Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Tuesday, July 16, 2019

LOS ANGELES – Federal racketeering, murder and other charges were filed against 22 suspected MS-13 gang members who law enforcement officials believe are linked to a series of grisly killings involving baseball bats, machetes and other tools of "medieval-style" violence, authorities said Tuesday. Nineteen of those indicted are considered illegal immigrants, and most of the group's members arrived in the U.S. in the past four years from Central America. All but two are under the age of 24, Nicola Hanna, the U.S. Attorney for Los Angeles, announced at a news conference. Most, he added, participated in the "killing spree."

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"Nineteen of those indicted are considered illegal immigrants, and most of the group's members arrived in the U.S. in the past four years from Central America."

Let that sink in. Some people actually want more of these types to just walk into the country and be left alone.

#1 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-16 06:25 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Some people"

Who?

#2 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-16 06:33 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Just waiting for the Usual Idiots of the DR Left to remind us how the couple thousand neo-nazis are a bigger existential threat than the 10,000+ members of MS-13 that regularly commit, in the words of the LA Times today, "medieval style killing sprees" here in the US:

"The indictment cites seven instances in which members abducted victims to kill them, in some cases beating them to death with baseball bats or stabbing them to death.

In one of the most horrific allegations, several are accused of luring a perceived rival gang member who they believed to have defaced MS-13 graffiti to the forest outside Los Angeles and killed him with a machete. They dismembered his body and cut out his heart before dumping the remains into a canyon, authorities said.

The case "centers on murders and medieval-style violence," said Paul Delacourt, assistant director in charge of the FBI's Los Angeles office. Until the spree began, "we haven't seen this level of violence associated with MS-13 in Southern California."

#3 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-16 06:35 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#2

*Holds up mirror for Snoofy to gaze into*

#4 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-16 06:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#4 You lie.

I have never said we should just let everyone in.

#5 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-16 06:38 PM | Reply

Here is NBC's reporting - www.nbcnews.com

Notice that the word, "illegal" is nowhere to be found in their article, but does include this shiny gem:

"MS-13 was formed in Los Angeles in the 1980s by refugees who fled civil conflict in El Salvador"

LOL. "refugees". yeah, right.

#6 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-16 06:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

So you draw the line at known MS-13 members? So it is okay to detain and deport them?

Never heard you say that before.

#7 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-16 06:41 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I have never said we should just let everyone in.

#5 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

You argue against any measure used to determine who's who, including traffickers and the children they have in tow.

#8 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-16 06:42 PM | Reply

What is your feeling if a MS-13 member illegally crosses the border with a child? Should he/she be allowed to stay with the child? Should the child be deported? What if it isn't their child? Should the child be separated from the known MS-13 member?

#9 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-16 06:43 PM | Reply

"What is your feeling if a MS-13 member illegally crosses the border with a child?"

Their child?

#10 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-16 06:45 PM | Reply

"MS-13 was formed in Los Angeles in the 1980s by refugees who fled civil conflict in El Salvador"

This is real. Not sure what you're questioning.

Central Americans and Asylum Policy in the Reagan Era

#11 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-16 06:47 PM | Reply

Not sure what you're questioning.
#11 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

That ---------ers and drug cartel members are "refugees".

#12 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-16 06:51 PM | Reply

Here is NBC's reporting

They did a great job of reporting. A lot more information was provided along with more background into the gang.

#13 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-16 06:52 PM | Reply

Should gang members be given sanctuary, Clownshack?

#14 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-16 06:52 PM | Reply

That ---------ers and drug cartel members are "refugees".

Reading is FUNDAMENTAL Sherp!

"MS-13 was formed in Los Angeles in the 1980s by refugees who fled civil conflict in El Salvador"

See if you can figure out with the difference between the information the sentence is providing and your knee jerk reaction to it.

#15 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-16 06:54 PM | Reply

#10

Sure, then tackle the later question, "what if it isn't their child."

#16 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-16 06:56 PM | Reply

How about you Clown, should we let in known MS-13 members?

