Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Thursday, July 18, 2019

In a moment of unrestrained demagoguery, President Donald Trump presided Wednesday over a crowd chanting "Send her back! Send her back!" about an American Muslim congresswoman who he targeted with racist attacks. The scenes at a North Carolina rally provided an ugly overture to a 2020 election campaign already soaked in hate. ... The chants of "Send her back!" referred to Somalia-born, American citizen Rep. Ilhan Omar of Minnesota, one of four minority lawmakers attacked by Trump over the weekend. The invective from the crowd replaced the "Lock her up!" and "Build the wall!" chants of Trump's first campaign with a jarring racial refrain that the commander-in-chief, speaking from behind a podium bearing the symbolic presidential seal, made no effort to stop.

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Notice the black guy obviously placed right behind Trump. Otherwise a sea of white bigots. Gotta wonder if the black guy was getting paid to attend.

#1 | Posted by danni at 2019-07-18 09:11 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Now... this isn't NECESSARILY racist. SHE is actually foreign born, so in isolation we couldn't claim that them saying this was due to her race, unlike with the other three. (though it is disgustingly nativist, which is very un-American)

But, since this is a follow on to the previous statement (actually tweet) that WAS demonstrably racist, we can go ahead and call his supporters racist on this one as well.

#2 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-07-18 09:13 AM | Reply

Trump made the most awful insinuation that she married her own brother. #ImmigrationScam #------

#3 | Posted by visitor_ at 2019-07-18 09:14 AM | Reply

-Notice the black guy obviously placed right behind Trump

"Shame on black people for not being a democrat!!!"

-Danni

#4 | Posted by eberly at 2019-07-18 09:26 AM | Reply

#1 | POSTED BY DANNI

that particular black fella is a friend of hannity...he's been mentioned before...they always put him right behind trump.

this is going to get real nasty...and I can't wait to see just how far that trump will take it.

#5 | Posted by 1947steamer at 2019-07-18 09:30 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

""Shame on black people for not being a democrat!!!"
-Danni"

I never said that, it is rude and uncalled for to put words in other posters' mouths. I was just pointing out the obvious about the placement of that man behind Trump.
Remember when Trump proclaimed at a rally before the 2016 election...."Look at my African American?"

"An Oral History of Trump's Bigotry"

www.theatlantic.com

Trump supporters can claim he isn't a racist but he has a long, documented history spanning 40 years that prove them wrong.

#6 | Posted by danni at 2019-07-18 09:32 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 7

"Draft-dodging Trump tells Americans ‘If people don't want to fight for our country they can leave'"

www.rawstory.com

How do his supporters tolerate his hypocrisy?

#7 | Posted by danni at 2019-07-18 09:35 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

No different that the 'America, love it or leave it' from back in the 60s.

#8 | Posted by MSgt at 2019-07-18 09:35 AM | Reply

#6 | Posted by danni I do note that no one accused Trump of racism until he ran for office. He was a Democrat back in the 90s, so you might have a point.

#9 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-07-18 09:38 AM | Reply

That same guy is at all his rallies. It's his "African American friend".

#10 | Posted by Sezu at 2019-07-18 09:39 AM | Reply

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-How do his supporters tolerate his hypocrisy?

I don't know but I suspect it's mostly because Americans don't really care about military service when making voting choices, despite what they claim.

#11 | Posted by eberly at 2019-07-18 09:40 AM | Reply

Trump says America is a "laughingstock," that our country "has no strength" and "no spirit," that "we don't know what we're doing as a country," that our country is "not so innocent," that we have "rusted out factories scattered like tombstones across the landscape," complains of "poverty and violence at home, war and destruction abroad," that "we don't have a country anymore" and that "the American dream is dead."

Where should we send him back to?

#12 | Posted by JOE at 2019-07-18 09:40 AM | Reply

I do note that no one accused Trump of racism until he ran for office.

#9 | Posted by docnjo

Was it important for most people to do that before he ran for office?

Donald Trump is an overt racist, exploiting racism to get the votes of racists to be re-elected.

I said his behavior would get only worse. After last night, no one can argue with me.

#13 | Posted by Zed at 2019-07-18 09:40 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

this is going to get real nasty...and I can't wait to see just how far that trump will take it.

#5 | Posted by 1947steamer

Trump will take it as far as he thinks he needs to be re-elected.

I understand your fascination with how far he'll stretch the limits. What's really interesting is how far he can go before the republican Party calls him on it.

The answer is to expect riots on the street if Trump needs them, and no help from the fascists because being helpful in the cause of civilization is not what fascists do.

#14 | Posted by Zed at 2019-07-18 09:44 AM | Reply

These young ladies will not be in office in 16 months, they really don't matter except as a foil for Trump and a distraction from the inaction of the House.

#15 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-07-18 09:46 AM | Reply

The people who voted for Trump in 2016 perhaps have an excuse. MAYBE they didn't really know. In 2020 every who votes for Trump knows, and they're just as racist as he is. No matter what they say to themselves to make it all better after.

#16 | Posted by Zed at 2019-07-18 09:47 AM | Reply

These young ladies will not be in office in 16 months, they really don't matter except as a foil for Trump and a distraction from the inaction of the House.

#15 | Posted by docnjo

Interesting rationalization.

See my #16. You're already looking for ways to make your support of racism an all right thing.

#17 | Posted by Zed at 2019-07-18 09:49 AM | Reply

Trump is successfully, at this point, making the the left the racists and haters when he talks to his base.

and they believe it.

#18 | Posted by eberly at 2019-07-18 09:49 AM | Reply

and they believe it.

#18 | Posted by eberly

What don't they believe? What won't they believe?

Trump's mouth to their brains, in racist rallies in NC and racist apologies on this blog.

#19 | Posted by Zed at 2019-07-18 09:51 AM | Reply

"No matter what they say to themselves to make it all better after."

I have a theory, Zed.

You keep typing over and over that anybody that votes for Trump is every bit the racist he is.

I think I know why you keep doing that......it's because you think you can sell that.

Am I right?

#20 | Posted by eberly at 2019-07-18 09:52 AM | Reply

You keep typing over and over that anybody that votes for Trump is every bit the racist he is.

#20 | Posted by eberly at 2019

A vote for Lucifer is a vote for Hell.

It's hard to see a way around that.

Active racist or racist dupe. Both are dangerous, and both have to accept responsibility.

#21 | Posted by Zed at 2019-07-18 09:55 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

You keep typing over and over that anybody that votes for Trump is every bit the racist he is.

#20 | Posted by eberly at 2019

You keep typing that people that vote for Trump can be good people.

Yes, in the same way that people who scald cats can be good people.

#22 | Posted by Zed at 2019-07-18 09:56 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

-What don't they believe?

He's simply focusing on 4 "militant hard leftists who hate this country" and suggesting they leave.

It's not hard to go that route. None of those folks think that's wrong.

What's fascinating to me is that I'm sure there are hoards of advisers saying, "Mr. President...would you just add that you are suggesting these folks leave because of their political positions and obvious dislike of this country and it has NOTHING to do with their race? Please, Mr. President....just add those words so that the accusations of racism can simmer down???"

but he won't do it.

#23 | Posted by eberly at 2019-07-18 09:57 AM | Reply

Trump made the most awful insinuation that she married her own brother. #ImmigrationScam #------

#3 | POSTED BY VISITOR_ AT 2019-07-18 09:14 AM | REPLY

No, a reporter asked him if he thought it was true and he said he didn't know.

Btw, stupid chant I will agree. Should have chanted "vote her out" "send her back" is not appropriate and will offend naturalized citizens. Biggest problem I have with these four congresswoman is they are grandstanding instead of actually doing their jobs. Have they actually written any legislation or laws that will actually improve this country? Answer is no, they are why Trump and actually Obama got elected, people wanted change in Washington, change meaning elected officials need to actually do what they were elected to do, work, write laws. Obama called it change, Trump called it draining the swamp but it was the same campaign rally.

#24 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-07-18 09:58 AM | Reply

Zed, Am I right?

#25 | Posted by eberly at 2019-07-18 09:58 AM | Reply

Zed, Am I right?

#25 | Posted by eberly

No, EBERLY. I am right.

#26 | Posted by Zed at 2019-07-18 09:59 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Racist people don't think they're racist.

People doing bad things generally don't think they're doing bad things.

#27 | Posted by schifferbrains at 2019-07-18 09:59 AM | Reply

-Yes, in the same way that people who scald cats can be good people.

I love what you write sometimes....it's awesome.

Now, stop being a ----- and answer the question.....last chance.

#28 | Posted by eberly at 2019-07-18 10:00 AM | Reply

I love what you write sometimes....it's awesome.

#28 | Posted by eberly at 2019-07-18 10

Thank you. Just copyrighted my second novel.

#29 | Posted by Zed at 2019-07-18 10:01 AM | Reply

"No matter what they say to themselves to make it all better after."
I have a theory, Zed.
You keep typing over and over that anybody that votes for Trump is every bit the racist he is.
I think I know why you keep doing that......it's because you think you can sell that.
Am I right?

#20 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2019-07-18 09:52 AM | FLAG:

Zed is another puppet who when you pull the string on his back "racist,racist,racist" comes out. It's all he has, it's all he's ever had for at least the lat 10 years. If you didn't agree with Obama-Racist, you agree with Trump-Racist. He can't debate policy and that's all he's got.

#30 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-07-18 10:02 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

-You keep typing that people that vote for Trump can be good people.

I don't reference those folks as much as you do, but yes...I have asserted that.

I make that claim because I actually know some of them. A lot of them.

They don't scald cats (I just keep laughing about that....LOL).

#31 | Posted by eberly at 2019-07-18 10:03 AM | Reply

Do I think I can SELL that Trump voters are racist? I'll convince no one here that is already a Trump supporter, because those people who come here as Trump supporters are fanatics.

Do I think I can convince some random person who visits this site? Maybe.

In life we come to crossroads of conscience and of choice. People are responsible for the effects of their choices. People who honestly think they are supporting policies when they are actually supporting a monster don't get much sympathy from me.

I see how bad it's been the last three years. Trump is as bad as he thinks he has the freedom to be. Give him a second term and we'll have a modern repeat of what happened with certain Roman emperors.

#32 | Posted by Zed at 2019-07-18 10:06 AM | Reply

Look at the beginning of this thread, the only reason Trump has a black man behind him is because he is paying him so he doesn't look like a racist, if the black man wasn't behind him it would be because he is a racist.

