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Thursday, July 18, 2019

One of the largest protests in Puerto Rico's history erupted into violent clashes Wednesday night between demonstrators demanding the governor's resignation and officers in riot gear who shot tear gas and rubber bullets into the packed crowds.

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It seems like only yesterday that the Left was blaming all of Puerto Rico's problems on Trump...

#1 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-18 12:11 PM | Reply

Don't expect many posts on this thread.

#2 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-07-18 12:14 PM | Reply

Don't expect many posts on this thread.

I'm not, after all, it is brown people protesting corruption of other brown people, all of whom happen to be Democrats, so they don't matter to the DR Left.

#3 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-18 12:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

That island has been corrupt forever.

#4 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-18 12:27 PM | Reply

Who cares if they are corrupt as hell? We need to give them statehood so we get 2 more Democrat Senators. Power is the only thing that counts.

#5 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-07-18 12:41 PM | Reply

I'm not, after all, it is brown people protesting corruption of other brown people, all of whom happen to be Democrats, so they don't matter to the DR Left.
#3 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

Well it could be that they don't have the "brown voice" ....

"We don't need any more brown faces that don't want to be a brown voice. We don't need black faces that don't want to be a black voice. We don't need Muslims that don't want to be a Muslim voice. We don't need ------ that don't want to be a ----- voice."
twitter.com

#6 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-07-18 12:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#6

In Pressley's world, a "brown voice" will only echo the Narrative that she and the rest of the Netroots crown so desperately needs to push.

Calling out decades of Democratic corruption in Puerto Rico as the main cause of that island's woes is counter Narrative, so it can't be truly a "brown voice."

#7 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-18 01:05 PM | Reply

crown => crowd

#8 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-18 01:06 PM | Reply

"Who cares if they are corrupt as hell? We need to give them statehood so we get 2 more Democrat Senators. Power is the only thing that counts."

But it's ok and you love it when the majority is overruled during Presidential races. Cuz you care about fairness...riiiiiigggghhhhtttt!!!!

#9 | Posted by danni at 2019-07-18 01:16 PM | Reply

"That island has been corrupt forever."

So has Donald Trump.

#10 | Posted by danni at 2019-07-18 01:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#10 Spot on, Danni. Post of the day in my book.

#11 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-07-18 01:21 PM | Reply

What does Trump have to do with Puerto Rico being a bastion of democrat malfeasance, incompetence, and corruption?

And Gal thinks this is "spot on"? Both of you need to explain your blindly ignoring the subject of the article.

#12 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-18 01:27 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

#10 and 11

Back on topic, Danni (along with TPTony) was one of the most vocal about how Puerto Rico's problems were all Trump's fault during the clean up for Maria.

Care to address the actual topic of the thread or are you just going to keep deflecting to Trump?

#13 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-18 01:28 PM | Reply

Who said they were related? I didn't, nor did I think Danni was making that claim.

#14 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-07-18 01:31 PM | Reply

Both of you need to explain your blindly ignoring the subject of the article.

Sufferers of advanced TDS don't really care about anything other than the destruction of Donald Trump.

While I expected this of Danni, I am frankly disappointed with Gal's response in #11.

#15 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-18 01:32 PM | Reply

#14

It was an obvious deflection and you jumped in with both feet.

#16 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-18 01:32 PM | Reply

You guys: PR has been corrupt forever!!!!

You guys: On Trump's life of corruption: Crickets.

That's how I read her comment.

#17 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-07-18 01:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"#14
It was an obvious deflection and you jumped in with both feet."

You say deflection, I say hypocrisy. Let's call the whole thing off.

#18 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-07-18 01:35 PM | Reply

You guys: On Trump's life of corruption: Crickets.

BS, I have been railing against his NY Real Estate Developer tendencies since he announced.

But that isn't the topic of the thread and you both know it.

Care to tackle that, or is it too scary for you?

#19 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-18 01:37 PM | Reply

You say deflection, I say hypocrisy. Let's call the whole thing off.

Funny, but not accurate: It was a deflection, and the only hypocrisy is your failure to address the topic of the thread.

#20 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-18 01:39 PM | Reply

Drain The Swamp!

#21 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-18 01:39 PM | Reply

"BS, I have been railing against his NY Real Estate Developer tendencies since he announced."

With the caveat that those "tendencies" are common place and part of what is necessary to be a NY Real Estate Developer, so, no, you haven't been "railing against" his "tendencies" that I have seen.

#22 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-07-18 01:40 PM | Reply

Once again, how is Donald Trump's lifetime of corruption in NYC in any way related to decades of corruption in Puerto Rico that its residents are now protesting against?