#17 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-16 06:56 PM | Reply

#15 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

Stop being evasive. Are MS-13 gang members refugees?

Should gang members be given sanctuary, Clownshack?

#18 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-16 06:58 PM | Reply

should we let in known MS-13 members?

Are we letting in known MS-13 members?

Are they showing up to customs with their suitcases and declaring all fruits and vegetables they are bringing in with them?

Would a wall prevent MS-13 members from entering America?

The answer to all these questions is the same.

#19 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-16 07:02 PM | Reply

- The answer to all these questions is the same.

Yes, they are. Evasive.

#20 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-16 07:04 PM | Reply

Stop being evasive.

What am I being evasive about? I was teaching you to comprehend what you were reading.

Are MS-13 gang members refugees?

Looks like you failed your reading comprehension lesson, once again.

#21 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-16 07:04 PM | Reply

Yes, they are. Evasive.

Evasive? Nah.

You're dumber than most.

#22 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-16 07:05 PM | Reply

The answer to all these questions is the same.

Yes?

That's funny, I never realized that the MS-13 members were declaring all their fruits and vegetables.

#23 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-16 07:10 PM | Reply

Let's try this:

RightOCenter, if MS-13 is so awful, why shouldn't people fleeing MS-13 qualify for asylum?

#24 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-16 07:11 PM | Reply

Answer my questions first, Snoofy.

#25 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-16 07:12 PM | Reply

#24 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Because Obama said so.

#26 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-16 07:13 PM | Reply

The answer to all these questions is the same.
Yes?
That's funny, I never realized that the MS-13 members were declaring all their fruits and vegetables.
#23 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

What's even more funny is how dense you want to pretend you are.

But, I guess it's either play dumb, or admit you asked a really stupid question.

#27 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-16 07:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#27 Clown, tripling down on evasiveness.

I'll assume you want to protect Illegals who are members of MS-13 until you state clearly otherwise.

#28 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-16 07:15 PM | Reply

Let me remind you of the question and my response:

"What is your feeling if a MS-13 member illegally crosses the border with a child?"
Their child?

#10 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2019-07-16 06:45 PM

...

#10
Sure, then tackle the later question, "what if it isn't their child."

#16 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER AT 2019-07-16 06:56 PM

I'll wait.

#29 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-16 07:15 PM | Reply

#27

The only person being dumb is you, Clown.

Let me repeat the question, see if can't answer it Yes or No:

How about you Clown, should we let in known MS-13 members?

#17 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER AT 2019-07-16 06:56 PM

#30 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-16 07:17 PM | Reply

FTA: the gang is "believed to have killed 24 people over the past two years"

They're believed to have killed 24 people in 2 years, approximately 1 person a month.

Clearly a crisis!

#31 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-16 07:19 PM | Reply

Who knew that simple Yes or No questions were so difficult for Snoofy and Clown...

#32 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-16 07:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#31

That is just in LA, by one clique in San Fernando Valley.

If Neo-Nazi's nationwide killed that many people over a two year period, you would be losing your shht.

But it's just Brown people killing each other, so I guess you think that is okay.

#33 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-16 07:23 PM | Reply

"Answer my questions first, Snoofy."

Well I wouldn't want your snowflake to melt, so here you go:

Children should not be taken from their parents.
Children who are being trafficked should be removed from the people trafficking them.

Your turn:

Barring imminent harm, like if the parents are trafficking their own children, why should all refugee and asylum seeking children be separated from their parents?

#34 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-16 07:23 PM | Reply

It's a stupid question, way to double down on it.

"should we let in known MS-13 members?"

We don't let in known MS-13 members.

Most MS 13 gang members here in America, were born in America.

#35 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-16 07:24 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

That is just in LA, by one clique in San Fernando Valley.

Find more stats, I'll be happy to read them.

#36 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-16 07:25 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#34

They shouldn't be, I have never said otherwise.

If the child is being trafficked by the MS-13 member, what should they do with them in both the immediate and long term?

