Left over Bill Clinton turd. Why do the Dems want open borders so badly? They must love all the misery and rapes of kids by the smugglers because they would take action otherwise. Sad day for America.

#3 | POSTED BY IRAGOLDBERG AT 2019-12-10 11:10 PM | REPLY

Wait a minute. Trump told us it's the "Democrats' law" that requires him to kids in cages. We also know that Obama deported more people than Trump has.

How can this all be true if Democrats are, as you say, in favor of open borders?

Are you just making crap up, again?

To all of the people who say Democrats should wait to impeach until they sway Republican opinion, I ask you: If Trump's defrauding of students of his fake "university" to the tune of $25 million and donors to his fake "charity" to the tune of $2 million hasn't turned any of his disciples against him, do you honestly believe some more nuanced and developed explanation of Trump's violation of his oath of office in the Ukraine affair will?

Get serious. Trump is beneath the dignity of the office his holds. He deserves to be removed. You know it. Republican Senators know it. You should do the right thing and support removing this fraud if you are really the superpatriots you hold yourselves out to be.

No surprise to me, though. I expected you schitheaps to misrepresent it just as you did and do the Mueller report.

#321 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2019-12-10 03:48 PM | REPLY | FLAG

From "total exoneration" to "attempted coup."

Both are complete lies.

FYI: The less daylight there is between Barr and Durham, the less Democrats will trust any report Durham comes up with.

#313 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY AT 2019-12-10 03:32 PM | REPLY

.... and then there's the touchy subject about Trump suggesting Giuliani is basically Barr's co-counsel during his perfect call with Zelenskiy.

I often voted Republican before the party became the party of W, Sarah Palin, and (even worse) Trump. I honestly believe if I were a sitting US Senator even during my Republican "phase" I would have voted to remove a Republican president who obstructed Congress the way Trump has.

Nixon had more respect for the Constitution, the rule of law, and American political traditions than Trump has. Trump loyalists are not conservatives. They are conspiratorialists and cynics. Some are nihilists.

#271

Your conclusions are completely contrary to the conclusions in the IG report. There was no political motivation in the "oringes" of the investigation; no effort to overturn the election. Saying otherwise 10,000 times won't make it true.

The best thing that may come of this investigation is the newly found interest of Trumpers in the rights of the accused and their concern for abuse of process by law enforcement.

The other members of Black Lives Matter welcome you into their movement and look forward to you taking a knee with them during the national anthem this Sunday.

Ira,

That's goofy. Google it. Just seven days ago there were multiple reports of Trump himself saying the IG report would be devastating. I'm sure he was getting this "information" during his nightly pillow talk with Hannity.

This is hilarious. Dolt 45's cult has been telling us for months on end how DEVASTATING this IG report was going to be in exposing the Deep State's attempted coup.

But, it didn't do that.

So, the goalpost has moved. Now we have to wait until the REAL investigation is completed by Durham.

Where will they go after the Durham investigation makes them look like dupes again? I'd invite them back to reality, but I don't think they'll take the invitation.

No. I also allow for the possibility that Strzok and Page checked their own personal biases at the door and didn't allow it to influence their work.

#102 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2019-12-09 04:58 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

It happens every day among career professionals in the United States government; i.e., those people constantly mocked by Republicans for being "faceless, unelected, bureaucrats."

Meanwhile, our elected public officials are still pretending there is such a thing as a "perfect phone call."

Strzok and Page were heavily involved in Crossfire Hurricane and they had an extremely intense negative bias against Trump and his campaign.
That's why Mueller promptly removed them from his team when he learned of the content of their text messages.

#89 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2019-12-09 04:48 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

All of this amounts to nothing, except to show that Robert Mueller ran a tight ship in his investigation (which, according to Mueller, expressly did not exonerate the liar in the Oval Office).

Lisa Page said Trump is an "idiot" and a "douche." Truth is an absolute defense.

Do you think the FBI is a hotbed of left-wing radicalism? Seriously?

That's my key takeaway. You are the only lefty on this thread who understands that this actually matters.

#85 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2019-12-09 04:45 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

I think others are focused more specifically on the IG's conclusions because they completely destroy the Hannity, Limbaugh, Trump nonsense about a Deep State conspiracy.

