United Nations Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon has been trying to contact the Junta and can't get any of them to even speak with him to discuss the situation.
The key is China Chris, they have business relations with Burma and sell them weapons. If anyone could deal with the Burmese Junta it is them, unfortunately they do have their hands a bit full right now with their own problems.

"assuming some folks might have an issue, we should even let them vote, but hold it aside until residency can be verified, and if the vote is close, those are followed up on."

It's call a "provisional ballot."

"Support Dr. Ron Paul and save this great nation."

Ron Paul is not the only one in Congress who opposed those things and some of the others aren't crazy.

"Instead you cry and moan about why she can't get in instead of pointing the finger at yourself."

ER...my daughter is currently in her senior year at FAU and is incidentally still maintaining a 4.0 grade point average with a double major of Business and Marketing. She does work full time though in a position of insurance rebilling which is the process by which hospitals try to force health insurance companies to pay the claims which they automatically deny in spite of the fact that the benefits are in the policies.
Hey, I don't mind if you focus so much attention on me but get the facts right. OK???

How about all that Sniper. Much of that could be considered as American taxpayer subsidies to private companies who employ illegal aliens.

"as in the Global Warming Myth...."

In a thread about the CAtholic Church acknowledging the possiblity of aliens????
It's like a myth admitting that reality is possible.

"One came back and said Ohhhhh it was sarcasm and your are stupid for not seeing that."

So you deny that comment yesterday was sarcastic Crispee??? You honestly believe I wanted to disenfranchise all Bush voters AND their kids too???

Why would I, about half of them will be voting for Obama this time you moron.

Thank you Scooter. We really needed some quotations taken out of context and conveniently provided to you by some right wing wackos. Or are you going to try to tell us you read any of Obama's books???

"When are they going to deport the rest of them?"

As soon as we elect Nazis willing to herd them into cattle cars.

In fact, it is a fact that productivity has risen a great deal during the past seven years but wages have remained stagnant, therefore the profit on labor has increased. Thus it weakens the argument that illegal labor saves consumers money.

"No. The consumer is ultimately the one who will pay the better wage."

The savings from illegal labor does not usually make it's way to the consumer. It is kept as profit.
If it does make its way to the consumer, well tough nookies. Other things rise in price, labor needs to also.

"It's only when you try to stamp out voter fraud that they blow the dust off their copy of the Constitution, and wave it in front of our faces."

RisR, I understand the legality of the issue but I don't have to accept that folks, such as yourself, honestly believe there has been a significant enough problem with voter fraud to require laws and even constitutional amendments that we ALL KNOW WILL DISENFRANCHISE LEGITIMATE CITIZENS.
All I am saying is don't be a fucking hypocrity. Admit it is a political tactic and I'll leave y'all alone about it. There are some posters on this site who I would believe think there is a significant problem, to be kind they are not too bright, but you sir don't have that excuse and you know it.

You guys kill me with the Muslim comments totally ignoring the Manchurian tendencies of your guy.

"Reaganomics worked just fine."

If you like deficits it worked fine.
If you like union busting it worked fine.
REaganomics was the nick name for trickle down economics which caused the HUGE MESS that the economy is in today. Spending without taxing, irresponsible belief in fairy tales of imaginary growth.

"A good fix would be to allow recipients to be married and live with one another."

I've read many righties complain about the break down of the black family because of welfare and yet it is really just what you mention which caused many to break down.

I do know what you are saying Hagbard but let me just tell a short story. I used to live accross the street from a house being rented under Section 8 Housing. The people living there drove new BMWs, a Jaguar, etc. They dressed much better than I could yet they received Section 8. Well, I called the Housing Office for the City of Hollywood florida and to may amazement the office did its job. those thieves were out of there by the end of the month and....the owner of the property was so pissed that I called. I loved that. Since then, I'm sorry, they are receiving assistance which our taxes pay for, we have a right to make sure they are not abusing the system. It isn't as if we are reporting political activities or even pot smoking. NO, we're just reporting theft and I don't really think that is really similar to what occurred in Nazi Germany.

"If not cowardice, Obama dropped the ball IMO."

I might even agree with you on that. It would definitely have been a more interesting format for debate and we would have learned much more about policy and less about Rev. Wright I hope.

"Obviously danni can't defend so she kills the messenger."

Scalia can say that we who don't believe the outcome of the 2000 election was fair should "get over it."

Well, the reverse is also true. Get over the fact that MILLIONS of Americans believe the election was stolen. However, I will not waste more hours of my life arguing with people who don't honestly even consider the arguments presented preferring only to repeat right wing talking points.
There are a few righties who post here who will actually consider the ideas we on the left present, you Crispee, are not one of them.

I think the "fix" for welfare and other forms of assistance is to change the recipients reluctance to inform on abusers. Lots of people who legitimately need assistance and who recieve it are very aware of those who don't deserve it yet still receive it. As in other areas like illegal immigration enforcement is too lax.

"I am sure by now thousand of Americans have lined up to apply for those jobs "no Americans want"."