#23 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-18 01:40 PM | Reply

#22

Pro tip: The thread is about Puerto Rico, not about Trump, no matter how desperately you try to deflect.

#24 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-18 01:42 PM | Reply

Pro tip: Sometimes a retort is just a retort.

#25 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-07-18 01:52 PM | Reply

#25

I will take that as a "no, I'm not going to touch this topic."

#26 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-18 01:57 PM | Reply

If Republicans had a better vision for Puerto Rico, they'd offer it up.
But they don't. All they have is "Democrats are bad!"

#27 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-18 02:58 PM | Reply

If Republicans had a better vision for Puerto Rico, they'd offer it up.

There have only been two GOP affiliated Governors in Puerto Rico's US history, and Luis Fortuño Burset, the last GOP affiliated Governor tried to balance Puerto Rico's budget, eliminate corruption and proposed two Constitutional Amendments to reduce the size of the PR House and Senate to better reflect Puerto Rico's size and demographics and to allocate a permanent % of the budget to infrastructure. Mass protests by government employees killed the balanced budget and corruption initiatives and both of those amendments were opposed by the Popular Democratic party and were voted down.

#28 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-18 03:52 PM | Reply

"Pro tip: The thread is about Puerto Rico, not about Trump, no matter how desperately you try to deflect."

You made your first comment with the impression that you think Puerto Rico is more corrupt than the U.S. If we elected a man like Trump I think it indicates that we aren't less corruppt than Puerto Rico.

#29 | Posted by danni at 2019-07-18 04:03 PM | Reply

#29

By all rational indicators, Puerto Rico is much more corrupt than the US has ever been, and most of the corruption that is subject to the indictments and being complained about happened in the last 8 years, mostly pre-Maria from 2011 to 2017.

#30 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-18 05:11 PM | Reply

"There have only been two GOP affiliated Governors in Puerto Rico's US history"

Like I said, no better vision for Puerto Rico.
As in, Republicans in Congress can't think of anything the Federal government ought to do to help.

#31 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-18 05:18 PM | Reply

#31

By law the US government has limited options on what it can do for Puerto Rico, which is mostly why both Democrats and Republicans have just thrown money at the island for over 100 years.

#32 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-18 05:48 PM | Reply

"By law"

Who writes the law?

Like I said, no better vision for Puerto Rico.

#33 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-18 06:17 PM | Reply

Republicans in Congress can't think of anything the Federal government ought to do to help.

#31 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2019-07-18 05:18 PM | FLAG: So then what's the dims plan?

#34 | Posted by MSgt at 2019-07-18 06:31 PM | Reply

#33

Actually, as a territory of the United States and under it's Commonwealth Constitution, Puerto Rico writes its own laws regarding budgets, infrastructure and criminal code.

#35 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-18 06:46 PM | Reply

#35 That's still within Congressional power to change.

#36 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-18 06:48 PM | Reply

"So then what's the dims plan?"

Pretty sure at least one has suggested statehood...

#37 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-18 06:49 PM | Reply

#36

Not really, which is why Gov. Fortuño Burset proposed two Constitutional Amendments to address the endemic corruption and infrastructure problems, which were voted down with stringent opposition by the Popular Democratic Party.

#37

Which has also been voted down, twice, by the Puerto Ricans.

#38 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-18 07:21 PM | Reply

"#36
Not really"

Yes really.

#39 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-18 07:57 PM | Reply

Oh yeah?

Yeah!

Oh yeah?

Yeah!

rinse/repeat

#40 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-18 08:07 PM | Reply

I got an ideal, let's grant PR independence. Let them align with Cuba. Cuba costs us nothing, PR costs us billions every year.

#41 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-07-19 09:27 AM | Reply

I have been reading the comments and just SMH.

How about this, several of you want to rant and rave about "corruption" in Puerto Rico and "the left blaming all the problems in PR on Trump". And that is just simply being willfully ignorant. Do you even know what the protests are about?

To begin, the "left" didn't blame ALL of PR's problems on Trump or even the GOP BTW - but be completely honest they BOTH contributed significantly to most of the biggest problems in PR today. Whether it was Trump and the abject failure of disaster relief or congress's double standard not providing the same kind of relief as red states get or for that matter going further back and limiting PR's options on debt relief unlike what states enjoy - without representation I will add.

From what I have read/heard they are not all about corruption per se but rather politicians behaving very badly privately and getting caught doing it. Bad jokes about having people murdered, misogynism, trying to manipulate the media, the mayor of San Juan, etc. Yes, there were elements to what the Governor and his circle talked about that were corruption in my opinion but that wasn't the only thing that PO'd the people.