#33 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-07-18 10:06 AM | Reply

-Zed is another puppet who when you pull the string on his back "racist,racist,racist" comes out."

My favorite "Zedism" where he pretends to have had a personal relationship with someone he's never met was Mitt Romney.

References like "spiders come out of his head" stuff was awesome. "Sociopath"....how he mistreated his dog and all kinds of ---- about his horse.

#34 | Posted by eberly at 2019-07-18 10:06 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

I make that claim because I actually know some of them. A lot of them.

#31 | Posted by eberly

So do I, EBERLY.

ALL of them need to use their goodness not to burn down houses.

#35 | Posted by Zed at 2019-07-18 10:07 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The people who voted for Trump in 2016 perhaps have an excuse. MAYBE they didn't really know. In 2020 every who votes for Trump knows, and they're just as racist as he is. No matter what they say to themselves to make it all better after.

I know this is going to come as a surprise, but people care more about being employed and taking care of their families than being called a racist. You think calling anyone who opposes socialism a racist is going to work? It isn't, you won't believe it, and you'll need to blame someone for the democrat's failure again.

Nancy Pelosi gets it, but you imbeciles clearly don't.

Write it down: Trump will have more votes from minorities than he did last time. Employment is more important than identity politics. Thinking otherwise is your privilege showing.

#36 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2019-07-18 10:07 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Look at the beginning of this thread, the only reason Trump has a black man behind him is because he is paying him so he doesn't look like a racist, if the black man wasn't behind him it would be because he is a racist.

#33 | Posted by fishpaw at

Because Trump is simply a racist.

Not hard.

#37 | Posted by Zed at 2019-07-18 10:09 AM | Reply

To save reading time, today's DR Left's posts from morning to midnight:

"Racist!"

Look ma, no crystal ball required!

#38 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-07-18 10:09 AM | Reply

"because those people who come here as Trump supporters are fanatics."

they are? compared to whom (on the level of fanaticism)?

folks like you, JPW, --------, speakstupid, truthhurts, etc?

You've got to be crazy to think any trump supporter on this site approaches the level of you guys as "fanatics".

#39 | Posted by eberly at 2019-07-18 10:10 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 3

Zed, give us some examples of what Trump has done policy wise since he has been in office that have effected you in a negative way. If you are afraid you will get kicked off your parent's insurance that is a legitimate answer btw.

#40 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-07-18 10:10 AM | Reply

Write it down: Trump will have more votes from minorities than he did last time. Employment is more important than identity politics. Thinking otherwise is your privilege showing.

#36 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake

You can't be thankful to a man you know hates you.

As long as we're dipping into the psychology of it.

#41 | Posted by Zed at 2019-07-18 10:10 AM | Reply

You've got to be crazy to think any trump supporter on this site approaches the level of you guys as "fanatics".

#39 | Posted by eberly at 2019

This would be an interesting discussion.

I'd say that adopting multiple accounts to support Trump is fanaticism.

For a start.

#42 | Posted by Zed at 2019-07-18 10:12 AM | Reply

-So do I, EBERLY.

Zed, you're lying through your teeth.

Either you are lying that you really know any or you're lying that they are all such bad people.

I'm sorry to use such harsh language on you but there is simply no way you could know that. You just need to believe it.

and if you think you can sell this to anybody....well, you may not be a racist or cat scalder....but you're no smarter than any of them.

#43 | Posted by eberly at 2019-07-18 10:13 AM | Reply

"Either you are lying that you really know any"

You know where I live.

"or you're lying that they are all such bad people"

#43 | Posted by eberly

"Good" people can do bad things.

This is controversial?

#44 | Posted by Zed at 2019-07-18 10:16 AM | Reply

-You think calling anyone who opposes socialism a racist is going to work?

they do. they sincerely do think that's going to work.

#45 | Posted by eberly at 2019-07-18 10:17 AM | Reply

You can't be thankful to a man you know hates you.

Obama told them he loved them and didn't do jack ---- for their families. Talk is cheap.

#46 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2019-07-18 10:18 AM | Reply

-You think calling anyone who opposes socialism a racist is going to work?

#45 | Posted by eberly

We're at radically different levels of analysis.

To repeat: A vote for Lucifer is necessarily a vote for Hell, no matter how much you dislike socialism.

#47 | Posted by Zed at 2019-07-18 10:19 AM | Reply

I do note that no one accused Trump of racism until he ran for office.
.........................#9 | Posted by docnjo

UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
F. # EASTERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,
Plaintiff,
- against -
FRED C. TRUMP, DONALD TRUMP
and TRUMP MANAGEMENT, INC.,

This action was instituted by the United States of
America on October 15, 1973, pursuant to the Fair Housing
Act of 1968, 42 u.s.c. §3601 et seq.
The claim of the United States is that the defendants
..
have failed and neglected to exercise their affirmative and
nondelegable duty under the Fair Housing Act to assure compliance by their subordinates, with the result that equal
housing opportunity has been denied to substantial numbers
of persons and that defendant's subordinates have failed
to carry out their obligations under the Act.

So, as you can see the trump cartel has been on the radar for many years

#48 | Posted by 1947steamer at 2019-07-18 10:19 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 7

Write it down: Trump will have more votes from minorities than he did last time. Employment is more important than identity politics. Thinking otherwise is your privilege showing.
#36 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake
You can't be thankful to a man you know hates you.
As long as we're dipping into the psychology of it.

#41 | POSTED BY ZED AT 2019-07-18 10:10 AM | FLAG:

Keep believing it Zed but their a a lot of minorities that really like Trump and what he has done for them, they are on TV, on the radio and in print everyday, so maybe you should ask them if he is a racist or in your case convince them.

#49 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-07-18 10:20 AM | Reply

Talk is cheap.

#46 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2019-07-18 10:18 AMFlag: (Choose)FunnyNewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

Yeah, man. You should know.

#50 | Posted by Zed at 2019-07-18 10:20 AM | Reply

"Good" people can do bad things."

like be a racist, scald cats, or burn down houses?

no Zed....YOU are saying they are bad people...not good people doing bad things.

see, this is why I brought up my theory...you think you can take this ---- so far that you'll turn heads and convince someone to not vote for Trump what was going to prior.

You won't....in fact, the only thing you're accomplishing with this is to encourage folks to wrap their arms tighter around Trump.

You want to know how I know that for sure? I actually know Trump supporters, unlike you. You just know about them....you don't know them.

#51 | Posted by eberly at 2019-07-18 10:22 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Keep believing it Zed but their a a lot of minorities that really like Trump

#49 | Posted by fishpaw

Any minority who supports a man also supported by Stormfront gets what they deserve.

#52 | Posted by Zed at 2019-07-18 10:22 AM | Reply

I get Zed's revulsion of Trump.

His revulsion of Romney never made sense to me.

Romney is a decent person; a kind person. Does he have his flaws? Of course. But a lack of decency isn't one of them.

#53 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-18 10:24 AM | Reply

-So, as you can see the trump cartel has been on the radar for many years

He didn't make the radar until he became a republican and ran for office.....THEN he showed up on the radar.

Show us the outrage over Trump's racism when he was a democrat.

#54 | Posted by eberly at 2019-07-18 10:24 AM | Reply

To repeat: A vote for Lucifer is necessarily a vote for Hell, no matter how much you dislike socialism.

You're oozing privilege from every pore. Trump has you right where he wants you.

#55 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2019-07-18 10:24 AM | Reply

You won't....in fact, the only thing you're accomplishing with this is to encourage folks to wrap their arms tighter around Trump.

#51 | Posted by eberly at

Yeah, sure. They're my fault.

We're doing the semantics thing to some extent here. What if instead of "bad" or "evil" I just say Trump supporters are sick? Because I do see that as a viable alternative.

#56 | Posted by Zed at 2019-07-18 10:24 AM | Reply

Donald Trump is mentally ill. The evidence is abundant. So what does that say about his supporters?

#57 | Posted by Zed at 2019-07-18 10:25 AM | Reply

-Any minority who supports a man also supported by Stormfront gets what they deserve.

and this is how you're going to sell folks?

#58 | Posted by eberly at 2019-07-18 10:25 AM | Reply

Any minority who supports a man also supported by Stormfront gets what they deserve.

#52 | POSTED BY ZED

Minority unemployment is at record lows. I'm pretty sure that's more important to most minorities than the fact that a fringe white supremacist group likes Trump.

Some pretty nasty left-wing groups liked Obama, btw.

Guilt by association is a lazy tactic.

#59 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-18 10:26 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Trump has you right where he wants you.

#55 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2019-07-18

Like the man is able to think more than five minutes ahead.

Donald Trump is not a super-genius. He is in fact pretty dim.

He HAS perfected a method of manipulation over time that has served him very well.

If I'm being manipulated, well....You were first.

#60 | Posted by Zed at 2019-07-18 10:27 AM | Reply

I bet Zed owns a dog. Racist!

#61 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-07-18 10:28 AM | Reply

Guilt by association is a lazy tactic.

#59 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-

You vote for Hitler you vote for Nazis.

Absolutely right, JEFF. Guilt by association.

#62 | Posted by Zed at 2019-07-18 10:29 AM | Reply

-His revulsion of Romney never made sense to me.

The way Zed can dig into his persona....he can do that to anybody.

Anybody can be a racist, sociopath, greedy, Lucifer, mentally ill, etc. if Zed is performing the analysis.

#63 | Posted by eberly at 2019-07-18 10:29 AM | Reply

Any minority who supports a man also supported by Stormfront gets what they deserve.

Lowest unemployment rate in history.

Putting food on table > Being called a racist

That's how it works outside your ivory tower.

#64 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2019-07-18 10:29 AM | Reply

-Any minority who supports a man also supported by Stormfront gets what they deserve.

and this is how you're going to sell folks?

#58 | Posted by eberly at 2019

No, it's how I tell the truth.

#65 | Posted by Zed at 2019-07-18 10:29 AM | Reply

-What if instead of "bad" or "evil" I just say Trump supporters are sick?

Either you are so seething with anger, Or it's just a character you play here.

Either way.....keep it up. I love it.

#66 | Posted by eberly at 2019-07-18 10:30 AM | Reply

Putting food on table > Being called a racist

#64 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake

People who think well of themselves see no reason why they can't have respect AND food.

You do realize you're offering insight into a certain mentality?

#67 | Posted by Zed at 2019-07-18 10:31 AM | Reply

Either way.....keep it up. I love it.

