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Friday, February 02, 2024

SARS-CoV-2 is a bat sarbecovirus that emerged in Wuhan far from the hotspots of wildlife bat sarbecoviruses, in a city without bats, at the doorstep of the Wuhan Institute of Virology, the largest repository of bat sarbecoviruses in the world.

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The case for a lab origin is now clear enough that not only can we see the lab origin beyond reasonable doubt, but we are starting to accumulate evidence consistent with a cover-up, that this research-related accident was known to some who knew they funded the work, who knew they subcontracted the work, and who knew they did the work.

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"SARS-CoV-2 emerged in Wuhan with a furin cleavage site never before seen in a sarbecovirus. It needs to be emphasized that, to the best of our global knowledge, "sarbecovirus with furin cleavage site" did not exist in nature before 2020, but it did exist in a grant proposal to make something not found in nature, and that biological novelty was proposed to be made in Wuhan. The exact furin cleavage site found in SARS-CoV-2 is found in another protein, a protein called alpha-ENaC found in humans and studied heavily at the same university (UNC) as one of the PI's of DEFUSE."

Told thee.

#1 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2024-02-02 03:17 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

:Finally, and most importantly, the authors propose a specific location in the genome where they will insert these furin cleavage sites: the S1/S2 boundary, a narrow window in a 3,600 nucleotide gene, and SARS-CoV-2 has its furin cleavage site at exactly the location proposed in these grants."

Damning.

#2 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2024-02-02 03:56 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

fake news.....where's the proof it's fake news?

--"cause I said so...that's why "

says the leftist-dogma KLAN and it's surrogate slobbering propaganda jockies on the DR.

#3 | Posted by shrimptacodan at 2024-02-02 04:02 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

The exact furin cleavage site found in SARS-CoV-2 is found in another protein, a protein called alpha-ENaC found in humans and studied heavily at the same university (UNC) as one of the PI's of DEFUSE." #1 | Posted by HeliumRat

Sorry HeliumRat, my numerous Internet searches for "Furry Cleavage" produced no supportive evidence. Now if you excuse me, I'll be occupied for the next five minutes or so.

#4 | Posted by censored at 2024-02-02 04:07 PM | Reply | Funny: 4 | Newsworthy 1

The word is Furin. Some guy on Joe Rogan was talking about it and convincing Deplorables is was evidence of being man-made.

#5 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-02 04:26 PM | Reply

Regardless of the origin.

Just remember.

Ivermectin mixed hydroxychloroquine and a dash of bleach, will cure you.

#6 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-02-02 04:36 PM | Reply

"Furry Cleavage"

Try "Furry -----------------."

It's an Ohio specialty.

#7 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-02-02 04:39 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Brownstone Institute".

LOL!!!

Libertarian crackpottery.

#8 | Posted by Angrydad at 2024-02-02 05:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It's just a flu.
I wont wear a face diaper.
Ivermectin cures covid.
It's a lab grown attack from china.
Trump funded the vaccine, give him credit.
Vaccines are bad so i didnt get.
what day of the week is it?

-the very confused far right

#9 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-02-02 05:36 PM | Reply

The Brownstone Institute is a bunch of anti-vaxxers and Covid deniers founded by an advocate for tobacco and child labor.

www.importantcontext.news

#10 | Posted by rcade at 2024-02-02 08:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

When you can't deny the evidence, attack the source.

Libertarian = crazy, unlike the far left and it's racist zoonotic origin theory :)

As said John Stewart said, "A bat ------ a pangolin, and here we are".

(Really, you have to see John Stewart take-down on zoonotic origin on Stephen Colbert's show. I'll link you in minute).

#11 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2024-02-02 08:52 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Here we go:

www.youtube.com

#12 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2024-02-02 08:57 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

"When you can't deny the evidence, attack the source."

^
You can't deny the evidence that The Brownstone Institute is a bunch of anti-vaxxers and Covid deniers.

#13 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-02 09:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#13 | Posted by snoofy

John Stewart thinks you're a conspiracy theorist. See #12.

#14 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2024-02-02 09:06 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"John Stewart thinks you're a conspiracy theorist. See #12."

LOL. In your words, what's the conspiracy.

#15 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-02 09:15 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Alex Washburne and the skidmark institute LOL

You have to be a complete idiot to believe either of them.

Oh wait, it's heliumrat.

#16 | Posted by jpw at 2024-02-02 09:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

while those of us independent subject matter experts could see this from the beginning

LOL stopped reading right there.

That ------- is anything but an expert and was constantly very very wrong the entire time.

Garbage thread.

#17 | Posted by jpw at 2024-02-02 09:55 PM | Reply

You can't deny the evidence that The Brownstone Institute is a bunch of anti-vaxxers and Covid deniers.