#37 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-16 07:25 PM | Reply

it's just Brown people killing each other, so I guess you think that is okay.

You couldn't care either way.

You just know you can make this political.

#38 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-16 07:26 PM | Reply

"FTA: the gang is "believed to have killed 24 people over the past two years"

^
Our police kill that many unarmed black males in one year.
MS-13 is slacking!

#39 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-16 07:26 PM | Reply

--Who knew that simple Yes or No questions were so difficult for Snoofy and Clown...

Kinda like antifa-supporter Bruce Banner.

Kinda like Ilham Omar on Al-Qaeda.

#40 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-07-16 07:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If the child is being trafficked by the MS-13 member, what should they do with them in both the immediate and long term?

Sell them to Trump.

#41 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-16 07:28 PM | Reply

"#34
They shouldn't be, I have never said otherwise."

^
Your support for Trump's border policies says otherwise, RightOCenter.

#42 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-16 07:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Snoofy and Clown flailing, grasping at straw people of color.

#43 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-16 07:35 PM | Reply

grasping at straw people of color.
#43 | POSTED BY SHERP

Uhhh... okay?

#44 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-16 07:37 PM | Reply

If Neo-Nazi's nationwide killed that many people over a two year period, you would be losing your shht.
#33 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

They'd have 10 articles on the front page.

#45 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-16 07:38 PM | Reply

Most MS 13 gang members here in America, were born in America.
#35 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

The linked article stated that 19 of the 22 were here illegally.

And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

#46 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-16 07:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Uhhh... okay?
#44 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

Do you have any problem with ICE rounding them up?

Snoofy? I don't want to leave you out of this one either.

#47 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-16 07:40 PM | Reply

If Neo-Nazi's nationwide killed that many people over a two year period, you would...

...be claiming they were unrelated, a series of isolated incidents. These people need to be judged based on who they were, what influenced them. We need a psychiatrist to determine whether they were mentally stable or not. These people are the victims, they were lashing out at a world they no longer feel a part of.

#48 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-16 07:42 PM | Reply

We don't let in known MS-13 members.

Yes we do (but not intentionally), according to the DOJ between 3,000 and 5,000 previously deported MS-13 members have re-entered the US in the last decade.

Most MS 13 gang members here in America, were born in America.

Key word being "most", we seem to be arresting and deporting a lot of the same guys and gals.

Find more stats, I'll be happy to read them.

MS-13 has been estimated to have committed, in the US, over 700 murders in the past 24 months. From 2001 to 2010, we deported over 129,000 convicted felons to Central America alone. The DOJ and ICE estimate that between 1-3% of those deportees have been arrested and deported again in the last 5 years.

MS13 in the Americas: How the World's Most Notorious Gang Defies Logic, Resists Destruction

#49 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-16 07:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The linked article stated that 19 of the 22 were here illegally.

No, it doesn't.

It says, "Nineteen of those indicted are considered illegal immigrants"

I'm not sure what "considered" illegal immigrants actually means.

Are they or aren't they. Considered by who? Why the vagueness?

#50 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-16 07:45 PM | Reply

--I'm not sure what "considered" illegal immigrants actually means.

Better ask Joe, the Saul Goodman of the retort.

#51 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-07-16 07:47 PM | Reply

#50

I'm not sure what "considered" illegal immigrants actually means.
Are they or aren't they. Considered by who? Why the vagueness?

Wow, that is as mealy mouthed as it gets.

Let's see, the US Government, who indicted them, "considers" them to be here illegally, I am sure if they produce their green cards that presumption can be cleared up pretty quickly.

#52 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-16 07:49 PM | Reply

We don't let in known MS-13 members.

Yes we do (but not intentionally)

Then we don't.

If a known MS 13 gang member tries to enter the United States, they are denied entry, arrested, etc.

I doubt known, wanted members of MS 13 are trying to get back into America legally.

Which is why your question, "should we let in known MS-13 members?" Is dumb.

We already don't allow known MS-13 members in.

We have come full circle.

