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"With NASA having been taken over by the Galactic Security dept, once again we see the affect of the Bush administration. No one thought ahead, realizing it has to be built in space because they won't be able to launch it."

Bukkake,

Could it be the only solution to this economic disaster will be a nice, big, expensive, global war?

I mean...most everyone agrees that WWII is what got us out of the Great Depression.

I'm afraid things will have to get bad, before they CAN get better.

The problem is we're solving the problem with, yet, more debt.

That's the problem.

Our economy has grown thanks to debt. Debt is spending money not yet earned. We've been spending "tomorrow's money". The problem is for the last few decades, tomorrow comes and the money isn't there because of rising prices, and the fact we're paying for "yesterday's money".

The ends have caught up with the middle.

We've been led astray by our leaders who have only cared about lining their pockets.

I don't see how more debt is going to do anything except postpone the evitable.

Takeitez,

Men and women of God who believe in the divinity of Jesus Christ, have to believe simply based on the testimonies of others, and their own hearts.

However, that is the beauty of this wonderful country.

We're allowed to.

How odd that the people who attack us the most in the US, are oftentimes members of the party of "inclusion".

Although we may not be trying to force our beliefs on anyone, we are still attacked, when all we do is say, "I believe".

This idiot wasted 13 thousand dollars just to show the world he's got a really bad case of sour grapes.

I think we're asking the wrong question.

It's not a question of whether or not they SHOULD be helped.

It's a question of whether or not they CAN be helped?

Rga,

I have a question.

Suppose you had the opportunity to vote for legalized Civil Unions for same sex couples that provide all the priviledges and protections of a marriage, but without the word "marriage".

Would you vote yes or no?

Prolix,

yep.

Prolix,

There isn't a consensus "why" people are interested in the same sex.

You know...people discuss the whys a lot. That is a popular topic among straights, I've noticed.

But, for me the point is, people are gay and....now what?

Being gay can be a scary thing. Most gay men live in fear of their employers finding out, or live in fear of their family and friends finding out.

It can be a tough existance. Or you might live extremely lonely because you aren't interested in dating girls, but you don't have the freedom to pursue relationships with men. So...you hit bathrooms and what have you. Sad way to live.

It needs to change. Especially in the US. The US is a special country. It is unlike anyplace that exists today. The US is THE one place I believe should and will allow gay people to live free, really free.

"Why" some people are attracted to the same sex is worthwhile to study. But, dealing with gays fairly NOW is much more important.

Buf Bob,

I think he was talking to another Bob, before I jumped into the middle.

My bad...

Prolix,

I reread your post. I misunderstood you.

We do agree on the biological clock.

Prolix,

There are studies that claim there are differences between straight and gay men, hormonally.

I wouldn't be surprised if that is true. I mean, gay men prefer the scent of a man, instead of female odors. That's something they probably have in common with women. These studies are on to something.

However, you believe that straight men have a desire to procreate while gay men don't.

I don't know about that.

A common issue with gay men is the fact their life style will deny them the opportunity to be a father.

I believe there is a collective consciousness that runs deep through mankind, regardless if you're gay or straight.

Just because a man prefers sex with another man, doesn't mean he doesn't feel a biological clock.

Prolix,

I think the reason for the promiscuity with gay men is because, more often than not, it is the female in straight relationships that controls the frequency of sex.

Men peak, sexually, in their teens, early 20's. Women don't peak until much later.

So...put two horny young gay men together.

Need I say more?

It's your basic hormones. Gay men prefer each other, instead of a woman, but the hormones are the same.

Prolix,

"I do think that gay unions need to be protected or we will return to the dark days of closeted men which does no one any good.

You did prove my point though, that there is some form of immaturity evident in homosexuals."

You haven't known very many, have you?

btw...I have known some mighty immature straight mama's boys in my time.

Theonebs,

"So again the question: Why do homosexuals want marriage, when the statistics speak clearly against serial monogamy in a "committed" relationship?"

I have a question for you.