#66 | Posted by eberly at 2019

I love you too, EB. Want me to send you a copy of one of my books? Gratis.

#68 | Posted by Zed at 2019-07-18 10:32 AM | Reply

No, it's how I tell the truth.

Guys! Who cares about the fact you're eating dinner and putting a roof over your head? YOU'RE A RACIST!

ITZ THA TRUUUUUUUUTH!!

#69 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2019-07-18 10:33 AM | Reply

I do have to say that ‘scald cats' is hilarious.

#70 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-18 10:34 AM | Reply

#69 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at

You're the sort of man who trades his pride for a pork chop and makes a virtue of it.

If we pass each other on a sidewalk, I expect you to step into the street.

#71 | Posted by Zed at 2019-07-18 10:35 AM | Reply

"Lowest unemployment rate in history. "

Unemployment has steadily fallen since 2009 but some don't want to give President Obama any credit for it. To me, that seems a bit racist. Trump's irrational desire to destroy Obamacare and the Iran Deal seems racist to me as well. You can disagree but if most people are honestly truthful with themselves I think they would agree.

#72 | Posted by danni at 2019-07-18 10:37 AM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 1

ZED is going to work now. I earn my pork chops without need or reference to Massa Donald Trump.

#73 | Posted by Zed at 2019-07-18 10:37 AM | Reply

These young ladies will not be in office in 16 months ...

You're out of your mind. Turnip's racist attacks will make Democrats like them better, so they won't lose the primary. And Republicans don't have a prayer of winning any of those districts.

Pressley won her district by 68%. The last Republican to win it was in 1921.

Ocasio-Cortez won her district by 36%. The last Republican to win it was in 1992.

Omar won her district by 12%. The last Republican to win it was in 1962.

Tlaib won her district by 8%. The last Republican to win it was in 1947.

#74 | Posted by rcade at 2019-07-18 10:38 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

69

That is exactly what I'm talking about. Zed believes he's enlightening folks by forcing some sort of self-realization that they are awful people on election day if they pull the lever for Trump. Nothing else matters...they are, by objective analysis, every bit as bad as the person they vote for.

Corky and others believe these same folks are just as bad even if they don't pull the lever for a democrat.

I love the drama....even though I want Trump out of office for the same reasons they do....

#75 | Posted by eberly at 2019-07-18 10:41 AM | Reply

#72 | POSTED BY DANNI

I don't give out funny flags as an insult. I'm giving you a FF because your post made me laugh.

#76 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-18 10:41 AM | Reply

Obama had Cash For Clunkers, Trump has Pride For Porkchops

#77 | Posted by schifferbrains at 2019-07-18 10:43 AM | Reply

74

I didn't interpret him to mean they would be replaced with republicans....rather, the DNC would back someone else.

I agree they aren't going anywhere yet. I would bet they all stay for at least one more term. The democrats probably can't oust them at this point.

#78 | Posted by eberly at 2019-07-18 10:43 AM | Reply

Look at the beginning of this thread, the only reason Trump has a black man behind him is because he is paying him so he doesn't look like a racist, if the black man wasn't behind him it would be because he is a racist.

#33 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

No. Trump is racist (or at least if he isn't he is doing a good job PRETENDING to be to get Republicans to support him).

He has a token black guy behind him at pretty much every rally. Probably because he hopes it makes him look like he isn't racist (because Republicans think that black people can't be racist, so if black people support you it means YOU aren't racist). Doesn't change the fact that Trump is racist, though.

And, btw, this guy is apparently (from a post above) a friend of Hannity and is at just about every Trump rally though they happen across the country. Do you REALLY think he is paying his own way?

And you claim that if the token black guy were not behind Trump it would prove Trump was racist. No, Trump is racist regardless (being racist depends on your words and actions, not upon your who your supporters are). Though it would change the optics a little because Trump wouldn't be able to say "I'm not racist. Look, A black guy supports me".

This is another thing that you can use to tell if someone is a racist. If you say "I know a black guy" (or "A black guy supports me") or "I voted for a black president" to prove that you aren't racist, then you probably are racist. Thinking that is actually legitimate "proof" that you are not racist shows how little you understand about racism. But, that has been on blaring display this week. Most Republicans don't THINK they are racist, they just are. And the reason they don't think they are racist is because of those reasons I just mentioned.

But, the fact that you can't see blatant racism right in front of you, that you think it is acceptable and normal and probably funny, is a symptom of racism. It was only BECAUSE of their race that Trump said these women should "go back" to their country, even though THREE of the four are born on American soil (their country is the USA). Targeting someone because of their race, and implying they don't belong here (that they are not GOOD ENOUGH to be here, that they are INFERIOR because of their race) is racism.

I truly believe that the Republicans on this board are not lying when they say they don't think what Trump tweeted was racist. TRUMP probably STILL does not think it is racist. But it is. And if you do not see it, then you are in the same boat as the racist SOB who Republicans made our president (Trump).

And, the biggest concern that comes out of this (from a society perspective) is... if YOU cannot tell when something is racist, how will you prevent yourself from saying racist things even if you want to (because you actually might want to not be racist)?

My answer is education. A vast majority of Republicans have no idea what racism is, and cannot recognize it if they see it (as evidenced by this week). So, I will continue to point out how this tweet was racist (and other incidents of racism that occur). But, it probably will do very little good. This is so politicized that Republicans will refuse to learn anything from this incident, even if they wanted to, just to spite liberals. Really, my only hope is that if some independents, who are not so invested in defending Trump, stumble by then (if they have the same issues with Racism as Republicans) they possibly could learn something and eventually change their behavior for the better.

#79 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-07-18 10:44 AM | Reply

And, to follow on my previous post, there are also some racist Democrats (who think they aren't, similar to Republicans), so hopefully they are also able to learn something from this incident.

#80 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-07-18 10:45 AM | Reply

68

Seriously? I'll email you if you're serious.

#81 | Posted by eberly at 2019-07-18 10:45 AM | Reply

You won't....in fact, the only thing you're accomplishing with this is to encourage folks to wrap their arms tighter around Trump.
#51 | Posted by eberly at
Yeah, sure. They're my fault.
We're doing the semantics thing to some extent here. What if instead of "bad" or "evil" I just say Trump supporters are sick? Because I do see that as a viable alternative.

#56 | POSTED BY ZED AT 2019-07-18 10:24 AM | REPLY

People that were on the fence in 2016 got turned off by Hillary calling anyone who was going to support Trump as deplorable, because of it they either didn't vote for her or voted for him. When the DNC called Bernie supporters "Bernie Bots" and "basement dwellers" they got pissed off and stayed home so go ahead and continue with the never ending racist strategy. It will be interesting to see who you blame the loss on this time, China?

#82 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-07-18 10:46 AM | Reply

minorities that support trump are non existent

a particular person of color might espouse a conviction that trump is not racist and who's best for the country..but i think those are individuals looking for a place at the table and willing to "step'n fetch it" to get it.

anyone who believes trump's employment figures or economic projections are in for a rude awakening. IMO

#83 | Posted by 1947steamer at 2019-07-18 10:46 AM | Reply

And, btw, this guy is apparently (from a post above) a friend of Hannity and is at just about every Trump rally though they happen across the country. Do you REALLY think he is paying his own way?#79 | POSTED BY GTBRITISHSKULL AT 2019-07-18 10:44 AM | FLAG:

Why do you say he can't pay his own way? Because he's black? Maybe you should go back to racist England.

#84 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-07-18 10:50 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

I don't give out funny flags as an insult. I'm giving you a FF because your post made me laugh.

There's nothing in her comment that's a joke, which makes your laugh look like an expression of contempt or ridicule.

#85 | Posted by rcade at 2019-07-18 10:50 AM | Reply

"But, it probably will do very little good."

I disagree...it will do some good....for TRUMP.

If you really want to help defeat Trump, continue to point out what he does that proves he is a racist...it won't have a big effect but it won't hurt.

But what you have to STOP doing NOW is calling his voters racists.

In my professional opinion, this will not shame voters into running from Trump. Trump has to do that himself. Don't try to help by calling anybody, other than Trump, a racist.

That tactic will recruit voters for Trump.

#86 | Posted by eberly at 2019-07-18 10:56 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-Why do you say he can't pay his own way? Because he's black?

exactly. Perhaps a ton of folks standing behind Trump aren't paying their own way...but it's only significant that the black guy isn't paying his own way.

#87 | Posted by eberly at 2019-07-18 10:58 AM | Reply

"I don't give out funny flags as an insult. I'm giving you a FF because your post made me laugh."

So you are disagreeing with me that Obama deserves some credit for our present economic situation or do you think that if Trump inherited the economy Obama did he could have accomplished what Obama accomplished?

#88 | Posted by danni at 2019-07-18 11:00 AM | Reply

-Notice the black guy obviously placed right behind Trump

"Shame on black people for not being a democrat!!!"

-Danni

#4 | Posted by eberly

Yes. Shame on any black person who supports the party who does everything it can to prevent black people from voting.

Trump uses them as props. He's so short on black supporters that that same guy is in behind him in many rallies.

#89 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-07-18 11:00 AM | Reply

Adam Kinzinger @RepKinzinger (GOP Congressman from Illinois)

I deeply disagree with the extreme left & have been disgusted by their tone. I woke up today equally disgusted - chants like "send her back" are ugly, wrong, & would send chills down the spines of our Founding Fathers. This ugliness must end, or we risk our great union.
6:16 AM - 18 Jul 2019

#90 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-07-18 11:01 AM | Reply

"Trump uses them as props"

totally agree.

#91 | Posted by eberly at 2019-07-18 11:02 AM | Reply

www.miaminewtimes.com

Ex-Cult Member Behind "Blacks for Trump" Is Bankrupt, So Who's Paying for His Trump Rally Trips?

#92 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-07-18 11:02 AM | Reply

Joe Walsh @WalshFreedom (former GOP Congressman from Illinois)

"SEND HER BACK" is wrong. It's so wrong. Denounce it Republicans. Please. Denounce it.
3:57 AM - 18 Jul 2019

#93 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-07-18 11:04 AM | Reply

"Now... this isn't NECESSARILY racist."

Herein lies the problem. You guys are reacting as if it is, with almost every message and every headline posted on this site and elsewhere, and attacking everyone else who doesn't share in this reaction as also necessarily racist. Meanwhile, he's got people attacking him, his wife and his supporters based on race and ethnicity. (I note that people stopped using 'Drumpf' against him as an ethnic slur ever since that genealogy tidbit was debunked, but they still attack her based on Eastern European stereotypes.) You can't have it both ways.

