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It's not as if our defense spending is based on the needs of NATO. We have bases in Europe for our own purposes, not just for the defense of Europe. We're launching attacks against ISIL from Italy and Turkey, for example. It would be naive to conclude that we're doing that out of anything other than self-interest. The fact that we spend more on defense than the rest of the world combined has little, if anything, to do with what NATO countries spend on defense.

#31 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2017-05-26 10:25 AM | Reply | Flag

Agreed that our defense spending would still be ridiculously high and unnecessary without NATO. I've said many times that our defense budget is mostly corporate welfare. We're just talking about NATO here.

Disagree that the world police nonsense is done for the interests of the United States.

World policing is done on behalf of international corporations who have no inherent loyalty to or particular preference for the US. It is part of the intentional transfer of wealth from the middle and lower classes to the world elite. I think world policing should end almost entirely. But to the extent that it is going to continue because voters in NATO countries want it to continue, taxpayers in Europe should contribute their fair share. They vote for this crap over and over just like we do. They should buck up.

Even in the case of ISIL: ISIL isn't just attacking us. Most of their attacks have been against other countries, in fact. We aren't attacking ISIL purely for our own interests. Having NATO countries fulfill their commitments would not prevent us from attacking ISIL either. Getting rid of NATO completely wouldn't prevent us from attacking ISIL either.

It's not as if our defense spending is based on the needs of NATO. We have bases in Europe for our own purposes, not just for the defense of Europe. We're launching attacks against ISIL from Italy and Turkey, for example. It would be naive to conclude that we're doing that out of anything other than self-interest. The fact that we spend more on defense than the rest of the world combined has little, if anything, to do with what NATO countries spend on defense.

#31 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2017-05-26 10:25 AM | Reply | Flag

Agreed that our defense spending would still be ridiculously high and unnecessary without NATO. I've said many times that our defense budget is mostly corporate welfare. We're just talking about NATO here. But if necessary I can say in every post that our budget is wasteful even without NATO.

Disagree that the world police nonsense is done for the interests of the United States.

World policing is done on behalf of international corporations who have no inherent loyalty to or particular preference for the US. It is part of the intentional transfer of wealth from the middle and lower classes to the world elite. I think world policing should end almost entirely. But to the extent that it is going to continue because voters in NATO countries want it to continue, taxpayers in Europe should contribute their fair share. They vote for this crap over and over just like we do. They should buck up.

Even in the case of ISIL: ISIL isn't just attacking us. Most of their attacks have been against other countries, in fact. We aren't attacking ISIL purely for our own interests. Having NATO countries fulfill their commitments would not prevent us from attacking ISIL either. Getting rid of NATO completely wouldn't prevent us from attacking ISIL either.

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