Awwww. The poor owners of the meat packing plant will have to pay better wages. When they pay enough there will be plenty of applicants. Supply and demand and all that good stuff you know???

I think you're under the false impression that we have millions of capable people collecting huge amounts in welfare payments for their entire lives. I believe we passed welfare reform under the Clinton administration. Maybe we need to do a little more but for the most part I don't think that the people collecting would be capable of doing these jobs. I'm not in favor of starving kids, hey I know that's radical but what can I say.

"It really was for the anti-american wing of the left."

Oh do clue us in. Which of us hate America????

I just can't wait to find out if I make the cut.

"Think about it. do the math."

HAGBARD think about who you are talking to.....

I have a sneaking suspicion that the RNC will take action to prevent any disruption. Remember the Bush campaign even required loyalty oaths from supporters to get into rallies. The Republican Convention will be quiet, peaceful and boring.

"McCain will choose Mike Huckabee as his running mate."

There have been hints. Probably a good choice for him. Not the worst human being on the planet though I disagree with much of what he advocates.

Arresting the employers and confiscating their businesses would work better. Put them in jail. With no jobs here they would quit coming and we wouldn't then be punishing poor people just struggling to earn a living.

"Danni, it's not about the tax cuts for the rich. It IS however about the spending. But, you'll never learn or be convinced."

That's like saying a person who is broke is broke because they spent all their money but ignoring the fact that they didn't earn any money.
The balance sheet doesn't care from which direction it is approached the balance still reflects the difference between income and outlay.
It is Congress's job to determine what is worthy of spending and what is not and then to raise the amount of revenue to pay for it. Unfortunately Republicans won't eliminate spending or raise taxes. At least Democrats are willing to raise the taxes to pay for the spending they authorize.

"Of course danni had no response to the thousands of military votes which were for Bush. Including some of the 4000."

Crispee I remember your post yesterday about that. I figured if you are so stupid that you couldn't recognize the obvious sarcasm then the hell with you. I even said their kids shouldn't be allowed to vote either, come on, I know you are stupid but for crying out loud, that's stupid even for you.
I think you are giving KUMA a run for his money on "Dumbest Poster Ever". Don't worry KUMA still has the lead but you are in the running.

"HOw much would you need to be paid to travel out into the farm land and be a migrant worker for one season?"

For me it would be quite a bit but then I'm not on the bottom rung of employment.

"Welcome to liberalism, plantation-style."

No RisR that isn't it at all. As soon as they have legal documents so that employers can't exploit them and make them work for less than Americans and as soon as we can control how many come into the country then the problem will be solved. YOur snide attitude reflects the arrogance of the Republicans who have allowed illegals (allowed??? Hell they have been recruiting them and purposely ordering Homeland Security to not enforce the laws) to come into the country in far greater numbers than is healthy for our economy. The low wages weren't passed down to consumers either. Check out the price of a house built by illegal labor....it should be far cheaper (it is crap BTW) than an American built home but it isn't at all.

RIDEON and LETUSREASON I beg to differ. The reason that the economy is in the toilet is the tax cuts for the rich. Both Dems will let them expire, McBush wants to make them permanent. Don't believe me read Lincoln Chafee's of-ed. That is the MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE today other that the war. People don't realize how pulling 1.5 trillion dollars out of the government has inflated our money then add to that the .5 trillion thus far spent in Iraq and you have2 trillion, then add the ongoing costs of the war you have another 2 trillion. Our dollars will be worth pennies under McBush.

" can go about my business"

Ha....if you elect McBush you won't have a business or a job. Take it to the place where there used to be a bank.

"We had elections, Ron Paul didn't come close to winning... how about respecting the outcome of the election Ron and tell your supporters they're not helping."

Gee Rob, I don't remember you saying that about Joe Lieberman. I must have missed that post.

"President Bush warned in an interview Tuesday that the Democratic presidential candidates' plans to withdraw abruptly from Iraq could "eventually lead to another attack on the United States" and would "embolden" terrorists."

Just a continuation of the same old lie that they have used all along.

"well I hear now American farmers are plowing more of their crops under because the Mexicans are staying away."

I'm sure that if they paid high enough wages they could get someone to pick the crops.

Thing is Furio....Mexicans have been agricultural workers in the US for decades and most of us Libs supported them and Caesar Chavez. Those jobs were truely jobs Americans didn't want to do. The problem is the MILLIONS coming in to take all kinds of other jobs and undercutting wages for many jobs Americans will do and have done always. We don't have anything against Mexicans, it's the wages they are forced to accept as illegal aliens by the employers who exploit them for cheap labor we have a problem with.

"Which of the three candidates supports this position?"

Fair question and I have to admit (and I have before) that Obama needs to reexamine illegal immigration. That is one area that he is totally out of touch with us working class folks. If there were a candidate who was stronger on that subject but who wasn't a nut like Tancredo I would look very closely at switching to them and I think MILLIONS of other worker bees would too.
If he is "elitist" on anything that is one place the term is appropriate.

It doesn't say in the article if management was arrested. Someone hired all these people and it is they who should be going to jail.

