The problem with Cheney is that if he and the Bush WH weren't incompetent and negligent 9/11 wouldn't have happened...

In THIS PC administration, many very capable leaders have been relieved or voluntarily retired.

#54 | POSTED BY JESTGETTINALONG AT 2013-06-16 01:16 PM | REPLY | FLAG

1. Saying that the administration is "PC" is dopey.

2. There aren't any real capable leaders in the military for the reasons I've already spelled out. General Marshall wouldn't be impressed with today's top brass.

RE #10 - Not talking about rich, I was talking about poor people have more kids than middle class or rich people. This is post isn't about so-called corporate welfare. Frankly, at least corporate welfare produces something of value. Have none of you even rode the bus in an inner city? Welfare queens and kings exist

BTW - nice deflection, common tactic on this website to avoid talking about the issue.

#12 | POSTED BY DANV AT 2013-06-16 09:03 PM | REPLY | FLAG

This thread is about how the country now has more white people dying than white folks being born...

You're the one conflating and deflecting by using a common right wing talking point about so-called welfare queens etc., with the fact that the country is getting browner... something that I would guess you don't like.

The issue is that the GOP can no longer win general elections by solely relying on the white male vote, making conservatives choose between either having to moderate their far right racist rhetoric or become a fringe political entity.

You are living in a fantasy land if don't know that many, many poor people abuse the system, and that includes having children just for money. Why don't you go spend time in poor neighborhoods, no everyone is a crook, but a lot of them are. Naive liberals

#8 | POSTED BY DANV AT 2013-06-16 07:07 PM | REPLY | FLAG

The exact same thing is easily said about the rich, who pay for lobbyists to buy off politicians to change laws that allowed them free money via things like tax loopholes and Bush Tax Cuts... free money that ISN'T used for creating jobs...

Naive conservatives.

first part states that the first one in a debate that uses a hitler or nazi reference automatically loses that debate...

ARG>.its WORSE THAN I THOUGHT....

its godwins's LAW !!!!!

knowyourmeme.com

#38 | POSTED BY AFKABL2 AT 2013-06-15 08:30 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

So the Tea Party fringe are just all a bunch of hypocrites? I agree...

Glad you finally came around!

... until there is a stronger leader in the White House.

Kind of funny that as Palin was saying that Bin Laden was palling around with Allah.

Obama got Osama... that's what I call strong leadership.

Maybe Obama spied on his own Christian Church????

If the following officers want to be promoted they will listen to the Presidents demands.

#48 | POSTED BY ZACK991 AT 2013-06-15 08:05 PM | REPLY | FLAG

The quality of our general officers is sorely lacking... Thomas Ricks wrote a recent book about how today's highest ranking officers reek with careerism, as compared to doing the right thing or even being punished for mediocrity. And it's been that way since the Korean War where officers got their "ticket punched" for doing x-number of days in a front line unit, etc....

So any implication that Obama has some uniquely sinister sway over today's top brass is simply not accurate.

Who's "Godwin"????

You're a military legal expert now?

#34 | POSTED BY ET_AL AT 2013-06-15 07:21 PM | REPLY | FLAG

Are you a military attorney? If so, for how long?

... just wondering...

Rcade... okay, I'm done - no problem.

if = of

I highly suggest you don't attempt along with others to modify history through revisionism. Hitler like Mussolini had early socialistic roots.

#22 | POSTED BY MATSOP AT 2013-06-15 04:57 PM | FLAG:

That documentary clearly spells out the political landscape in Germany after WWI. The Nazis were Nationalists first, and it clearly explains how the Nazis were to the RIGHT if traditional conservatives.

If you want to complain, complain to the BBC - they made it.

Should be the least of your concern in the grand scheme of things.
I think you'd better pick a different comparison because the illegal immigrant argument isn't working for you.

#126 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2013-06-15 06:26 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Hold illegal immigrants accountable cuz their ALL criminals, but let Nazis slide because of the big picture????

I would say your argument isn't working for you.

Do you know how much better it would make my life if I robbed a bank? Just one, and I won't even take all the money. Just what I need to cover a few things that are most problematic.

Otherwise, I'm an upstanding citizen who doesn't break the law. Otherwise.

#115 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2013-06-15 06:10 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

You're now equating migrant fruit workers to back robbers...

Nazis entering the country illegally are just a little bit more of a moral problem that migrant fruit workers entering the country illegally, dont'cha think?

The definitions of the words you're using, correctly mind you, put a rigid meaning on what you're saying.

Illegal activity, regardless of how good the intentions when committing it, makes on criminal. Period.

#109 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2013-06-15 06:01 PM | REPLY | FLAG

Hard working illegal immigrants are criminals on paper, but that's as far as it goes. There are such things as bad laws.

I would like to think the bar is just a little higher when it comes to Nazis entering our country illegally.

Is your lust for blood that strong that reasoning escapes you?

#107 | POSTED BY GOATMAN AT 2013-06-15 05:57 PM | REPLY | FLAG

Is your squishy acquiescence toward law and order now part of your adherence to liberalism?

So illegal immigrants, in your own words, aren't criminals? Is there an alternative definition of illegal I'm unaware of?
And I at least openly stated, multiple times, I see no problem shipping him off to a court with the proper jurisdiction.

#103 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2013-06-15 05:42 PM | REPLY | FLAG

Most illegal immigrants are simple people who enter the country simply looking for a better way of life. They're hard working in order to provide for themselves and their families. So stop trying to put a rigid stamp on what I'm saying.

Also, great, you want him tried in court. We agree.

I've been glad to see Nazis hunted down for their war crimes, but enough time has passed that it's time to approach it differently.

There's not much chance a 94-year-old could get a fair trial for war crimes that happened over 65 years ago.

Instead of going through the long process of punishing him, which he might not survive long enough to complete, he should be granted amnesty in exchange for a full accounting of his wartime activities.

#98 | POSTED BY RCADE AT 2013-06-15 05:16 PM | REPLY | FLAG

Considering the unprecedented levels of human suffering caused by Nazis, is there ever too late a time to bring justice to these guys?

Hundreds of thousands of Nazi perpetrators escaped or went on to live normal lives. The very least we can do is bring Nazis to trial for the sake of their victims AND for those who fought and died fighting them.

Uh oh. Looks like we have yet another nazi sympathizer

#99 | POSTED BY GOATMAN AT 2013-06-15 05:22 PM | REPLY | FLAG

Rcade doesn't call illegal immigrants "criminals" while looking past a Nazi who entered the country illegally.

The Navy judge is being ridiculous. As the defense attorney is saying in the article, this has been rejected before.

The Nazis, A Warning From History

SECOND!

@ JPW

You can pseudo intellectualize all you want, but your just being ridiculous.

I'm around WWII vets everday. If i chimed in with a "hey those nazis deserved a fair shake" whenever they tell me stories about their experiences I doubt they'd be amused.

^ tell your wife to read blink by Malcolm Gladwell...

Doesn't take a whole lot of effort to know a Nazi responsible for death and destruction when you see one... [...]