This is the kind of move that will assuredly determine I'll not support this guy at all. Up to now I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt versus what I see on the rethug side. When a POTUS attacks personal liberty like this one, it takes precedence over the economy or any other matter.

I have trouble believing you were going to give him the benefit of the doubt, period. Also, why this act and none of the other F'd up shit he's already done? Fuck whiny religious people. They're the biggest bunch of self-centered pussies to ever exist and it's interesting that this is a bigger issue over something like the assassination of a US citizen without trial or court involvement or the passage of the NDAA.

Kill US citizens without trial? Benefit of the doubt. Indefinitely detain people in military custody? Benefit of the doubt. Offend some superstitious sensibilities? Fuck no, I won't vote for that fascist.

Catholics will not forget the fascist move that Obama recently made.

Did you not hear he changed the policy? Or is this just the latest meme the right is harping on?

Well yes--they have a head start of 40 years plus destroying the family. They need to destroy religion to complete the task of ensuring people are dependent on the gov't.

Call me crazy, but I'd say peoples' lack of a sense of personal responsibility and entitlement are more to blame for the destruction of the family (mine was just fine as were most of my friends, where do you live murph?) than a government program.

The second line is so ludicrous I don't even know what to say.

It's not at all unusual for a candidate to have Secret Service detail even at this early stage. I've read that there are myriad factors that go into the decision to ask for and/or be granted a detail.

Fair enough. I'd never heard of a SS detail being assigned to a candidate while the primaries were still underway, I guess I assumed they were given a detail during the general election period.

Fuck that fucker, let him pay for it hims....nevermind. -JPW

Yeah, because I'm such an Obama fan. Do you ever tire of being wrong?

Shitty enough so that I am on my way to play 18.

Later Dork

Easy enough with mommy making your grilled cheese sandwich.

#1 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

*facepalm*

What does that say about the intelligence of those who voted him into office?

We can't appease stupid. Force the dumb to learn!

#53 | Posted by kanrei

Kan, I refuse to believe you're actually that obtuse as to the issue with this.

We get it that SS stands for scout sniper. You're being an ass by acting as if that's a missed point. The issue is the using of a form of the letters with a history when there are TONS of ways (infinity minus one actually) to present those letters on a flag.

Remove media from war. Period. Charge with treason the party that publishes crap like this. We train these young men and women to KILL other humans and then act shocked that they are young men and women acting human.

Wow. This is pretty fucked up.

Written by a "small government" conservative, no doubt.

Seems a little melodramatic to me.

Blasting the computer and leaving it for her would have been enough.

On a related note, God I hate Facebook.

Is it normal for a candidate to have Secret Service protection at this stage in the race?

If not, WTF does Romney have protection for on our dime? Fuck that fucker, let him pay for it himself.

"You cannot sell 4.9 million 12-ounce cans of beer and wash your hands like Pontius Pilate, and say we've got nothing to do with it being smuggled," said Tom White, the tribe's Omaha-based attorney.

Actually, I they can...unless they have evidence showing the beer companies participated in or encouraged the smuggling.

This isn't surprising. The res I grew up near would occasionally pull shit like for money despite the fact they already got a large check on their 18th birthday or something like that.

Just a money ploy likely to benefit a few.

My question for you though jacque, is the contribution to the current HIV epidemic that sex with monkeys has played. Do you think this was the primary mechanisms of transmission? Does the butchering of bush meat play a role at all?

While the risk for transmission is lowerfor the insertive partner, transmission is possible and does happen.

Which is what the link I posted says.

Not outdated, incorrect. But, at least you are man enough to admit it.

Yup. I like reality and therefore have no problem acknowledging it.

However, why would you wanna be a member of a club run by a group you don't approve of? And really, if the reasons for homeschooling are at all about values (cf. Dean's "distractions" comment), does anyone think that's going to be less problematic on the fields and in the gyms? (Please note: I'm not mounting the complete argument, pro or con, just bringing up what seem to me some obvious factors.)

I guess I can see enough of a difference in after school sports programs and school itself, assuming it's distractions and a different view of what knowledge should be taught that's driving the home schooling.

If it's about "values" (barf), then I agree.

I also think part of my response would be to say part of the picking and choosing encompasses this. If it is about values, then there would be a disconnect here IMO.

Yeah my balls do hang pretty low.

You're wife is fond of juicing them, though. Tell her I say thanks.

Hi rex. Yea its pretty easy to poke holes in false religion, even junk science.

Coming from the King of junk science that's pretty hilarious.

Zat, your cult is dead, wise up old codger.

Zat was a member of Heaven's Gate?

You boys are hurting my feelings.

I could give a fuck about your feelings.

I just want to prevent the spread of your stupidity.

I was skeptical until I saw the picture.

That's pretty bad and pretty stupid.

That is your belief and you are welcome to it...afterall, it says 'likely' cause not an absolute certainty and no where near a scientific consensus as put forward by RCADE.

"Likely" is used because there will never be a definitive answer. To scientists this isn't a moot point. To those with an agenda *coughjacqueitchcough* it gives wiggle room for them to convince themselves their stupidity has validity.

