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Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin on Friday issued a warning Friday that the US government is at risk of running out of cash sooner than expected. In a letter to Democratic House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Mnuchin wrote that the US might default on its obligations as soon as early September, before Congress returns from its summer recess.

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Womp womp.

#1 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-12 07:25 PM | Reply

This is what happens when you do big tax cuts for the wealthy.
It's simple math. (R)tards are bad at math. Another reason not to homeschool.
Math, like facts, are the enemy to these fools.

#2 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-07-12 07:34 PM | Reply

Who cares?

Seriously, you didn't care before why do you care now? Cuz Trump?

I used to care, but we can't cut anything, except BorderPatrol, ICE and now they want DHS on the blocks ... other than that everything is off the table....

So .... I said it would happen, I just don't care anymore, it collapses when it collapse, soon is my guesstimate.

There is nothing we could do.

Thoughts and Prayers!

#3 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-07-12 07:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Who cares?
Seriously, you didn't care before why do you care now? Cuz Trump?"

Bull----.
I've always cared about government shutdowns.
Unlike you, and unlike Republicans, I understand that they end up costing more money than keeping the government up and running.

#4 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-12 07:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Quick! More tax cuts! It's gotta work this time.

#5 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-07-12 08:01 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

As long as the Pentagon sucks up 54% of our budget, we can't have nice things.

#6 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-07-12 08:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I've always cared about government shutdowns.

Why? Is there anything you would cut?

Its interesting you don't offer anything yo just proclaim "I cared" ... you don't care, like you don't care about children in cages ...

Here's your ZeroTolerance complaint getting the legal bashing it deserves ...
twitter.com

As long as the Pentagon sucks up 54% of our budget, we can't have nice things.
#6 | POSTED BY LEE_THE_AGENT

Lie .... its only 12%, and that is only Federal spending.
www.usgovernmentspending.com

#7 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-07-12 08:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Its interesting you don't offer anything yo just proclaim "I cared" "

You need me to tell you the story of the FDA researcher I know who lost a year's worth of experimental data because she couldn't go into work for 17 days?

There, I told you.

I'm not sure why, since I am sure you don't care that a researcher basically got paid by the taxpayers for a year, only to have all their work destroyed by the shutdown.

You're no different than Nullfidian, who didn't care, and even laughed about it, when yahoos drove 4x4s through Joshua Tree during the last shutdown.

#8 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-12 08:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#6
The law does not state
"If you want to seek asylum you go through the port of entry."

The law does state:
"To apply for Asylum, file a Form I-589, Application for Asylum and for Withholding of Removal, within one year of your arrival to the United States."
www.uscis.gov

#9 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-12 08:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

It almost destroyed Kansas.

#10 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-07-12 08:15 PM | Reply

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So what? No one wants to cut spending. We could freeze federal spending and hiring across the board

The usual suspects will just whine "b-b-b-but we need more spending for Department X to meet vital needs..bla bla bla.".

#11 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-07-12 08:34 PM | Reply

We could freeze federal spending and hiring across the board

Why not just abolish the federal government and split the 50 states into autonomous nations?

#12 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-12 08:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The law does not state ~ Snoofy ..

As Thomas Homan said ....

The Secretary of Homeland Security or the Attorney General may grant asylum to an alien who has applied for asylum in accordance with the requirements and procedures established by the Secretary of Homeland Security or the Attorney General under this section if the Secretary of Homeland Security or the Attorney General determines that such alien is a refugee within the meaning of section 1101(a)(42)(A) of this title.
uscode.house.gov

You are bad at this Snoofy ... you don't link anything, which tells me you don't research anything you state.

#13 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-07-12 08:43 PM | Reply

Why not just abolish the federal government and split the 50 states into autonomous nations?
#12 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

California would run out of energy.
ww2.energy.ca.gov

#14 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-07-12 08:45 PM | Reply

"you don't link anything"

Well, except for that one link to U.S. Citizen and Immigration Services www.uscis.gov , I didn't link to anything.