#94 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-07-18 11:06 AM | Reply

#90 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

i enjoy your posts..concise and always informative. "the extreme left" antifa?

#95 | Posted by 1947steamer at 2019-07-18 11:07 AM | Reply

FL GOP Disinvites Scaramucci From Fundraiser After He Called Out Trump

Former White House communications director Anthony Scaramucci was disinvited from the Palm Beach County GOP's annual fundraising event after he criticized President Donald Trump's racist attacks against four congresswomen.

According to Politico, Michael A. Barnett, the Republican Party chairman in the county that is home to Mar-a-Lago, told Scaramucci that he had been disinvited from the Aug. 15 fundraising event called "Lobsterfest" following his comments that were critical of Trump since Tuesday.

"He suggested the president's comments were racist and that he was becoming a racist. Our board was infuriated," Barnett told Politico. "We believe the tweets were not racist, the president is not racist and that Scaramucci's comments were unfair."

Scaramucci first told the BBC Tuesday that although he doesn't believe that Trump is a racist, "we all have to look at him and say, ‘OK, well, maybe you weren't a racist, but now you're turning into one.'"

Scaramucci kept up his criticisms on Twitter and on cable news, which reportedly have left Trump "furious" with his former spokesperson. During a Thursday morning appearance on CNN, the Mooch said that Trump's attacks are a "turnoff to a large group of people."


talkingpointsmemo.com

#96 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-07-18 11:08 AM | Reply

88

I think it's hilariously retarded to suggest everything is racist. How many presidents give credit to their predecessor from the opposition party for something positive occurring in the current term?

after you answer that...is that probably because it due to partisan politics?

but not this time...it's racism.

You could at least try to discriminate when you hurl the "RACIST!" accusation.

or don't....I don't care either way.

#97 | Posted by eberly at 2019-07-18 11:12 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Yes, in the same way that people who scald cats can be good people.
#22 | POSTED BY ZED

Why do you hate the chinese buffets?

#98 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2019-07-18 11:15 AM | Reply | Funny: 3

Listening to Trump's racist statements over the last week plus those of his supporters, and observing the barely disguised hatred directed at these four women, I wonder what is happening to my country. This is a sad time for America. Racial and ethnic hatred have bubbled to the surface and the haters are feeling unapologetic about their hatred.

#99 | Posted by moder8 at 2019-07-18 11:15 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

exactly. Perhaps a ton of folks standing behind Trump aren't paying their own way...but it's only significant that the black guy isn't paying his own way.

#87 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Because we were talking about the black guy?

He is a prop. He probably isn't paying his own way. I don't recognize the other people at the rallies, but I don't generally watch Trump rallies (I did go to one during the election, though). But, you are probably right that some others are props. And they probably aren't paying their own way either.

If you want to point out anyone else who seems to be at every Trump rally and is always displayed front and center, then I will be happy to tell you that THEY probably ALSO did not pay their own way. But since they have not been pointed out to me (or been singled out in this thread) I am unable to acquiesce yet.

#100 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-07-18 11:17 AM | Reply

--but not this time...it's racism

The race-baitings will continue until morale improves!

#101 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-07-18 11:17 AM | Reply

(I note that people stopped using 'Drumpf' against him as an ethnic slur ever since that genealogy tidbit was debunked, but they still attack her based on Eastern European stereotypes.) You can't have it both ways.

#94 | Posted by sentinel

DRUMPH was never an ethnic slur. It's merely more evidence that everything about the man is a lie. His dad changed the family name to hide their origin and sound more patriotic and strong. Everything is about branding and marketing with this klan.

If you changed your name from tom tiptoe to tom titan, it wouldnt be racist to mock you. It would simply be pointing out your pathological level of insecurity and pathetic attempts at marketing yourself.

#102 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-07-18 11:20 AM | Reply

Who offered this criticism of the U.S.: Trump or a Democratic congresswoman?

www.washingtonpost.com

#103 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-07-18 11:22 AM | Reply

I need to get going but I'll say this.....Trump has been called a racist so many times, it has no effect anymore. Trump is fine with it...it's not costing him anything.

Now....what I believe Trump's strategy to be is to get his supporters called racists.

That's working....look at this place. Trump voters are racists...all of them. not some of them. all of them.

Trump has managed to get the media, blogs, etc. to all accuse his supporters of being racists.

Believe what you want....but if you want to win this election, then narrow the racist accusations to Trump himself and leave his voters, and potential voters, out of it.

This is my opinion...you will embolden these folks rather than shame them.

#104 | Posted by eberly at 2019-07-18 11:25 AM | Reply

"The race-baitings will continue until morale improves!"

Yes, I'm glad you are acknowledging Trump's MO:

"I think identity politics is a poison, it's toxic," [Marco] Rubio, the son of Cuban immigrants, said. "I think that's true when members of Congress practice it. But the presidency and the words of a president carry even greater weight in terms of the impact on society. The president shouldn't have written that. I think it damages him but it damages the country and none of us should be participating in identity politics."

www.tampabay.com

#105 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-07-18 11:26 AM | Reply

i enjoy your posts..concise and always informative. "the extreme left" antifa?

TY If you are asking me if I'm "the extreme left" Antifa, the answer is no.

#106 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-07-18 11:29 AM | Reply

88
I think it's hilariously retarded to suggest everything is racist. How many presidents give credit to their predecessor from the opposition party for something positive occurring in the current term?

#97 | POSTED BY EBERLY

I agree with you on this. Danni's claim of "racism" for not supporting Obama is a little over the top. Not that I don't think it played a part (I think undercurrents of racism are what rallied a lot of opposition to Obama) but definitely don't think that people opposed Obama only because of racism, or that all people who opposed Obama did it in part because of racism.

That is also why I posted #1. If this had happened before his tweet (saying that three American born Congresswomen of color should "go back" as well) then there would be a much stronger argument that it was not racist. Opposition, or even personal insults (while those are still despicable), to a person of color is not in itself racist. It is only because this is tightly intertwined with his racist tweet that I have such confidence that anyone who is espousing it is doing it with a racist intent.

#107 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-07-18 11:31 AM | Reply

#104 | POSTED BY EBERLY

That's well and good, but elections aren't won by winning over the other side's supporters. They are won by winning over the middle.

#108 | Posted by Sycophant at 2019-07-18 11:33 AM | Reply

The chant would be a believable racist charge if they were chanting "Send them back". IMHO, Omar deserves the contempt heaped upon her. Maybe her problems with her immigration application will get her what she is deserving, a one way trip to Somalia. Let her try to speak in public there. Offend the wrong person. Talk with a man on the street, ETC.

#109 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-07-18 11:34 AM | Reply

#106 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

honestly i was skimming and didn't realize you were posting someone else's comment and was asking if that's what you were referencing as extreme left...antifa?
anyways...keep up the good postings

#110 | Posted by 1947steamer at 2019-07-18 11:34 AM | Reply

"Now... this isn't NECESSARILY racist."
Herein lies the problem. You guys are reacting as if it is, with almost every message and every headline posted on this site and elsewhere, and attacking everyone else who doesn't share in this reaction as also necessarily racist. Meanwhile, he's got people attacking him, his wife and his supporters based on race and ethnicity. (I note that people stopped using 'Drumpf' against him as an ethnic slur ever since that genealogy tidbit was debunked, but they still attack her based on Eastern European stereotypes.) You can't have it both ways.

#94 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

Let me clear it up for you:

It's NECESSARILY racist.

No one used Drumpf as an ethnic slur. It was literally from a John Oliver segment where he encouraged people to use Drumpf because Trump is so proud of the name Trump.

Quit with the --------.

#111 | Posted by Sycophant at 2019-07-18 11:39 AM | Reply

--then narrow the racist accusations to Trump himself and leave his voters, and potential voters, out of it.

I think that is generally what has happened.
This is just a blog.

#112 | Posted by schifferbrains at 2019-07-18 11:40 AM | Reply

"I agree with you on this. Danni's claim of "racism" for not supporting Obama is a little over the top."

That's not what I said. I said that not crediting Obama for leading us out of the worst recession since the Great Depression of 1929 seems a bit racist to me. Because it is.

#113 | Posted by danni at 2019-07-18 11:41 AM | Reply

The chant would be a believable racist charge if they were chanting "Send them back". IMHO, Omar deserves the contempt heaped upon her. Maybe her problems with her immigration application will get her what she is deserving, a one way trip to Somalia. Let her try to speak in public there. Offend the wrong person. Talk with a man on the street, ETC.

#109 | POSTED BY DOCNJO

You should stretch before you try to twist that much. You could hurt yourself.

When are they sending Ivanka Trump back for lying on her immigration paperwork?

#114 | Posted by Sycophant at 2019-07-18 11:41 AM | Reply

you will embolden these folks rather than shame them.
#104 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Good. Let their racist freak flags fly. That way I know who they are.

If you are still supporting Humpy after all he has said and done you are either a racist or an idiot who hasn't been paying attention.

Either way, when the race wars start hopefully they will proudly wear their MAGA hats.

Makes for easier targeting.

#115 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-07-18 11:41 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Believe what you want....but if you want to win this election, then narrow the racist accusations to Trump himself and leave his voters, and potential voters, out of it.

This is my opinion...you will embolden these folks rather than shame them.

#104 | Posted by eberly

So your advice is stop telling racists that they're racist. Yes trump voters are racist, even if they dont dislike minorities themselves, they happily vote for a man who hates minorities in a party that tries to keep them from voting. Support of racist government is racism. Therefore there are no "non-racist" republicans, unless they are registered republicans who dont vote for republican candidates.

Thank for the advice though.

#116 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-07-18 11:41 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You gotta wonder if racism is behind folks who claimed to like the ACA but who said they hated Obamacare.

#117 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-07-18 11:44 AM | Reply

--#116 | POSTED BY SCREAMLOUDLY

bla bla bla bla bla...blaaaaaaaa

#118 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-07-18 11:46 AM | Reply

bla bla bla bla bla...blaaaaaaaa

#118 | Posted by nullifidian

You trump cultists always whine about being tired of being called stupid but you just can't stop proving it.

#119 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-07-18 11:48 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"That's well and good, but elections aren't won by winning over the other side's supporters. They are won by winning over the middle."

We're talking about those who previously voted for Obama and then later voted for either Trump or a third party candidate in 2016. Those are the people Democrats need to win back if they want to win again in 2020.

