Oil has been going up = inflation. It's up about 15% since the beginning of the year but funny story gas has jumped about 22% during that time and diesel only 2.3% - explain that discrepancy. Regardless Energy and Housing are leading the way in the CPI - it isn't everything else. The two biggest factors in the surge in oil prices is the Ukraine war with Russia and Israel's war on Hamas/Houthi idiots/Iran + Russia + China. Ukraine has been targeting Russian refineries and oil facilities - quite successfully. So much so that Russia is no longer selling refined oil products in the form of Gasoline and Diesel. The Houthi's in Yemen have disrupted major shipping lanes. And Iran is playing war games in the Gulf of Oman...

#13 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2024-03-14 12:34 PM | Reply

How under COVID they were financing anyone and everyone which we saw and how repos are surging now.
~ Galaxie

That's because fewer people were buying cars.
www.statista.com

If you have a Credit line as a company now you are paying a lot more for the money.
~ Galaxipixie

Corporations are paying a lot more for everything.

That cost is passed on to consumers and thus rising prices.

This makes it sound like the only reason prices are rising is due to the interest rates of their credit lines, which is false. Its just part of the equation of the overall inflation being experienced..

The reason prices rise (inflation), is because they can do so without losing revenue to competitors. OR the corporation makes and adjustment to the product (shrinkflation) to remain competitive. So long as there is no collusion. Its really that simple.

Prices are rising because there is excess money in the system. All these corporations whom everyone claims are just raising prices and scoring record profits aren't explaining the other side of the equation, where are people getting the money to give to the corporations for rising prices and record profits in dollars. Of course profits are going to rise in dollars.

So where is that excess money coming from? It comes from the Fed buying securities, it increased its holding over COVID, and the M2 money supply went through the roof..
www.statista.com

The Fed was buying more and more securities to stablize the market. This puts money into the system.

The nonlinear jump in the Fed balance sheet is what is causing this inflation, as we are downstream of these purchases, it takes time to get through the system. On top of that you had an "supply chain" issues with JIT manufacturing. But these have been mostly resolved. The spiral of the US debt/fed interplay with the interest rate is a serious one. It can't be ignored.

#14 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-03-14 01:25 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I suspect that 20-years from now, historians and economists will be writing about how the economic baselines had all been reset to new norms in the post-pandemic era. If 20-years ago, someone had provided a list of economic stats, like unemployment, inflation, stock market levels, value of the dollar versus foreign currencies, etc, which matched today's numbers, and asked the leading economists to comment on them, I suspect that they would claim that they were irreconcilable with one another, that they couldn't possibly represent factual data as numbers like that just couldn't all be right at the same time.

OCU

#15 | Posted by OCUser at 2024-03-14 01:39 PM | Reply

Too much money caused by COVID spending caused inflation to jump.

#2 | POSTED BY ONEIRONAUT

You mean Price Gouging.

If it were just too much money, corporations wouldn't have record profits.

#16 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-03-14 01:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Atlanta Fed President Bought Low and Sold High in 2020 as the Fed Bailed Out Wall Street; Then He Failed to Report those Trades

wallstreetonparade.com

Of particular note on the revised financial disclosure forms filed by Bostic are seven purchases made on March 19, 2020 and twelve purchases made between March 24-25, 2020. (See Schedule B, Transactions, on the financial disclosure form.) The purchases were made in various stock mutual funds just as stocks were putting in a bottom after the Dow Jones Industrial Average had lost more than 6,000 points. The trades were almost perfectly timed as the stock market took off like a rocket thereafter as the Fed announced one bailout program after another.

#17 | Posted by libs_of_dr at 2024-03-14 01:44 PM | Reply

Atlanta Fed President Bought Low and Sold High in 2020 as the Fed Bailed Out Wall Street

And since he is still President four years later I'd assume that was a nothingburger.

#18 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-03-14 01:55 PM | Reply

Too much money caused by COVID spending caused inflation to jump.

#2 | POSTED BY ONEIRONAUT

Is that why gas and food prices are still so high?

It does not have anything to do with a war in Europe ?

Are you sure comrade?

#19 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-03-14 02:07 PM | Reply

That idiot simply wants to blame democrats.