#15 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-12 08:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"California would run out of energy."

That's a shame.
Someone should figure out a way to transport energy across state lines, maybe by sending it in tanker trucks or down power lines.

#16 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-12 09:21 PM | Reply | Funny: 3 | Newsworthy 2

I'd suggest eliminating the tax cuts for the rich.

But. I've been told that's not gonna happen.

#17 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-12 09:48 PM | Reply

I'd suggest eliminating the tax cuts for the rich.

But. I've been told that's not gonna happen.

#17 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

When the Bush tax cuts sunsetted Boehner and Obama managed to allow the top bracket to increase.

It can happen.

#18 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-12 09:55 PM | Reply

Asif this isn't the plan Republicans have been striving for. They have done everything they could to bankrupt the federal government so that then they can destroy SS and Medicare. 70% maximum tax rates for the rich, capital gains taxed exactly as regular income, we fixed the results of their evil plans before and we'll have to fix these bastards mess again. Nothing new here, we been here, we've done that.

"Why not just abolish the federal government and split the 50 states into autonomous nations?"

Because we don't want Sudan to happen in the red states who would quickly starve to death.

Every member of the Federalist Society should be tarred and feathered and run out of Washington as the enemies of the people that they are.

#19 | Posted by danni at 2019-07-13 09:40 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Do we still have enough money left for some green eggs and ham?

I think it is time for green eggs and ham.

#20 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-07-13 10:07 AM | Reply

As long as the Pentagon sucks up 54% of our budget, we can't have nice things. - #6 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-07-12 08:02 PM

Wow, I get to quote myself:
Why try to mislead people about something so easy to debunk?
2018 budget to miliary was $574 billion.
Government spending was $4.094 trillion.
Math evidently isn't your strong point, but the 14% spent on the MIC is not the 54% you lied mislead about in your post.
Posted by Avigdore at 2019-07-12 12:58 PM

#21 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-07-13 10:20 AM | Reply

Debts are normally retired when the debtor dies. One reason the wealthy ruling class agreed to permit democracy is that, unlike Kings, debts of democratic governments never die. Any sovereign State, however, can inflate the debt away by printing money, provided they control their own money supply. Knowing this, the ruling class reinvented the Federal reserve System as a privately managed creator of money. Our Federal Reserve has two legal countervailing mandates, keeping inflation under 2% and unemployment under 3% for the general population and under 4% for youths. For the most part, the Fed only worries about inflation, which is routinely understated.

But having rigged the system so they can skim money from everybody by owning a piece of the Fed, rich old money still wasn't satisfied. They wanted to prevent working people from receiving any social benefits they alone are entitled to. So they created an imaginary debt ceiling by bribing Congress and since then every time any social program is brought up, the debt ceiling becomes an issue. However, the debt ceiling is a forbidden topic when our nation is pushed into going to war for the benefit of ruling class or the ruling class needs a bailout.

And that Virginia, is what passes for democracy in America. Its all one BIG ROYAL SCAM. A pack of lies inside a hypocritical enigmas which creates one set of rules for the rich and another for the poor, with respect to both nations and human beings.

#22 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-07-13 10:54 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

AVIGORE

Military spending is the majority of discretionary spending.

#23 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-07-13 11:04 AM | Reply

In fiscal year 2015, military spending is projected to account for 54 percent of all federal discretionary spending, a total of $598.5 billion. Military spending includes: all regular activities of the Department of Defense; war spending; nuclear weapons spending; international military assistance; and other Pentagon-related spending.

www.nationalpriorities.org

Discretionary spending.

#24 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-07-13 11:13 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I'd suggest eliminating the tax cuts for the rich.

But. I've been told that's not gonna happen.

#17 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

I'm sorry reality is so difficult for you to grasp.