#120 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-07-18 11:49 AM | Reply

You also gotta wonder about the Tea Partiers who were so up in arms about the deficit under Obama but who couldn't care less about the trillion dollar deficit Trump is about to rack up.

You also gotta wonder about people going nuts about Obama wearing a tan suit and Michelle waring sleeveless dresses. Really?

We're just not talking about policy differences here. We are talking about something else.

#121 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-07-18 11:49 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Believe what you want....but if you want to win this election, then narrow the racist accusations to Trump himself and leave his voters, and potential voters, out of it.
This is my opinion...you will embolden these folks rather than shame them.
#104 | POSTED BY EBERLY

They are going to be emboldened regardless. I am not going to tiptoe around Trump supporters. I know they are snowflakes, but it is not my job to prevent them from getting their poor little feelings hurt. By supporting Trump now (though its not like we didn't know this stuff about him before the election) they are showing that they either are fine with racism, or just don't care about it. If they need a safe space, they can go watch some sports (though be careful of the NFL!).

And there are a lot of racists out there. They may think they are not racist, but they support institutional racism and make racist jokes (and claim the jokes aren't actually racist, or that liberals are being to sensitive), and I don't want to even think about how this unawareness of their own racism everyday translates into disadvantages to people of color when they interact with them. They have been this way for years (probably their whole life). Trump has just brought these things out into the sunlight.

So, I probably won't "convert" any Trump supporters. It may even make them more strongly support Trump. I can accept that.

But telling the truth is always better. Maybe it will insult the little snowflakes enough that they actually are fired up enough to re-elect Trump. (I doubt it, but it is possible... elections are complicated and one variable out of thousands could provide the tipping point). But, in the long term, it is for the best. The younger generations are being completely turned off from the Republican party, and it is because they have access to the truth and make their own decisions from it. Every Trumper who I lie to and say that they are not complicit and responsible for their actions and the actions of the person that they raised up, possibly gets read by a young person who is now trying to figure out what is right, what is wrong, who to trust, and who not to. Most of the Trumpers will probably be dead in 30 years. And then we will rely on those young people, who are now deciding who they are and what they stand for, to clean up the messes that Republicans and Trump have made. I prefer that they don't have to rely on watered down information just because I am afraid to hurt a racist's feelings.

#122 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-07-18 11:56 AM | Reply

"That's not what I said. I said that not crediting Obama for leading us out of the worst recession since the Great Depression of 1929 seems a bit racist to me. Because it is."

If Obama had an R next to his name instead of a D, those same people wouldn't just be praising him but hailing him as a ---- god. You underestimate how simplistic the partisan brain is, because you have one yourself.

#123 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-07-18 11:57 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"no Zed....YOU are saying they are bad people...not good people doing bad things."

Most of us like to think of ourselves and the people we love and associate with as good people, but maybe the truth is that most people aren't totally good (white hats) or totally bad (black hats) but shades of gray (hats).

#124 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-07-18 11:58 AM | Reply

We're talking about those who previously voted for Obama and then later voted for either Trump or a third party candidate in 2016. Those are the people Democrats need to win back if they want to win again in 2020.

#120 | Posted by sentinel

Yup. The nonpartisan anti establishment voters than corky says don't exist.

They made dems lose in 2016 and they'll make dems lose again in 2020 if dems offer them another establishment puppet.

The last time dems ran a sellout centrist and won was 1992. Gore lost in 2000. Kerry lost in 2004. Obama ran as a populist outsider and won. Clinton lost in 2016.

See the pattern dems? Stevie wonder could see it at this point.

#125 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-07-18 11:58 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Does anyone remember the old "He Will Not Divide Us" mantra?

It looks like the Shia LeBeouf project was a our last, best hope for peace. It failed.

But in the year of the Shadow War, it became something greater...

#126 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-07-18 12:09 PM | Reply

Most of us like to think of ourselves and the people we love and associate with as good people, but maybe the truth is that most people aren't totally good (white hats) or totally bad (black hats) but shades of gray (hats).

#124 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

Its not that you aren't good or bad, its that you acknowledge the potential of being evil. If you only think you are good, you are probably a pretty evil person.

This an interesting point about "religion" it teaches that you aren't god, that you are fallible, you can be evil.

The secular life has forgotten this.

#127 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-07-18 12:10 PM | Reply

You also gotta wonder about the Tea Partiers who were so up in arms about the deficit under Obama but who couldn't care less about the trillion dollar deficit Trump is about to rack up.

We have given up .... we don't care, this occured under Obama, when you can't even get the government to stop funding BigBird ... whats the chances of anything actually changing??

today just don't raise my taxes Bro! Because I would like as much as possible for when it goes south .... and it will perhaps sooner than I imagined.

Yacht Owners Ditch Life on Land for the High Seas
www.wsj.com

Better find yourself an exit strategy.

#128 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-07-18 12:13 PM | Reply

Trump -------- are nothing more than abunch of soldiers "Just following orders" They are part of a party that openly disdains critical thinking.

#129 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-07-18 12:13 PM | Reply

--critical thinking.

lol. From leftoids? They still think "scientific socialism" will work; it just needs another chance.

#130 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-07-18 12:18 PM | Reply

Believe what you want....but if you want to win this election, then narrow the racist accusations to Trump himself and leave his voters, and potential voters, out of it.
This is my opinion...you will embolden these folks rather than shame them

I think we should call out the Trump-supporting racists like the Neo-Nazis. I think we should explain why we think Trump's tweets are racist and why we believe chanting, "Send her back" is racist. Not all Trump supporters are racist, so I agree with Eberly that lumping them all together like that is a big mistake. The fact is that some people who aren't racist, and who may even think Trump is one, are going to vote for him anyway, because they believe he will do something positive for them (which they value more than whether or not he is a racist) or because they fear the Democrats will do something negative to them (again, which they value more than whether someone is a racist), and so they believe Trump is the lesser of two evils. Some will also vote for Trump out of tribal identity, not based on skin color, but on politics and maybe on religion, i.e., just because he is a Republican and a Christian and so are they.

#131 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-07-18 12:20 PM | Reply

Its not that you aren't good or bad, its that you acknowledge the potential of being evil. If you only think you are good, you are probably a pretty evil person.
This an interesting point about "religion" it teaches that you aren't god, that you are fallible, you can be evil.

Are you including Donald Trump, the supreme narcissist, in that "pretty evil person" category?

#132 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-07-18 12:28 PM | Reply

"The secular life has forgotten this."

So have some of the staunchly religious who believe God is on their side rather than trying to determine if they are on God's side, as the saying goes.

#133 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-07-18 12:34 PM | Reply

Its not that you aren't good or bad, its that you acknowledge the potential of being evil. If you only think you are good, you are probably a pretty evil person.
This an interesting point about "religion" it teaches that you aren't god, that you are fallible, you can be evil.
The secular life has forgotten this.

#127 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS

This is the hypocrisy of religion. Religious people really think they are good.

You literally just talk about how religious life is good compared to secular life.

As you said, if you think you are good, then you are probably a pretty evil person. Thank you for admitting it.

#134 | Posted by Sycophant at 2019-07-18 12:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Does anyone remember the old "He Will Not Divide Us" mantra?
It looks like the Shia LeBeouf project was a our last, best hope for peace. It failed.
But in the year of the Shadow War, it became something greater...

#126 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

Yes, he divided us like slavery divided us.

So your point is we should have just allowed slavery rather than let it divide us? We should just allow Trump and his racism rather than let it divide us?

Be honest, you like Trump and his racism. Why hide it?

#135 | Posted by Sycophant at 2019-07-18 12:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

As I pointed out in another thread, the entire premise for the Trump campaign was the equivalent of an internet 4chan troll, and framing his opponents as tumblr trolls. Until you guys figure this out, he's going to keep running circles around you and trapping you into displaying the behavior he wants you to.

"I think we should call out the Trump-supporting racists like the Neo-Nazis"

Nobody has an issue with calling out those people. It's everyone else getting lumped in with those people by the broad brush that the irrational people think they're justified in using.

"I think we should explain why we think Trump's tweets are racist and why we believe chanting, "Send her back" is racist.

Still waiting for someone to do this. So far the only reason I've seen given this is dubious premise that he singled her out "solely" for being a so-called "woman of color", based solely on the fact she happens to be one.

#136 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-07-18 12:44 PM | Reply

#6 | Posted by danni I do note that no one accused Trump of racism until he ran for office. He was a Democrat back in the 90s, so you might have a point.

#9 | Posted by docnjo

Trump had to find a political party that matched with his racist tendencies. The GOP was it.

The GOP have been using 'others' for decades. Nixon's 'Southern Strategy,' Reagan's 'Welfare Queens,' GHW Bush's 'Willie Horton,' etc.

#137 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-07-18 12:45 PM | Reply

"So your point is we should have just allowed slavery rather than let it divide us? We should just allow Trump and his racism rather than let it divide us?
Be honest, you like Trump and his racism. Why hide it?"

I can only conclude you're either trolling here, in which case I won't take the bait, or you lack the intelligence to engage in intelligible debate, in which case I won't waste my time with you.

#138 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-07-18 12:46 PM | Reply

#117 Gal,

Call Medicare Part D WCare and watch its approval drop 10 points.

#139 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-18 12:49 PM | Reply

Looks like she probably married her brother to get him U.S. Citizenship.

www.snopes.com

#140 | Posted by boaz at 2019-07-18 12:50 PM | Reply

Congresswoman Ilhan Omar (D-Minn.) is facing questions after a report was unable to disprove that she married her brother to protect his immigration status.

As IJR previously reported, the congresswoman came under fire after the Minnesota Campaign Finance Board uncovered the fact that the congresswoman had filed joint taxes with a man she wasn't legally married to.

Omar filed taxes with her current husband, Ahmed Hirsi, while she was legally married to Ahmed Nur Said Elmi.

ijr.com

#141 | Posted by boaz at 2019-07-18 12:54 PM | Reply

"I agree with you on this. Danni's claim of "racism" for not supporting Obama is a little over the top."
That's not what I said. I said that not crediting Obama for leading us out of the worst recession since the Great Depression of 1929 seems a bit racist to me. Because it is.

#113 | POSTED BY DANNI AT 2019-07-18 11:41 AM | FLAG:

No, you never give Trump any credit for this economy, you give all the credit for this economy to Obama and if anyone disagrees they are a racist.

#142 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-07-18 12:56 PM | Reply

Donald Trump is having the time of his life.

