the government can never make them equal. only society and they themselves can. to force it is only belittling to their plight.

#202 | Posted by salamandagator at 2012-02-10 06:08 PM | Reply | Fla

I heard the exact same thing said in the sixties about black equality. I'm sure the same thing was said about equality for women. Bigotry and ignorance die hard

Thats's called common law. And I just explained how libertarians are in favor of getting government out of marriage unless they're not really libertarians.

Common Law marriages are not recognized in all states. Even so, the point is that even in Common Law marriages, it isn't legal until the government says it is legal. The right to perform legal marriages comes from the government. That stems from the time when the government was the Chief of the tribe.

#507 | Posted by reitze at 2012-02-10 12:08 AM | Reply | Flag:

Thats because Libertarians are more for deregulation. They wouldnt be for codifying yet more benefits, they would be for getting rid of government sanctioned marriage. Then again, they dont have the same slavish mindset as the modern left.

#499 | Posted by americanPLY at 2012-02-09 11:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

The point stands--Libertarians do not support gay rights.

No marriage has ever been legal without governemt sanctions.

#197 | Posted by RexZeitgeist at 2012-02-09 10:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

Then you should talk to me, and ask me the questions, moron.

;-)

Who is 'we'?

#195 | Posted by RexZeitgeist at 2012-02-09 09:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

What's it to you? Are you writing a book?

Libertarian - as in minimal govt doesn't care who marries who or why as long as its constructive to the culture. On that level poligamy seems just fine too. Libertarian isn't about forcing its favorite religion whether its gay, poligimist, or tradditional. Rather its about minimal govt with constitutional fairness.

#496 | Posted by reitze at 2012-02-09 08:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

Not caring isn't the same as supporting. Libertarians do not support gay rights and would do nothing to alleviate the inequality for gay citizens.

#170

So it is okay for a government to tell you what to think because you can secretly disagree.

Nice.

#172 | Posted by salamandagator at 2012-02-09 05:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

As usual, you are mistaken and looking stupid in the process.

If gays are allowed to marry, no one will tell you what to think. They are telling you the law.

"Think" what you like.

What I've always been puzzled by is why the gay right's crew have gravitated toward leftism.

Because we stand for freedom.

It's the left that wants to control what we put into our mouths (tans-fats, sugar, soda, fast food, etc).

The left supports freedom. You can put anything in your mouth you like. I have seen no laws as to what you can't put in your mouth, from your list.

It is the right who wants to control who people marry. It is the right who wants to control who people have as sex partners. It is the right who wants to control when people can reproduce. It is the right who wants to control when people pray. It is the right that wants to force their religious views on others.

What they fail to see is the slippery slope. Once these kind of powers are bestowed unto government, then the slippery slope of unintended consequences seems lost on them.

It seems like you are ignoring a much greater slippery slope. It seems you fail to realize it.

What if some "study" shows that the insertion of objects into one's backside poses some kind of health risk therefore it must be prohibited as a manner of a benevolent government protecting us from the folly of our own actions.

The government has already tried that with sodomy laws---laws promoted by the RIGHT.

If the gay crew really thought about what they are advocating beyond just their own personal cause, they'd be predominantly libertarians.

Libertarians do not support gay rights. Pay attention. You seem oblivious to reality.

#492 | Posted by JeffJ at 2012-02-09 03:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.

Recognize those words from the DoI?

#490 | Posted by ZOT at 2012-02-09 09:19 AM | Reply | Flag:

Do you understand that the DOI is a government document? Do you realize that no Creator ever gave anyone any rights? Do you understand that Jefferson was not the Creator and does not speak for any Creator?

All rights come from the government.

Rights dont come from the government. Rights come from the Constitution. The Constitution is what gives the government its authority.

The Constitution IS the government, little mind.

Constitution doesnt give the government authority to take away rights.

Of course it does. You are just oblivious to reality.

It might have the power to, but that doesnt mean it's allowed to.

Of course it does. I'm sure you hope the government takes away a womans right to choose about abortion or a gay persons right to marry.

Thats why liberals are screwed in the head. They dont have a proper grasp of reality. Everything is relatively spur of the moment.

It seems you are oblivious to irony as well.

#480 | Posted by americanPLY at 2012-02-08 10:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

Marriage is a legal contract.
#471 | Posted by Eddie

#478 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2012-02-08 08:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

Eddie does not say that marriage is a legal contract in post #471.

1. It's a State issue, not Federal. Never will be.

Actually, you are completely mistaken. The right for churches to perform a legal marriage comes from the government. Without that permission, no marriage performed is legal. Marriage has nothing to do with religion. No religious person is necessary to perform a marriage, and no religious person is required to end a marriage.

2. What's wrong with a Civil Union?

What's wrong with marriage?

Marriage was taken over by the state a while back when it shouldn't have.

Marriage has always been controlled by the government.

