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Rising home prices, falling savings rates, record debt levels and strict lending practices have contributed to pushing homeownership farther out of reach for aspiring young buyers.

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Would anyone expect otherwise, knowing that "Since 1975, practically all the gains in household income have gone to the top 20% of households?"

I guess some people must think housing prices for the bottom 80% have kept pace with income for the bottom 80%.

#1 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-13 12:26 PM | Reply

Would anyone expect otherwise, when we don't build housing, and allow massive amounts of uncontrolled immigration?

We have a housing shortage due to government zoning laws, and lack of development of mixed housing.

Go anywhere in the world you will see houses on hills.

In San Jose, NONE, unless you were fortunate enough to buy in the late 70's in Saratoga or Fremont, where RoC and I used to kick the can. Why? Environmental policies.

96% of San Jose's residential zoning is detached single family. Try adding a granny pod, and end up spending $250-$300, mostly to pull a permit.

#2 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-07-13 05:27 PM | Reply

They don't care where the immigrants live. They don't even care about the drug addicts and mental health sufferers living in squalor on the sidewalks.

Snoofy just wants them to have clean needles. Clownshack just wants millions more to be "left alone", since "they ain't hurting' nobody".

#3 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-13 05:39 PM | Reply

They don't care where the immigrants live.

They say they don't, but then when single mom can't make end meet because they compete for jobs, wages, and housing they get all pushed out of shape.

I imagine the world is just one big Whack-A-Mole.

Snoofy just wants them to have clean needles.

Snoofy care, Snoofy no answer questions, Snoofy make them.

Clownshack just wants millions more to be "left alone", since "they ain't hurting' nobody".

Well CrackShack got his ...

#4 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-07-13 05:46 PM | Reply

"Snoofy just wants them to have clean needles."

Not at all.

Among the things I do want them to have is clean needles.
I also want them to have heroin that isn't cut with fentanyl, so they don't accidentally OD.

I want heroin addicts to recover.
While they're not recovering, I want them to remain alive and avoid the disease associated with addiction.

Part of the reason I want that has nothing to do with them. It has to do with treating diseases, like those transmitted by dirty needles, is very costly.

Stay in school, kids!

#5 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-13 06:07 PM | Reply

"We have a housing shortage due to government zoning laws, and lack of development of mixed housing."

We don't have a housing shortage.
We have an affordable housing shortage in places, but we certainly don't have a housing shortage.

#6 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-13 06:08 PM | Reply

"California had the 49th lowest ratio of housing units per resident."

It's a housing shortage.

#7 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-07-13 06:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#7. Those are available housing units.

There are more unavailable housing units than homeless people in California, by about 10:1.

For example, the Admiral Hartman community here in San Diego, which is family housing for the Navy, is about 35% vacant at any given time. But it's not like the Navy is going to just rent them out on Craig's List.

"The imbalance is such that in last half-decade, in the Bay Area, seven times as many jobs were created as housing units"

^
There are absolutely areas with housing shortages.

"The shortage is taking its toll on Californians in multiple ways: less than a third can afford a median priced home."

^
Or rather, there are absolutely areas with AVAILABLE and AFFORDABLE housing shortages.

One of the reasons "less than a third can afford a median priced home" is "Since 1975, practically all the gains in household income have gone to the top 20% of households."

#8 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-13 06:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Among the things I do want them to have is clean needles.
I also want them to have heroin that isn't cut with fentanyl, so they don't accidentally OD.

I want heroin addicts to recover.
While they're not recovering, I want them to remain alive and avoid the disease associated with addiction.
#5 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

"associated with"? Addiction is the disease.
Clean needles and pure heroin sounds more like enabling addiction than wanting "heroin addicts to recover".

Addicts are searching for a connection just like you. You're their dream dealer.

#9 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-13 06:32 PM | Reply

"Addiction is the disease."

So are HIV and hepatitis.

"Addicts are searching for a connection just like you."