#53 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-16 07:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Wow, that is as mealy mouthed as it gets.

Says the guy who asked: "should we let in known MS-13 members?"

Hilarious.

#54 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-16 07:50 PM | Reply

Your support for Trump's border policies says otherwise, RightOCenter.

Go ahead and provide examples of that, I eagerly await your proof.

#55 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-16 07:50 PM | Reply

We have come full circle.
#53 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

...to your evasiveness.

#56 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-16 07:52 PM | Reply

Your support for Trump's border policies says otherwise, RightOCenter.

Go ahead and provide examples of that,

You don't support Trump's border policies?

What? Are you for open borders?

#57 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-16 07:53 PM | Reply

Suddenly Clown wants to define terms and debate meanings of words.

He still wants to scream, "brown!", but can't find the right spot.

#58 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-16 07:54 PM | Reply

How do my ankles taste, Sherp?

#59 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-16 07:55 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

#53

If a known MS 13 gang member tries to enter the United States, they are denied entry, arrested, etc.

Okay, close to a real answer, so that is what you believe happens at legal points of entry.

I doubt known, wanted members of MS 13 are trying to get back into America legally.

The DOJ has statistics that show that previously deported, known members of MS 13 are re-entering the country at other, illegal points of entry, so we are letting them in, but without knowing when or the location that they entered.

How do we stop that? Or should we just keep letting them in and deporting them when we find them?

#60 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-16 07:55 PM | Reply

Hey shack, did you that clip of Obama saying that being a gangbanger doesn't justify an asylum claim?

twitter.com

#61 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-07-16 07:58 PM | Reply

#57

I support legal immigration according to the laws of the US. Some of Trump's policies conflict with that, as did Obama's, Bush's and Clinton's, and I don't support any of those.

You have admitted you are for Open Borders, how do we keep deported convicts from returning?

#62 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-16 07:58 PM | Reply

Militarize the border. It's a complete mess. $775 a day to take care of them? It'd be cheaper to mine the border.

#63 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-07-16 07:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

we are letting them in,

Again, you post that we aren't letting them in, then concluding we are letting them in.

I guess whatever you need to do to try to keep that question of yours from looking absolutely trollish.

should we just keep letting them in and deporting them when we find them?

We aren't letting them in, and deporting them isn't helping. Best policy? Don't deport them. Instead, send them to Guantanamo.

#64 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-16 07:59 PM | Reply

As for the MS-13 that's here, declare them enemy combatants.

#65 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-07-16 08:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Clown doesn't want to stop them at all.

#66 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-16 08:01 PM | Reply

did you that clip of Obama saying that being a gangbanger doesn't justify an asylum claim?
#61 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

Obama? That secret Muslim Kenyan Communist closeted homosexual who wears tan suits and reads off teleprompters?

Why would I care what that loser has to say? I mean, he didn't even visit Epstein's island.

#67 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-16 08:03 PM | Reply

Again, you post that we aren't letting them in, then concluding we are letting them in.

No, you said that "If a known MS 13 gang member tries to enter the United States, they are denied entry, arrested, etc." and "I doubt known, wanted members of MS 13 are trying to get back into America legally."

I provided you with statistics from the Department of Justice that showed that we deported over 129K convicts to Central America from 2001-2010 and that more than "3,000 and 5,000 previously deported MS-13 members have re-entered the US in the last decade."

That being the case, and you say they didn't enter legally, then they must have entered illegally.

How do you propose to stop that?

#68 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-16 08:03 PM | Reply

#67 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

Deflection. you're losing, Clown.

#69 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-16 08:06 PM | Reply

We aren't letting them in, and deporting them isn't helping. Best policy? Don't deport them. Instead, send them to Guantanamo.

Isn't that the place that Obama promised during his first campaign to close but when he found out how bad the people there were changed his mind? That place?

#70 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-16 08:07 PM | Reply

No, you said that...

Jesus Christ, you're a child.

Who cares, your original question was trolling. You won't/can't admit it, that's fine.

