Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Monday, July 22, 2019

The prevailing conventional wisdom among Republicans and many Democrats is that Trump semi-successfully redirected attention from negative stories about himself, from the swirling Epstein controversy to the horrific conditions of children in cages at the border brought on by Trump's cruel immigration policies, to Democrats. That "wisdom" is anything but.

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First, it's increasingly clear that there wasn't much of an active strategy to it. Instead, Trump simply tweeted in anger in response to a Fox and Friends segment, and his people have been running damage control ever since.

Second,... there is actually very little to indicate that Squad's policies, from Medicare for All to the Green New Deal, are unpopular in key states and districts. Instead, it has far more to do with the fact that they are smart, energetic young women of color in Congress who tend to terrify the mostly older white conservatives who make up Trump's base. Trump is playing identity politics....

Third, it was an incredibly unpopular rant that will have lost him more voters than he gained. A new CBS poll shows that 60% of Americans disagree with his comments. In a Reuters/Ipsos poll shortly after the "send her back" tweets, Trump had indeed picked up 5 points among Republicans (which says much about the Republican base), but lost a whopping 10 points among independents, and 2 points among Democrats. Picking up 5 while losing 12 is not a good trade.

Fourth, not only was it a failed tactic it's not clear that even the overarching strategy was smart or useful. Uniting Democrats in anger against GOP bigotry is in no way good for them. Forcing even the most centrist Democrat to stand against racist attacks on Ilhan Omar and Ayanna Pressley doesn't hurt those moderate Democrats: they can easily defend the basic principle of American pluralism and decency without agreeing with them on every statement or policy angle as needed. Nor will voters scared off by the sight of Ocasio-Cortez or Rashida Tlaib be likely to vote for even the most moderate Democrat, anyway.

Finally, it's not as if the distraction–if we can even call it that–will have bought the Republicans anything useful. And, while Trump likely doesn't care about any consequence that outlasts him, it also does continuing harm to the Republican Party's ability to function as a viable national political entity as Millennials as non-whites become increasingly dominant in the electorate.

#1 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-07-22 07:18 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Trump is acting like he was hurt by it. I'll go with that.

#2 | Posted by Zed at 2019-07-22 07:42 AM | Reply

It got the news media to stop looking at his past pedophile activities.

#3 | Posted by kudzu at 2019-07-22 10:52 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

It got the news media to stop looking at his past pedophile activities.

#3 | Posted by kudzu

And what does Trump have up his sleeve when it comes to how he's going to distract us from Mueller's testimony on Wednesday? My bet is on him doing something cringe-worthy with respect to Iran, perhaps sending a few cruise missiles in to damage a nuclear facility or the Navy taking out a couple of Iranian patrol boats, anything to get the media off the Mueller story and onto something that he'll be able to leverage for his 2020 campaign.

OCU

#4 | Posted by OCUser at 2019-07-22 11:12 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

I agree with this, other than momentarily deflecting from him and Acosta, nothing good for Trump has come from this idiocy.

#4

90% of the people have moved on, the Mueller testimony is so attenuated from the Report's release at this point that unless something earthshaking happens on Wednesday, most people will remain tuned out.

#5 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-22 11:57 AM | Reply

Mueller's testimony may prove to be better 'theater' than anyone could imagine. After all, what with Trump and Barr telling lies and now Trump laying out his 'racism-based' reelection strategy, who knows, Mueller may decide that it's time for a REAL patriot to stand-up and be counted. He may decide to candidly answer ALL of the questions put forth by the Congressmen, even if they go beyond what was in his report.

OCU

#6 | Posted by OCUser at 2019-07-22 01:16 PM | Reply

Mueller may decide that it's time for a REAL patriot to stand-up and be counted. #6 | Posted by OCUser at 2019-07-22 01:16 PM
Tired of waiting for a Democrat to save you and now you're resorting to hoping that a Republican can do the job that the Democrats are incapable or unwilling to do?

#7 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-07-22 01:31 PM | Reply

Tired of waiting for a Democrat to save you and now you're resorting to hoping that a Republican can do the job that the Democrats are incapable or unwilling to do?

#7 | Posted by Avigdore

I think he's hoping for Mueller to put a finer point on his findings so that idiots and tools can't distort them to get their sycophant itch scratched.

#8 | Posted by jpw at 2019-07-22 02:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

- That "wisdom" is anything but.