Also, it's not belief as a. high heat of cooking would kill it and b. HIV isn't transmitted via the GI tract in the absence of an open wound in the mouth. The GI tract is a hostile place and viruses/bacteria that infect by that route have evolved specialized mechanisms to do so.

This politician brought up the possibility of HIV spreading to humans via monkey sex and not a god damn thing you wrote makes that any less likely.

No, the virology of HIV makes it unlikely. Sorry you're too ignorant to see it.

Further, your statement that a bottom can not give hiv to a top in homosexual sex is just dead wrong.

Unless you've got a link this statement is worthless. Fact of the matter is direct contact between bodily fluids is necessary for HIV transmission. Bottoms are more susceptible because the tissue damage caused by anal sex provides openings for the virus present in the top's semen.

Unless there is an open wound on the top's penis, transmission is extremely unlikely.

Keep telling your tops that so they bareback you all you want

I was hoping you'd say that and show your true colors shitbag.

but anal sex is one of the easies ways to contact the disease because of all the blood vessels in the anus exposing both the top and the bottom.

Breakages that expose the bottom. Exposure to the top in the absence of an open wound is not going to result in transmission.

Now I will really offend you - I believe the monkey sex was probably gay monkey sex with a male monkey bottom giving aids to the human top.

Which, if you knew jack dick about HIV virology, you'd know to be absurd.

Sorry gay basher, all you've proven here is you're an over-compensator who's admitted more than they've denied.

Aids is a population control bio-weapon. It's no coincidence it jumped species and no, it wasn't spread due to man/monkey sex.

It's a pretty shitty "weapon" then. It's the equivalent of sending our troops to Iraq with Red Rider BB guns.

And it wasn't a coincidence, cross species jumps occur (called zoonosis) and it likely wasn't spread via sexual contact between chimps and humans.

Not to the point of species jumping. That takes prolonged exposure over a period of generations; like why Avian flus tend to start in Asia- the close proximity of people living near and interacting with wild birds.

There is a MUCH larger gap evolutionarily between birds and humans and chimps and humans (which is the reason H5N1 hasn't lit our ass up yet).

Science is a slow process. One monkey fucker could not start the AIDS pandemic

And this is the key point., particularly given what we know about HIV transmission in people.

That meat eating cause is nothing but guess work in order to "white-wash" the fact that *some* men will screw anything with a warm wet spot. Monkeys included.

And the whole "monkey sex" thing is nothing but an attempt by gay bashers and morons to tie homosexuality with bestiality.

Exactly right - and my point as well. This 'meat eating' theory is a PC response when the equally, if not more, likely scenario is monkey sex.

Monkey sex is not the more likely scenario based on the virology of HIV. Sorry, but your deviancy is your own, jacque.

HIV is not like Mad Cow or e-coli which is highly resistant to temperature changes - small increases or decreases in temp range kill the virus. Why would eating monkey meat over a sustained time period make one more susceptible to the virus mutating more than sex?

Well, the temperature thing is wrong as I've already said.

.......Hunters in Africa do eat monkeys and apes on a regular basis, so undercooked meat is the most likely source of the transmission......

And here I'll address the common theme amongst these quotes-getting HIV by eating monkey meat. The answer is simple guys and stated in the article.

"Human infection," wrote Martine Peeters of the retrovirus laboratory of the Institute of Research for Development in Montpelier, France, "is thought to have resulted from cutaneous or mucous membrane exposure to infected blood during the hunting and butchering of chimpanzees and Sooty mangabeys for food.

It's the handling of a dead, woundeded animal and subsequent butchering for eating that's the likely cause, not eating the meat. So get any thoughts of cooking out of your head as it's the process before the fire is even lit that is to blame.

My God the stupidity on this thread is amazing. It seems at least a few here on the DR are such deviants they assume everyone else is as well.

However, there are many other valid theories on what caused HIV. Monkey-sex can cause HIV - you are sharing fluids same as having sex.

The whole "AIDS by monkey sex" arguments is fucking retarded. Transmission this way would only occur one of two ways 1. repeated sexual contact between multiple people and chimps (HIV1 is most similar to SIV-chimpanzee) or 2. a human allowing an SIV infected chimp to fuck them, something I find implausible given chimps tendencies to rip your fucking face off. Transmission via heterosexual sex is very difficult to achieve, particularly from female to male. If memory serves, it's also difficult to pass HIV from bottom to top in homosexual intercourse.

Given that HIV is a rather fragile virus which dies if not kept within a narrow temp range

You couldn't be more wrong.

Lab stocks of HIV are stored at -80 degrees Celsius and warmed at 37 degrees Celsius (body temperature).

Heat will kill it, yes, but that's a moot point to be dealt with shortly.

On the other hand, some dude screwing a monkey could come in direct contact with fluids at the correct temp and rich in the virus which would make it very likely for the virus to pass.

Transmission requires direct contact between bodily fluids of BOTH individuals. Why do you think anal sex and IV drugs are the most common cause of transmission?

I can say with 100% certainty that a dude in africa has had sex with a monkey in the last 100 years.

And you're correct. Look up orangutan prostitution.

However, the virology of HIV makes a sexual contraction a possible but unlikely source for HIV in the human population. Direct blood to blood contact is the more likely source.