Regardless of how they are getting in, they will continue to do so.

The problem is, deporting them isn't a punishment. Like I said in #64, send them to Guantanamo.

Let them actually be punished.

#71 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-16 08:08 PM | Reply

Isn't that the place that Obama promised during his first campaign to close

Yep. That place.

#72 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-16 08:09 PM | Reply

Who cares, your original question was trolling. You won't/can't admit it, that's fine.

My original question was totally legit, you just didn't want to answer it, but thanks for finally doing so.

Regardless of how they are getting in, they will continue to do so.

Agreed, but shouldn't we do something to try to keep that from happening?

The problem is, deporting them isn't a punishment. Like I said in #64, send them to Guantanamo.

Agreed, and I withdraw my snark in #70, I think that something should be done but Gitmo is a political non-starter for too many reasons to count.

Maybe we build a new FloMax for them? I really don't know but whatever we are doing isn't working.

#73 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-16 08:13 PM | Reply

whatever we are doing isn't working.

According to the statistics you provided. Only 1-3% of deported are actually returning. I'd say what we're doing is working.

Perhaps we continue deporting all the first time, and if they're caught a second time then some kind of heavy duty incarceration, such as Guantanamo.

Or s/ gut them and stake them along the border as a reminder to all who dare try to enter illegally. /s

#74 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-16 08:19 PM | Reply

#74

Those are the ones we know about but given the sheer numbers of deportations that still equates to thousands of really bad people re-entering the US on a fairly regular basis.

Maybe putting them in a FloMax type prison on their second go around would be a solution, but the ACLU would never stand for that or your other "solution."

#75 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-16 08:27 PM | Reply

equates to thousands of really bad people re-entering the US

I'm sure some of them are very fine people.

#76 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-16 08:31 PM | Reply

"Your support for Trump's border policies says otherwise, RightOCenter.
Go ahead and provide examples of that, I eagerly await your proof.
#55 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER"

This thread will do:
www.drudge.com

- So two thirds had their actual children taken away
Their children? How was that determined?
#5 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM

#5
Exactly. The main reason for this pilot program is to ensure that children stay with their families. As the article says, "migrants with children can avoid detention" but the problem is that over 30% of the children tested were not genetically related to the so called "parent."
#6 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

^
And the solution is to separate 100% of children.
And It's still happening.
And when anyone speaks out about it, you say it's faux outrage and then you deflect to Obama.
Both of which are supportive of Trump's policies.

#77 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-16 08:32 PM | Reply

-Don't deport them. Instead, send them to Guantanamo.

on who's nickel? we should pay to incarcerate criminals from another country?

for how long? if they are arrested here, aren't they entitled to our homegrown criminal rights?

#78 | Posted by eberly at 2019-07-16 09:14 PM | Reply

on who's nickel?

Same nickel that would be used to incarcerate migrants in concentration camps. To build walls. To pay border patrol. To pay ICE.

No matter what we do, it's gonna cost tax payers something.

Well. Unless you have open immigration and allow legal statues to anyone who wants to be here. Then you can collect taxes on them all.

#79 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-16 09:17 PM | Reply

And the solution is to separate 100% of children.
And It's still happening.
And when anyone speaks out about it, you say it's faux outrage and then you deflect to Obama.
Both of which are supportive of Trump's policies.

#77 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

You need to separate them at some point. Or would you like the child molesters to sit with the kiddies while waiting for the test results?

And when anyone speaks out about it, you say it's faux outrage and then you deflect to Obama.

It is faux outrage, if you cared about children you wouldn't want them to make the journey since 30% are kidnapped, and if they aren't and are with their mothers, there is a 30% chance their mother will be raped along the way.

You don't really care, you offer no solutions, that is known as faux outrage.

Its not deflection but a policy that was created, and maintained by Obama.

#80 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-07-16 09:27 PM | Reply

I get what you're saying, clown.

We're on the hook regardless but aren't prisons, especially a place like Gitmo extremely expensive?