What is the Difference between Puerto Rico and the GOP? The people of Puerto Rico want them OUT in a huge way and the GOP voters elected Trump knowing it so F--- all of you that voted for Trump and are criticizing them because you are being blatant hypocrites by voting a man who blatantly commits crimes into office and keeping him there (yes obstruction in the least is a crime and you would have to be a tool to say he didn't) and it's crickets from most of you. Yes, we have our own issues with corruption in the 50 states and it is on BOTH sides and even though you mindless hypocrites point it out all the time although some like to imagine it is ONLY a problem on the left when in fact it seems to be a bigger problem on the right.

As usual - we need to get most money out of politics. By most I mean: Corporate money, eliminate Super PACs, eliminate secret anonymoous donors, cap donation amounts to PACs and candidates and parties, greatly reduce lobbyists and lobbyist roles (like writing the laws congress votes on). I don't care about term limits because frankly having people that understand how to make government function in office is not a bad thing and with money removed they will be elected on their message and their performance. And they should also be kept from lobbying after they are done serving to help keep the system less corrupt.

#42 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2019-07-19 10:43 AM | Reply

"If Republicans had a better vision for Puerto Rico, they'd offer it up.
But they don't. All they have is "Democrats are bad!""

Welcome to the life of a Republican. Now you know how Reps feel every single day when having to listen to Dems say how bad they are but come up with either no solutions or worse solutions. I'm glad you can now understand this concept.

"As usual - we need to get most money out of politics. By most I mean: Corporate money, eliminate Super PACs, eliminate secret anonymoous donors, cap donation amounts to PACs and candidates and parties, greatly reduce lobbyists and lobbyist roles (like writing the laws congress votes on). I don't care about term limits because frankly having people that understand how to make government function in office is not a bad thing and with money removed they will be elected on their message and their performance. And they should also be kept from lobbying after they are done serving to help keep the system less corrupt."

We need more of this. It seems like most of the partisan people I interact with who aren't filled with hate always come to the same conclusion, even when they follow different opinions and logic to get there. But trying to fix the solution never happens because it's much easier for the people who are filled with hate to just whine and cry that the logic and opinions used to get to the conclusion are all wrong. Imagine if all the debates stopped and the masses collectively coordinated millions of people to march on the WH to demand one single solution to a problem, and the media's headlines all say "The public is waiting on an answer" or "People are angry with the WH and refuse to leave until they offer a solution to xxxx". Instead, people go to the WH and all they do when they get there is fight each other because when one side protests, the other side also has to be there to protest back. The media's headlines all talk about the fighting, what's happening during the protests, how many are arrested, etc. And the entire purpose of the protest gets forgotten and not addressed. Instead, we organize a million man march to Area 51. Welcome to the decline of the American empire...it's eerily similar to the fall of Rome (which most people already know).

#43 | Posted by humtake at 2019-07-19 12:35 PM | Reply

Pretty funny stuff from the woke "Hamilton" virtue-signaler.

"Lin-Manuel Miranda joins rally against Puerto Rico governor. "A leaked series of chat messages has compounded outrage over corruption. The messages show the governor and key aides mocking women, the disabled and Hurricane Maria victims. Miranda said the alleged corruption surrounding the governor of the U.S. territory ‘is the last straw and Puerto Ricans are standing up against it."

When Trump pointed out the corruption and ineptitude of the Puerto Rican leadership, people called him racist."

#44 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-07-19 12:49 PM | Reply

From what I have read/heard they are not all about corruption per se but rather politicians behaving very badly privately and getting caught doing it. Bad jokes about having people murdered, misogynism, trying to manipulate the media, the mayor of San Juan, etc. Yes, there were elements to what the Governor and his circle talked about that were corruption in my opinion but that wasn't the only thing that PO'd the people.

That was just the text circle, 7 former PR politicians were separately indicted for corruption (mostly skimming but also cronyism) with more to come, the texts were just the icing on the cake.

#45 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-19 12:51 PM | Reply

#45 | Posted by Rightocenter

Correct - but those indictments were not the cause of the protests - the texts were. That revealed just how revolting these people were. Frankly throw them in prison. That said can we go a week here in the 50 states without a politician being in hot water for some sort of corruption? D or R. And I don't mean just Federal or even State level but going all the way down. At the higher levels there are just more mechanisms that make things like graft easier to explain away if you aren't stupid about it. When someone gets too greedy they get sloppy and that is usually the ones that get caught and not all of them by any means.

You can't complain about rules, regulations and laws that come up because they have a source - some shady SOB or group of them decided to do something and then we have to codify why it is wrong.

#46 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2019-07-19 01:20 PM | Reply

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