If partial birth abortion is not torture - why don't you try one?

A root canal is not "torture" either.
an abdominal resection for colon cancer is not "torture" either.
a total knee replacement is not "torture" either.
There are hundreds of MEDICAL procedures that are extremely painful...

Not going to go out and try any of those things for your goofy ass.

Your argument is idiotic.

A fetus is not a baby and is not self aware and therefor cannot suffer like you and I and I don't know of any "pro-death" people other than those who support more WARs and capital punishment.

But do carry on with your Lunatic Rant tho...it is getting interesting seeing go thru contortions trying to equate torture with abortion (even partial birth).

BTW did you even read my post where DENYING abortions could be considered torture by the UN?

Also, I am not pro abortion I am pro choice. Get yer "Glennbeckian labels" straight.

I would prefer better family planning with no abortions and especially no late term or partial abortions.

I also want an end to poverty, all wars, hunger, disease, (and for you especially) illiteracy and peace on earth and good swill for Man.

Don't see any of that happening anytime soon either.

I didn't start by slinging insults

yet this is how he entered the thread

All the weak leftist should exile themselves from this country.

then this

you bleeding heart lefties....run you nasties right out of office....you far left, racist hatemongers...

then he proceeds to

Maybe instead of smoking dope and hugging trees you could learn to spell....Sorry if your parents didn't hug you enough or wipe your ass enough for you when you were younger.

your vitriol IS a bit lighter than most of the Wingnut ritual communication methods here on the DR.

I guess we'd call that Wingnut Light. Tastes Great! Less Filling!

go have your brains sucked out and report back how it feels.

perhaps you can tell me how it feels?

You have obviously had your brains sucked out already at least once.

Yes, all those nations that were trying to help the Afghan people fight a dilapidated Taliban insurgency and failed.

Amazing stuff.

#268 | Posted by Corky

I am not saying we cannot be successful. I believe our cause is just. But, we should not forget or ignore the lessons of of the past (you know like GW Bush did in Iraq).

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."

is obviously a lunatic. = is obviously lunacy!

dang! (spud rule 2 again!)

Thinks he never flung an insult on the DR.

yes...I fling them back... thought that is how you wingnuts like to communicate.

Elcid- you being someone who thinks partial birth abortion is torture on the child is obviously a lunatic.

equating partial birth abortion to torture is a recent tactic that was imported from glennbeckistan.

In fact as usual you have it bassackwards!

did you know

After reviewing the situation in Nicaragua against the obligations of the state under the Convention against Torture, the UN Committee concluded that the State Party should revise its legal framework in relation to abortion. The expert Committee observed that the complete ban gave them cause for profound concern, as it exposes women and girls to a constant threat of serious violations to their rights, particularly if continuation of the pregnancy posed a threat to their life, or for victims of rape.

"The Committee is sending a clear message to the Nicaraguan state: So long as the complete ban with no exceptions is in place, you will be in breach of your international legal obligations to protect human rights," said Widney Brown, Senior Director, International Law and Policy at Amnesty International. "If this complete ban were to stay, women and girls would continue to be at risk of torture, cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment. Such inaction would show a cruel indifference to the physical pain, psychological anguish and lack of human dignity this law causes women and girls in Nicaragua to suffer by denying and thwarting their access to essential medical treatment during pregnancy."

Ok I am ready for my insults now.

Piss your pants libs,...

laughing your ass off equates to "piss your pants" in your feeble mind Reinsure?

indignation=indignant

(spud blogrule #2!)

Is it just me or have you noticed how the wingnuts here love to dish out the insults and name calling (as though it was some sort of ritual tribal greeting) but when we return the favor and and greet them in their own language (wormfood and elcid come to mind here) they get all indignation and or they increase the number insults exponentially!

#265 | Posted by ELCIDCE90

you Sir are a raving lunatic who has spent way too much time in GlennBeckistan.

Man.... you have an interesting perspective on history...it is not quite as you describe though.

Alexander the Great did conquer Afghanistan...but then HE conquered everyone.

He died four years later.

Four years later, Alexander died. Then his cavalry commander, Seleucus, seized control of the eastern part of his empire. Greek rulers would maintain control over most of Afghanistan until 150 BC, when Parthian nomads arrived.

The Persians tore them a new ass..

nope... defeated...couldn't hold it.

The Afghans then defeated twice a large Persian army that was dispatched from Isfahan (capital of the Persian Safavid Empire).

Several half-hearted attempts to subdue the rebellious city having failed, the Persian Government despatched Khusraw Khn, nephew of the late Gurgn Khn, with an army of 30,000 men to effect its subjugation, but in spite of an initial success, which led the Afghns to offer to surrender on terms, his uncompromising attitude impelled them to make a fresh desperate effort, resulting in the complete defeat of the Persian army (of whom only some 700 escaped) and the death of their general. Two years later, in A.D. 1713, another Persian army commanded by Rustam Khn was also defeated by the rebels, who thus secured possession of the whole province of Qandahr.[17]

The Persian armies were defeated and the area of Kandahar was made into an independent local kingdom.

The English tore them a new ass though they did lose 4000 men in the first campaign with only one british survivor..

But the English were back for a second time but having achieved all their other objectives, the British withdrew.

Then the English kicked their asses again in 1919...