#81 | Posted by eberly at 2019-07-16 09:28 PM | Reply

aren't prisons, especially a place like Gitmo extremely expensive?

Probably. But aren't we currently detaining people simply for wanting to come to America? Seems like those costs could be redirected at actually dealing with problematic people, rather than detaining everyone.

#82 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-16 09:37 PM | Reply

Shame on the Donald for leaving the borders open and Hillary not in prison..

#83 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2019-07-16 09:37 PM | Reply

Shame on the Donald for leaving the borders open and Hillary not in prison

It's not his fault.

He's just following Obama.

It's all Obama's fault. Always and forever.

#84 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-16 09:52 PM | Reply

This thread will do:
www.drudge.com

You mean the thread where I called YOU out for YOUR fauxrage? That is your proof that I support Trump's policies?

Pro Tip: Never enter a courtroom defending yourself.

#85 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-16 09:57 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

It's all Obama's fault. Always and forever.

Well when there are videos, and images .. your rhetoric is worthless, calling people "racist" is even more worthless....

#86 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-07-16 09:58 PM | Reply

"Pro Tip: Never enter a courtroom defending yourself."

That's the first sensible thing you've said in this thread!

#87 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-16 10:00 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

But aren't we currently detaining people simply for wanting to come to America?

Lie ... they entered the US. .....

#88 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-07-16 10:00 PM | Reply

That's the first sensible thing you've said in this thread!
#87 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

but you still won't do it.

#89 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-07-16 10:01 PM | Reply

--Pro Tip: Never enter a courtroom defending yourself.

The only thing worse than that would be Angry Joe as his brief.

#90 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-07-16 10:03 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"You need to separate them at some point. Or would you like the child molesters to sit with the kiddies while waiting for the test results?"

And provided there are no child molesters, those working for Border Patrol notwithstanding, we also need to reunite them with their parents at somne point.

You want that point to be after both parent and child are deported.

I want that point to be, at worst, while in detention awaiting a hearing, and preferably, while in the community awaiting a hearing, if deemed safe.

And that's the difference between us.

Need I say more, RightOCenter?

#91 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-16 10:04 PM | Reply

And provided there are no child molesters,

How would you know? You don't .... Which is why Obama separated them .....

You want that point to be after both parent and child are deported.

If they are a match deport them if warranted, if they are not, prosecute the kidnapper to the fullest extent of the law, and try to find the kids parents.

Its noted that you skipped the other questions ... too tough for you... I get it.

#92 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-07-16 10:10 PM | Reply

I want that point to be, at worst, while in detention awaiting a hearing, and preferably, while in the community awaiting a hearing, if deemed safe.

May take 5 days to process the DNA. Where are you? it was your idea.

#93 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-07-16 10:11 PM | Reply

"How would you know? You don't .... Which is why Obama separated them ....."

I'm surprised this hasn't gotten old for you.
Obama detained entire families as a unit.
There's pictures.

#94 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-16 10:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

You want that point to be after both parent and child are deported.

Wow your Assigning Positions to Others they Never Took game is slipping.

I want that point to be, at worst, while in detention awaiting a hearing, and preferably, while in the community awaiting a hearing, if deemed safe.

Wow, another position that you never previously took that I have always agreed with and stated several times.

#95 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-16 10:12 PM | Reply

while in the community awaiting a hearing, if deemed safe.

What community? ... its a proven fact they don't return ... Holy carp ... you have completely no idea how this process is dsyfunctional ....

#96 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-07-16 10:13 PM | Reply

"May take 5 days to process the DNA"

Or slightly longer, especially if the DNA is from a rape kit!

#97 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-16 10:14 PM | Reply

Obama detained entire families as a unit.
There's pictures.

Theres also pictures of the kids alone in cages .... I am surprised you resist, but then again you tried to pawn them off as under Trump.

#98 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-07-16 10:14 PM | Reply

#97 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Deflect much.

#99 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-07-16 10:15 PM | Reply

especially if the DNA is from a rape kit!
#97 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

I am surprised you "Care" about rape now ... its fascinating .. to see you care and not care in the same thread.

