If Shokin had anything on the Bidens, don't you think Nunes would have gotten it?

If Nunes had gotten it, don't you think he would have used it?

He didn't get it, so he told people it was there anyway. This is the definition of slime. No doubt, Repubs will cry "Nothing wrong here!" Under their party's standards, I guess they'd be right.

"Micro-management"?

Occasionally, there are times when the president of a large company, who himself has vast prior experience in lower-level management of a particular sub-unit therein, just has to step in down there to correct the errant decision of that sub-unit's management. Particularly if that company president is a stable genius with unmatched wisdom.

U.S. Code 201(b)(2)(A):
(b) Whoever"
(2) being a public official ... [i.e., an officer or ... person acting for or on behalf of the United States] ... directly or indirectly, corruptly ... seeks ... anything of value personally ... in return for:
(A) being influenced in the performance of any official act ... shall be fined under this title ... or imprisoned for not more than fifteen years, or both, and may be disqualified from holding any office of honor, trust, or profit under the United States.

The key word above is: "seeks." No requirement of agreed quid pro quo. No requirement of an agreement at all. If the public official even just "seeks" any thing of value personally in exchange for an official act, the other person could immediately and loudly refuse and the public official would still be in violation of U.S. Code 201(b)(2)(A).

"Congress need not constrain itself to the narrow definition of bribery stated in the statute."

Sure, that's true, too. I'm only pointing out that U.S. Code 201(b)(2)(A) bribery statute is not narrow. If a public official even just "seeks" a bribe from someone, and that someone immediately rejects the idea, that public figure has already violated the bribery statute and committed a crime - - just seeking the bribe. ... Like Trump did. No "quid pro quo" needed.

U.S. Code 201(b)(2)(A) - - entitled "bribery" - - specifically makes it a crime for a public official even to just "seek" a bribe.

,,, I view this guy Neumann as the next Donald Trump on steroids. That's what I wrote because that's how he impresses me. Argue. Or block it if you can't figure out how to argue. But please don't put my name on YOUR composition. Thanks.

I can't be the first one, can I? Has this been going on all along at this website? If so, how do we know who is saying what here?

Wow! I posted this thread, and SOMEBODY tampered with it. I wonder why?

The headline I posted was "The NEXT Donald Trump - - on steroids" SOMEBODY changed it. I wonder why?

I summarized the article as "Mr. Neumann ... has said he wants to become the world's first trillionaire and president of the world' " ... has said he wants to become the world's first trillionaire and president of the world' " But SOMEBODY changed it completely. I wonder why?

I added a short comment: "What hath God wrought?" That is entirely missing. I wonder why?

What's going on with this website??

Wow! I posted this thread, and SOMEBODY tampered with it. I wonder why?

The headline I posted was "The NEXT Donald Trump - - on steroids" SOMEBODY changed it. I wonder why?

I summarized the article as "Mr. Neumann ... has said he wants to become the world's first trillionaire and president of the world' " ... has said he wants to become the world's first trillionaire and president of the world' " But SOMEBODY changed it completely. I wonder why?

I added a short comment: "What hath God wrought?" That is entirely missing. I wonder why?

What's going on with this website??

Putin, if you're listening, it's looking like American democracy is surely and steadily prevailing over your destructive efforts and your puppet Trump. Perhaps it's time to go public with exactly what you have on Trump - - namely the details of how you engineered his election in 2016. America will look bad because you were able to crack our democratic election system, and the World will look upon you as a political genius.

Namecalling expresses passion. But it does not persuade.

If you have the law, you argue the law. If you don't have the law, you argue the facts. If you don't have the law or the facts, you pound on the table and yell "Process!"

Avigdore, if investigating Trump's political opponent's son was not going to contribute to Trump's campaign, do you really suppose Trump solicited that particular investigation specifically out of the goodness (choke) of his heart?? ... Perhaps you believe Trump gives a hoot about general corruption in the Ukraine?? Really?? You do??

Somebody please show me wherein the 52 USC 30121 election law requires, or even mentions, a quid pro quo type requirement. Nowhere. That's like saying soliciting a guy to murder someone for money isn't really a crime unless the guy agrees to do it.

Somebody please show me wherein the 52 USC 30121 election law requires, or even mentions, a quid pro quo type requirement. Nowhere. That's like saying soliciting a guy to murder someone for money isn't really a crime unless the guy agrees to do it.

Avigdore, Under the applicable US Code section, Trump only had to solicit a contribution of "a thing of value" to his campaign. Certainly, an investigation of Biden for Trump by Kelensky was a thing of value to Trump's campaign - - that's why he solicited it.

Your Bill Gates example is not an election law violation because (1) you don't have Trump soliciting it, and (2) Gates isn't a foreign national.

A society grows great when it's elders plant trees in the shade of which they know they will never sit. -Greek

How far should we take this?

"Sorry, kids, you must quit your overseas careers. I'm going to run for Vice President." -or- "I've been offered a position in the State Department."

"Sorry, Dad. We've worked hard to build our careers, we can't just walk away from them."

"Well, I guess I can't run (or take the job), then."

Are we going to apply this to nephews and nieces, too? Grandkids? Cousins? Cousins-in-law? Sons-in-law?

What about Kushner and Ivanka? Kushner supposedly is going to solve the Middle East problems.