How many election cycles do you think a rep or senator will last if they repeal the tax cuts? You think the wealthy will donate to their campaigns? Because if IIRC within the next two years only the corporate and cuts for the wealthy will remain from the recent "reform",

#25 | Posted by jpw at 2019-07-13 11:14 AM | Reply

If we weren't the world's policeman, we could have nice things.

#26 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-07-13 11:14 AM | Reply

avig is wrong as usual. The military budget is about $1.25 trillion a year when you include the separate budgets for atomic weapons; the CIA, NSA Homeland Security...etc

Things like the national debt, social security, medicare are contractual obligations which cannot be abrogated. They must be paid first by law. What remains is other discretionary spending which the House of Representatives can fund as they best see fit to do. The military Industrial Complex has conned our elected officials into wasting 50-60% of our discretionary budget on war mongering technologies. The results of our aggressive military posture speaks for itself, endless human misery, worldwide hatred of America, permanent contamination of the planet which until man came along had no garbage. Even more outrageous after wasting all that money not a single major outcome has achieved its alleged goals, though the vast majority of induced suffering was heaped on foreigners, only US veterans have carried any of the associated burdens from these immoral illegal invasions which attempted to destroy the sovereignty everyone who does not think like us. Anyone who isn't ashamed of this behavior lacks a moral compass.

#27 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-07-13 11:21 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

When we talk about Sweden, Finland and Canada's social safety nets, they don't have the Pentagon outlay that we have. We'll never reach their level while we pay so much for the bloated Pentagon budget that has so much redundancy that it would take 100 years to empty the warehouses.

Discretionary spending is the part of the U.S. federal budget that Congress appropriates each year. For Fiscal Year 2020, President Donald Trump requested $1.426 trillion.

The Constitution gave Congress the authority to raise and spend money for the federal government. The budget process traditionally begins with the president's budget. It describes his priorities and what the various agencies need for next year's operations. The discretionary budget and taxes are the two main tools of discretionary fiscal policy.

The discretionary budget does not include Social Security, Medicare, or Medicaid. These are part of the mandatory budget. These programs were authorized by previous Acts of Congress. The mandatory budget estimates how much it will cost to provide these benefits.

www.thebalance.com

#28 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-07-13 11:22 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

#27

Thank you, Bay. You put it much better than my ham fisted attempt.

#29 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-07-13 11:24 AM | Reply

"This is what happens when you do big tax cuts for the wealthy. It's simple math. (R)tards are bad at math. Another reason not to homeschool. Math, like facts, are the enemy to these fools."

Where did you get your MBA from?

#30 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-07-13 11:24 AM | Reply

Where did you get your MBA from?

#30 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Where did you get your home school degree? Why is it your mom never taught you that effective writers don't end sentences with prepositions?

#31 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2019-07-13 11:38 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

--Why is it your mom never taught you that effective writers don't end sentences with prepositions?

That's false.

"After an overzealous editor attempted to rearrange one of Winston Churchill's sentences to avoid ending it in a preposition, the Prime Minister scribbled a single sentence in reply: "This is the sort of bloody nonsense up with which I will not put."

#32 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-07-13 11:50 AM | Reply

Military spending is the majority of discretionary spending. - #23 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-07-13 11:04 AM
I am aware. Discretionary spending is also a minority of the budget. Which is why Lee and Clown's attempts to mislead about the military budget is being called out.
Had they been honest and said 54% of discretionary spending or said 14% of the budget, I've had nodded right along. When they chose to use false information to drive a narrative, I felt the need to remind other readers that they're full of ----.

Discretionary spending... - #24 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-07-13 11:13 AM
Is not the budget. The budget is all federal spending and totaled over $4trillion last year. You're welcome to correct your #6.

avig is wrong as usual. The military budget is about $1.25 trillion a year when you include the separate budgets for atomic weapons; the CIA, NSA Homeland Security...etc
Things like the national debt, social security, medicare are contractual obligations which cannot be abrogated. They must be paid first by law. What remains is other discretionary spending which the House of Representatives can fund as they best see fit to do.- #27 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-07-13 11:21 AM

And discretionary spending is a minority of the budget. There is no way any honest person can claim that (even using your wildly inflated numbers) $1.25 trillion is 54% of $4.094trillion. Look, you really seem to not care if someone makes up fake numbers as long as their driving the narrative that you want driven. Hell, you're defending it. Is there any reason for that?