Larry would you agree with me that KUMA has earned the title of "Dumbest Poster Ever" award or would you have other nominees for the honor???

I'm going to give up chocolate sundaes until the troops are home. I hope the troops appreciate my sacrifice.

Mentioning the fact that people have lost family members is talking about real sacrifice.
Giving up golf and pretending it's a sacrifice is an insult to those who have really sacrificed.
I wonder if Bush's "sacrifice" of golf wasn't really for security reasons anyway.

Pretending that Democrats won't protect us is about all right wing tools can do these days. Even the morons on the right are starting to realize what a complete disaster the unnecessary invasion of Iraq was and so their only hope of fooling anyone again into voting Rethug is to use fear. Hey guys....it isn't working any more. That is what that POS Rummy was saying you dumb asses. He was saying that only another attack would frighten America into voting Rethug again because the country is getting wise to the lies. Rummy belongs behind bars. If Bush doesn't pardon him, along with all of the administration, he will be soon.
BTW, if Bush does pardon these fucks without them being charged with crimes will those pardons mean anything??? Can you be pardoned for a crime you haven't yet been accused of??? Rummy and others would like to know.

Over 4,000 Americans gave up a lot more than golf.

But Rob, he'll still be voting with the Democratic Majority on most issues. On the important issues.

HAGBARD I think I have to agree with you there. Perhaps my hatred for REagan spilled over a bit this morning. I really do despise that jerk though and may he rot in hell.

Davis would have been better off to have told Cheney to stay away. Bush and Cheney are virtually radioactive these days, no smart Republican will have anything to do with them. Get as far away from them as possible. Hey, become Democrats, it's your only hope of winning.

"But go on pretending that Obama is not a coward."

Live or Die, most of your post was reasonably intelligent and I agree with you about the treatment Ron Paul received, and he would do very well in a head to head match up against John McBush, in fact he'd kick his ass.
However your last statement is just stupid, not funny, not smart, not anyting but just dumb. It has nothing to do with my feelings about Obama, it is because an IDIOT knows that after 23 debates there is little left to discuss and since he is the apparent nominee he has little to gain by debating. That isn't cowardice you idiot, it's politics.

"Sure they do."""?????

"The correction for that, I suppose, is [another] attack."

Sorry Jeff, I'm not saying 9-11 was an inside job but the evidence is mounting. One think for certain, Rummy is certifiably crazy and it doesn't make you appear intelligent to deny it.

"This is all the fault of "wmens lib". If women would have stayed home where they belong, we would not have this problem."

You sir are full of it. Women should have equal rights to work and be paid the same as men but FAMILIES should be able to afford to choose that one parent stay home with the kids. Today's mothers don't "choose" to work, they are forced to work because of REAGANFUCKINGOMICS.

"Why anyone would want to be associated with the "Doom and Gloom" Democrats is beyond me."

You dumb ass, because you borrow and spend Republicans have, as I said above, just cost the average homeowner $80,000.00!!!

Democrats should print bumper stickers with just:

"$80,000.00" printed on them to drive home that point to every American.

That's junior's college education, that's part of Dad's retirement. That's the home equity to replace the roof after a tornado or a hurricane. That rooster will be coming home to roost and will absolutely destroy the Republican Party as it very well should. Without a doubt that is the most powerful point that Democrats can make today and stupid McBush is playing right along with the Bush tax cuts for the rich which caused the entire thing.
That $80,000 was just virtually transferred from the average American homeowner into the pockets of the top 1%. Now that is class war. We aren't even close to seeing the bottom of this mess and as it grows so too will the anger of Americans. Hell, a Democrat won last night in fucking MISSISSIPPI....that should tell you dumb right wing loons something. Get ready to lose, lose lose!!!!

Bob Barr '08.....yeah!!!!

Will Barr be barred from the debates?

If aliens with advanced scientific weapons decided to destroy the Earth's population but did later accept Jesus Christ as their savior would God forgive them??? Did Jesus die for their sins too or do they have to have one of their own save them???

The more intelligent of the righties know very well why laws such as this are proposed and it has nothing to do with insuring the integrity of elections. It is an obvious excuse to disenfranchise many poor people. Please don't be such hypocrits that you won't even admit the truth about it here on this little blog. Don't worry, none of those poor folks will read it, it won't prevent your party from doing it but it will make you look less gullible and stupid.
As for those who actually believe this SHIT is really for the stated purposes, you're not really smart enough to bother having a discussion with.
To me, the most hypocritical are those who pretend to be stupid enough to believe this kind of crap.

"Get over it."

Stolen elections.
Invasions based on lies.
Billions missing through corruption.

That all you got?? "Get over it?" Weak, very weak.

I think McBush is going to have big problems dealing with teh average $80,000. loss in home value that the American homeowner is facing. YOu can try to play the war lie things, appeal with flag waving, accusations of racism, whatever but most Americans vote according to their pocketbooks.
The simple fact is Bush has made 99% of Americans poorer and that fact won't be well enough disguised with $600 bribes to make most forget about it.
Those $600 checks though should cost Pelosi and Reid their jobs as leaders of the Dems. In an election year it is generally a bad idea to authorize bribes for voters for the president's party to proclaim as help for the little people.

