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you can buy buckets full of nicotine lozenges or gum at your local drug store.
It probably offers the same rate of smoking cessation as e cigarettes.

#15 | Posted by Badcat at 2014-03-25 02:14 PM

That would be true if nicotine were the only factor in cigarette addiction. It is not. There is also a strong physical and psychological component to the addiction and I would hazard to say that this is the major culprit in relapsing for those that had quit cigarettes.

Talk to any smoker that has quit and they will tell you about the problems with not having anything to do with their hands after they quit. There is also the feel of the lungs being filled which, for long-time smokers, has the a calming and relief effect.

Upon quitting smoking the chemical addiction is actually kicked in about 7 to 10 days. It is the psychological addiction that will suck them back in later.

E-cigs provide all the satisfaction of the psychological aspects which nicotine gum and patches do not making the e-cig much more effective.

I tried for years to quit tobacco cigarettes for many years and I tried ALL the methods, cold-turkey, gum, patches, medication... nothing worked. I would find myself still fighting the craving only to eventually give in after a short period of time. Yes, my willpower isn't the greatest in this regard.

About a month ago, my woman (never smoked a day in her life and nose like a bloodhound) bought me a vaporizer (e-cig). It had the no-nicotine juice in it. I found it fulfilled the psychological craving, but still left me wanting the nicotine. So I went out and got a couple vials of juice, one chocolate flavored with 18mg nicotine, and one black cherry with 18mg nicotine. I mixed them for a chocolate covered cherry flavor which I found very pleasant. Together they offer about 24mg of nicotine with each vial lasing about as long as 5 packs of cigarettes for just under $5.

For the last 32 years I have had a 1 pack a day smoking habit. The first two days on the vaporizer I smoked about half a pack mainly as my body adjusted to the lower nicotine levels. 5 cigarettes (while the vaporizer was charging) on the third day. Buying a second vaporizer to use while the other was charging solved this issue and by the 4th day I was off tobacco cigarettes altogether. In addition it makes my woman happy because my clothes, body, and breath don't constantly smell of old stale smoke. My sinuses and lungs have definitely started recovery.

Next month I will get the same flavors in a lower nicotine dose. The next month I will lower it further, and so on till I eventually reach the 0mg nicotine level. Then I will work on kicking the psychological addiction. However, if I should ever feel the need to relapse I know where to go to keep it at the psychological level and keep the tar, carcinogens, and other harmful and addicting chemicals out of my body.

Unless of course some idiot regulate it into such a hassle and high price that cigarettes are less expensive. Considering I can get Clipper cigars around here for $1.25 a pack, the vials of juice for the vaporizer are cheaper, but barely. Heavy regulation and government tampering will reverse this. This would be a very bad thing.

As a bit more context... There is the story of Philemon and Onesimus.

Philemon was a Roman slave owner, and Onesimus was his slave. Onesimus was treated with great respect by Philemon, but a slave he remained. Onesimus converted to Christianity and became very close to the apostle Paul. So close in fact that Paul later refers to him as his son. Later Philemon converts to Christianity.

Here are the words of Paul to a slave owner, Philemon: (From Philemon 1: 8 - 21

8 Therefore, although in Christ I could be bold and order you to do what you ought to do, 9 yet I prefer to appeal to you on the basis of love. It is as none other than Paul -- an old man and now also a prisoner of Christ Jesus -- 10 that I appeal to you for my son Onesimus,[b] who became my son while I was in chains. 11 Formerly he was useless to you, but now he has become useful both to you and to me.

12 I am sending him -- who is my very heart -- back to you. 13 I would have liked to keep him with me so that he could take your place in helping me while I am in chains for the gospel. 14 But I did not want to do anything without your consent, so that any favor you do would not seem forced but would be voluntary. 15 Perhaps the reason he was separated from you for a little while was that you might have him back forever -- 16 no longer as a slave, but better than a slave, as a dear brother. He is very dear to me but even dearer to you, both as a fellow man and as a brother in the Lord.

17 So if you consider me a partner, welcome him as you would welcome me. 18 If he has done you any wrong or owes you anything, charge it to me. 19 I, Paul, am writing this with my own hand. I will pay it back -- not to mention that you owe me your very self. 20 I do wish, brother, that I may have some benefit from you in the Lord; refresh my heart in Christ. 21 Confident of your obedience, I write to you, knowing that you will do even more than I ask.


Notice he asks Philemon to basically free Onesimus and treat him as he would Paul himself. He says he could order him in Christ to do so, but would rather that he do it out of love instead. So apparently slave owning wasn't really considered a Christian principle.

The bible did not require you to own slaves. It condoned it.

Irrelevant. The point you and Snoofy are trying to make is a red herring. Since owning slaves was never put out by the Bible as a part of worshiping God or following his laws. Therefore a ban by the earthly authority over you does not violate you ability to practice your religion in any way.

As I said before, the message doesn't condone slavery it just doesn't condemn it. At no time does the New Testament advocate owning slaves.

As a side note, notice that none of the Bible verses you supply speak to a Christian as a master of slaves. Two are speaking to the slave themselves. As the vast majority (at one time as much as 90%) of the Roman Empire were slaves (either as captured in war, or having sold themselves as bond-servants), the Christians often spread the Word among slaves. Since there is no commandment from God saying "Thou shalt never be a slave" Paul (who wrote those verses) couldn't advocate rebellion. Therefore, in consistency with the teachings of Christ he advocated love and obedience to the earthly authority
(give unto Cesar what is Cesar's) as long as it doesn't conflict with God's law.

Since Paul's letters were to the various Churches in existence at the time, of course he would also direct the people in the other Church's to teach newly converted slaves the same thing (as in the first verse you quoted).

Context is everything. Without it you wind up making mistakes in how you attribute things to people. Now you have the historical context.

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