#262 Great but I'm willing to bet your links are not contemporaneous with the actual time period (Jan 2021) or that they actually demonstrate what is "Common Knowledge". If you want to filter that down to which ones actually are, I'll take a look. I still say that the LACK of upside-down flags at the ACTUAL STOP THE STEAL RALLY is the most definitive evidence of whether it was common knowledge that this was a symbol of the STOP THE STEAL movement. Kinda hard to get past that one, Truth. You seem to be saying that EVERYONE knew it was a symbol of Stop the Steal EXCEPT the Stop the Steal people. Make that make sense.

You should try a little humility and rely on people who have studied the matter and/or are more knowledgeable than you. But you won't.#259 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-05-18 03:40 PM | Reply | Flag:
You have not presented a person who "studied the matter" and determined it was common knowledge at the time, Nationwide, OR in Alexandria VA, OR that Mrs. Alito was, or should have been aware of it, have you? Nope, you havent but still you try.

So if you really want me to guess, I would say she was really pissed off that the neighbor continually insulted her and decided that the upside-down flag would piss her off, so she did. It is also possible that it was an accumulation of the current events, an insurrection, impending constitutional crisis,etc making her feel that America was going to hell in a handbasket, and put it up the pole to reflect the "America in crisis" viewpoint. I would accept those possibilities as plausible, and would also accept that she raised it as a nod to "stop the steal" also plausible, and never said it wasn't. My whole point is we don't know and don't get to decide what was in her head.

Maybe Mr. Alito did raise the flag, but again, in absence of evidence to the contrary, I think we have to accept that as likely true. I'll bet there is video, because security is high in that neighborhood because of the wealth, and the frequent protests.

"So what's your theory on why she (or he) clearly had to go through serious machinations to reset the flag upside down? At this point it's "no reason at all", which doesn't pass the smell test. #255 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-05-18 03:28 PM | Reply | Flag: "

Wow Danforth, nobody ever asks me my opinion. I just spent 100 posts explaining why many assumptions are not supported by facts. It was assumed that I took the "opposite" position. I don't. I wouldn't say no reason at all. I would ask Mrs. Alito, because she is the only one who really knows why. I could guess, but don't see the point. In absence of evidence to the contrary, I go with what the person actually says.

I have never seen much point in interpretations like "but what she REALLY meant was...." , "What she was ACTUALLY IMPLYING is....." "He seemed to be suggesting that....." "He said....., but we all know what he was really thinking was.....". That is logically flawed and impossible to prove.

"The hidden meanings behind the far-right hate symbols on display during the US Capitol riot....Upside-down American flag. The US Capitol riot saw several American flags on display, but also a few upside-down flags."

Great post, still asking, Does a FEW out of THOUSANDS prove it was "common knowledge" and therefore irrefutable that is the reason Ms. Alito displayed it? Why the Australian link decoding American symbols?

Some of you seem to think my posts on this matter are about more than they are. My "schtick" as Gal would say, is misinformation, and unsupported media stories. My whole position here is not to support Republicans, Trump or even the Alitos. My position here is to counter the ridiculous and divisive ASSUMPTIONS that have launched from this flag story.

"You're right. And "egregiously wrong from the start" is clearly a firm position.Exactly when, and how, did the Epiphany occur?That's a fair question." #237 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-05-18 02:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

Yes, that is a fair question. The right time to take a firm position is in the court's official written opinion, and that is what he did. As for his "epiphany" I'm not sure that is even an appropriate question. Whether or not he "changed his mind" about Roe is irrelevant, because his personal opinions be irrelevant. A justice is EXPECTED to form his opinion from the legal arguments, presentation of evidence and body of law, not from his personal views. The courts opinion was 213 pages. I don't recall how many of those pages were Alitos writings, so I'd refer you there for your analysis. Regardless of whether you agree with the Dobbs ruling or not, you'd be hard pressed to say the 213 pages are simply his personal opinion.

BTW I pointed out that the upside-down flag is A symbol, not THE symbol, so your use after that information is a lie.#234 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-05-18 02:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

No what you said was that it is "the modern day equivalent of the confederate flag". Twice.

"You're not basing your opinion on what an expert who studied this issue says, you are basing it on a google scan of images from that date." Oh, I guess those weren't real? Maybe the FBI photoshopped out the upside-down flags so people like Mrs. Alito woldn't copycat? Do you know how stupid that sounds, that an "expert" can declare what was "common knowledge" in America about the symbls of the "Stop the Steal" movement, while completely ignoring all evidence of the "symbols" on display on Jan 6th?