Nu-uh! He's playing you! - Sentenal

#9 | Posted by Corky at 2019-07-22 02:28 PM | Reply

Donald Trump Calls Lawmakers ‘Racist' After His Own Racist Attacks On Them

President Donald Trump tweeted on Monday that four congresswomen, all people of color ― Reps. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.), Rashida Tlaib (D-Mich.), Ayanna Pressley (D-Mass.) and Ilhan Omar (D-Minn.), known colloquially as "the Squad" ― are "a very Racist group of troublemakers." The hypocritical tweet comes after a week of Trump's repeated, racist comments about the congresswomen.

Yeah, it's always the Democrats calling other people racists....

#10 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-07-22 02:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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"Nu-uh! He's playing you! - Sentenal"

Whoever this Sentenal person is, they might be right. The election is still far off. Trump has proven that he can still control the narrative and get crazies like Rep. Erica Thomas to come out of the woodwork with the push of a button.

#11 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-07-22 03:56 PM | Reply

Wake me up when democrat voters are willing to stand in line for 7 to 9 hours to hear their parties candidate speak...

-crickets-

Yea, I thought so...

ol Trumpy knows what he's doing... doesn't even have to work that hard to do it as democrats keep handing him more and more rope...

Come 2020, a lot of democrat candidates will just be hanging around... nothing to do but frown...lazy day's and Monday's always get me down...

Karen, Marie Osmund says you got 20 more pounds to loose...

#12 | Posted by Pegasus at 2019-07-22 04:04 PM | Reply

"President Donald Trump tweeted on Monday that four congresswomen, all people of color

Trump, as much of a douchebag as he is, has never once made reference to the race or skin tone of any of these women. The people bringing attention to that are race-baiting, and since apparently we all agree that race-baiting is form of racism now, they deserve to be called racist.

#13 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-07-22 04:04 PM | Reply

Wake me up when democrat voters are willing to stand in line for 7 to 9 hours to hear their parties candidate speak...

#12 | Posted by Pegasus

Unfortunately, Democrats are often forced to stand in line for 7 to 9 hours in order to VOTE!

OCU

#14 | Posted by OCUser at 2019-07-22 04:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 8

Unfortunately, Democrats are often forced to stand in line for 7 to 9 hours in order to bathe!

OMG

#15 | Posted by Spork at 2019-07-22 06:49 PM | Reply

Trump, as much of a douchebag as he is, has never once made reference to the race or skin tone of any of these women. The people bringing attention to that are race-baiting, and since apparently we all agree that race-baiting is form of racism now, they deserve to be called racist.

Yeah, he just made the assumption they came from countries with predominantly dark pigmented people in them. By accident.

#16 | Posted by zarnon at 2019-07-23 09:30 AM | Reply

Wake me up when democrat voters are willing to stand in line for 7 to 9 hours to hear their parties candidate speak...

#12 | POSTED BY PEGASUS

Well... since Democrats aren't all unemployed incels, they don't have the time to waste a whole day waiting to see a politician speak.

But, since their cult leader makes them feel less like losers for a while, mainly because he makes it seem OK to be racist and bigoted (the losers blame women and immigrants for their lack of success), they are willing to spend whatever amount of time necessary to bask in his radiant racism.

#17 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-07-23 09:58 AM | Reply

Trump, as much of a douchebag as he is, has never once made reference to the race or skin tone of any of these women.

#13 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

Making a racist comment is making a reference to the color of someone's skin, whether or not there is any actual reference made to skin color.

It sounds like you are saying that referencing someone's skin color (in a non-derogatory way) is WORSE than making a derogatory and racist comment (that doesn't directly mention skin color).

#18 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-07-23 10:06 AM | Reply

Please Libs, for the love of God or whatever you find holy, stop being stupid!!!!!! Think about what you are doing before making these kinds of ridiculous articles. You are the very epitome of the meaning of the song "Sound of Silence". YOU turned the whole issue into race and now you are trying to demonize him for making it about race, even though YOU are the ones who made it about race. You made up your own problem and are now trying to make everyone believe you are holier than thou. That's been the Liberal MO since Trump got in office. And, as I've said before, it's a rather pathetic one considering Trump does a damn good job all on his own to make himself look like an idiot. But I guess that's not enough for Libs. His idiocy only fills up a part of the Liberal hate meter so you have to make up more fake issues to fuel the partisan hate meter all the way to full.