#143 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-07-18 12:58 PM | Reply

#139 Don't Compare Obamacare to Bush's Medicare Part D

newrepublic.com

The resistance to Medicare Part D came before the program was rolled out (because it wasn't paid for) and during the roll out ("Even Republicans called it a disaster.") The opposition to Obamacare while liking the ACA came during the 2016 election and involved people who were actually enrolled in the ACA but didn't realize Obamacare and the ACA were one in the same. Apples and oranges as you like to say.

#144 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-07-18 01:05 PM | Reply

Trump is a racist, a demagogue, and an authoritarian nationalist. What's funny is that Devofidian and the rest of the rwingers here are now right of all the GOPers who recognize that.

#145 | Posted by Corky at 2019-07-18 01:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

We have given up .... we don't care, this occured under Obama, when you can't even get the government to stop funding BigBird ... whats the chances of anything actually changing??

today just don't raise my taxes Bro! Because I would like as much as possible for when it goes south .... and it will perhaps sooner than I imagined.

Yacht Owners Ditch Life on Land for the High Seas
www.wsj.com

Better find yourself an exit strategy.

#128 | Posted by AndreaMackris

Trump DID raise your taxes, so he could cut taxes on the rich. Sucker.

And you didn't give up under obama. Repubs stopped caring about debt the second obama was gone. Just like they stopped caring the second clinton was gone. Because they never cared. They just pretended to in order to scam some more votes from suckers.

#146 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-07-18 01:11 PM | Reply

Donald Trump is having the time of his life.

#143 | Posted by lee_the_agent

So is the KKK. They finally have a president they love. Is that something to gloat about?

#147 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-07-18 01:11 PM | Reply

Before he was afraid to speak truth to power:

"I want to talk to the Trump supporters for a moment. I don't know who you are, and I don't know why you like this guy," he began. "I think what you like about him is he appears to be strong and the rest of us are weak. He's a very successful businessman and he's going to make everything great."

"He's a race-baiting, xenophobic, religious bigot," [Lindsay] Graham continued. "He doesn't represent my party. He doesn't represents the values that the men and women who wear the uniform are fighting for. ... He's the ISIL man of the year."

www.washingtonexaminer.com

#148 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-07-18 01:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

No, you never give Trump any credit for this economy, you give all the credit for this economy to Obama and if anyone disagrees they are a racist.

#142 | Posted by fishpaw

If you are going to give trump credit for this economy, then he'll get the credit when it collapses, no matter who is in office at that time.

Tax cuts are simply stolen prosperity from the future. You can max out your credit card and live like a a king, but does that mean your personal economy is doing great? Are you going to whine when the bill arrives and act shocked?

Trump's economy is like doing cocaine and saying "this feeling will last forever!"

#149 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-07-18 01:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

---speak truth to power

lol. One of the more arrogant, self-righteous cliches used by the Left, along with "right side of history."

#150 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-07-18 01:16 PM | Reply

This rally was in NC, so racist chants are as common as saying "y'all".

#151 | Posted by leftcoastlawyer at 2019-07-18 01:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#150 | Posted by nullifidian

After abandoning everything you used to stand for, you must have to wear sunglasses, a fedora, and a trench coat with turned up collar to disguise yourself at Trump events lest your neighbors think you've gone off your rocker. Which is probable, anyway.

Why haven't you moved to rural Texas? You'd be much happier there among fellow Trump supporters.

#152 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-07-18 01:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

It's too bad we aren't all meeting in person.

We could hold up a doll and ask you to show us where a brown person hurt you.

#153 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-07-18 01:23 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

It's too bad we aren't all meeting in person.

We could hold up a doll and ask you to show us where a brown person hurt you.

#154 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-07-18 01:23 PM | Reply

He's flipped flopped.

Trump disavows 'send her back' chant from his rally

www.politico.com

This'll get the ratings back up.

#155 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-07-18 01:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The hate, the accusations, the labeling is close to the tipping point.
My question is....What the hell will the next 4 years be like if Trump wins again?

#156 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2019-07-18 01:29 PM | Reply

"-You think calling anyone who opposes socialism a racist is going to work?

they do. they sincerely do think that's going to work.
#45 | POSTED BY EBERLY"

^
That's a two way street, with Lindsey Graham and the rest of the GOP calling their opponents Socialists and anti-Semites...

...Which won't turn off any right-wingers, because they are drinking the same Kool-Aid.

#157 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-18 01:33 PM | Reply

I do note that no one accused Trump of racism until he ran for office.
.........................#9 | Posted by docnjo

UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
F. # EASTERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,
Plaintiff,
- against -
FRED C. TRUMP, DONALD TRUMP
and TRUMP MANAGEMENT, INC.,

Why do most of us know about this - and the Central Park 5, who were exonerated after spending years in prison (see Trump's full court press, including full page ads in the NYT, to convict them based on their race, but you don't?

#158 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-07-18 01:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Or Trump's 'birtherism' nonsense, long before the 2016 election ..

#159 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-07-18 01:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

#156

We'll all start wearing expensive badly tailored suits and oddly long ties.

#160 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-07-18 01:36 PM | Reply

lol. One of the more arrogant, self-righteous cliches used by the Left, along with "right side of history."

#150 | Posted by nullifidian

This the left has been on the right side of history on:

slavery
civil rights
womens rights
gay rights
vietnam
the drug war
campaign funding
wall street regulation
iraq
the new deal
trickle down economics

Things the right has been on the right side of history on:
....?
Anyone got anything?

#161 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-07-18 01:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The hate, the accusations, the labeling is close to the tipping point.
My question is....What the hell will the next 4 years be like if Trump wins again?

#156 | Posted by phesterOBoyle

Yes your cult has no tolerance for hate, accusations, and labelling do they?

#162 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-07-18 01:38 PM | Reply

I lost track of Jennifer Granholm (former Michigan governor and now CNN commentator apparently and I have NO love for her) but all of a sudden she popped up last with her tirade against Kayleigh McEnany doubling down on Trump's "Leave" stance. Huffpost She is absolutely right.

And no offense boaz - but no different from the 60s and "love it or leave it"? One hell of a lot of change for the good happened then but some really bad things too (the Vietnam war for one). I have heard the "Love it or Leave it" growing up and always (even as a child) thought is was an incredibly ignorant thing to say. I have heard it from my own friends mouths at times when they try to defend the indefensible. You can absolutely love your country but not your government or the actions of your government. Love it and change it - that I can agree with. I am disgusted by Trump, his deputes and the GOP in general daily - but that doesn't mean I don't love this country of for that matter even the good people that have been brainwashed in it.

#163 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2019-07-18 01:39 PM | Reply

#161 | Posted by SpeakSoftly

NULLI has made a complete metamorphosis from and Obama supporter to full on MAGAt.

We need to get him in a room and ask him to "show us on the doll where the brown person hurt you."

#164 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-07-18 01:40 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 4

Now that the crowd has taken up the mantle of hating Ilhan Omar, Trump is trying to claim he didn't like the send her back chant which was just repeating his tweet. Hi tweet started it. He owns it.

#165 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-07-18 01:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

--NULLI has made a complete metamorphosis from and Obama supporter to full on MAGAt.

I was also a Marxist-Leninist at one time. Unlike a narrow-minded waterhead like you, I was too smart to be a cradle-to-grave party hack.

#166 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-07-18 01:58 PM | Reply

Trump has been racist since Fred told him not to stand in front of doors of apartments to collect back rent. He said he'd get shot.

#167 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-07-18 02:00 PM | Reply

I was also a Marxist-Leninist at one time. Unlike a narrow-minded waterhead like you, I was too smart to be a cradle-to-grave party hack.

#166 | Posted by nullifidian

So you're the type of person who just loves joining cults with terrible economic theories and you dont really care what kind.

#168 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-07-18 02:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

--who just loves joining cults

Well I never joined the Elon Musk cult like you.

#169 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-07-18 02:09 PM | Reply

"the send her back chant which was just repeating his tweet"

Trump's turned you into a pathological liar, if you weren't one already. Partisan hacks will lap up your statement in the same way hardcore Trump supporters lap up his without any critical thought. You don't even realize you're down in the mud with him

#170 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-07-18 02:15 PM | Reply

"He's flipped flopped"

Of course he has. Did anyone here think he wouldn't? He lured people into the firepit and left them standing there while he stands on side pointing and saying "wow, look at that!" And you guys fall for it every time.

#171 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-07-18 02:18 PM | Reply

And no offense boaz - but no different from the 60s and "love it or leave it"?

I think people are just getting tired of the anti american stance. If people think America is so bad, why dont they leave? If it's so oppressive, go somewhere else. Stop trying to change everything. It was, and still if great.

#172 | Posted by boaz at 2019-07-18 02:25 PM | Reply

Well I never joined the Elon Musk cult like you.

#169 | Posted by nullifidian

Really? What kind of car do you drive? GM's cult? Nissan's cult? Can you even afford one?

#173 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-07-18 02:30 PM | Reply

If people think America is so bad, why dont they leave? If it's so oppressive, go somewhere else. Stop trying to change everything. It was, and still if great.

#172 | Posted by boaz

Yeah that was trump's campaign slogan in 2016 wasn't it? "America is terrible! So we should all leave!" Didn't he put that on a red hat and sell it to morons?

#174 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-07-18 02:31 PM | Reply

"Or Trump's 'birtherism' nonsense, long before the 2016 election .."

The birtherism stuff was nonsense, but it wasn't racial or racist. It was also used by opponents against John McCain and Mitt Romney.

One definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. Repeating false claims of racism over and over and expecting it not to backfire fits that definition.

#175 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-07-18 02:32 PM | Reply

The birtherism stuff was nonsense, but it wasn't racial or racist. It was also used by opponents against John McCain and Mitt Romney.

One definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. Repeating false claims of racism over and over and expecting it not to backfire fits that definition.

#175 | Posted by sentinel

The left is too quick to cry racism, but birtherism was DEFINITELY racist. Only racists or ignoramuses would deny that.

#176 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-07-18 02:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I was also a Marxist-Leninist at one time. Unlike a narrow-minded waterhead like you, I was too smart to be a cradle-to-grave party hack."

Just a word of caution. Don't assume others will always be in the same place they are now. People probably saw you that way back then, just like other people see you that way now, even though your journey is not complete.

#177 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-07-18 02:35 PM | Reply

"show us on the doll where the brown person hurt you."

rofl.... it's like Jose Feliciano dropped him on his head as a baby.

