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Sunday, July 14, 2019

The Fairness for High-Skilled Immigrants Act, introduced by Representative Zoe Lofgren, a Democrat from California, passed the House Wednesday by a 365 -- 65 vote.

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"The bill passed by the House and supported by the tech industry is expected to benefit Indian and Chinese citizens, many of whom apply for green cards through the H-1B visa program for highly skilled workers. The law currently limits U.S. employers to hiring only 65,000 foreign employees under the H-1B program, plus another 20,000 with advanced degrees. "

The '(R)tard bigotry' meme had a good run.

The ' Repug's hate brown town' had a good run.

Schism supports legal immigration, the Sheeple don't.

#1 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-14 01:07 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

The H1-B program was designed expressly to lower high skilled wages. It is used routinely for jobs that Americans are not only willing to do but seeking positions. The corporations that rely heavily on H1-Bs game the system to get around hiring Americans. India uses the H1-B program as a training program. They send people here on H1-Bs who get a few years of experience then go back to India and work for Indian based Global companies that undercut American tech companies by paying lower wages. Once upon a time help desk centers were almost universally American based. Now only a handful remain while India and China have many staffed with workers who were trained in America.

#2 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-07-14 12:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

The H1-B program was designed expressly to lower high skilled wages. It is used routinely for jobs that Americans are not only willing to do but seeking positions. The corporations that rely heavily on H1-Bs game the system to get around hiring Americans. India uses the H1-B program as a training program. They send people here on H1-Bs who get a few years of experience then go back to India and work for Indian based Global companies that undercut American tech companies by paying lower wages. Once upon a time help desk centers were almost universally American based. Now only a handful remain while India and China have many staffed with workers who were trained in America.
#2 | POSTED BY HATTER5183 AT 2019-07-14 12:08 PM

I have trained my offshore replacements every single job I have worked in the tech industry. From help desk to network administration, I was shadowed and our entire teams were replaced. We had mortgages, investments in our community unlike the corporate warehouses on the outskirts receiving massive tax breaks.

Now I'm old. My skillset is too. I have no assets or income to maintain myself. I wish I were born in a different s#ithole nation.

It has been too tough a road for too many people. I've met managers living on the streets because having lost their job, they lose their home, lives spiral downward rapidly.

#3 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2019-07-14 01:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

#3 Perhaps you'd like to explain why, despite all that, you don't hate immigrants?

I think that the part right-wingers can't comprehend. You're supposed to hate them because dey took yer jerbs!

#4 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-14 02:45 PM | Reply

#4 A Snoofy straw man. probably rides shotgun while Snoof cruises the HOV lane.

#5 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-14 02:50 PM | Reply

Hate has arrived, right on time!

#6 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-14 02:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You can't be for capitalism and free markets as well as much higher wages for Americans with the same skills as foreigners.

Average Americans that rarely travel out of the US would be better off if the US cost of living was similar to the rest of the world.
Property owners and the rich would hate that as their assets would be devalued.

The US would be much more competitive and have more US based jobs if the US dollar was devalued by giving money to Americans and paying for that with property taxes on the rich.

Instead the rich spread hate towards the other to distract people from the root cause of middle class stagnation.

#7 | Posted by bored at 2019-07-14 03:24 PM | Reply

The typical House member who cosponsored a measure removing per-country caps on green cards received three times more campaign contributions from the nation's 10 largest tech companies than lawmakers who declined to cosponsor the bill.

I am sure that surprises all of you.

#8 | Posted by Sniper at 2019-07-14 03:38 PM | Reply

Yep, this is where American workers are really getting screwed by companies who want to bring in foreigners at much lower wages.

And nope, there is no reason to blame the foreign workers for this. They're just trying to make a living like anyone else. There should be no doubt, some Dems are just as complicit in this as Repubs.

#9 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2019-07-14 05:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Wait a minute, I thought the Left's position was that immigrants were an awesome addition to our nation...

Oh, wait, these are smart, skilled immigrants who have followed the rules and are applying for permanent green citizenship, so are worthless to the Left.

Hypocrisy abounds.

BTW, over 97% of H1B workers who are granted a permanent green card (which none of you idiots realized that the law is about) and remain in the US.

#10 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-14 06:28 PM | Reply

#7

Cool story bro...

Now do Canada!

#11 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-14 06:28 PM | Reply

Blame Canada!

#12 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-14 06:32 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

-- these are smart, skilled immigrants

All the ones I worked with in silicon valley were. And the Indians had better english skills than a lot of Americans, and retorters.

#13 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-07-14 06:54 PM | Reply

"The typical House member who cosponsored a measure removing per-country caps on green cards received three times more campaign contributions from the nation's 10 largest tech companies than lawmakers who declined to cosponsor the bill."

