This just in, Hillary appoints Lorena Bobbit Under-Secretary incharge of Bill Clinton.

But it will do! It is not a library book to return. I have no idea why I typed "due." Might as well have typed "dew" and called her morning dampness.

Obama is such a nice President. He knew that comedians were uncomfortable making jokes about him, so he give Lewis Black Hillary and Biden to play with. Now THIS is a nice guy! Almost a nice as GHWB giving us Quayle. Sure, this is no Palintainment, but it will due and besides, Palin just won't go away. Turkey anyone?

Besides, localization is not a new concept. Any media outlet that gets an FCC license must serve the community. It is the community that owns the airwaves used. Thsi is why all FM and AM stations as well as broadcast television stations must donate airtime on Sunday for community affairs.

If the media is overwhelingly liberal, a claim most here support, then how can the fairness doctrine be an attack on conservative talk radio only? Sounds to me like the most affected group would be television, which people claim is liberal. Wouldn't this therefore be an attack on Liberal Television instead on an attack on Conservative Radio?

Isn't a bit early for bong hits?

#7 | Posted by JeffnDenmark at 2008-11-21 03:00 AM

It is always 4:20 somewhere.

Sana,
It also does not matter that A) they knew they were going to kill people because they built a crematorium, or that B) they killed so many that they had to expand the one they made to four times the size.

Real,
You and I do not agree! I believe Anne Frank's diary to be true and you do not. You have stated here that her father wrote it which is a common claim made by deniers. You claim not to be one, and that may be true, but 100% of the arguements you have posted are the arguments they use.

Even Kanrei admits that FYI is wrong

NO, I said that the links you and he both posted say he is wrong. I cannot and have not spoken for specific camps. I said Germany did gas and you said Germany did not. Daucha or Dachau did not gas, it was a labor camp, but the Nazis did and there is no debating nor defending that fact.

Here FYI, read this again. I bolded the important part for you.

FYI,
Your posts proves Real right about Daucha. You posted "but inexplicably, it was not used. " They did cremate more people however since " a larger building whose construction with four ovens became necessary when the first crematorium, which had only one oven, proved inadequate." This means tons of people died there, only from not feeding and over working them to death, not gassing. It was a much crueler form of murder.

#195 | Posted by kanrei at 2008-11-18 03:12 PM

And to you this means they didn't use the crematoriums?

#201 | Posted by fyi at 2008-11-18 03:18 PM

FYI,

Re-read my posts. I am agreeing mostly with you, only they did not gas people at Dachua according to Real and Your own posts. Crematoriums means they had dead bodies to burn, a sin to Jews, but does not mean the bodies were gassed prior to death. Dachua was mostly a labor camp so the people who died there were mostly worked to death.

FYI,
Your posts proves Real right about Daucha. You posted "but inexplicably, it was not used. " They did cremate more people however since " a larger building whose construction with four ovens became necessary when the first crematorium, which had only one oven, proved inadequate." This means tons of people died there, only from not feeding and over working them to death, not gassing. It was a much crueler form of murder.

Real,
The link from the USHM says that number was from 1939-1945. The Nazis took power in 1933. How many Jews in Germany were killed between 1933 and 1939 in addition to the 300,000 that ran away?

I never denied that the Nazis gassed people, but it did not occur in Germany or anywhere West of Poland.

Another problem is that you seem to be separating Germany the country from the Nazis where most of us debating you are using the terms as meaning the same thing. Nazis, the Germany government, did gas people, therefore it is correct to say Germany gassed people. You are talking physical boarders, however, once Germany took over France, it was Germany and anything done in France, or Poland if you prefer, was done by Germany and in Germany.

Real,
Are all the stories about things the Nazis did true? Of course not. I will be the first one to admit people exagerate stories to make a point. The issue is, if even 10% of the stories are true, and we know more than 10% are true because the Nazis loved to film things, then there is no defending them. If it were 5 million instead of 6 million or even 2.5 million innocent people killed, that is horrible and sick and wrong. The Nazis are simply the most recent example of pure evil we can find to help explain pure evil and they will remain the example until someone kills 7 million people.