Like I said, now he's to the right politically of people like Lindsey Graham and Marco Rubio.

#178 | Posted by Corky at 2019-07-18 02:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Trump's MAGA slogan implicitly says America Sucks and we need to change it. People who voted for that slogan have no place telling anyone to love it or leave it. America IS great but it can be a lot better. The republicans are trying actively to make America worse for many Americans who they believe are throw away people. The sick, disabled, poor, and elderly will not do well under republican policies no matter how hard they work. Republicans are ok with huge swaths of the American populace living in poverty. I am not.

They don't care, Do you?

#179 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-07-18 02:45 PM | Reply

'"show us on the doll where the brown person hurt you."
rofl.... it's like Jose Feliciano dropped him on his head as a baby.'

^^ thinks belittling child abuse is hilarious.

#180 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-07-18 02:47 PM | Reply

- a cradle-to-grave party hack.

When one party in a 2 party system has had demonstrably better policies for the American people than the other for the last nearly 70 years, not to mention a distinct absence of Presidents who have been criminals like Nixon, traitors like Reagan, imbeciles like GW, and the current tri-fecta of Trump.... calling an advocate of those better policies a "hack" is obscenely stupid.

And supporting Trump is not only stupid, it's immoral.

#181 | Posted by Corky at 2019-07-18 02:48 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

#180

Says the guy who just today said that a physical attacker deserved the death penalty.

But I see, it's only funny if you say it. If someone else uses that sort of humor, it's not. Got it.

#182 | Posted by Corky at 2019-07-18 02:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#182- you thought I was being humorous in that thread?

#183 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-07-18 02:54 PM | Reply

#127,8 and #130 - Tou'all might be Russian IDIOT$, please have it checked out?

Seriously!

#184 | Posted by getoffmedz at 2019-07-18 02:55 PM | Reply

#181 - Supporting Trump is a sign of inbreeding or FAS-or both. FULL SIOP.

#185 | Posted by getoffmedz at 2019-07-18 02:59 PM | Reply

#183

Yeah, I gave it a funny flag.... but hey, if you say it should have been an insane flag, OK.

#186 | Posted by Corky at 2019-07-18 03:04 PM | Reply

^^ thinks belittling child abuse is hilarious.

#180 | Posted by sentinel

Fox n friends has been joking about it for months.

#187 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-07-18 03:05 PM | Reply

Trump took out a full page ad calling for the death penalty for some black kids who didn't even kill anyone.

#188 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-18 03:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#173 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

Do you Muskites have prayer meetings where you watch High Priest Musk on giant tv screens?

#189 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-07-18 03:09 PM | Reply

What does Nullifidian drive?

Please let it be a Marxist Leninist Yugo!

#190 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-18 03:09 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

- Muskites have prayer meetings

mediaproxy.salon.com

#191 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-18 03:14 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

i65.tinypic.com

#192 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-18 03:15 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Do you Muskites have prayer meetings where you watch High Priest Musk on giant tv screens?

#189 | Posted by nullifidian

It's hilarious how many low income losers around here lost their minds as soon as I revealed I could afford an awesome car.

Look at your life. It's a result of the mistakes you've made. Don't hate me for avoiding your foolish choices.

#193 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-07-18 03:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

So.... Devofidian's only "argument" to #181 is a FF.

Meaning he has no argument at all, as per usual. But then, trolls never do.

#194 | Posted by Corky at 2019-07-18 03:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

10 signs that ScreamLoudly is a member of a cult.

.I have, so I researched how to identify a religious cult. Rick Ross, an expert on cults and intervention specialist, developed a list of ten warning signs for unsafe groups, which is published by the Cult Education Institute. So let's take a look at all ten signs and compare:

https://medium.com/@hwater84/climate-change-and-the-ten-warning-signs-for-cults-56c181db82c1

#195 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-07-18 03:29 PM | Reply

#195 | Posted by nullifidian

Is one of the signs that you can't even properly post a link?

#196 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-07-18 03:32 PM | Reply

- What does Nullifidian drive?

Why he hates brown kids...

www.google.com

#197 | Posted by Corky at 2019-07-18 03:33 PM | Reply

#195 describes how right-wingers feel about Capitalism.

#198 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-18 03:34 PM | Reply

psmag.com

"A Cult Expert Finds Familiar Patterns of Behavior in Trump's GOP
What do you call an organization where total loyalty to a charismatic but volatile leader is strictly enforced?"

newrepublic.com
"Millions of Americans are blindly devoted to their Dear Leader. What will it take for them to snap out of it?"

www.salon.com

"The MAGA Bomber is right: Donald Trump is "like a new found drug"
2020 Democrats, know this: Trumpism is not just about Donald Trump -- it's an impenetrable authoritarian cult"

medium.com
"The Trump Cult?
A charismatic leader, mind control, and other telltale signs"

nymag.com
"The GOP Is a Trump Cult, Boasts Donald Trump Jr."

"that's how cults work. They start off by inculcating some sense of group loyalty, then they are taught to disregard any external source of information -- and, say, instead get their news from a source that is working for the cult, like Fox News -- and pretty soon, they have lost any capacity to make independent judgments. Eventually, they are praising the toughness of Kim Jong-un and treating Donald Trump Jr. as a respected and accomplished figure."

#199 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-07-18 03:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Seen that link problem before.

www.powerlineblog.com

#200 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-07-18 03:40 PM | Reply

I have, so I researched how to identify a religious cult. Rick Ross, an expert on cults and intervention specialist, developed a list of ten warning signs for unsafe groups, which is published by the Cult Education Institute. So let's take a look at all ten signs and compare:

1. Absolute authoritarianism without meaningful accountability.

www.powerlineblog.com

#201 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-07-18 03:42 PM | Reply

--A charismatic leader, mind control, and other telltale signs"

Yep, sounds like Elon Musk. Not sure if anyone would call Al Gore charismatic.

#202 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-07-18 03:44 PM | Reply

- powerlineblog.com

rofl... were it not for crappy rwing links, Dullifidian would have no links at all.

powerline is a media child of:

The Center of the American Experiment (CAE) is a right-wing pressure group based in Minnesota. It is a member of the State Policy Network (SPN), a web of state pressure groups that denote themselves as "think tanks" and drive a right-wing agenda in statehouses nationwide. On the homepage of its website, CAE lists its issue areas as: Minnesota economy, healthcare, families, governance, education and employee freedom.[1]

www.sourcewatch.org

Which is brought to you courtesy of the Koch brothers.

#203 | Posted by Corky at 2019-07-18 03:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

But one supposes that to really troll liberals, Null Set had to become a rwinger.... then when people call him on his trolling, as I did in #181, all they get is flags.... because that's all he has.

Oh, and ludicrous rwing fake news links.

#204 | Posted by Corky at 2019-07-18 03:54 PM | Reply

I was also a Marxist-Leninist at one time. Unlike a narrow-minded waterhead like you, I was too smart to be a cradle-to-grave party hack.

#166 | Posted by nullifidian

I'm not the one who's abandoned every value I used to hold like you have.

I've voted for Republicans in the past.

Haven't been able to since they were taken over by crazies, became the poster children for hypocrites and utter nonsense, and started setting up their own office holders for defeat for speaking the truth and acting like adults who want to get something done for all Americans, not just the top 1%.

#205 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-07-18 03:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

--www.sourcewatch.org

lol. They are farther to the Left than the CPUSA.

#206 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-07-18 03:55 PM | Reply

PS - I've never been a communist as you've asserted you were.

#207 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-07-18 03:56 PM | Reply

#206

Thanks for proving the point. You have no argument for the lame rwing assertions you make in your lame trolling... so, but, everyone here knows that by now.

You've become a yuuge Trumpian joke.

Tell us another one....

#208 | Posted by Corky at 2019-07-18 04:05 PM | Reply

lol. They are farther to the Left than the CPUSA.

#206 | Posted by nullifidian

Every source not aligned with your cult is immediately dimissed by your cult as being leftist extremists.

Which is one of the signs you're in a cult: "Don't believe any outside sources of info! They're all lying to you except me!"

Musk has never said that. Trump says it every day.

#209 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-07-18 04:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#208 | POSTED BY 0 AT 2019-07-18 04:05 PM

Corkus of Nothingham saying nothing as usual. Just a big fat zero.

#210 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-07-18 04:08 PM | Reply

"Yeah, I gave it a funny flag.... but hey, if you say it should have been an insane flag, OK."

In your case, it's the same thing!

#211 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-07-18 04:17 PM | Reply

Corkus of Nothingham saying nothing as usual. Just a big fat zero.

#210 | Posted by nullifidian

same as your response to #199

#212 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-07-18 04:19 PM | Reply

#212 | Posted by SpeakSoftly

d27bygd3qv5fha.cloudfront.net

#213 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-07-18 04:31 PM | Reply

- Just a big fat zero.

Still no argument to #181..... I would wait, but that would be the definition of insanity.

#214 | Posted by Corky at 2019-07-18 04:34 PM | Reply

Elon Musk is my God', ‘My favourite human being', ‘This guy is the future!', ‘Find a way to make him immortal!'. Exclamations like these abound in the comment section under any Elon Musk related YouTube video. For a libertarian-billionaire CEO, Musk seems to have accrued a rather uncanny divine status.

#215 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-07-18 04:34 PM | Reply

#213

One does have to wonder who castrated Dulli politically and morally.

Was it just Obama not bringing his Green Lantern Ring to Washington?

Or was it falling in love with Der Orange Fuehrer?

Only The Mattress Knows.

#216 | Posted by Corky at 2019-07-18 04:37 PM | Reply

Elon Musk is a messianic huckster - The Week
theweek.com

Mar 13, 2018 - Elon Musk is a goofball techbro whose real business is quack philosophizing, not inventions or engineering. I realize that the founder of Tesla .

#217 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-07-18 04:46 PM | Reply

You've got to be crazy to think any trump supporter on this site approaches the level of you guys as "fanatics".
#39 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Well there's a giant pile of ---- for a post, if I've ever seen one.

#218 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-07-18 04:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Show us the outrage over Trump's racism when he was a democrat.

#54 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2019-07-18 10:24 AM | FLAG:

This assertion has been made several different ways by different people on this thread and, while it's been pretty well debunked by reminders of Trump's full-page ad about the Central Park Five and lawsuits over his family's real estate holdings, I think we're overlooking an important point: Trump was not the president, nor even a candidate, when he was a Democrat. His political party was of little consequence to most people then.