"Making a racist comment is making a reference to the color of someone's skin, whether or not there is any actual reference made to skin color."

You are exactly right...yet you still can't provide any evidence of Trump doing that. Unless you are illogically concluding that skin color and nationality are synonymous...in which I'd have to tell you how unbelievably absurd that statement is, and racist under your own definition you just provided. As if a person from a specific country has to be a specific skin color. I guess, to you, anyone who doesn't have the same skin color as one of the Squad's country of origin or heritage doesn't actually exist, huh? So all of those people are just nothing to you. That's pretty sad.

If people filled with partisan hate would actually think logically, we could avoid so much of this petty arguing.

#19 | Posted by humtake at 2019-07-23 12:16 PM | Reply

"Yeah, he just made the assumption they came from countries with predominantly dark pigmented people in them. By accident."

You're acting as if he personally hand-picked the members of 'The Squad', only two of whom have dark pigmentated skin, btw.

#20 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-07-23 12:24 PM | Reply

"Making a racist comment is making a reference to the color of someone's skin, whether or not there is any actual reference made to skin color."

The fact of the matter is, there was no reference to skin color, even implicitly. The racists of color disingenuously brought 'race' into it, just like they did when Speaker Pelosi criticized the exact same group of people.

#21 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-07-23 12:31 PM | Reply

"Unless you are illogically concluding that skin color and nationality are synonymous"

Race isn't a logical construct to begin with.

If you look at the Census form, examples of race are white, black, Thai, Samoan, etc.

So sometimes, race and rationality are synonymous.

#22 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-23 12:55 PM | Reply

If you look at the Census form, only East Asians and Pacific Islanders are divided up by nationality. So even if you accept this dubious standard, I don't know what point you're trying to make.

#23 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-07-23 01:02 PM | Reply

There will remain a fundamental misunderstanding behind the strategy of Trump and the racist comments, innuendo, rallies with racist chants, etc....

Like I've said, I think Trump will lose......but just barely.

And I disagree with the article....it's helping Trump more than folks realize.

#24 | Posted by eberly at 2019-07-23 01:07 PM | Reply

The fact of the matter is, there was no reference to skin color, even implicitly.

#21 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

You have four women...

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez*
Ilhan Omar
Ayanna Pressley*
Rashida Tlaib*

Please tell me what countries they are "from" such that they should "go back" to them. If, for any reason, you say that one of the women with a star next to her name is not "from" the US, then please explain why you would think that is the case. If you list the US as a country that they should "go back" to, then please tell me what exactly that means, considering that they are currently here.

Maybe this is all a big misunderstanding. My interpretation in reading the tweet is that Donald Trump does not think that the four women are "from" the US. The ONLY reason I can think of that he would think these women are not "from" the US is because of their appearance/heritage/skin color. Now, if my interpretation of his tweet is correct, either he actually believed that they were not born here, or he thinks that their heritage means that they are not "real" Americans (even though they were born here). Either one is racist.

I have explained the full thought process to you. Please explain to me where you think the flaw is such that YOU think the tweet was NOT racist (and in fact had nothing to do with skin color - that he would have tweeted the exact same tweet to a group of four white women, or men).

#25 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-07-23 01:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Whether or not the racist distractions help or hurt Trump, he's winning 2020.

The fix is in, you can bet on it.

#26 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-23 02:04 PM | Reply

"If you look at the Census form, only East Asians and Pacific Islanders are divided up by nationality."

Those are just examples.
A person's race can be whatever they say it is.

#27 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-23 03:11 PM | Reply

An Illinois Republican group has apologized and removed from its Facebook page a post that showed images of four Democratic congresswomen who have been criticized by President Donald Trump and referred to them as the "Jihad Squad."

The post appeared Friday night on the Republican County Chairman's Association page. The Chicago Tribune reported that it showed images of Reps. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Ilhan Omar, Ayanna Pressley and Rashida Tlaib on a poster that said: "Political jihad is their game," and "If you don't agree with their socialist ideology, you're racist."

Mark Shaw, president of the GOP group, condemned what he called an "unauthorized" post and apologized to anyone who was offended.

The Detroit Press

Comparing them to terrorists is just disagreeing with their policy!