I do agree that gay men are, on the average, more promiscuous than straight men.

Is it possible that legal unions between gay men would encourage commitments?

Is it possible that legal unions between gay men would have an impact on these statistics?

Post,

It's unfortunate how often worry and fear influences our actions and beliefs.

Herm,

In my opinion, homosexuality is a little different from issues of race, nationality or simple prejudice.

Sure, in many ways it has many similarities.

But, if you were to read about the history of homosexuality, you would see that in MOST cultures in MOST moments in time, people had very strong feelings on the subject, and none were very positive.

It's beyond race. Gays aren't simply another minority. Hating faggots runs deep.

Sure, you can pass laws forcing straight men to behave themselves, and I have no illusion gays will ever be "accepted". Just look at all other moments in time in cultures where homosexuality was commonly done. There was still stigmas attached to the guys who were "receptive".

I do not for one second believe Gay Marriage is in the best interest of the gay community.

In the long run, CU would be more palatable for the straight world and would provide a foundation where straights and gays could coexist more peacefully.

Money,

I don't know if you are gay, but in my humble opinion straight people are not qualified to have an opinion on this subject.

Unless you are attracted to the same sex, you are not qualified to call anyone ignorant regarding the subject of gay equal rights.

I appreciate all the straight people coming out in defense of Gay Marriage. I just wish they'd go home because they don't know what they're setting gays up for.

Goat,

Agreed...

If America passes CU, I can say with assurance that men who are in Civil Unions with another man, are mostly likely doing it because they want to.

I doubt anyone is forcing them.

Goat,

I am not convinced Gay Marriage is a good idea.

Let's just suppose it goes to the Supreme Court and gays win.

Many straights will harbor a LOT of hard feelings toward gays. That would only make hatred towards gays worse.

I wish to see gay people live in peace, as well as obtain the rights they need.

Civil Unions are such a wonderful solution.

It accomplishes what I see as strongly needed for the gay community, and it's something straights can live with without feeling like they've been robbed by the courts and by gay activists.

Forcing gay marriage on America isn't the answer.

Gay people need full equal rights, and rightfully, marriage is defendable (since it isn't only a religous ceremony), but again CU work because everyone wins and that will be better in the long run.

I should have directed that request to Prolix.

Hans,

Gay Marriage aside...

Would you agree to Civil Unions on a federal level?

And...no cop out answer like, "they already can make contracts", etc.

Answer the question.

Would you accept Civil Unions for homosexual couples that provide the same benefits and rights as marriage, but without the word "marriage"?

Pro,

No...anyone who makes the claims that homosexuals are demanding access to children for sexual purposes is exactly what I described.

Now...I do not agree with all things that gay activasts propose.

I do not agree with books in elementary schools that display gay families as a "normal" alternative.

But, I don't believe gay men should be denied teaching positions or positions working with children simply due to their sexual orientation or because they are "out".

The Boy Scouts is a private organization so they can do what they want.

But, anyone who thinks gay troup leaders are simply wanting to get in the boys pants is simply operating from fear.

"Well according to Catholic sources the use of parts of the body for stimulation is appropriate so long as the parties are members of a class that has the capacity to consummate a relationship."

The Pope agrees...that makes it official.

"Are you suggesting that the ability to achieve orgasm should be the basis for conferring "rights?""

No...but YOU seem to think that plumbing is.

"Of course, the Zombie site linked to earlier on this thread, seems to indicate that there are many other paraphilias extant in the "homosexual community," among them sadism, masochism, bondage, domination, submission, beastiality, and of course exhibitionism and voyeurism"

You need to read better sites. That stuff will rot your brain.

"Beastiality"?? You are definitely reading the wrong sites.

"Those folks really like to party, and everyone is invited to participate. It's a "community party," displaying the nature of the malady"

Wow...I didn't know that. I sure missed out on a lot when I was out. Where was I at?

Hans,

It's interesting watching people who are filled with prejudice, irrational fears, and/or hatred defend their beliefs.

It's not agony. It's fairly entertaining.