But maybe you are onto something, I did look it up.

#62 | POSTED BY MIRANDA7

I never criticize anyone for learning something.

Though in some cases it is too little too late.

So, iow you can't answer my question. You post an insult than can't back it up. You double down on it.

A serious person would post some supporting arguments to a conclusion, you chose otherwise.

You're a nonsense person.

@#53 ... I believe that the protests are having some effect in the administration's rhetoric towards Israel, which would be a start. You are aware that there is massive disagreement in congress over aid to Israel, right? ...
And that relates to this bill ... how?

#57 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER

Did you follow the thread? Very long argument with Censored. Miranda responded calling me a fantasist, I responded.

AB 2742, as introduced, Sanchez. Emergency vehicles: penalties.
Existing law requires, upon the immediate approach of an authorized emergency vehicle that is sounding a siren and has a lighted lamp exhibiting red light, that a driver of a vehicle yield the right-of-way to the emergency vehicle, that the operator of a street car immediately stop the street car, and that all pedestrians proceed to the nearest curb or place of safety and remain there until the authorized emergency vehicle has passed.
Existing law makes a violation of that provision an infraction, punishable by specified fines.
This bill would prohibit a person driving a vehicle upon a highway or a pedestrian from willfully obstructing a highway, including in the course of a protest, in any manner that interferes with the ability of an authorized emergency vehicle to pass and would make a violation of this provision punishable by specified fines. By creating a new crime, this bill would impose a state-mandated local program.
The California Constitution requires the state to reimburse local agencies and school districts for certain costs mandated by the state. Statutory provisions establish procedures for making that reimbursement.
This bill would provide that no reimbursement is required by this act for a specified reason.
...

At this point, I have no issue with this bill.

Are there penalties for emergency vehicles (i.e. cop cars) running over people? I would consider that murder or attempted murder myself.

Could you be more specific? I believe that the protests are having some effect in the administration's rhetoric towards Israel, which would be a start. You are aware that there is massive disagreement in congress over aid to Israel, right? Biden's pressure has had a positive effect on Netanyahu. Following the killing of the aid workers, Biden said let more aid in or the US would reconsider it's aid. Within 24 hours Israel quadrupled the aid into Gaza. Biden is certainly under pressure from many different directions-the protests are just one of those.

I honestly think my scenario is grounded deeply in fact, though the final goal of the 2 state solution is likely too ambitious at this point.

Though, admittedly, it is very hard to push Netanyahu to act in accordance with our wishes since he wants Shitler to win in November and ALSO needs the conflict to continue to keep his corrupt ass out of jail.

But, Biden trying to walk a line between supporting Israel and criticizing Israel will be impacted by the protests.

I weep for my children.

I am too old for the fight, I won't be on the front line, though I suspect that should Shitler win I will receive a knock on my door by a pasty faced Pecksniff at some point. There will be no one too small to fall under his gaze.

But since the Court didn't stick to the case at hand and let Trump's attorney run wild, let's consider some of the "it's gonna be wild" crap he entertained:
Abby D. Phillip
@abbydphillip
For the record, Trump's attorney John Sauer argues before the Supreme Court that depending on the circumstances, assassinating a political rival could be considered an official act.
Alyssa Farah Griffin
@Alyssafarah
I was in the Oval Office with Trump when he said a WH staffer he believed leaked an embarrassing story about him should be executed.
We may want to take this line of argument from Trump's attorney extremely seriously.

#17 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

Do they understand that if this is decided before January 20, 2025 that Biden could order Shitler killed?

I was unfortunately unable to listen to the argument today due to work priorities.

However, perusing the various threads and stories gets me pondering. How far can our country's democracy bend? How far can the nation's justice system warp itself before a critical mass of disruption occurs? By this I mean at what point is the corruption too blatant, too noxious for the people to stay ameliorated. I realize that the rightwing has it's armed mob allegedly behind it waiting in the wings for violent action at Shitler's word. But what about the ordinary American? What about the left wing? What about the majority of Americans who are sick and tired of the subversion through ill intent of this conservative fringe fanatic maniacal cabal? I realize most are asleep, most won't become aware until a year from now when a nationwide abortion ban is implemented or Shitler starts arresting journalists and politicians. And that is if he WINS. If he loses the election, what then? Will America have to face a nascent civil war from disenchanted Shitlerites?