#28 | Posted by Derek_Wildstar at 2019-07-23 03:22 PM | Reply

The fact of the matter is, there was no reference to skin color, even implicitly.
#21 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

HAHA! You see only what you (and Trump) wants you to see. Pull your head out of the sand.

The POTUS is a racist.

#29 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-07-23 03:34 PM | Reply

And I disagree with the article....it's helping Trump more than folks realize.

#24 | POSTED BY EBERLY

I agree.

Short-term, I think this hurt Trump.

But, because he's keeping up the attacks and the media keep reporting on it, he's keeping the spotlight on these loons causing them to every increasingly be the face of the Democratic Party.

Long term, this may benefit Trump.

#30 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-23 03:42 PM | Reply

The Southern Strategy has been working for longer than most of us here have been alive. And Trump just put a fresh coat of paint on it.

#31 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-23 03:46 PM | Reply

#31 What a crock. Democrats fan the race flames on a daily basis. It's the last shackle and democrats are the keeper.

#32 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-23 04:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-Long term, this may benefit Trump.

yes, but I have a different reason why it helps him.

the most vocal and aggressive of Trump's opponents in the media can't control their anger.

They wind up attacking Trump's supporters which seem to remain in tact. They continue to believe the "RACIST!!" chant will separate supporters from Trump...but it's not working.

so...the outrage towards trump turns towards his supporters....and at the same time....they wind up offending and outright pissing off the undecideds and moderates who still have an open mind.

Having an open mind and still being an independent enrages the far left to the point where they've declared that unless you're a committed democratic party voter...you're a goddamn racist.

and they're saying that to moderates they could still have as a voter.....but no....they won't have them after that.

This is why I think Trump continues to forge ahead with bigoted and racist innuendo.

#33 | Posted by eberly at 2019-07-23 04:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Ebs,

I agree with #33. I think both are at play here.

#34 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-23 04:18 PM | Reply

"The ONLY reason I can think of that he would think these women are not "from" the US is because of their appearance/heritage/skin color."

Nah, I don't believe you. I think you know they weren't singled out because of that and you're quite aware it had more to do with Ilham Omar's comments about natural born citizens, and the fact they were already a "team" who were acting obnoxious towards the leader of their own party.

I'm starting to believe now that Trump also did this as a favor to Pelosi, since they were apparently working behind the scenes to get a budget deal, which the Squad would've gone apesh*t over if he hadn't diverted their attention away from her.

#35 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-07-23 07:06 PM | Reply

"Comparing them to terrorists is just disagreeing with their policy!"

This has never happened before in the history politics. Certainly not here at the DRetrort.

#36 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-07-23 07:09 PM | Reply

If people Presidents filled with partisan hate would actually think logically, we could avoid so much of this petty arguing.

#19 | Posted by humtake

FTFY

#37 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-07-23 07:31 PM | Reply

We shall see. The world is watching.

#38 | Posted by fresno500 at 2019-07-23 10:31 PM | Reply

Two old tweets just resurfaced:

twitter.com
twitter.com

I will say that Omar didn't actually call for anyone to be deported, but in order to acknowledge that you also have to acknowledge that Trump's tweet didn't actually say what many claim it did.

#39 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-07-23 10:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#39 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

Your post will be ignored because they don't care about anything or anyone but their Orange Rage Mob narrative.

#40 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-23 11:00 PM | Reply

Trump criticized what these women said, not their race or ethnicity. What they have said deserves to be criticized. Seems no one else has the guts.

#41 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-07-24 07:21 AM | Reply

#35 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

I honestly have no idea what you are talking about. Can you provide some links (especially to comments about "natural born citizens"... can't find a reference to that on google)?

And I don't understand how "acting obnoxious to the leader of their own party" means that Donald Trump would think they were not born in the US. Can you explain that further?

You need to be a little more clear on what you are trying to say if you want me to understand you. Are you saying that because Omar was not born in the US and she is part of the "team" then he was talking about her and painting the rest of them with a broad brush (assuming that because one of them was foreign, all of them were)?

And you are saying that you believe he would have told a group of four white American born Congresswomen to "go back" to other countries in a similar situation?

I am truly just trying to understand your thought process here.

#42 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-07-24 09:29 AM | Reply

#42 | Posted by gtbritishskull, Get the complete quote by Trump.

#43 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-07-24 09:50 AM | Reply

Trump criticized what these women said, not their race or ethnicity. What they have said deserves to be criticized. Seems no one else has the guts.