#13 | Posted by snoofy

Who have been pushing the same BS for the entire pandemic.

They, including Washburne, have been desperate to find any evidence whatsoever to support the conclusion they reached prior to data being available.

When data wasn't available because they don't actually do any actual science, they use the age old tactic common to climate change denial of nitpicking every study supporting zoonosis and claiming that their whine fests amounted to debunking the paper and, therefore, the entire topic.

#18 | Posted by jpw at 2024-02-02 10:14 PM | Reply

Alien lab origin?

#19 | Posted by Zed at 2024-02-03 07:43 AM | Reply

I sense Taylor Swift at the bottom of this.

#20 | Posted by Zed at 2024-02-03 07:51 AM | Reply

Alex Washburne is a mathematical biologist and the founder and chief scientist at Selva Analytics.
Believe the scientists. No, not those scientists.

Do you believe in Science?

Anne Frank was a Belieber.

#21 | Posted by sentinel at 2024-02-03 09:06 AM | Reply

"Really, you have to see John Stewart take-down on zoonotic origin on Stephen Colbert's show."

To be fair, Stewart is playing devil's advocate here, with a dash of irony. He and Colbert are a great double act, but it's hard to suss out what Stewart's personal views are based solely on that, because he plays it so straight, but he also had a brief line where he dismissed what Colbert said because they were "facts and logic".

#22 | Posted by sentinel at 2024-02-03 09:17 AM | Reply

"Just remember.
Ivermectin mixed hydroxychloroquine and a dash of bleach, will cure you."

Said no one ever.

#23 | Posted by sentinel at 2024-02-03 09:19 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Said no one ever.

#23 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

What was said was pretty much exactly that.

#24 | Posted by Zed at 2024-02-03 09:41 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If you actually believe that then you should be demanding a criminal investigation and calling for whoever said it to be indicted.

Cuz it's not like the energy and focus is already being spread too thin.

#25 | Posted by sentinel at 2024-02-03 10:39 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

If you actually believe that

#25 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

I lived that.

And some (MAGA) people never understand why MAGA is treated with contempt.

#26 | Posted by Zed at 2024-02-03 10:52 AM | Reply

What Joe Rogan Has Said Defending Ivermectin as Drug Is Ruled Ineffective
www.newsweek.com

#27 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-03 10:54 AM | Reply

When you can't deny the evidence, attack the source.

There is no evidence. Sources like Brownstone don't present science to back up their malarkey because the science doesn't support their agenda.

#28 | Posted by rcade at 2024-02-03 10:54 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I lived that.
And some (MAGA) people never understand why MAGA is treated with contempt."

Like I said, if it's so obvious then drop everything and go chasing after that. It sounds like someone's in big trouble.

#29 | Posted by sentinel at 2024-02-03 11:28 AM | Reply

Like I said, if it's so obvious then drop everything and go chasing after that.

#29 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

How about: "It's so obvious as to induce a state of boredom"?

#30 | Posted by Zed at 2024-02-03 11:33 AM | Reply

Straw men are boring.

#31 | Posted by sentinel at 2024-02-03 11:44 AM | Reply

Straw men are boring.

#31 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

How about straw viruses?

#32 | Posted by Zed at 2024-02-03 11:57 AM | Reply

I don't think you meant to imply that the virus was a hoax, but you just did. That's how clever you are.

#33 | Posted by sentinel at 2024-02-03 12:19 PM | Reply

@#10 ... The Brownstone Institute is a bunch of anti-vaxxers and Covid deniers founded by an advocate for tobacco and child labor. ...

From their About page...

About Brownstone Institute
brownstone.org

... The motive force of Brownstone Institute was the global crisis created by policy responses to the Covid-19 pandemic of 2020. That trauma revealed a fundamental misunderstanding alive in all countries around the world today, a willingness on the part of the public and officials to relinquish freedom and fundamental human rights in the name of managing a public health crisis, which was not managed well in most countries. The consequences were devastating and will live in infamy. ...



#34 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-02-03 02:12 PM | Reply

"a willingness on the part of the public and officials to relinquish freedom and fundamental human rights in the name of managing a public health crisis"

Oh like a quarantine.

Imagine thinking that's the wrong thing to do.

#35 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-03 02:23 PM | Reply

Oh like a quarantine.

Nothing a trucker convoy can't fix.

#36 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-02-03 02:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Is this the first time quarantine and case tracking used during a public health crisis or pandemic?
With public health departments gutted case tracking is not being done and we are seeing a resurgence in diseases previously will controlled.

#37 | Posted by mattm at 2024-02-03 02:47 PM | Reply

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#2 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2024-02-02 03:56 PM
Finally, and most importantly, the authors propose a specific location in the genome where they will insert these furin cleavage sites: the S1/S2 boundary, a narrow window in a 3,600 nucleotide gene, and SARS-CoV-2 has its furin cleavage site at exactly the location proposed in these grants."