Aren't we all? Addicts are people too. Just like corporations. You wouldn't want corporations to operate without clean needles.

#10 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-13 06:34 PM | Reply

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Notice how ALL trends work to the benefit of Bankers, because we live in the best democracy that money can buy.

#11 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-07-13 07:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

NIH:

Syringe-Exchange Programs Are Part of Effective HIV Prevention

In countries that have clean needle exchange, HIV and HCV rates have plummeted.

#12 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-07-13 07:12 PM | Reply

One of the reasons "less than a third can afford a median priced home" is "Since 1975, practically all the gains in household income have gone to the top 20% of households."

No its not, its that the country isn't building them because government controls the zoning .... I have shown you why this was the case.....

By nearly every measure, the American housing sector is broken. For decades, city, state and federal policies have contributed to rising rents, falling subsidies and the systematic shift of homeownership to older, richer and whiter Americans.
www.huffpost.com

#13 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-07-13 07:13 PM | Reply

One of the reasons "less than a third can afford a median priced home" is "Since 1975, practically all the gains in household income have gone to the top 20% of households."

No its not, its that the country isn't building them because government controls the zoning .... I have shown you why this was the case.....

By nearly every measure, the American housing sector is broken. For decades, city, state and federal policies have contributed to rising rents, falling subsidies and the systematic shift of homeownership to older, richer and whiter Americans.
www.huffpost.com

#14 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-07-13 07:13 PM | Reply

"In countries that have clean needle exchange, HIV and HCV rates have plummeted."

I like it when HIV and HCV rates plummet.
SheepleSchism does not, if it comes at the cost of clean needles.
This is one of the many ways you can tell he was never a Bernie supporter:

We need Needle Exchange and Harm Reduction programs feelthebern.org
Along with the overdoses and deaths, injection drug use increases the risk of contracting Hepatitis C as well as the spread of HIV and other diseases with the use of shared needles. Safe disposal of used syringes is essential to protect neighborhoods and sanitation workers. Some overdoses can be prevented by making naloxone more readily available.

Safe injection sites and needle exchange sites can be an important way to alleviate some of the suffering, reduce public health risks, and provide services to addicts who desperately need them.

#15 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-13 07:16 PM | Reply

#14 You're as full of ---- as you usually are.
You can buy a house for like $120,000 in Needles, CA.
Because nobody wants to live in Needles.

#16 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-13 07:18 PM | Reply

For whom does this economy serve? How can Trump and Republicans claim it's better than ever? Less than 20% Americans are investors, those cretins are to whom we all should point the pitchfork, imo.

#17 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2019-07-13 07:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

In Nashville, homes in neighborhoods within 5 miles of downtown sell like hotcakes. Many people simply don't want to fight traffic to get back and forth to the suburbs. Rents have been climbing steadily, so some renters are move further out, but by and large, because of the wealth of great paying jobs (also, we're the 3rd lowest unemployment of cities with a population of 1 million or more), new apartments and condos are springing up all over within that 5 mile radius of downtown.

#18 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-07-13 07:22 PM | Reply

I can see the dilemma some face, though. The house we live in has quadrupled in value in the last 15 years. It's pretty much that way everywhere in that 5 mile radius from our vibrant downtown.

We don't charge anywhere near market rate for tenants who've lived in our rental properties a long time.
But the problem so many renters face here is that during the economic crash in 2009, investors bought up thousands of houses and they've doubled rents over the last 10 years.

#19 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-07-13 07:33 PM | Reply

SNOOFY

Countries with needle exchange programs have also seen is a substantial increase in the number of addicts seeking treatment. They fill treatment centers there. We fill jails and private prisons here.

#20 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-07-13 07:38 PM | Reply

In Nashville, homes in neighborhoods within 5 miles of downtown sell like hotcakes.

Thats a pretty nice area IMO.

new apartments and condos are springing up all over within that 5 mile radius of downtown.