#41 | POSTED BY DOCNJO

Oh... I truly believe that he was not trying to "be racist" by criticizing their race or ethnicity. It just showed that he "is racist".

He assumed that they were not "real" Americans BECAUSE OF THEIR RACE. So, he basically said that they had no right to criticize "us" because they are not one of "us" and that they should "go back" to where they were from. THAT is racist. The assumption that because a person is not white that they are not an American.

As far as what he was actually trying to criticize, I honestly don't care. How many REPUBLICANS (Congressmen, Congresswomen, members of the administration, etc) refuse to comment on what Donald Trump says on twitter? REPUBLICANS don't think his shrieking on twitter is worth commenting on, why should I take it seriously. He does so much crying and screaming and whining about all sorts of different people, and 90% is just a little snowflake lashing out because his fee-fees are hurt. Why should I even spend time to try to understand his opinions of other people, when people from his OWN PARTY (the party he is the leader of) think most of his "opinions" are just a bunch of noise.

This tweet was significant because it showed something about TRUMP. That is the only real information that comes from his twitter account. Anyone with two braincells to rub together (be they Republican OR Democrat) knows anything Trump says about someone else (or any other information he tries to share) nine times out of ten (or probably more) is just useless angry BS.

The thing that is significant here is that his racism just "slipped out". It is a true reflection of who he is. And I don't think most of the Conservatives here are trying to "defend racism". They just don't see it. Their racism also just "slips out" because they show that they can't even SEE the racism that is right in front of them. They think the racist comments and thought processes are normal.

#44 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-07-24 09:51 AM | Reply

#43 | POSTED BY DOCNJO

"So interesting to see "Progressive" Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning government at all), now loudly......"
"....and viciously telling the people of the United States, the greatest and most powerful Nation on earth, how our government is to be run. Why don't they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how...."
"....it is done. These places need your help badly, you can't leave fast enough. I'm sure that Nancy Pelosi would be very happy to quickly work out free travel arrangements!"

Went back and found the complete tirade on twitter. Seems like my last post was accurate. That he was telling them that they should not criticize how the US is run because they are not "from here".

Am I missing something? What do YOU see in this series of tweets that shows their statements "deserve[s] to be criticized"?

Because all I see of relevance to "criticism" is the racist undertones. The assumption that these (American born) Congresswomen "originally came from [other] countries" and that they should not be telling us how "our" (because he obviously does not think it is "their") government should be run. Basically I read this as they have no right to criticize the US government because they are not (real) Americans.

Would you ever say the same thing about a white person, for example Donald Trump? Should he not criticize how "our" government is run? Should he "go back" to other countries and "fix" them instead?

I am honestly trying to understand here. I read this tweet and the racism is glaringly obvious. I want to understand how people like you do not see it at all. And instead think that it is a valid "criticism" of these Congresswomen.

#45 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-07-24 10:09 AM | Reply

"I honestly have no idea what you are talking about. Can you provide some links (especially to comments about "natural born citizens"... can't find a reference to that on google)?"

Here's the video where she made the statement. www.youtube.com

I get what she was trying to say, but it was still a boneheaded statement that was fodder for her political opponents.

You need to be a little more clear on what you are trying to say if you want me to understand you. Are you saying that because Omar was not born in the US and she is part of the "team" then he was talking about her and painting the rest of them with a broad brush (assuming that because one of them was foreign, all of them were)?

Yes, he was painting with a broad brush, just like he's painting all of his political opponents with a broad brush. I believe his statement was primarily directed at Omar, and he was trying to lump the rest of the Squad in with her just like he's trying to lump the rest of the Democrats in with the Squad.

"And you are saying that you believe he would have told a group of four white American born Congresswomen to "go back" to other countries in a similar situation?"

If a group of first or second generation Scandinavian Socialists were his political opponents and were on record talking about how "ashamed" they are of the country, I have no doubt that he would have phrased the tweet the same way. (Never mind the fact that two of the four women in this case are technically "white", even though they're not Scandinavian-white.)

And he never told anyone to "go back", any more than Omar called for anyone to be deported in the tweet I linked to in #39.

#46 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-07-24 11:07 AM | Reply

#46 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

Thank you for the response.

Don't get me wrong, his tweet was still racist. But it is helpful for me to see what mental gymnastics people go through to defend racism so that they can continue to believe that they are not actually racist.