Doesn't matter what the thread is about.

#20 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-03-14 02:12 PM | Reply

And since he is still President four years later I'd assume that was a nothingburger.

#18 | Posted by REDIAL

It's a systemic nothing to see here burger.

#21 | Posted by libs_of_dr at 2024-03-14 02:31 PM | Reply

On Friday, Bostic released a seven-page statement in which he owned up to the following: failing to list a multitude of trades that were conducted on his behalf by trading firms on Wall Street over a period of five years; failing to properly report income on his assets on his financial disclosure forms; trading during blackout periods when trading was barred by the Federal Reserve; providing inaccurate values on his financial disclosure forms. The upshot was that Bostic had to restate his financial disclosure forms for the entire five-year period he has filed them at the Atlanta Fed , i.e., 2017 through 2021.

If a publicly-traded company had to restate its earnings and admit that it had lied to the American people for five straight years, you can bet that the CEO and CFO would be fired in short order by the Board of Directors. But the Board of the Atlanta Fed is sticking with Bostic " at least for now.

wallstreetonparade.com

#22 | Posted by libs_of_dr at 2024-03-14 02:39 PM | Reply

The Chairman of the Federal Reserve, Jerome Powell, has referred the matter to the Fed's Inspector General for an investigation. Unfortunately, that's not a genuinely arms-length investigation since the Fed's Inspector General reports to the Federal Reserve Board of Governors. The Fed's Inspector General is already investigating the trading conduct of at least two Fed officials: the former President of the Dallas Fed, Robert Kaplan, who traded in and out of S&P 500 futures contracts in lots of more than $1 million during the pandemic year of 2020; and the former President of the Boston Fed, Eric Rosengren, who traded Real Estate Investment Trusts and whose wife had a margin account with Citigroup, a mega bank supervised by the Fed. Both men resigned their posts when their improper trading conduct came to light.

#23 | Posted by libs_of_dr at 2024-03-14 02:44 PM | Reply

That idiot simply wants to blame democrats.
Doesn't matter what the thread is about.
#20 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

I am just stating the facts.

Your inner fear leads you to political protectionism.

#24 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-03-14 02:51 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Is that why gas and food prices are still so high?
It does not have anything to do with a war in Europe ?
Are you sure comrade?
#19 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

Very little.

Otherwise we would have seen an increase as the war started, cut back in sales when the war started.

But we saw inflation before the war started and little drop in sales.

#25 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-03-14 02:53 PM | Reply

You mean Price Gouging.
If it were just too much money, corporations wouldn't have record profits.
#16 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT

If there is inflation they would have record profits, that's what inflation means.

The price gouging is unsustainable because competition would lower prices to gain market share.

This is a dead end talking point for that reason.

#26 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-03-14 02:56 PM | Reply

yet here we are with price gouging continuing and food being overpriced.

so it isnt a talking point.

#27 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-03-14 03:01 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

price gouging is unsustainable

Seems to be sustainable.

You're too stupid to see it.

#28 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-03-14 03:05 PM | Reply

The price gouging is unsustainable because competition would lower prices to gain market share.

This is a dead end talking point for that reason.

#26 | Posted by oneironaut

/talking point 27,28

#29 | Posted by libs_of_dr at 2024-03-14 03:33 PM | Reply

"Otherwise we would have seen an increase as the war started, cut back in sales when the war started."

Gosh thank you for that astute analysis.

Others beg to differ-

As the second-largest oil producer and natural gas exporter, Russia's war with Ukraine has severely impacted the energy market.

Event analysis reveals that the Russia"Ukraine war and its subsequent events amplified the high-frequency fluctuation of crude oil prices, resulting in an increase of $37.14, or 52.33% (WTI), and $41.49, or 56.33% (Brent).

During the event window, the Russia"Ukraine war can account for 70.72% and 73.62% of the fluctuation in WTI and Brent crude oil prices, respectively. Furthermore, the war amplified oil price volatility and fundamentally altered the trend of crude oil prices.

But I guess your resources (that you don't provide) are telling you differently.

www.nature.com

#30 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-03-14 03:36 PM | Reply

#29 | POSTED BY LIBS_OF_DR

Too bad your posts aren't clever.