Murphy and Kerrin whining that Obama is a "coward" for not debating Hillary for the 24th time.....too funny. As if they really want to learn something from the debate??? As if they need more information so they can decide who to support????
I can't really remember giving a crap if the REpublicans debated or not.
Hey, why won't John McCain debate Ron Paul???
Now there is a much better question.

George Bush is a compassionate conservative who invaded Iraq to free oppressed oil.

George Bush is a compassionate conservative who invaded Iraq to free oppressed oil.

"He equates tax cuts to oil prices going up."

Thank you KUMA, that was priceless.

Ask one of your rightie friends why I am laughing my ass off right now ok???

Jimmy Carter's presidency was devastated by the Iranian hostage crises. I'd like to know what clever fix Ronnie would have had for that other than negotiating before the inauguration to arrange the release AFTER Reagan's inauguration. Never absolutely proven but most folks believe it to be true. Disgusting, treasonous.

"Meet with the enemies of the US without conditions--same."

Hmm...how is that peace treaty between Israel and Egypt these days?? STill holding steady...I thought so.

The biggest mistake this country has made in the past fifty years was choosing not to impeach Ronnie Raygun for Iran Contra.
As Redneck says above, had we continued Carter's energy policies we would not be importing oil from the ME and millions of fools still think Reagan was a great president. History will view Reagan as the beginning of America's descent to 2nd world status.

"Tax the wealthy and crush the economy"
Er....Bush pushed through the largest tax cut in history....resulting in.....the largest deficit in history, inflation and $4.00 gas. For crying out loud...the average American homeowner just lost $80,000 in home equity value. All because of those idiotic greedy tax cuts for the rich.

"Tax the oil company profits so that gas will go thru the roof more than it is already.."

TAxation is based on profit not gross sales. Are you trying to say that oil companies operate as a cartel that will raise prices if their profits are taxed??? If there is truely competition then that would not be a likely scenario. Make up your mind, either the oil companies operate as a monopolistic cartel that should be broken up to increase competition or raising taxes on oil company profits would cost the stock holders not the consumer.

"Those of you who cannot understand this are ignorant of scientific facts."

I guess it is sort of a problem that the vast majority of scientists are ignorant of scientific facts. Fortunately they have REPUBLICAN4EVER to help them get up to speed on scientific facts.

JBUSH1 if you are going to post here you better get used to wise cracks, don't change your name, get a sense of humor.

REALPATRIOT you are right about that, the Dems who voted to give Bush the authority to invade do have to accept their portion of the responsibility for that disaster. If any voted for that tax cut they also have to take responsibility for that.
That is why I did decide to support Obama, Clinton was trying to pretend that her record isn't important when nothing can be farther from the truth. A Senator's record is our best method of evaluating their future decisions.
So, that said, JBUSH1's point about shared blame is partially correct.

We had a similar thing happen here in S. Florida (of course).

I don't believe JBUSH1, I think it really is Jeb.

"However, the liberation of millions from slaughter is ALWAYS the right thing to do!"

Huh???? Always the right thing to do???
More died since the invasion than Saddam ever killed. In Darfur there is a slaughter going on as we speak...what's the hold up??? Burmese are brutal...what's the hold up.
We are one nation, not the policeman of the world.

JBUSH1 I first took your argument and responded to it then I commented on your name. I'll give you the potential to be nonpartisan in spite of your name but your post is basicly the argument that Republicans put forth these days because their party is indefensible so spreading the blame is their only alternative.

"Are both parties currently failing this country?"

No, I don't think they are. I think the voters are.
In 2000 Bush was elected(?) and I'll forgive the voters who voted for him but in 2004 there was simply no excuse. The Democrats weren't in any position to do anything about what the Republicans did. The voters are to blame.

JBUSH I think you need to read up on what has occurred in the Senate since the Dems took "majority". The Republicans have threatened to veto nearly every single proposal by the Democrats, even many which weren't even controversial. If there is nothing happening in Congress it is DEFINITELY the Republicans who are causing that problem. Your attempts to spread the blame are typical Republican tactics of 2008. It is obvious to everyone that things are screwed up so now the tactic is to spread the blame. Sorry, from many polls...it isn't working.
With the name JBUSH1 your claim to be nonpartisan seem pretty foolish.

" a thoughtful citizen."

How would you know Ryker???

anyway, the crocs Herm was speaking of would be in the Everglades. Okeefenokee is quite a ways from here....like in a different state.

"And yes, the Dems too could have done more with their majority if they could have spent less time playing childish games and more time serving the people."

Riight. The "up or down vote" Republicans would never dream of fillibustering and the president wouldn't veto anything either. Hey, give the Dems a fillibuster proof majority and the presidency and lets see what happens.

The crocs are usually nicer and generally don't look down upon anyone. They will eat you though, I don't like that about them.