And at what point does the SC realize that Shitler will eliminate them once they get in his way? Are they so naive to think that they will hold some power independent from Shitler's whims? Shitler won't give 2 shits when it comes to eliminating Chevron, but if the SC deigns to decide a case of Executive Privilege counter to Shitler's desires you think Shitler would be averse to sending a mob against them?

Hitler came to power through democratic means, he then subverted all of the traditional power structures to his will-the courts, the parliament, the police, the armed forces, the capitalists, the industrialists, the churches, the conservative parties. All thought one way or another they could control him. Shitler has Hitler's vision (hopefully not his competency), but failing to confront him will embolden him and now the SC is poised to prevent him being held accountable through delay and empowering him through immunity.

History will look back at today and it will not be kind.

I bet he doesn't think privilege exists either

If I felt I was being "exploited," I'd go find a different job.

Why wouldn't other people?

#18 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

You clearly don't understand the concept of exploitation

And the ironic thing is that some of the forced birth babies to be born under Arizona's 1864 anti-abortion law will sit on the juries for these trials!

god bless swift justice!

You know. The crimes cohen was convicted for

Refusing to put -------- actions in context to the laptop story
I see

------- paid the porn star in a conspiracy with the nat inq to defraud the people of ny over the election

The crime occurred before the election ie the payment to the porn star which was done to effect the election.

But you know that

Ur you also know about the hunter Biden laptop story and you claim THAT is election interference despite not being about the candidate and despite conservative news organizations being in on the conspiracy. Yet you somehow diffentiate that issue with this issue where the candidate works hand in hand with the national inquirer to squelch stories

Jeff believes the twitter files is election interference of historic proportions. But this case is a nothing burger

Keep in mind one was about addressing something that look d like Russian intelligence operation over a person not running for office and was supported by very right wing news organizations and the other was the candidate himself working hand in hand to suppress negative stories about him

Jeff is a lying pos hypocrite that no one should listen to

But you have no interest in the Gaza war stopping, you want the Palestinian people eliminated, all 3,000,000 of them.

The trajectory would be protest on bridge, more people research and discuss the issue and learn about the atrocities that Israel is CURRENTLY committing, those people contact their legislators to tell them to stop funding Israel or at a minimum condition aid to Israel. Israel seeing their last support abandoning them, does not invade Rafa, allows in aid, agrees to cease fire and starts to consider a two-state solution (instead of eliminating the Palestinian people).

See: MLK and the Civil Rights Act.

Censored would have been a police dog trainer in Alabama in the 60s

Americans are funny people.

We celebrate the spirit of independence, we are untowardly proud of our rebellious birth, we have a large segment that celebrates the confederate rebellion, we idolize MLK.

Yet we consistently and mostly across the board, condemn and attack modern day protestors/rebels.

In 1776 we fought to the death for the right to self determination, now we get our noses bent out of joint if we are 15 minutes late for work.

Deplorables decided kneeling was a deeply disrespectful way to protest.
They'd shoot protesters if they could.

#24 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

IIRC many states have passed laws making it legal to run over protestors.

That's not a call to increase the penalty but to respond to the injustice #19 | Posted by truthhurts
What?
We already have penalties on the books for false imprisonment. And they're much more significant than a couple hundred dollars in fines. It's just that elected officials are too chicken-sheet to seek them.

#21 | POSTED BY CENSORED

I am referring to the fact that MLK fought against unjust laws and accepted the penalty.

You are advocating increasing the penalty of protesting injustice instead of fighting injustice.

MLK would piss a lot of people off today, even a lot of those people who sing his praises.

Whose peace?
It's a good question. Getting the public PO'd doesn't do much to convince the public to support your cause.

#20 | POSTED BY HORSTNGRABEN

MLK Pissed off a LOT of people, just saying.

That's not a call to increase the penalty but to respond to the injustice

the concept of a protest that isn't "disturbing the peace" is ridiculous.

I admire their passion and their courage.

Too many Karen's in the world I suppose