It's sad when troll are stupid and boring. But that's all you got.

#31 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-03-14 03:40 PM | Reply

I am just stating the facts.
#24 | POSTED BY 1LUMPER2

The next fact you post will be your first.

#32 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-03-14 03:42 PM | Reply

#15 OCUser

This is what people have been claiming about inflation numbers and employment numbers for some time.

The initial release seems all political, then the revisions months later are swept under the rug.

#33 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-03-14 04:33 PM | Reply

The next fact you post will be your first.
#32 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

Can you add anything to the conversation?

#34 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-03-14 04:34 PM | Reply

#33 | POSTED BY 1LUMPER2

You're an idiot.

There is no lack of supply fueling this inflation.

It's greed.

#35 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-03-14 04:35 PM | Reply

#14 | Posted by oneironaut

Talk about today and Post a useful link.

Fewer people were buying cars because they were not available period. Which also helped drive up the prices (Supply v Demand). I JUST talked to someone that works for a "subprime" auto lender about 5 minutes ago. Their business absolutely boomed under COVID and now they have laid off a lot of people and their repos are surging.

The COVID shortages are over. That was the main driver of inflation initially - shortages. The remaining shortages were mainly because of Chinese lock downs which are also now done. China ended their lock downs in end of January 2023 and by April inflation fell 30%. Global supply chain economics for you...

The "excess" money helped drive inflation as well not as much as you may hope. Evidence says most of it was transitory. And sorry but Excess money in the hands of consumers is and has been gone. March 2021 were the last stimulus checks - 3 years ago. It was spent or put into savings in 2021. Consumers drive the economy. Our business stimulus was spent long ago as well and talking to folks other business owners spent it long ago. Inflation peaked years ago too and we have been sitting just over 3% since the Chinese shortages ended.

Oil keeps being an issue and if you look where inflation is - again Housing and Energy are the main drivers. We are sitting at just over 3%. 2% was pre-COVID with very low interest and the "target". Long gone is the inflation you are talking about. Inflation in Housing is easy to tie to interest rates. My house would cost me about 50% a month more with today's interest rates and rents have even gone down slightly.

Our business costs for materials are down. We haven't lowered prices but we have increased discounts which amounts to the same thing. Our customers and end users are paying less than peak " not more. We would have lowered them more - if we weren't paying so much in interest. We sell to every major industry. But we are kind of an exception, if companies are leveraged to the hilt they are jacking their prices up. They have to and not because of competition.

The Fed was buying more and more securities to stablize the market. This puts money into the system.

The nonlinear jump in the Fed balance sheet is what is causing this inflation, as we are downstream of these purchases, it takes time to get through the system. On top of that you had an "supply chain" issues with JIT manufacturing. But these have been mostly resolved. The spiral of the US debt/fed interplay with the interest rate is a serious one. It can't be ignored.

The Fed has been doing quantitative tightening and selling securities since 6-22. Nearly 2 years. The balance sheet is down 1.3 trillion in that regard from $9 to $7.7 trillion. Past tense when inflation was sky high makes your observation plausible - but not the reality for almost 2 years now. So what is driving inflation TODAY? Corporate greed, Energy and Interest Rates.

The auto industry is about to implode. They jacked up prices so high and messed with customers so many are not buying. Even with great interest offers the prices are too high. People who bought in 2021, 2022, 2023 are so far upside down currently they won't be buying - they cannot take the financial hit. People I know who were buying a new car every year are now holding onto them. I am seeing prices on anything non-exotic, collector, rare in cars dropping like a stone right now.

#36 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2024-03-14 04:38 PM | Reply

The Fed is dangling a carrot in front of investors by saying that they are anticipating a rate cut come summer. Just like they're lying to you about DOL, just like they're lying to you about how many businesses will cease to exist with a long term interest rate like we have now (or higher probably). nearly every American business operates on debt. Just like every one of them can only expand with debt.

#37 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-03-14 04:49 PM | Reply

The Fed is dangling a carrot in front of investors by saying that they are anticipating a rate cut come summer. Just like they're lying to you about DOL, just like they're lying to you about how many businesses will cease to exist with a long term interest rate like we have now (or higher probably). nearly every American business operates on debt. Just like every one of them can only expand with debt.