"I guess you were to young to remember the Cuban flotillas of Mr. Carters reign."

Ok Crispee, what should Jimmy Carter have done to stop the Mariel Boat Lift???
I'd really like an answer. Also the total was a tiny fraction of the number of Mexicans that have entered illegally under Bush. Not even 1%.

"If both sides will be intellectually honest with themselves, we can ALL agree that the war itself was the right thing to do in the name of freedom and democracy"

Both sides won't agree because that statement is utter bull shit.

"Can we not ALL agree as libs and conserves that the post war handling has been a major blunder by both parties on the hill that voted to support the entire war (Pre, During, Post)?"

Both parties??? No we can't all agree on that because no Democrat even had a say in anything that happened in Iraq and the Republicans in Congress blocked any and all investigations for six years. They wouldn't even allow the Dems to use a meeting room.

Another Bush voter in 2004.

Oh, Sean Hannity told me Bush is a good man fighting for our peace and security and that all those accusations of corruption are just Democrats sour grapes. Rush agreed and that's good enough for me.

Bush voter:
"No one could ever have imagined that a corrupt administration would ignore corruptions in Iraq."

"And with the 10-year bond yield at 3.85%--below the rate of inflation--it's cheaper to borrow the money than to raise taxes."

And then when the holder of the bond goes to exchange it for money he gets repaid with inflated dollars. And as I said, keep doing it and gas will be $10/gallon by the end of McBush's first term.
Flim flam works for a while but eventually the bills come due. There is no free lunch and there are no free wars.

Obama cashing in, as a fairly young rich man with high political ambitions hardly indicates that he didn't understand the financial ins and outs, he just had entirely different priorities. Nice try though.

"Can I assume from you answer that you're not willing to pay higher taxes for the privilege of having Obama in the White House?"

No you can't. It will become increasingly clear to Americans that though they hate taxes they are going to hate inflation more. At least with taxes you can do something good for the country, inflation robs both the government and the people.
Funny that we end up in inflationary spirals after low tax Republican administrations and then REpublicans blame them on the president stuck with the job of stabilizing our currency. That's what 24/7/365 propaganda does. Many of the posters here (not RisR I think) hold the opinions they do not because of their own though (though they think they do) but because ideas were planted in their heads by right wing talkers. Right wing ideas are like songs you can't get out of your head....they suck but once they are planted it is hard to kill them.
Here's one of the popular right wing tunes of today...."Free Trade." Sounds nice, sounds innocent, sounds like it would be good for us. It is anything but good for us.

"If you believe that the recipe to keep a country out of recession is tax INCREASES during a time of war"

Duh we always raise taxes during wars....wars cost money. We are supposed to have to sacrifice during wars. You lunatics think we can fight overseas wars and not raise taxes.....dream world. Disconnected from reality. Sad. Your type of thinking will bring about the end of the US as we know it. Our forefathers would be ashamed of you whiners.

" I'm still waiting on your answer from the other day, Danni--how much do you want your taxes to go up?"

I answered the other day. I want the Bush Tax Cuts for the Rich to Expire. That will probably not be quite enough because he has dug a seriously deep hole but it will be a start. Add to that some tariffs to protect jobs and raise revenues and we might start rebuilding our economy.

And then I just have to say how STUPID you guys sound saying you will vote for McBush who already has said HE WANTS TO MAKE THAT TAX CUT PERMANENT!!!
By the end of his first term gas will be $10. per gallon!!! We'll all be unemployed and still stuck in an expensive war we can't afford.
And then you IDIOTS make fun of the folks who want CHANGE!!!
Bush voters should never be allowed to go near a voting booth again for the rest of their lives and the lives of their children. My Grandchildren will still be paying down the debts your president ran up when they have kids of their own.

"I just can not believe that people will vote for higher taxes at a time like this."

We currently have the largest deficit in history and the dollar falls in value daily. When do you think you would need to raise taxes??? When there is a surplus????
Let's make it simple...the government has to borrow money to pay the bills. It is cheaper in the long run to enact taxes than it is to continue borrowing.
GEt it???

RisR preaches about Obama's "egregious ignorance of economics and tax policy" after voting for Bush twice with the results obvious after the first term. Hilarious. Hey RisR, I'll take my chances on Obama and I'll tell you one thing which is absolutely sure...he can't do nearly as bad as the guy you helped elect and who's utter failure was 100% predictable by anyone who understood anything about economics and international events.
Lincoln Chafee's op-ed about the tax cuts for the rich made it clear that Bush was INSANE to anyone who was willing to actually consider the ramifications of that tax cut.

Obama is now a millionaire Johnson, he already got even and then some. I think it is you who want to get even with these uppity black folks who are taking your job, dating your sister and sitting right there in the front seat of the bus with your mother. Meanwhile Barrack glides by in his beautiful limo and OMG!!! he's riding in the back seat!!!!
I think the anger and frustration that it brings out in racists is a good enough reason alone to pick Obama over Clinton. Pissing off racists is fun.
I hadn't realized how much I missed the sixties.
Now if we could just get a bigger turnout for the anti-war demonstrations.