#219 | Posted by cbob at 2019-07-18 04:46 PM | Reply

It's funny to see Nullifidian's climate denier piece plastered all over the Alternate News Universe:
www.google.com

#220 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-18 04:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The (R)tards are out in this thread defending their own racism and bigotry.
These troglodytes don't love America, they embrace fascism, racism, bigotry and hate.
They hate American and what America stands for.

Unless someone is 100% Native American, their relatives immigrated here and have no business telling others they need to "go back to where they came from".

The "love it or leave it crowd" also needs to STFU.
You hilljacks were not "loving" it when the black guy was there in the Whitehouse, why didn't YOU leave? You were here whining and crying and trying to drown everyone with your racist tears.

You see fools on here trying to defend their own and their kinds racism.
It's pathetic as hell.

#221 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-07-18 05:06 PM | Reply

"You've got to be crazy to think any trump supporter on this site approaches the level of you guys as "fanatics".

You've got Trumpers here who kill for a living.
Proud of the women and children they burned alive in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Birth control for terrorists, they call it.

Who's crazier than that?
I want names.

#222 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-18 05:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Elon Musk is my God', ‘My favourite human being', ‘This guy is the future!', ‘Find a way to make him immortal!'. Exclamations like these abound in the comment section under any Elon Musk related YouTube video. For a libertarian-billionaire CEO, Musk seems to have accrued a rather uncanny divine status.

#215 | Posted by nullifidian

A guy does great things for the planet, hires 40000 people, changes the direction of an entire industry and you're suprised he has fans? That's how it's supposed to work - do good things, people like you.

In your cult it's - do bad things, people like you. Because those people are monsters.

#223 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-07-18 05:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

SO, Dulli's Orange Delight Pres reacts to the reaction to his lemming chanters....

Trump: "I'm not happy" with "send her back" chant

www.youtube.com

Wherein he spends 1 second saying that, then 5 more minutes telling the media how the Congress women HATE AMERICA!

So, different day, same Trump.

#224 | Posted by Corky at 2019-07-18 06:27 PM | Reply

-Well there's a giant pile of ---- for a post, if I've ever seen one.

Thanks. I try hard

#225 | Posted by eberly at 2019-07-18 07:21 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

222

When you say "here" what do you mean?

#226 | Posted by eberly at 2019-07-18 07:22 PM | Reply

The DR.

#227 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-18 07:26 PM | Reply

Looks like she probably married her brother to get him U.S. Citizenship.

www.snopes.com

#140 | Posted by boaz at 2019-07-18 12:50 PM |

and what did Snope said about this?

"We found no public records or credible sources contradicting Omar's account of her past, nor any substantive evidence corroborating claims that Elmi is her brother or that their marriage was otherwise fraudulent. In addition, some of the claims offered in support of the rumor don't seem to add up."

Your a god damn idiot BOAZ that's what Snope says

#228 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2019-07-18 11:16 PM | Reply

Punchy,

New investigative documents released by a state agency have given fresh life to lingering questions about the marital history of Rep. Ilhan Omar and whether she once married a man -- possibly her own brother -- to skirt immigration laws.

www.startribune.com

Snopes is far from the be-all / end-all.

Local news media typically does the best job of reporting and it's sad to see the industry in such decline.

#229 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-18 11:21 PM | Reply

#229 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-18 11:21 PM | Reply | Flag

From your posted article

"Conservative activists say photos and other social media posted by Omar and Elmi on Instagram and Facebook suggest Omar may not be telling the truth. The Star Tribune has been unable to independently obtain the original posts, although images purporting to be screen grabs continue to populate right-leaning media sites such as Power Line Blog, PJ Media and Alpha News. They remain in public view.

One image featured on AlphaNewsMN depicts an Instagram photo purportedly posted by Elmi on June 12, 2012, the day after Omar gave birth to her third child. It shows a close-up picture of Elmi holding a newborn child the website says is Omar's, based on accompanying text that ostensibly refers to the baby girl as "nieces."

That and other Instagram photos have since been removed.

Siblings who petition for a U.S. visa for a noncitizen sibling have typically had to wait more than a dozen years to obtain the document, according to the U.S. State Department. Applications for a spouse carry a minimal waiting period, but Minnetonka-based immigration lawyer Steven Thal said examples of siblings fraudulently marrying to gain immigration benefits are nearly unheard of compared to cases of strangers marrying to get green cards.

"It is so rare that you would think that it would be more easily uncovered," Thal said."

in other words it says your not very bright either

#230 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2019-07-18 11:50 PM | Reply

in other words it says your (sic) not very bright either

#230 | POSTED BY PUNCHYPOSSUM

I'm not the one making a declarative statement. Nothing has been 100% proven. Having said that, plenty of evidence exists that she was married to 2 different men at the same time, one of whom was her brother, and that she violated immigration laws in the process.

The Tribune is the first mainstream outlet to touch this story. It probably won't be the last.

#231 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-19 12:00 AM | Reply

#231 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-19 12:00 AM

"I'm not the one making a declarative statement"

But you jumped right in there to push the BS conspiracy didn't you

"plenty of evidence exists that she was married to 2 different men at the same time, one of whom was her brother, and that she violated immigration laws in the process."

actually, yours and boaz previous post says there is not plenty of evidence and seem to think its probably BS

"The Tribune is the first mainstream outlet to touch this story. It probably won't be the last."

I highly doubt there will be many mainstream media willing to touch this bs story

#232 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2019-07-19 12:45 AM | Reply

You gotta love TRump's planning people. They always seem to find that one black guy at their rallies and stick him in right behind TRump just in case any other black fools might think it is ok to vote for that crazy criminal. Trump is scum and if you support him your are stupid.

#233 | Posted by Tknees2 at 2019-07-19 12:46 AM | Reply

TKNEES

"They always seem to find that one black guy at their rallies "

Ya' gotta' wonder if BOAZ has ever tried to volunteer.

#234 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-07-19 12:51 AM | Reply

TKNEES

Based on the numerous pics and video clips of Trump rallies I've seen over at least the past couple of years, it's the same lone African-American guy, usually seated in (or close to) Trump's camera frame.

#235 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-07-19 01:17 AM | Reply

But you jumped right in there to push the BS conspiracy didn't you

Here's the thing - it's not a BS conspiracy theory. it's a theory that has plenty of supporting evidence.

I highly doubt there will be many mainstream media willing to touch this bs story

#232 | POSTED BY PUNCHYPOSSUM

It will depend on whether or not she's viewed as a detriment or a boon to the leftist narrative. If she becomes a problem, it will go under a microscope.

#236 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-19 01:32 AM | Reply

#231 There is plenty of evidence that Melania Trump was a illegal immigrant prostitute that committed adultery with Donald and obtained a fraudulent visa before giving birth to an anchor baby and chain immigrating her parents. People are saying that Melania pretends to be Ivanka during sex with Donald. SICK!

#237 | Posted by bored at 2019-07-19 01:33 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

Here's the thing - it's not a BS conspiracy theory. it's a theory that has plenty of supporting evidence.
#236 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-19 01:32 AM | Reply

Yeah just like there was plenty of evidence Obama was from Kenya.

You're the eternal sucker just like all Trump supporters

#238 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2019-07-19 01:42 AM | Reply

Yeah just like there was plenty of evidence Obama was from Kenya.

You're the eternal sucker just like all Trump supporters

#238 | POSTED BY PUNCHYPOSSUM

Don't be a hack.

There was next-to-zero evidence of Obama being born in Kenya. The only evidence of it was his publicist pimping a Kenyan birth when promoting Dreams.

The Omar thing is completely different.

This isn't even a Trump thing. This story has been out there for over a year. It's only recently been picked up by a mainstream outlet.

#239 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-19 01:53 AM | Reply

Are you a 9/11 truther, Punchy?

#240 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-19 02:11 AM | Reply

#240 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-19 02:11 AM

Hell no!

#241 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2019-07-19 02:40 AM | Reply

#239 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-19 01:53 AM |

Its BS with no evidence as was pointed out by yours and Boaz links that you and boaz tried to prove it with

Boaz link said

"We found no public records or credible sources contradicting Omar's account of her past, nor any substantive evidence corroborating claims that Elmi is her brother or that their marriage was otherwise fraudulent. In addition, some of the claims offered in support of the rumor don't seem to add up."

As for your link and what it said go back and read my post #230

Your own link says its BS

#242 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2019-07-19 02:49 AM | Reply

#237 | POSTED BY BORED

Therefore you, and all your flagger friends, oppose this?

#243 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-19 02:58 AM | Reply

In January, three Trump supporters, who belonged to a militia group called the "Crusaders," were each sentenced to 25 years in prison for plotting to massacre Somali Muslims in Garden City, Kansas. That same month, two other Trump-supporting militia group members pleaded guilty to bombing a Somali mosque in Minnesota

Brian Innis, a military veteran from Roanoke Rapids, North Carolina, said he supported Trump's 2016 proposal to ban all Muslims -- 1.7 billion people -- from entering the U.S.

"Hardly no terror attacks being performed in the world by Christians," Innis stated, incorrectly. "I wouldn't say it's called profiling, but you have to direct the issue where it's coming from, and that's where it's stemming from."

www.huffpost.com

#244 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2019-07-19 03:55 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Where does Trump keep "his black guy" (Trump's own words) when he's not being used as a stage prop?

#245 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-07-19 07:39 AM | Reply

#243 Oppose what?
That Melania committed immigration fraud?
That she is an adulterer?

Yes, I don't want criminals in the Whitehouse.

Oppose the hypocrisy of raging hysteria against chain immigration and illegal immigration while doing it yourself.

Yes.

And you?

#246 | Posted by bored at 2019-07-19 11:18 AM | Reply

It's a shame Libs don't know what real racism is. Xenophobia is not racism. No matter how hard you try to redefine what racism is, you still look like idiots sometimes.

#247 | Posted by humtake at 2019-07-19 12:23 PM | Reply

It's a shame Libs don't know what real racism is. Xenophobia is not racism. No matter how hard you try to redefine what racism is, you still look like idiots sometimes.
#247 | Posted by humtake

What is the difference between the criticism Illegitimate President Bucket of ---- lobbies at McCain, etal vs. the Squad?

Hint it is racism.

#248 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-07-19 12:47 PM | Reply

"Send Melania and that little whore Ivanka back to Eastern Europe. They were both complicit in the sham marriage and ------."

Sure you guys wanna take this tack?

#249 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-07-19 05:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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