#37 | Posted by lfthndthrds

Wow that's terrible! Who picked the head of the fed anyway? That person should be held accountable.

#38 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-03-14 05:04 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Wow that's terrible! Who picked the head of the fed anyway? That person should be held accountable.

#38 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-03-14 05:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

The bigger question is, who just turned in a &7.3 trillion dollar budget? If it gets passed, inflation isn't going anywhere. I also like how the simpleminded are taking up for their president by saiyng corporations are rigging prices. You voted for a dud, own it.

#39 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-03-14 05:09 PM | Reply

"nearly every American business operates on debt."

I guess that's why Republicans keep saying they want a government that is run like a business.

#40 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-14 05:10 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

It's sad when troll are stupid and boring. But that's all you got.

#31 | Posted by hugepartisangap

#41 | Posted by libs_of_dr at 2024-03-14 05:11 PM | Reply

"The auto industry is about to implode. They jacked up prices so high and messed with customers so many are not buying."

1. New Cars keep getting uglier every year.
2. There cylinder turbos that required a new flavor of oil to be invented are not reliable.
3. Putting remote start and heated seats into a monthly subscription package is not something any customer ever wanted, in this universe or any other timeline.

#42 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-14 05:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Trump added 8 trillion to the debt.

not one "conservative" here gives a crap.

#43 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-03-14 05:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#40 | Posted by snoofy

That IS the Trump model right? Run so far in debt you have to go to Russian Oligarchs to get bailed out...

#44 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2024-03-14 05:17 PM | Reply

The bigger question is, who just turned in a &7.3 trillion dollar budget? If it gets passed, inflation isn't going anywhere. I also like how the simpleminded are taking up for their president by saiyng corporations are rigging prices. You voted for a dud, own it.

#39 | Posted by lfthndthrds

I voted to save democracy. You want a king.

#45 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-03-14 07:45 PM | Reply

Trump added 8 trillion to the debt.

#43 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE AT 2024-03-14 05:16 PM | REPLY

Not without the help of your lackeys.

#46 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-03-14 08:30 PM | Reply

I must have said this a dozen times by now. TAX...THE...RICH... Raise the tax rate on the richest 3% (or so) in this country (those that own most of the large corporations) to say 90%, and watch how quickly inflation gets 'cured'.
It will be 'miraculous'.

Powell's solutions protect and insulate the rich. That's not going to check their greed...

#47 | Posted by earthmuse at 2024-03-14 08:41 PM | Reply

Not without the help of your lackeys.

#46 | Posted by lfthndthrds

Trump's debt is democrats fault. Just like the iraq war was dems fault. Totally.

#48 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-03-14 08:49 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Nice to see Biden finally got my memo on what to do with the economy...
Now to see if he can actually get enough votes to get it to pass...(unlikely).

Mostly he is likely doing this to stake out his position on the subject
for the election in Nov.

Not that ANY of the GOP will listen.

www.cnbc.com

#49 | Posted by earthmuse at 2024-03-15 01:54 PM | Reply

Nobody should listen to that fiscally irresponsible plan. Borrowing another $16 trillion over 10 years to go with the $34.5 trillion in outstanding debt, not including unfunded liabilities.

#50 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-03-15 02:05 PM | Reply

It's going to get ugly before it gets better. Yield curves inverted for an absurdly long time. M2 falling like it is for the first time since the Great Depression. Stocks are absurdly overvalued. The national debt hitting the point of no return. Housing market beginning to stagnate and both personal debt and repossessions are going for record highs. Virtually all jobs recently added are government jobs in one way or another, meaning they're recycled money out of our deficit spending and not contributing to actual growth, while the private sector is only adding part time jobs. Meanwhile the first rumbles of job losses are happening - tech, automotive, etc.

Housing, stock market, and everything else are essentially bubbles, and we've been kicking the can down the road for over a decade by now with artificially low interest rates. The correction will not be pretty.

#51 | Posted by zeropointnrg at 2024-03-15 02:33 PM | Reply

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