Market in action, mixed residential is the best people, apartment => Condo => single family home.

ities Start to Question an American Ideal: A House With a Yard on Every Lot
www.nytimes.com

On the income side, used to be .... Snoofy keeps kicking this around "Since 1975, practically all the gains in household income have gone to the top 20% of households."
Its not a coincidence ....
www.migrationpolicy.org

#16 | POSTED BY SNOOFY
Does the link bother you? Whats BS about a Harvard study ... you got nothing but sophistry.

#21 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-07-13 07:44 PM | Reply

You can buy a house for like $120,000 in Needles, CA.
Because nobody wants to live in Needles.
#16 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

You can't but a condo in San Jose because no one is building them ...

#22 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-07-13 07:47 PM | Reply

I read that builders don't like to build affordable housing since it doesn't get the return that they want. They would rather build for the rich. The only option I can think of is getting the govt involved somehow. My guess would be that we give incentives to make it appealing or the govt actually becomes the bank on these homes. Mexico has a program called infonavit. 70% of homes in Mexico are purchased this way. Govt builds the houses and the payments get deducted from your check.

#23 | Posted by byrdman at 2019-07-13 07:54 PM | Reply

"You can't but a condo in San Jose because no one is building them ... "

So then move to Needles.

#24 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-13 07:54 PM | Reply

"I read that builders don't like to build affordable housing since it doesn't get the return that they want. They would rather build for the rich."

^
See, the hard right conservative gets it.

#25 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-13 07:55 PM | Reply

"Its not a coincidence .... "

That's not saying much.
But then, you never say much.

#26 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-13 07:57 PM | Reply

Countries with needle exchange programs have also seen is a substantial increase in the number of addicts seeking treatment. They fill treatment centers there. We fill jails and private prisons here.

#20 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY

Tacoma Needle Exchange Celebrates 30th Anniversary! - www.thenewstribune.com

Have opioid addiction numbers and deaths increased or decreased in Tacoma? Washington state? Nationwide? - https://www.nih.gov/sites/default/files/about-nih/nih-director/statements/collins/20171026-opioid- statement.jpg
Doesn't look like it's helping much - https://www.tpchd.org/home/showdocument?id=2002

#27 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-13 09:01 PM | Reply

www.nih.gov

www.tpchd.org

#28 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-13 09:02 PM | Reply

"Have opioid addiction numbers and deaths increased or decreased in Tacoma?"

Pharmaceutical over-prescription of opioid medications absolutely drives opioid addiction and opioid overdose.
Conveniently, heroin is available on the street when your Oxycontin prescription expires, or you lose health insurance altogether.
Thanks, Capitalism!

You're doing what you usually do, which is refusing to see the forest for the trees.

#29 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-13 09:11 PM | Reply

"Countries with needle exchange programs have also seen is a substantial increase in the number of addicts seeking treatment."

No they don't. Prove it. - And to be clear "referrals" isn't treatment.

Every indicator shows addiction numbers and overdoses increasing.

#30 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-13 09:13 PM | Reply

#29 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

The source of the opioids is no excuse for the increase in numbers.

Harm reduction success would show a steady decrease in addiction and od's. it doesn't

30 years of needle exchange in Tacoma and the problem is bigger than ever. Fact.

#31 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-13 09:16 PM | Reply

"Harm reduction success would show a steady decrease in addiction and od's."

You haven't demonstrated that it doesn't show that, compared to control.

On Page 3 of your second link www.tpchd.org , the line for "heroin overdose" is pretty flat, and the lowest of any category, from 1999 -2015.

Stay in school, kids!

#32 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-13 09:54 PM | Reply

How does zoning prevent the construction of affordable homes? R1 allows single family homes but not mobile homes. How does that prevent a developer from building 1500 sq foot homes? A subdivision with 5000 sq ft homes on 1 acre lots is zoned the same in most areas as a subdivision with 1500 sq ft homes on the national median 1/5th acre lot. The developer could legally build either or a mix

#33 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-07-13 09:57 PM | Reply

- the line for "heroin overdose" is pretty flat

Addicts substituting one opioid for another. So, not decreasing. The source of narcotics is irrelevant to number of people in addiction. The line for "All Opioids" has increased, correct? You can't demonstrate that needle exchanges have lowered addiction rates or overdoses. The fact is they are bigger than ever. Hence, the "Opioid Crisis".