101 thanks for the clarification.

Slightly funny flag for 101.

"Obama will either blow McCain out or be blown out by McCain, while HRC would win in either a close race or a blow out."

That is quite a statement considering the amount of time remaining before the election and the lead that Hillary had over Obama a few months ago.
Nothing is guaranteed for any of the candidates so we may as well vote our consciences and hope to elect the person we truely want as our president.
It would certainly be sad to nominate a compromise candidate and then lose.

I read that article the other day but I just didn't know what article you referring to 101, now I'm a "speedbag"???
You know what, I don't understand your attempt at insult, don't really give a crap about some vague point you are trying to make and pretty much your humor has been quite weak of late. Vitamin deficiency??? You used to be funny but then so did Dennis Miller. He bores me now too.

"But when 94% of Blacks vote for the Black guy you won't call that for what it is."

If they hadn't previously voted for white people you might have a point. The whites who are really racists will stay home or vote for McCain rather than vote for a black man, I don't think you can say the same thing about those black people because they have previously proven they would vote for a white person. Therefore a racial preference is not at all the same thing as racism.

"It's not Obama's fault that the blacks are voting for him because he's black."

I'll admit that they are voting for him over Hillary because he is black but then I am too.
I think it is important for America to FINALLY elect a black president and with all other things being at least equal then why the hell not?
I remember when we elected our first Catholic, most Catholics voted for him and it turned out to be a good thing for the ecountry, though Rev. Hagee would disagree.

"I would call that person a racist"

Now you gotta admit that was taken out of context, I think Rob is auditioning for Faux News.

I don't know what articly you are referring to 101.

"Danni, what would you call someone who said they are voting for McCain because he's white?"

After a continuous succession of 43 white male presidents I would call that person a racist and possibly a sexist too. Or I might just call them Rob.

"Cybercast News reports another pastor as the church, reverend Reginald Williams, has written in the church bulletin that the Pentagon trains Latin Americans to become terrorists and the major TV networks are run by right wing racists who see blacks as subhuman."

Er...the Pentagon has trained terrorists in S. America.
Major networks are run by white who though not strictly racist are definitely participating in a class war.

"It doesn't make you a racist to point out the obvious guys..."

It also doesn't make a black person racist for wanting to help elect the first black president in history. AFter we've elected a few black presidents I think you'll find that skin color loses its importance to both whites and blacks.
If it were strictly a racist thing then people like Allen Keyes would be where Barrack Obama is.

Sorry Metslider, they've already proven many times that they were willing to vote for white candidates.
They have a preference for a black man and to tell you the truth so do I and I am very white. I think America needs very badly to prove to the world that we are not a racist nation and we need to prove it to ourselves as well. If all things were equal between Hillary and Obama I would still choose Obama.

BTW Furio you really are a disgusting puke.

Actually, if anything, these racists are the best reason yet for Hillary to get out of the race and let Obama mount a national campaign.

There are lots of states with a higher level of humanity where Obama will do fine. Personally, I would rather nominate who we want and risk losing the election than to bow to these human scum bags.

So I'm to believe that the same ignorant white trash who won't vote for a black man will vote for a white woman???
They are less sexist than they are racist???
Somehow I doubt it.

As in most things simple answers don't hold the key to success. Choosing between parents and schools as the responsible party for the low achievements of students is foolish. Both share responsiblity. I don't doubt that Sam Barber is a good teacher but if a student enters his class who hasn't been properly prepared in earlier grades there is little he can do to make up for that deficiency. We have a real problem with reading levels and other basic skills which parents have to shoulder some of the responsibility for. America has millions of homes where no one ever reads a book, television is on 24/7, and parents stressed from working and raising families have little patience or energy to oversee homework. Full time mommies are a thing of the past for most kids and day care substitutes for one on one time with mom after school.
Our entire society needs to be restructured so that parenting can be as important of a job as the other low wage positions that many moms have to do to help make ends meet.
Isn't it interesting that as women entered the work force inflation and wage stagnation changed their entry from a choice to a necessity. Today many corporations can accurately claim that they need to import skilled workers because there aren't enough educated Americans. Perhaps if those corporations hadn't undercut the wages of single bread winners over the past thirty years many moms would be home and their kids would be well educated.

"Like him or not John McCain has an extensive history of accomplishments in the senate including campaign finance reform."

That, in reality, you oppose as a violation of "free speech" right??
Perhaps his "experience" rewarding lobbyists with land swaps is what you like about him or perhaps his "experience" as part of the Keating Five is what draws you to him.
We NEED the least experienced because in Washington "experience" translates to "Washington Insider" and "old ideas."

What is wrong with this guy. Doesn't he know that science is a liberal plot to destroy religion and moral values??? If Global Warming was real it would be in the Bible.

