"Bushanomics says cut taxes for the rich no matter what is happening in the economy." - Silver
"Oh. So you admit that the economy was in good shape under Bush?" - RiR

Sorry, don't see the connection. Could you explain it please?

There were/are several Lincoln assasination conspiracy theories. The one that was most bandied about, IIRC, centered around whether someone in his cabinet, like Seward, was behind the assasination.

Lots of conspiracy theories have been lost through time. Some of Egypt's are still known - like whether Tut was killed and by whom. Like the female pharaoh. Etc. Lots of the conspiracy theories of the Middle Ages are still known. But it does seem like all lose their "importance" with the passage of time. But they have always been great things for arguments/discussions. People do seem to have a great need for conspiraciy theories.

That's ok. Pakistan will be holding a Thanksgiving sale next week. They can buy some more then. And probably get a discount through Tosser.

Joe the Plumber? Is he one of Nixon's guys who is now coming out? Gonna write a book on Deep Throat? Gotta buy that, fer suuuure!

I would believe you, Doc, if it wasn't for the moonstacks on the moon. Which have the Illuminati logo on them. And are sponsored by the Masons. Good try, though.

So atheists raised hell. Next it be disclosed that they raised Jesus Christ (from the dead). No wonder they believe there is no need for a god. Well, ok, but only as long as they don't raise my taxes.

"~Professor Irwin Corey
World's Foremost Expert"

Yeah, but he's a left-winger. Which proves my point. It's a left-wing conspiracy! Or maybe it's a right-wing conspiracy spread by the John Birch society. I'm so confused ... see, that proves it's a fraud!

What I enjoy most on this site is seeing people being reminded of what they posted - and bitching about it. Thanks Hans! Just don't do it to me or you are toast!

Did you get Bani's and JeffinDenmark's approval for the lists ratings?

"History's" greatest? Many involve the U.S. and many involve scenarios in the 20th century. Guess history doesn't exist too much outside that?

Not being into conspiracy theories, I would have liked to see a list of conspiracies in world history. But it does give me something to look into.

BTW, why isn't the theory that reality is just a made-up fraud on this list?

"Again, what's your point?" - Johnson

Damn, Johnson, you went and spoiled it. You knew as well as I did what it was. No fun in that. The fun is in dealing with the structure and evolution of the theory. What things will be strung together. How much will he push the limits of belief. How will his statements be stated and defended. How will he react to counter arguments. Etc.

"Unless the kook actually directly DID say that no gassing occured there?"

Soheifox, yeah, he stated as point 4: "4.) No gassings occured at Dachau."

Of course he meant that it wasn't an extermination camp. But note how he clings to his "under 200K for Auschwitz alone" statement in the face of quotes I through out, quotes from various mainstream historians. Note how his intent is to get the Holocaust number below 1 million or less so it can be reduced in importance, for his purpose. Notice how he uses the "no gassings at Dachau" to conect, somehow to the overall gassings and somehow reduce the total number of Jews who were gassed. I've read multiple listings of Jews gassed at various camps and Dachau is never mentioned. But he brings it up anyway. It's fun to fuck with such a clown.

"Daucha or Dachau did not gas"

Kanrei, yeah, they did. They did not run it as an extermination camp, but various gasing experiments were held there (and at Treblinka) and multiple people died. The issue of gasing at Dachau is one where no concrete evidence can be provided to prove it occured en masse, though circumstancial evidence does exist and has been presented in various court cases. And the numbers, whatever they be, are small. Which is why it's not listed when the "extermination camps" are listed.

Notice RS in his post said "No" gasings were done there. Notice he did not say it wasn't an extermination camp. Notice I didn't either.

The rest of his post was worth crap, esp. re Auschwitz, so I thought I'd focus on this point. His points are the kind of hairsplitting "deniers" like to focus on, the theory being that if they can "prove" some point they focus on, it makes the entire Holocaust not real. Or that it was the locals, that is, the Poles or whereever the extermination camps were located, who did the gasings (yeah, I've really read that) and the Germans weren't culpable. The latest is that Hitler didn't know the Holocaust was occuring, so he wasn't at fault. I've been through this scenario, as a reader and sometimes as a participant, too many times.

"Notice the silence from your flock of supportors on this issue."

My supporters are the various historians who have written on this topic. They are not, nor have they been silent. I am, howver, still waiting for the list of your credentials on this subject. Especially the list of books you have written.

RS, I'm still waiting for the list of your credentials on this subject. Especially the list of books you have written.

"A crematorium is used to cremate bodies, not gas people. Does this help?"

Nope, because you haven't proved that they didn't gas Jews there.

Hell, you are wrong on so many counts it is no wonder you try to parse.

"his/her link even proves that."

Shit, RS, learn to read. Then learn to understand what you have read. No wonder you believe that crap.

Kanrei,

Lets see. They built a crematorium. Decided it was too small. Built four more to better handle to load. And to you this means they didn't use the crematoriums?

Man, you are one dumb SOB. What part of "when the first crematorium, which had only one oven, proved _inadequate_" do you not understand?

"You are a prime example of the brainwashed masses that are driving this country into the ground."

Except for the undisputed fact that every mainstream historian would label your statements as undisputed crap. Come on, what book(s) have you written on the topic? What credentials do you bring to the discussion? What makes you think that everything you've stated hasn't been long debunked? Hell, one of the top "deniers" actually took his case, built along the same lines as your argument to the courts. And lost. And had to pay damages. And has since changed his story to one much more in line with mainstream historians.

But, no, everyone is wrong. No one has _really_ studied the issue. You are the sole expert.

"Gassing did not occur at Dachau, period. No one debates this point"

In 1942 a gas chamber was also built in the Dachau concentration camp, but inexplicably, it was not used. It was located within the new crematorium, a larger building whose construction with four ovens became necessary when the first crematorium, which had only one oven, proved inadequate.
- from the official Dachau Memorial site

Wrong again.

"FYI, please go to the links that I posted earlier, read them, and then come back and join the discussion once you have become educated."

Tell me again, what books have you published on this topic? Because as of now, I can quote lots of historians, prominent, respected, accepted who would think you are an idiot.

"like the firebombing of Dresden" - RS

Let me guess. You believe that over 100,000 Germans died in that firebombing. Even though the German government itself states that the number was around 20,000 at most.

"186K jews died in Germany during the holocaust"

What utter unmitigated crap. Every respected historian will laugh himself silly at that line. Shit, even prominent "deniers" will.

"And why do you believe the Russians used such high estimates?" - RS

To make an equivalent argument to their own killings. Which, however, doesn't make the fact of either their killings or the concentration camp killings untrue.

I notice you haven't refuted the historians I mentioned in my post. Because you can't?

"Second, there are many 'survivor' stories talking about gassing at Dachau".

The survivors whose stories are most quoted were inmates at the camps who survived the war. Their experiences are agreed upon by locals of the camps.
Who to believe, you or them. Tough question.