#100 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-07-16 10:16 PM | Reply

"I want that point to be, at worst, while in detention awaiting a hearing, and preferably, while in the community awaiting a hearing, if deemed safe.
Wow, another position that you never previously took that I have always agreed with and stated several times."

Really.
You want illegals released into the community, RightOCenter?
But... what if they're MS-13?
???

#101 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-16 10:16 PM | Reply

I have no problems with a real family being released into the community to wait for a hearing. I would much prefer that community be in Mexico, which is now more likely with the latest EO.

#102 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-16 10:20 PM | Reply

Let me just throw this out there:

Wondering what to do if an illegal immigrant is actually trafficking the child they're with is not how you should start formulating a policy of how to treat families who arrive at the border.

I've never once heard you guys ask what should be done if the illegal immigrant with kids is a refugee, asylum seeker, or just coming here for work.

Why is that?

#103 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-16 10:20 PM | Reply

"I have no problems with a real family being released into the community to wait for a hearing."

Have you ever said that before, to the best of your recollection?

#104 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-16 10:20 PM | Reply

"I am surprised you "Care" about rape now ... its fascinating .. to see you care and not care in the same thread."

Let's see me not caring about rape in this thread, since it's so captivating!

#105 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-16 10:23 PM | Reply

Snoofy.

You're talking to the same group of people who hear "transgender women are using public restrooms", and automatically think of rape.

These people aren't logical human beings.

It's always about projecting their own desires into everyone else.

Which is why sex trafficking children is the first thing that comes to mind when they think of children and adults coming to America.

#106 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-16 10:27 PM | Reply

"Snoofy.
You're talking to the same group of people who hear "transgender women are using public restrooms", and automatically think of rape."

Is RightOCenter one of them, or does he just prefer their company?
Is he like a BillJohnson that went to law school?

#107 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-16 10:28 PM | Reply

Which is why sex trafficking children is the first thing that comes to mind
#106 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

Would you like for me to post lots of links you'll refuse to read?
Because I already have and you didn't read them. We could do THAT again.

#107 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Snoofy's boldest projection yet. TMI about yourself. It's awkward for you, I'm sure.

#108 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-16 10:54 PM | Reply

Just waiting for the Usual Idiots of the DR Left to remind us how the couple thousand neo-nazis are a bigger existential threat than the 10,000+ members of MS-13

Still clinging to this inane "point"...

One targets fellow migrants in turf wars.

The other aggregate for armed standoffs with federal officers and takeovers of federal parks.

Gosh, I'd be proud to have those talibaptist morons on my side too!

#109 | Posted by jpw at 2019-07-16 11:10 PM | Reply

--Pro Tip: Never enter a courtroom defending yourself.
----
The only thing worse than that would be Angry Joe as his brief.

#90 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

Ouch! That's scary. How would you feel having Angry Joe as your defense when he gets hit with contempt for snapping at the bailiff when told to stand up and honor the judge entering the room.

It would be like a

#110 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-16 11:21 PM | Reply

It would be like a ...My Cousin Vinny nightmare.

I don't know why that didn't make the first cut.

#111 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-16 11:22 PM | Reply

"What is a 'yute'?"

#112 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-16 11:25 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#111 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Like going hunting for bambi?
www.youtube.com

Love Marisa Tomei....

#113 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-07-16 11:44 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

The other aggregate for armed standoffs with federal officers and takeovers of federal parks.

Gotta see a link for that.

#114 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-07-16 11:46 PM | Reply

.....I've got slaughtered pigs; giant, loud whistles!

#115 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-17 12:03 AM | Reply

-Don't deport them. Instead, send them to Guantanamo.
on who's nickel? we should pay to incarcerate criminals from another country?
for how long? if they are arrested here, aren't they entitled to our homegrown criminal rights?
#78 | POSTED BY EBERLY

You're asking all the right questions, and I love the one about regrettably giving them entitlement to "our" rights.
The fact that none of the "send them to the camps!" crowd has answers is because they don't have answers they like. Yet.
Let Trump suspend Habeas Corpus, which is legal in times of emrgy, for illegal immigrants facing deportation, and then they'll have better answers!
Especially the lawyer.