Your explanation for what Trump was thinking is logically consistent (though it strains credulity to the breaking point), so I realize that I am not going to convince you that it is wrong.

And you are not going to change my opinion either. President Covfefe just vomits the voices in his head onto twitter (spelling mistakes and all). If something is actually consistent (Congresswomen, governments, countries) then you can be darned sure that is what he thinks. And it is clear that he is talking about multiple women who "originally came from" multiple countries.

#47 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-07-24 02:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#47 | Posted by gtbritishskull It isn't racism if it is true. Black people have a serious crime problem, 90%+ of back homicide victims are murdered by other black people, half the prison population is black, and black people are five times more likely to be victims of serious crime. But that is all whitey's fault. Give me a break. Muslims commit 99% of terrorist acts world wide, but the teachings of Islam have nothing to do with that. SURE. There are a minimum of 12 million illegal aliens within our borders and they are the best inhabitants here. The crap is getting deep, I need my waders. In reality Mexicans love to drive drunk, beat their wives and girl friends and kill each other. But you will never hear that from the corporate news. Remember where they come from, the murder rate is four times ours. Spousal abuse is laughed off and drunk driving is the national sport.

#48 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-07-24 07:04 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"90%+ of back homicide victims are murdered by other black people"

Whereas for whites, it's something like 80% of whites are murdered by other white people.
Funny how you aren't also saying whites have a serious crime problem because of their race...

Now, if you realty want to see numbers that aren't comparable, look at people getting killed by their lovers:
"Nearly Half of All Murdered Women Are Killed by Romantic Partners"
For men, 5-7% are killed by intimate partners.
www.theatlantic.com

Men have a serious crime problem when it comes to murdering the women they love.

#49 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-24 07:16 PM | Reply

#48 | POSTED BY DOCNJO

LOL. Great Archie Bunker impression!

#50 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-24 07:18 PM | Reply

Men have a serious crime problem when it comes to murdering the women they love.
#49 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

That's not love, that's commitment!

#51 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-24 07:20 PM | Reply

"Your explanation for what Trump was thinking is logically consistent (though it strains credulity to the breaking point), so I realize that I am not going to convince you that it is wrong."

Something is either logically consistent or it isn't. If it "strains credulity" for you, then it must be for illogical reasons.

"And it is clear that he is talking about multiple women who "originally came from" multiple countries.."

Would you still call it racism if they "originally came from" countries that you consider to be "white"?

#52 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-07-24 08:27 PM | Reply

Would you still call it racism if they "originally came from" countries that you consider to be "white"?

^
LOL.
Your quest to understand racism is turning into a China Syndrome event.

#53 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-24 08:32 PM | Reply

Would you still call it racism if they "originally came from" countries that you consider to be "white"?

#52 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

Uhhh... since three of them "originally come from" the US, then he DID?

I don't know what countries he thinks they came from. They could have been white. It doesn't really matter. Because they didn't come from them. (Bad idea to try to hard to figure out what is actually going on in President Covfefe's brain)

But it is pretty clear that HE thinks they are "foreign", and the only reason that anyone can come up with as to WHY he would think these CONGRESSWOMEN were "foreigners" is because of the way they look (not like him).

And I don't remember him ever complaining that any white people should "go back" to countries they "originally came from". Especially any white people who were born in the US. So, if he ever did say that I would say he was an idiot, and say he should be removed from office because he is going senile.

Was that your point? Are you trying to say that he is a senile idiot (who just had bad luck in who he targeted during one of his "episodes") instead of a racist?

#54 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-07-24 08:46 PM | Reply

"Something is either logically consistent or it isn't."

Race isn't logically consistent.
Your application of "logic" to an illogical construct imbue it with a logic it doesn't have to begin with.

Don't you know that?
???

#55 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-24 08:58 PM | Reply

#54- I started to respond to your post, but then I realized that you're moving goalposts and doing the same mental gymnastics you accused me of doing. I think you know your argument does not stand up to logical scrutiny, especially this part:

"the only reason that anyone can come up with as to WHY he would think these CONGRESSWOMEN were "foreigners" is because of the way they look (not like him)"

Why not just admit that's the only reason you're willing to entertain, and you're just going to ignore all others, as you demonstrably have in this thread? Your so wound up over this guy that you're looking for any reason to bash him at every opportunity

#56 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-07-24 11:01 PM | Reply

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