"Over the same period in New York there were 141 homicides - 61 more than London." Thanks, I was remembering an article I saw earlier that said elsewise. I take your correction.
You know, you do nothing for straight out discussion by calling or inferring by the use of labels, like "Trumper". If you are all about trolling people rather than having an honest discussion, then go for it.
I want the killing of kids and others to stop as well, but so far I am not seeing solutions besides taking guns away from law abiding citizens. That is a very difficult course of action that will create a whole new set of problems.
And I think Mr. Orwell's quotes still stands. The state can always go south on its citizens, and what recourse will they have if such occurs? We have seen the state murder its citizens before.
"The balance of power is the scale of peace. The same balance would be preserved were all the world not destitute of arms, for all would be alike; but since some will not, others dare not lay them aside ... Horrid mischief would ensue were one half the world deprived of the use of them ... the weak will become prey to the strong." - Thomas Paine
I think it perfectly valid for someone to have a gun for self protection, if they have reason to fear for themselves or their families.