#116 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-17 12:08 AM | Reply

Gotta see a link for that.

#114 | Posted by AndreaMackris

LOL really?

en.wikipedia.org

en.wikipedia.org

Are you being intentionally obtuse?

#117 | Posted by jpw at 2019-07-17 12:15 AM | Reply

One targets fellow migrants in turf wars.
The other aggregate for armed standoffs with federal officers and takeovers of federal parks.

So what you are saying is that the brown guys targeting each other don't count?

Got it.

#118 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-17 01:14 AM | Reply

So what you are saying is that the brown guys targeting each other don't count?

Got it.

#118 | Posted by Rightocenter

Yeah, clearly.

Like I said, you need some new material.

#119 | Posted by jpw at 2019-07-17 08:36 AM | Reply

Only 1-3% of deported are actually returning. - #74 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-16 08:19 PM |
Your logic is faulty.
There is no information given as to how many of the 129K convicts deported have returned, only that 3,000 and 5,000 previously deported MS-13 members have re-entered.
You seem to be of the thinking that all 129k convicts were MS-13 members, even though there is no evidence of that being true.

#120 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-07-17 09:42 AM | Reply

Maybe women who get raped should tell police that they thing the rapist was a M-13 gang member. That might expedite the processing of their DNA rape kits.

#121 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-07-17 10:06 AM | Reply

Trump's policies help ms13. He is to blame.

#122 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-07-17 05:03 PM | Reply

#122 Trump's policies are targeting MS-13, and that just burns you up.

#123 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-17 05:41 PM | Reply

It figures that the bloated------------ would let MS-13 members into the country while snuffing out 2 year olds.

#124 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2019-07-17 05:45 PM | Reply

#122

You have posted a lot of dumb stuff, but this has to be in the top 5.

#125 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-17 06:02 PM | Reply

Trump's policies help ms13
Trump's policies are targeting MS-13

^
Not mutually exclusive.

A perceived-as-unjust government attack on your people has in the past given rise to some deplorables taking over a wildlife refuge, or joining a gang, or other aberrant behavior.

#126 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-17 06:14 PM | Reply

- Not mutually exclusive.

Yes they are. Go ahead and explain in detail how Trump's policy to target MS-13 helps MS-13.

#127 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-17 06:48 PM | Reply

#127

It's kind of like how lions help thin the antelope herd.

-Snoofy

#128 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-17 06:54 PM | Reply

"Go ahead and explain in detail how Trump's policy to target MS-13 helps MS-13."

That's not what I said.
Here's what might be throwing you off:
The Trump policies that help MS-13 are not the same Trump policies as the Trump policies that target MS-13.
Trump has many, many policies.

To the point, ICE raids are not going to make vulnerable young men less susceptible to joining gangs like MS-13.

#129 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-17 08:14 PM | Reply

To the point, ICE raids are not going to make vulnerable young men less susceptible to joining gangs like MS-13.
#129 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Neither has arresting murderers eradicated crimes of murder.

But we should still arrest them, right?

#130 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-17 08:44 PM | Reply

Yes they are. Go ahead and explain in detail how Trump's policy to target MS-13 helps MS-13.

#127 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM AT 2019-07-17 06:48 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

1. He provides the best gang members for ms13. The strongest, smartest, most ambitious, and most conscientious, are recruited by Trump.

2. He provides legal protection for ms13. He creates the code of silence that protects the gang.

3. These actions are proof that 1 and 2 are working.

#131 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-07-17 08:59 PM | Reply

But we should still arrest them, right?

#130 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM AT 2019-07-17 08:44 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Trump isn't arresting them. He's spending time and money attacking children and women. People with no criminal intent.

Ms13 walks strong because of Trump.

#132 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-07-17 09:00 PM | Reply

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