I say let's go back to what it was before states started issuing a "license" to get married.

There was never such a time. All rights come from the government. That has been true for all time. If the government doesn't recognize the marriage, you aren't legally married. Marriage is a legal contract.

#471 | Posted by Eddie at 2012-02-08 07:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

The question was do gays have equal rights to marry as any other citizen in this country?

#469 | Posted by crispee_oc at 2012-02-08 07:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

Heterosexuals can marry who they love.

Homosexuals can not marry who they love.

They are not treated equally, and do not have the same rights.

When heterosexuals and homosexuals can marry who they love, then equality and freedom will have a place in America.

Then we'll all have equal rights.

Now, with such open mindedness with parents today, you'd think kids wouldn't react like that. Go figure.

#462 | Posted by Petrous at 2012-02-08 05:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

It doesn't have anything to do with openmindedness of the parents. It has to do with the age of the kids. Sharing valentines with all other classmates should be first and second grade only, but it would be better to leave the holiday out of school activities all together.

#208 | Posted by americanPLY at 2012-02-08 03:23 AM | Reply | Flag:

Loses point. Can not refute the point that americanPLY hates America and the concepts America was founded on---Freedom and equality.

America stands for freedom amd equality.

americanPLY is against freedom and equality.

americanPLY is against America.

Simple isn't it.

;-)

and you dont have it. Did you call the nurse Bob?

#206 | Posted by americanPLY at 2012-02-08 03:16 AM | Reply | Flag:

You see, in order to score a point, you have to refute the logic. Otherwise you lose the point, and others see you for the dim bulb you really are. Calling names with a personal attack shows a lack of character, logic, and morality. The point stands.

America stands for freedom amd equality.

You are against freedom and equality.

You are against America.

It's called logic.

Simple isn't it.

;-)

Yes, because what is stopping these people from fucking four different people in a week is the lack of a marriage certificate.

#203 | Posted by americanPLY at 2012-02-08 03:03 AM | Reply | Flag:

It is the same thing that stops you from fucking four different people in a week. The point stands.

America stands for freedom amd equality.

You are against freedom and equality.

You are against America.

It's called logic.

Simple isn't it.

;-)

Besides that Bob you have defended the use of the courts to censor the religious expression of others. I'll not accept such an assenine statement, especially coming from the likes of you.

#189 | Posted by americanPLY at 2012-02-08 02:20 AM | Reply | Flag:

The point stands. You think freedom is just for you. I don't know wtf you are talking about with the rest of that post, but whatever it is, it doesn't mitigate your anti-American anti-freedom stance. You should lose your citizenship. You fight against all America stands for. You are an enemy within.

#179 | Posted by americanPLY at 2012-02-08 01:55 AM | Reply | Flag: Hates freedom

Freedom isn't just for you. Your anti-American stance is noted. You hate freedom for anyone different from you. You are a judgemental asshole. For you to use the word American in your name is an insult to all Americans.

And coming from a judge and lawyers most states specifically deny that marriage is a contract.

#39 | Posted by salamandagator at 2012-02-07 01:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

It is absolutely a contract. A legal document and a legal binding of two people. Where is your link to your idiotic claim?

Arent they walking naked down main street SF?

No.

Are they walking nude down the streets engaging in sex acts in SF?
No. Hard to do when walking anyway.

Arent they trying to get gay lifestyle's taught in schools in alot of schools in the Nation?

No. What is the "gay lifestyle" anyway? Gays are trying to get equality taught in schools, and trying to end bigor=try against gays. It is called freedom. Something a socialist parasite such as yourself knows little about. Bringing your shildren up to be bigots should be considered child abuse. Hopefully one of your kids will be gay. Then you can tell them what a freak they are.

#24 | Posted by boaz at 2012-02-07 01:40 PM | Reply | Flag

It's called values. Liberals dont have them, so I understand.

#6 | Posted by boaz at 2012-02-07 01:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

Says the socialist that chose a socialist lifestyle over a capitalist lifestyle, yet would deny socialist programs for others.

Your values start with hypocrisy.

Subsidized private insurance for seniors = good. American values

Subsidized private insurance for all = bad. American values

Subsidized private insurance for all = good. World Values

The most successful people in Americas history have been self-taught paupers. Dont mistake good students with industrious citizens.

#101 | Posted by americanPLY at 2012-02-07 02:34 AM | Reply | Flag:

How about a list of today's millionaires that were self taught? Start with Romney---oh wait...I forgot you are an idiot. Never mind.

;-)

of which I whole hardly agree.......

#32 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2012-02-05 05:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

LOL idiot. Your words make no sense. I wonder how long and how many times you have said that phrase to people and how stupid they thought you were for saying such a nonsensical phrase with a straight face, thinking you were making sense.

The correct phrase is "of which I whole HEARTEDLY agree"

Ever wonder what else you've twisted in that "BRANE" of yours?

;-)