Now that the US is going after Pharma, I expect we'll see a flood of black tar hitting the streets. Again, the problem isn't getting any better.

It's getting worse.

#34 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-13 10:09 PM | Reply

US heroin use has increased almost fivefold in a decade, study shows - www.theguardian.com

#35 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-13 10:12 PM | Reply

Mirroring the rise in opioid prescriptions.

"Overdose deaths involving prescription opioids were five times higher in 2017 than in 1999." www.cdc.gov

Legal opioid prescriptions are the gateway drug to heroin use.

Needle exchange won't fix that, nor is it intended to.

#36 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-13 11:49 PM | Reply

Needle exchange won't fix that, nor is it intended to.
#36 | POSTED BY SNOOFERDOOPER

"And the kick is up, and it's GOOD! from the 2 yard line."

#37 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-13 11:54 PM | Reply

#2 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS AT 2019-07-13 05:27 PM | FLAG:

How about that? I actually kind of agree with you here. Strict separation of uses is part of the problem.

#38 | Posted by cbob at 2019-07-14 09:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#38 | POSTED BY CBOB

I have really enjoyed where they have done mixed use, retail below, apartments and condos up second floor and up.

Its ironic, its like the old days of community. Hopefully the days of Brutalism are over, Nulli and I used to disagree on this, but he's right as usual.

#39 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-07-14 09:11 PM | Reply

I am absolutely not a fan of Brutalist architecture.

#40 | Posted by cbob at 2019-07-14 09:18 PM | Reply

Legal opioid prescriptions are the gateway drug to heroin use.

#36 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2019-07-13 11:49 PM | REPLY |

People have pain that only opioids can touch. The main driver of heroin addiction is stupid laws lowering the availability of legal opioids which then forces the people who have pain but can't get legal prescriptions to resort to heroin. heroin deaths are the result of the lack of consistency in strength and the inability to know what is in a sample of heroin or how strong it is. People use their "normal" dose and by the time they find out it is laced with fentanyl they are in an ambulance. Then they get sent to rehab and when they are done the pain is still there so they go right back to what will relieve the pain. reducing availability of legal pain management pushes people to illegal pain management

#41 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-07-14 10:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Market in action, mixed residential is the best people, apartment => Condo => single family home.

ANDREAMACKRIS

New builds are just that mixture, with thousands of new condos and apts downtown and single family homes beginning to the East just over a walking/biking bridge that crosses the Cumberland River. Starting 1/2 mile from the heart of downtown, it's mixed residential; condos, apts, single family homes. And the city has had the foresight to ensure there is everything needed to support neighborhoods; drugstores, supermarkets, restaurants galore, etc. Nashville is a booming city with oodles of high paying jobs. Seems like everyone in America is moving here.

#42 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-07-15 04:56 AM | Reply

Let's start with just ONE number:
$1,200 per year

That is average amount spend per year per person in the US on fast food.

We can look up whether it's higher or lower for millennials, especially if we include all dining out, but without a doubt that is enough to enter the housing market. You can get a nice house, or at least a condo in most markets with that kind of money.

Beans and rice, ramen and other less expensive food options aren't appealing but MANY of us bought houses in similar ways. I know I did.
Did you?

#43 | Posted by drivelikejehu at 2019-07-15 08:41 AM | Reply

We can look up whether it's higher or lower for millennials, especially if we include all dining out, but without a doubt that is enough to enter the housing market. You can get a nice house, or at least a condo in most markets with that kind of money.

Where is this magical land where $1200 per year lets you afford a house or condo? $100/month wont get you a decent cardboard box

#44 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-07-15 10:49 PM | Reply

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