Damning.

Not "damning" - debunked as "evidence" of "man-made" long time ago - many sources on the Web:

pubs.asahq.org - COVID Gets Complicated
Variant soup | Quasispecies | S-protein/mRNA nuclear translocation | Amyloidogenesis of spike protein | In the Know | Volume 87, Issue 1 - January 2023

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... "This finding may explain, at least in part, the extraordinary rapid worldwide turnover of variants of concern that use the plasma membrane fusion pathway to enter into target cells over the original pandemic strain."

S-protein/mRNA nuclear translocation

A recent preprint from researchers at the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases described a feature of SARS-CoV-2 unique among betacoronaviruses: the spike protein of SARS-CoV-2, along with its corresponding mRNA, can translocate to the cellular nucleus in infected airway epithelial cells (bioRxiv 2022:2022.09.27.509633). In SARS-CoV-2, the peptide sequence "P-R-R-A-R-S-V" constitutes a nuclear localization signal, a sequence that includes the so-called "furin cleavage site." This polybasic cleavage site was initially thought to be unique to SARS-CoV-2, and possibly evidence of human genomic engineering. It has since been identified in other coronaviruses (ASA Monitor 2021:85:1-6). It is possible that the translocation of the spike protein contributes to the uniquely rapid evolution and development of immune evasion by SARS-CoV-2. ...
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www.nature.com - The furin cleavage site in the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein is required for transmission in ferrets - Nature, 2021-04-27

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SARS-CoV-2 entry requires sequential cleavage of the spike glycoprotein at the S1/S2 and the S2' cleavage sites to mediate membrane fusion. SARS-CoV-2 has a polybasic insertion (PRRAR) at the S1/S2 cleavage site that can be cleaved by furin. ...
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Pick better sources than the ones that keep rehashing debunked information from years ago.
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#38 | Posted by CutiePie at 2024-02-04 05:03 AM | Reply

When you can't deny the evidence, attack the source. #11 | POSTED BY HELIUMRAT

When you have no evidence you avoid peer reviewed scientific journals and you rely on conspiratorial minded outlets like this one that present themselves with an air of academic authority.

The truth is your they are no more deserving of trust than say OAN or Fox News. They receive their financial backing from many of the same far right misinformation financiers who have pushed false claims involving ivermectin and the lie linking vaccinations to autism.

You want your posts on this matter to be taken seriously? Find researchers who practice the well established scientific process and not conmen who avoid scrutiny from their peers.

#39 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2024-02-04 10:21 AM | Reply

"When you can't deny the evidence, attack the source."

Great! Now do the Steele Dossier.

#40 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-02-04 11:18 AM | Reply

I'm going to ask you idiot ----- one more time.

Let's just say your wildest dreams came true and this "lab leak" thing was proven tomorrow..

Now what?????

What's next?

Do we stop studying and figuring out how to combat infectious diseases in labs immediately?

Tell me what's next?

I'm anxious to hear your retarded, mouth breathing, idiot ---- responses.

#41 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2024-02-04 10:57 PM | Reply

I love you. No joke.

#42 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-02-04 11:04 PM | Reply

I'm anxious to hear your retarded, mouth breathing, idiot ---- responses.
#41 | POSTED BY TRES_FLECHAS

DR in a nutshell.

#43 | Posted by Dbt2 at 2024-02-04 11:52 PM | Reply

I can't keep up with the those on the left heres stance on this...

If the evidence is pretty damning they go with "but what does it matter what the origin was".

Then you get shady evidence, and it's then they go back to shooting down that it was a manufactured virus from wuhan.

So what is the official line... this was or was not more than likely manufactured in Wuhan? and do we or don't we actually care about that?

#44 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2024-02-05 12:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Coronaviruses have been around for thousands of years. Some human coronaviruses are common, some have caused pandemics such as COVID-19, SARS and MERS.

It's likely natural.

#45 | Posted by Derek_Wildstar at 2024-02-05 01:26 PM | Reply

So what is the official line... this was or was not more than likely manufactured in Wuhan? and do we or don't we actually care about that?
#44 | POSTED BY KWRX25

I don't know what you mean by the "official line". You seem to be conflating several questions.
Does it matter to patients and the care providers? Not really. Lab created or not doesn't change the public health response and some people try to use the question as a distraction from that.

From a scientific perspective it is a very interesting question and worthy of research. Unfortunately some researchers have been exposed as having political motives for releasing reports without following the well-established method which subjects their findings to the heavy scrutiny of others in their field.

#46 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2024-02-05 02:15 PM | Reply

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