Do I think you are a Nazi? NOt at all. Do I think you deny the holocaust? NOt at all, but your defense that evil is really only slightly less evil than percieved is where the problem lies and it is a personal topic with me and many others due to the fact that it is only 60 years removed. My grandfather heard the names and saw the pain as he grew up, as did my mother. The people who died are not statistics to be debated to me and many other people, so I am sorry if I got too defensive with you.

And why do you believe the Russians used such high estimates? Why do you think the Russians provided fake photographs and examples of things like a 'bone crushing machine'?

Yeah, because Stalin never faked anything in history. Just because Russia lost over 25 million people to defeat Germany and just because Germany betrayed Russia after swearing to not invade, there is no reason at all for Russia to exagerate the claims of what if found in Germany.

Please, provide evidence of a gassing that occured at any camp west of poland. There were many camps and I don't want to link to all of them. You only need to find one example in a camp in Germany, France, Denmark, Belgium...please, provide the link and prove me wrong.

#164 | Posted by Real_Story at 2008-11-18 02:42 PM |

Gotcha...American doesn't torture anyone ever because it is done by us in non-democratic countries. Germany never gased anyone because they did it somewhere else...got it. My mistake.

Real,
Yes. My great grandmother left in 1928. No other member of her family did. It was well before the Nazis when she left. Years later, when the Nazis took power, her entire family was wiped out and all German Jews did disappear. Anne Frank was not a German Jew, but was in Amsterdamn: different country with different records, but under the same rulers after Germany invaded. Members of her family survived, members of my family that stayed did not. Families do tend to keep things: letters and such. You can believe what you want. Everything I have said is true.

Still waiting for Real to post something worth disproving. He posted his theories and we posted sources that refutes his theories. If he starts posting some facts then I will answer him with facts, but we all already know he can't find any.

For the record, I can't believe that you all let a one day old nube troll you like this.

#153 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2008-11-18 02:32 PM |

The very day after RCADE says Jeffindenmark posts anti-Semetic things. Hmmm.....has anyone seen Jeffindenmark today or is he suddenly going to appear now?

Betelg,
You took the bait. TIMBCI was going to keep posting that over and over until someone said something. He posted it the first time at 2:22 and again at 2:29. Personally, I was waiting for the 2:38 showing.

Does that mean that you don't exist either, Kanrei?

#148 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2008-11-18 02:27 PM

Only according to offical Nazi records.

Real,
From you:

"I posted that no gassing occured with Germany and specifically within the Dachau camp. This is backed up by all the sources that I stated above in addition to the link I provided earlier. First, learn to read. Next, learn to think. Lastly, learn to debate. You missed step 1 so it is no surprise that you can not make it to step 3.

Really, you should get educated prior to trying to contribute to a discussion.

Posted by Real_Story at 2008-11-18 01:33 PM

You need to follow your own advice and "get educated prior to trying to contribute to a discussion."

Real, what you wrote was that no gassings happened in Germany. Quite different than none at one camp. If you can't keep your arguements straight, to quote you, "then shut the hell up, admit that you were wrong and apologize"

The fact that ball point pen is in the book further makes this unbelievable.

That is explained in my post.

"Otto Frank had stated in interviews that he cut many passages from the manuscript that he thought would be of little interest to the general reader before the book's original publication and that he had assigned pseudonyms to protect the identities of those Anne Frank had mentioned by name. Holocaust deniers suggested this was proof the published version was not an accurate transcription of the manuscripts, and even that this suggested the work had been written wholly or partly by Otto Frank or one of his associates."

How can we get handwritting samples from a dead person? You are kidding, right? You think when a person dies, everything they ever wrote dies with them?

I know you don't want to believe it, but I know for a fact that it did happen. My family's history is gone, wiped out. I had to do a project years ago in school making a family tree and could only go back to when my great grandmother came to America because all records of her family ever existing in Germany are gone. She was, according to offical records, never born. Explain that one! Her family, brother and sisters, never existed. Her mother never married her father, and, they never existed either.