I am sure that requiring a photo ID before a voter is allowed to select their choice on a computer voting machine with unverifiable counts, proven hackability and easy vote erradication will make American democracy stronger. Never mind the FACT that no significant problem with non-citizens or otherwise unqualified voters has arisen while documented problems of voter maching hacking has been proven....never mind all that....this is the latest attempt by the Republicans to skew the results in November...it will be for naught....the landslide coming will be similar to the mud slides in S. California devouring mansions...the RNC is going down in flames and hopefully will crash and burn beyond recognition.

"{I think all elected government officials should take a lie detector test once a year, and be subject to random drug tests."

I don't. I don't think anyone not doing a job that jeopardizes the safety of others should have to take a drug test. I have never crashed my desk into anything.

"Again... he's a fucking janitor."

and he's 18!
Rob can evaluate this kid's potential by the job he's doing today. By his measure I wonder how many self-made leaders would make the grade?
I guess being "kept" by a doctor makes one just a tad mean. I think it is a defensive response.

For once, I agree with Bush. I hope that other nations in the ME will decide that it is in their best interest to prevent Hezbollah from destabilizing Lebanon and creating more war.

Fair is fair. The DEmocratic Party needs to offer to finance Barr's campaign.

"And in the mean time 1% of burglaries result in jail time.

Posted by Zatoichi

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Do you just make this shit up?"


Actually I think Zat was being generous. I have been burglarized four times total and zero people have been arrested. MOst people I know only report burglaries because they need a police report to file an insurance claim.

"Maybe Danni could put on some blackface and mock dem po black folks."

If it funny for TEd Danson then.....oh wait.....velly solly.

BABUENTHAL i hear ya. I hope you're wrong but I suspect not. I wonder how well we will deal with it.

"New baby and insane responsibilities at work.

gotta continue to empower corporations to piss you off."

Apparently the cororate world is trying to piss you off. Just wait, they will keep pushing, you'll keep defending, then one day......Eberly the Lib is born.
I've seen it happen before.

Probably not too bad of an idea to enlist about now. Obama will get us out of that hell hole. Believe it!

" have challenged you time and again as to why you (and most others here) NEVER advocate cutting spending.."

Because government spending raises wages. WAges are what makes the economy work. You seem to think that revenue gained through taxation disappears. It doesn't, it reemerges into the economy through spending. I don't really care what the government spends it on it still energizes the economy. When taxation is too low wealth just concentrates because there is no reason to make investments which generate jobs and MORE WEALTH. Why was the largest middle class in the history of the world created during a time of incredibly high income tax???? Because taxes levied by a Republic are not the same as taxes levied by a monarchy. The taxes levied in our nation do not sit in a vault, they are used to create infrastructure which empowers entrepreneurs to start businesses never before dreamed of. How many tax dollars went into the creation of the internet (thank you Al Gore)?
Now tell me that those dollars were wasted.
How many dollars went into the creation of the Interstate Highway System.
Now tell me those dollars were wasted.
How many dollars went into NASA???

Puhleeeeeeez. Taxation of the wealthy creates more wealth, more jobs, more everything.

The idea that low taxation, small government, free trade will make us safe, prosperous and leaders of the world is disproven by the very things that did make us safe, prosperous and the leaders of the world. It's like you want to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs.

If I had sick days I might abuse the privelege but I don't and that is the future so the technology is irrelevant. I can call in sick any time I want as long as I don't mind not being paid for the day.

HERM I still hold in my heart the hope that one of these idiots will actually have a thought. I know, it's hopeless but I still believe in miracles.
Call me crazy, I don't care. Someday Sniper could awaken from his coma, Kuma could be cured, BLT could decide to take his meds. I have faith that someday we will all gather together in a celebration of sanity.

Gotta wonder what the person who dropped the bag of money is doing to make a living these days.

You know when the hero finally defeats the bad guy and everyone thinks the battle is over...and then the bad guy isn't dead and comes back and tries to kill the good guy....You know when the good guy thinks just killing the vampire is enough but then finds out he has to drive a stake through the vampire's heart????
I don't know, it sort of scares me that Barrack is taking his eyes off of Hillary. These folks have risen from the dead before. They've faced bigger challenges than this.
Never count them out until two weeks after the election is over. EVen then, send in a Green Beret team into the White House before entering. ARm them with stakes.

I do think that America is awfully lucky when it comes to natural disasters. I don't remember ever having the high numbers of casualties that it seems the far east endures from weather, earth quakes and droughts. We are lucky to live where we do and geography does play a large part in our success as a nation whether we like to admit it or not.

"because McCain's bill would allow transfer of college benefits to a spouse or child"

And what is to stop the Dems from putting a similar provision in their bill???

SNIPER the dishonesty and the oversimplifications of the past seven years is what is killing your party. GEt a clue. Most folks realize Gore never claimed to have invented the internet so that old joke is just dumb. And, if Gore is right about Global WArming, the fuel that powers his jet will be the most important use of fuel in history.
I'm thinking that the era of intentional stupidity is coming to a close.

Danni velly solly.

"But then again, being in the military is a little more stressful that what our teacher's put up with."