In 1878, the British invaded again, beginning the Second Anglo-Afghan War.

nope defeated...couldn't hold it...paid a tremendous price too in blood and treasure. Went back in August 1842 and after inflicting reprisals and securing the release of prisoners taken during the retreat from Kabul hey withdrew from Afghanistan through the Khyber Pass. Dost Muhammad was released, reestablished his authority in Kabul, and died on June 9, 1863.

btw the english lost 16,000 men (3,600 were soldiers) in the Destruction of Elphinstone's army.

Lady Butler's famous painting of Dr. William Brydon, initially thought to be the sole survivor, gasping his way to the British outpost in Jalalabad, helped make Afghanistan's reputation as a graveyard for foreign armies and became one of the great epics of Empire.

after that they fought each other until the Russians attacked in 1979 and were tied up in a police action for ten years.

hmmm Soviets tried to occupy Afghanistan but went home with their tails between their legs. Thought we all knew the Soviets were bogged down for years helping to bleed their empire of blood and treasure and helping cause the collapse of the Soviet Union.

maybe YOU should take history class again. You missed something.

I stand by my statement... Afghanistan is known as the graveyard of Empires for a reason.

I told them I didn't need any carpentry work done and closed the door.

#71 | Posted by goatman

gotta cure for that...

I usually ask them if they wanna help me in the yard.

Then I hand them a bucket and tell em to start with the dog poop.

Funny they seem to skip my house now.

I bet the Vatican has a few cases of vintage bottled Ghost stashed in the basement.

#31 | Posted by crispee_oc

So, did Bush actually do ANYTHING to prevent 9/11?

compulsory is what progressivism is all about.

Yeah... why do we need a speed limit anyway?

what an idiot.

Did you get this "compulsory is what progressivism is all about" crap from your latest visit to Glennbeckistan?

Member could you at least try and educate yourself about what progressivism really means before you embarrass yourself any more than you have.

and wipe that drool off yer chin!

It is tempting to join the "Kill the bill" folks, but it would amount to cutting off our noses to spite our faces. Big Insurance and Big Pharma will not be running out of money anytime soon to spend on manipulating public opinion and influencing votes on Capitol Hill. Part of every premium dollar we send to our insurance companies, and part of every dollar we pay when we pick up our prescriptions, end up in corporate piggy banks that overpaid executives tap to hire armies of lobbyists and PR firms whenever their profits are being threatened. These giant corporations and their trade associations have been saving up and preparing for this debate for years.

sums it up nicely for me.... put the public option back in and Pass the Bill!

70,000 cases? wow. you'd think there would be some real objective evidence then.

He said it sometimes took six or seven of his assistants to to hold down a possessed person. Those possessed often yelled and screamed and spat out nails or pieces of glass, which he kept in a bag. "Anything can come out of their mouths finger-length pieces of iron, but also rose petals."

Scientists would be very interested in those objects.

If they really existed.

....since the left is attempting to equate virtually everything as being "torture".

Typical Tadpole rant.

Stating a false premise and then basing your entire argument on it.

Nicely done Rtard.

The fact that we consider waterboarding torture and that it was worse than even WE thought in no way proves that "the left is attempting to equate virtually everything as being "torture"."

But, please, do carry on with the RANT of the DAY!

Donner insists, "Debate? There is no debating with you. All you are doing is ranting."

Lordy and they call me a "genius"...pay attention to which thread you are on dingbat and stop using my name in vain!

you were ranting at ringmaster this time not me...

"slow-witted in America'

that was pretty funny!

Crispee Critter- I knew you were talking about Iraq... I was talking about BOTH wars, which of course, included Iraq.

I have to ask - you don't think I meant to infer it was torture on the mother do you? I hope that was the case, because it is obviously torture on the child.

You think otherwise, you lose all credibility on any discussion of torture and value of human life fuckstain.

#222 | Posted by ELCIDCE90

I knew exactly what you were trying to infer.

I think maybe you need to use yer Urban dictionary and look up abortion and torture.

You will see that the two are entirely different.

For example torture is usually used to try and extract "information" though torture is also done to animals by some real sick individuals...

Abortion is Termination of an unwanted or abnormal pregnancy.

I did find it humorous that they said abortion was the only form of killing that republicans oppose!

The two subjects are only related in your mind. Do you really believe that a woman would intentionally inflict pain on a fetus to increase it's suffering or to extract information or to just be cruel?

If so...I think we know who the "fuckstain" is here!

Maybe you are being willfully ignorant to the fact his legislation was a sign of retreat.

#219 | Posted by crispee_oc

What a great story! I can't wait to see the movie. I am sure there will be one.

RIP Mon ami!

HE is why our image is falling overseas..

How could our "image" overseas possibly be any lower than that of the previous President... "He, Who Shall Not be Named"!

...progress.

#118 | Posted by Petrous

Careful...right wing nuts hate that word!

I think the key here is

"according the requirements of protocol"

Did Obama violate any 'protocol" by rebuking the court in his SOTU speech?

I think not.

The decision of the court was so heinous and threatening to the American Voter that Obama was right and just to use his speech to rebuke the courts decision.

I applaud him for that.

Remember... the President speaks for the People and he certainly spoke for me that day.

Did Roberts violate protocol by mouthing his response?

Probably.

Don't like it? Change the protocol or do just like Wilson and just shout out "LIAR" and be done with it!

The divide between both parties has become dangerously wide and it is dividing America once again.

Don't kid yourself into thinking that Roberts (or any Justice) has no political leanings. That is why the retirement of the Justices is so important. It can change the entire tone of the court and direction of the law of the land.

I agree with Rcade...If Roberts can't take the heat of his decisions maybe he should just stay home.

Now wouldn't that be a good thing for The People?