Republicans call that Freedom of Speech, little Sniper.
According to Republicans, that's what the Founding Fathers intended when they wrote the First Amendment.

#14 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-14 07:45 PM | Reply

#14

It's called making the sausage.

Now do Union contributions to sponsors of pro labor bills!

#15 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-15 12:03 AM | Reply

The Fairness for High-Skilled Immigrants Act, introduced by Representative Zoe Lofgren, a Democrat from California, passed the House Wednesday by a 365–65 vote. The bill, which now must be approved by the Senate, seeks to eliminate a massive backlog of green-card applicants by scrapping the rule that allows no more than 7 percent of green cards to be given to citizens of one country.

Everyone has missed the important part.

Now, every country gets so many potential spots in the queue. If you come from a small country, then you will get a chance to apply. If you're from China or India, where there are billions, then you will have to wait and compete with your fellow countrymen for the limited number of spots.

This is why the folks you see here from those countries are very good.

This law really only favors China and India, at the expense of every other country in the world.

If the intent is to get the best people from the world to come work for America, then this is a big mistake.

#16 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-07-15 12:09 AM | Reply

"Now do Union contributions to sponsors of pro labor bills!"

Also a corrupting influence of money.
About ten times less corrupting than corporate contributions, by volume, but still corruption.

#17 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-15 12:15 AM | Reply

Now do Union contributions to sponsors of pro labor bills!

#15 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

Perhaps you could link to some of that "pro labor legislation" that got passed.

#18 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2019-07-15 08:55 AM | Reply

If you make this about anything more than money, it means you haven't done your research. This isn't partisan. This isn't hate. This is all about love...love of money. But this is where the masses go wrong. This is about the love of money regarding EVERYONE. You love your nice house? Then you love this legislation. You love your standard of living? Then you love this legislation. You love the American Dream? Then you love this legislation. You love your retirement funds? Then you love this legislation.

Americans are privileged because of legislation like this. It sucks and it causes Americans to lose jobs or compete for jobs they shouldn't have to compete for. Here's something many people don't factor in to their thought process...many people say this legislation is needed because Americans don't want to do these or jobs or that there aren't enough qualified Americans for the jobs. However, if the companies were to provide the mobile abilities they provide for the offshore workers, it would be a completely different story. It is STILL cheaper to pay for someone from India to come here (and pay for their visas), pay them much less than Americans to do a job, and fly them home (which isn't always provided but many of the rich tech companies do) than it is to do the same thing for an American. There are a huge amount of qualified people in the states who would love to work for these companies but can't afford to relocate, and the companies aren't offering the same deal they do the offshore workers because it adds on the cost of hiring and paying them.

So don't ever say these jobs are ones Americans won't do or that there aren't enough qualified. There are, they just need the same opportunity and assistance that offshore workers do. They just won't get it because of how much Americans cost to employ already, much less providing relocation assistance. And I'm not talking about relocation like buying a house or anything hugely expensive like that, I'm just talking about transportation and general assistance.

#19 | Posted by humtake at 2019-07-15 12:25 PM | Reply

#18

Here is the first one (not passed but introduced) that popped up on this little thingy called "Google", try it some time, you should be able to figure out how to use it:

H.R.2474 - Protecting the Right to Organize Act of 2019

There are bills introduced each year, and most of the co-sponsors get a lot of money from the Unions.

#20 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-15 12:52 PM | Reply

Wait a minute, I thought the Left's position was that immigrants were an awesome addition to our nation...
Oh, wait, these are smart, skilled immigrants who have followed the rules and are applying for permanent green citizenship, so are worthless to the Left.
Hypocrisy abounds.
BTW, over 97% of H1B workers who are granted a permanent green card (which none of you idiots realized that the law is about) and remain in the US.

#10 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER AT 2019-07-14 06:28 PM | REPLY |

The illegal immigrants are doing jobs no American will do for the low pay they receive.
H1-B workers are sponsored by the employer and are taking a job that Americans would love to do.
To hire an H1-B worker you are suppose to first attempt to hire Americans. H1-B visas are supposed to fill jobs that AMerican cpmanies are unable to find qualified applicants. Companies that use a lot of H1-Bs have found ways to get around the hire Americans first rule.

#21 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-07-15 03:52 PM | Reply

#21

Fujitsu Consulting is one of my larger clients, so I understand the H1-B visa better than most. It is true that there are companies that have sought to game the H1-B system, but for the most part, it works as intended. Most of the screaming about it, on both sides of the aisle, is just partisan BS.

#22 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-15 05:13 PM | Reply

www.epi.org

The data shows i am right.

#23 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-07-15 09:19 PM | Reply

#23

No agenda there...

LOL

#24 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-16 01:13 AM | Reply

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