True story. I had an uncle, he retired as a Lieutenant Commander from the Navy and then decided he'd try teaching. Make a long story short, he ended up as an insurance adjuster.
A day in some classrooms is as stressful and as dangerous as most military people ever face. Sure some military people face combat but not most and even the ones who do can shoot back.

"Barack's nickname is Bwarrrack--because he is chicken to debate Hillary..."

Do you realize just how stupid that statement sounds after 23 debates???

Danni no hate all corporation. DAnni just don't like corporation who buy media and control news.
DAnni don't like company who make profiteering from war. DAnni don't like company who get naive consumer to sign contract no good for consumer.
Danni work for corporation, very good corporation, treat Danni very good. Simplistic fool think all corporation same. Not so. Most corporation do business, create job, make people happy. Some corporation very big, don't care about people, only care how much money they make.
Why Danni still talk like immitation Chinese people???
I not know. Is very stupid. DAnni stop doing this right now, ok???

12:04 - 12:21

3 anti-gay posts by TIMBCI in a thread about mental illness. You make your own conclusions, I've already made mine.

Interectual Pwoperty Wrights????

We China, We most favored nation, we no bother with Pwoperty Wrights.

"The financial investment field exists for a reason, Danni."

I'm not arguing that, I was just wondering about you specifically. That link I put up about 401Ks has some interesting points though including the number of fees associated with 401Ks and more importantly about the reaction of the stock market when millions of boomers are all selling off their stocks at the same time. Not to mention the possibility of a higher tax rate at the time we take out our money than what it was when we put it in.

JEFF do you think you could handle your own investment better or worse than the people handling your 401K?

"Danni, are you sure about that? When I was repaying my loan, that wasn't true. I merely had to repay like any other loan."

I'm just going on what I was told by my company on that.

"Ever hear of the 'win-win' scenario?"

It will be a few more years before I can make that judgement. I would imagine it will be different for everyone depending upon how the stock market is doing at your time of retirement. Fortunately I don't have to concern myself because...I won't ever be able to retire.

Could be. The main advantage I know of though is the employer contributions. That's like free money. That is one part I do like about them. Unfortunately, I had to borrow against my a couple of years ago and I can't contribute more into my account, and neither can my employer, until the loan from myself is paid back. That seems a little too restrictive and sort of a Catch 22 to me.

"Actually all of it is considered ordinary income when they take it out because it is deferred income and will be subject to whatever tax rates they get at the time of withdrawal."

Is that right??? I could be mistaken but I believe that if you leave it in til you are 65 you get to take it out tax free, otherwise what's the benefit of leaving it in??
Personally I don't like the idea of a 401K anyway. I don't like giving my money to third person to manage and leaving me helpless in a time of panic to do anything about it. I always thought that it was a scheme to funnel retirement dollars through companies who make $$$ and invest our funds more for their benefit than ours.

"I pay capital gains and I invest into a 401K."

But you aren't in the majority of workers contributing to a 401K. And what does that prove anyway except that you earn money on capital gains and pay less than we pay on our labor. Sorry but labor should not be taxed at a higher rate.

thing is Eberly, either we begin doing as our parents did or we will watch the nation they built crumble around us. We will watch as we become a second world nation. Our kids will be burdened with debt and crumbling infrastructure so that we can live in air conditioned McMansions and drive Lexus 450s but our kids go to substandard schools, can't afford college, look forward to a shrinking job market, and we make enemies around the world.
It is not surprising that our greatest time of growth and accomplishment was before the Reagan Revolution.

"You understand that wouldn't have a chance in hell of being accepted today."

Exactly my point. Our generation is a bunch of whiners. Hey, I'm probably as guilty as the next person. I have grown a great deal of respect for my parents generation these past few years that I didn't have before the Iraq war.

And they are not being gouged in fees as are those who make contributions to a 401k.

"60% of American workers own stock. Those capital gain tax cuts helped them too."

the majority own stock through their 401Ks, they do not earn capital gains. They take their gains when they retire and they pay no tax on that income but they can't touch it until then. The people who get capital gains are not investing through a 401k.

"However, I encourage you to look upon capital investment as a positive thing."

I do, if it is investment within the United States.
Investment in China does not help the American worker. If you want to invest in a factory in AMerica then you should get a tax break, if you want to invest in a factory in China then you should not.

"You'll have to peddle your nonsense elsewhere, methinks."

And they willingly went along with all of it INCLUDING the extremely high income tax rates during and after the war. Don't even try to tell me different it is too easily linked to proof. All of those sacrifices were patriotically made by our parents generation while during the current war/occupation Bush LOWERED taxes, people bitch about the price of gas for their SUVs, etc.
Comparing our generation to theirs is a losing proposition for ours. Boomers = Whiners. No let me correct that: Boomers = Greedy Whiners.

"That was entirely my point to people like Danni that would love to increase taxes on the middle class (who, in her world, are rich)..."

I never ever said that. I want to raise taxes on the rich and you know very well that is what I said.
The planned cut off will be $250,000 per year for increased taxes and yes, I do think those folks can afford it. They have made out quite well these past six years paying only half the tax on their capital gains that us workers pay on our labor.