So are you are saying it was common knowledge for everybody EXCEPT the people at the Capitol? Something tells me the expert didnt' actually reach that conclusion, but regardless, what is at issue here is whether Mrs. Alito knew what it symbolized. Did the "expert" talk to her? Nope, didn't think so. But YOU have, because you read minds, I keep forgetting.

"You are saying that it was a "miscalculation" to try ------- for his crimes because it would embolden his supporters.That is ------- terrorism-not doing something obviously appropriate for fear of how a group will react to it. #229 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-05-18 02:50 PM | Reply | Flag:
Nope, I didn't say that either, Captain Strawman. Read my words again. Your tendency to paraphrase is exhausting.

What I said was, "If anything, convicting Trump makes him a martyr in the eyes of his followers who see this as politicaly motivated. It makes them even more determined to turn out on election day. Big miscalculation on the part of those pushing the court cases."
Emphasis on "those pushing these court cases". I was talking about politicians, journalists and other "lock him up" advocates, plural, pushing court cases, plural, collectively. Prosecutors don't "push court cases".

When they swear to tell the truth and nothing but the truth during the Senate confirmation hearings?? Yes yes we can and should #226 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-05-18 02:45 PM | Reply | Flag:
We can and we should what? Ask them to give all their opinions on cases that may come before the court up front? Even before they are confirmed? Well then what is the point of having Justices?

#225 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-05-18 02:43 PM | Reply | Flag: "You still haven't looked up what he actually said, have you?" You still can't admit it was worlds apart from "egregiously wrong from the start"."

Well there is some circular reasoning. I was asking you to post t so I could see exactly which part you believe he was lying about, but you won't.

"Why don't you post the quote, and show us how he meant "egregiously wrong" even back then?"

He didn't. That's the whole point. He didn't express a firm position on it at all.

"You seem to be solely basing your conclusion on the few images you have reviewed of the 1/6 insurrection, that is well... not sufficient. #216 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-05-18 02:27 PM | Reply | Flag: "

Well I'm not basing it on a New York Times article from four years after the fact, but you do you. Read it again, and again and again if you think it proves what Ms. Alito was thinking in that moment. I'm basing on on published photos from that time period, photos of THOUSANDS of "Stop the Steal" insurrectionists 11 days prior, who were (apparently) unaware of the symbol of thier own movement. Except for maybe two of them. Refute that.

"Your argument is that ------- should not be tried for his crimes because it will, what? Upset his supporters? Isn't that the definition of terrorism? He committed crimes, our constitution demands he be held accountable, otherwise it will mean ----."

Nope didn't say that. There you go with the strawman again. you've got this false binary issue you really need to get some help processing. Everything with you is, you don't agree with THIs so you MUST agree with THAT.

#217 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-05-18 02:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

So clearly, the epiphany occurred after the hearing. All Alito needs to do is walk America through the incident, and how it radically changed him. I mean, at this point, honesty would be the best policy, right? #212 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-05-18 02:22 PM | Reply | Flag:"

You still haven't looked up what he actually said, have you? Or you didn't like it so you wont post it right here.

The prevailing sentiment here seems to be that Justices should not be allowed to express their opinions on issues that could appear before the court.....as they are expected to keep an open mind. Yet you advocate for forcing them to express and commit to an opinion during their confirmation hearings, on issues that could appear before the court. Can't have it both ways.

" Do the American voters have the right to know whether a candidate for president is convicted in a court of law for trying to overturn the presidential election? #203 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS AT 2024-05-18 02:08 PM | FLAG: "

Are you actually suggesting that the majority of American voters haven't already made up their minds about Trumps guilt? If anything, convicting Trump makes him a martyr in the eyes of his followers who see this as politicaly motivated. It makes them even more determined to turn out on election day. Big miscalculation on the part of those pushing the court cases.

"Just because YOU weren't aware of the FACT that it was common knowledge, it WAS common knowledge. ...Don't assume your ignorant opinion is actually reality" #196 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-05-18 01:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

My "ignorant opinion" is irrelevant. So is yours. Facts are important, and you have provided no evidence that it was common knowledge in January 2021, and I have provided factual evidence to the contrary. Please review the photos and video from Jan 6 and appproximate the proportion of right side up flags compared to upside down flags. Dontcha think if it was "common knowledge" that the upside down flag was the symbol of "Stop the Steal" that more than two people of the thousands of insurrectionists present would have turned their flags upside-down?

" Exactly what did he say at his confirmation hearing that was a lie?" Pretty much the opposite of "egregiously wrong from the start".
#195 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-05-18 01:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

Ill repeat the question. Exactly WHAT did he say in his confirmation hearing about Rowe V Wade? Do you need help finding the answer?