Also, I think people on the political left are quite aware of the potential abuse from law enforcement. It's the right that usually prides itself on backing "the Blue" and giving law enforcement the benefit of the doubt, perhaps too often.

The whole "insurance policy" narrative and the "Lisa, Lisa .... I love you Lisa" rally speech from Trump are total b.s.

Did you read the executive summary? Adequately predicated means they had proper means to launch an investigation. They still have rules, laws and guidelines that give guidance as to what they can and cannot do in terms of how they conduct their investigation. Just because they had the green light doesn't mean they can improperly obtain FISA warrants, which they clearly did. Believe it or not, that is a huge problem.

#69 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2019-12-09 04:32 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Did you read the executive summary? Adequately predicated means they had proper means to launch an investigation.

#69 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2019-12-09 04:32 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Yes ... and they lacked a political motive which is exactly the opposite of what Trump has been saying for years. This was not a "Deep State" coup to "overthrow an election."

Of course there can be issues related to abuse of process. That doesn't mean this was a coup. Trump is full of it.

I meant to say counterintelligence investigation, not warrants. But, you get the point.

The report shows that the investigation itself was adequately predicated therefore the FBI's and DOJ's conduct doesn't matter. Let us completely ignore all of the malfeasance the report lays out.

#51 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2019-12-09 04:14 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Adequately predicated means in compliance with the law and in accordance with DOJ and FBI policies. There is a low threshold requirement for these warrants. How many Republicans thought this law was a great idea to "keep us safe" in the War on Terror? How many similar laws have been in place to fight the War on Drugs (to the serious detriment of racial minority groups)?

This is a bit like when Democrats complain about "tax loopholes" that benefit the filthy rich and Republicans rightly point out that "loopholes" are just the law and the filthy rich are just doing what the law permits. If the investigation was adequately predicated, it was adequately predicated. Trump loses that argument outright.

Well, as a lefty (I regard you as center-left) you appear to be alone on this thread.

#43 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2019-12-09 04:03 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Another thing that I think is interesting about this is that Trump has been saying that it's those "at the top" of the FBI, DOJ, etc., who are the problem because of political motive and the "rank and file" are doing a great job. Well, Horowitz's report tends to show Trump was wrong. It looks like a "rank and file" lawyer may have been the problem in the process and had no political motive.

Actually, I'm guessing that he does but doesn't care due to who was being targeted and who was doing the targeting.

#31 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2019-12-09 03:50 PM | FLAG:

I have no idea. But, I'm willing to accept the conclusions. Trump and his ardent supporters clearly or not. I'm also in full support of disciplining and/or prosecuting anyone who violated the law or abused the process in obtaining the initial warrant and any of the renewals. I'm opposed to overreach by law enforcement at any level, not just when it happens to rich and powerful white men like Trump.

"America is respected around the world like never before!!!"

--- The D'oh-Tard!

Mueller said he could not exonerate Trump. Trump said Mueller totally exonerated him The IG concludes there was no political bias in the "oringes" of the Russia investigation. Trump says it was an attempted coup. This would all be humorous but for the fact Trump's cult believes every word he says.

The smarter ones will move on to the next conspiracy theory. Because they have zero morals, values or standards.

#1 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2019-12-09 01:59 PM | REPLY

They know the Durham investigation is also going to be a big nothingberder for them. That's why Rudy is out there doing his own half-baked investigation with ------- Barr in tow.
Somebody's gotta do something to keep the boss happy!

Donald could help solve this serious problem and prove his conservative bona fides by installing outhouses at all Trump properties. I'm so sick of millennials thinking they are "entitled" to extravagances like indoor plumbing and running water.

Anyone who owns golf courses isn't worried about water waste.
Plus most of us don't have to flush a bucket of KFC every time we drop a deuce.

#63 | POSTED BY AVIGDORE AT 2019-12-05 01:47 PM | REPLY |

Defrauding a public charity isn't a concern of yours?

Why not?

So literally the only thing that would be impeachable is lying under oath to a federal grand jury, but Trump will never testify, so he is never impeachable? What a riot.

#5 | POSTED BY JUSTAGIRL_IDAHO AT 2019-12-04 05:18 PM | REPLY

Trump committed perjury in his interrogatory answers provided in the Mueller investigation. Perjury only matters when Democrats commit it.