Discretionary spending is the part of the U.S. federal budget that Congress appropriates each year. - #28 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-07-13 11:22 AM
Well, thanks for acknowledging your mistake.

#33 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-07-13 12:26 PM | Reply

their = they're
bah

#34 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-07-13 12:28 PM | Reply

#33

I don't pretend to be infallible like many on this site.

#35 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-07-13 12:30 PM | Reply

"Where did you get your MBA from?"

Hopefully it was Argument From Authority University.
Noone else is accredited.

#36 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-13 12:35 PM | Reply

What would an MBA know about tax cuts for the wealthy anyway?
That's got nothing to do with running a business.
It's got everything to do with running an economy.

#37 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-13 12:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I don't pretend to be infallible like many on this site. - #35 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-07-13 12:30 PM
I apologise if that I came off as an -----. As I stated, the original post was for Clownshack just yesterday trying to push the same narrative and I'm still annoyed by it.
In my defense, I am an -----, but should still behave better.

#38 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-07-13 12:49 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Had they been honest and said 54% of discretionary spending or said 14% of the budget, I've had nodded right along. ~ Avigdore"

Or if they said 100% of the military spending is military related.

#39 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-07-13 12:58 PM | Reply

As I stated, the original post was for Clownshack

Nope. The original post came from another poster whom I read and repeated the information from. I just get under your skin.

Either way. Discretionary Spending and budget are semantics games people with nothing better to do like to argue over.

I am an -----,
#38 | POSTED BY ABIGWHORE

Finally, something we agree on.

#40 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-13 01:29 PM | Reply

"Why not just abolish the federal government and split the 50 states into autonomous nations?"

Because we don't want Sudan to happen in the red states who would quickly starve to death.

We don't?

#41 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-13 01:34 PM | Reply

You posted it. You were the first to mention 54 in the thread.

Again. There's ways to do it. Namely, stop giving the MIC 54% of the budget. Eliminate tax cuts the rich have been giving themselves. Stop funding other nations. Eliminate corporate subsidies.
Which are you more upset about, the poor using our tax money, or reducing funding for the MIC and the rich?
#45 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-12 12:26 PM

www.drudge.com

You then doubled-down by citing proof that you were wrong and strutted around like you were right. (#57)

#42 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-07-13 01:50 PM | Reply

You posted it. You were the first to mention 54 in the thread.

Oh. I don't deny posting it. I deny being the origin of the information.

Like I said. I had previously read the statement and reposted it on the thread you read.

Either way. I'm not losing any sleep over it.

You then doubled-down by citing proof that you were wrong and strutted around like you were right.

Actually I provided citation that 54% of spending does go to the MIC. But as you pointed out, it was discretionary spending.

Either way. Cut spending and repurpose the funds.

You sure do like to bicker.

#43 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-13 02:37 PM | Reply

Fund the MIC with vouchers. The people should have a choice on how they spend their tax dollars. Military socialism doesn't work.

#44 | Posted by bored at 2019-07-13 03:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I just moved all my cash off shore. I would be fine with a US default and becoming a citizen of Cascadia after the collapse. Those that rely on US pensions will be hurt though.

#45 | Posted by bored at 2019-07-13 03:50 PM | Reply

Repeal the tax cuts and raise the revenue to allow this country to function again.

#46 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-07-13 04:59 PM | Reply

I suggest closing several US military bases in western Europe. Enhance army base in puerto rico and add an airforce wing there.
And temporarily repeal tax cuts.

#47 | Posted by Docman at 2019-07-13 05:58 PM | Reply

This is what happens when you do big tax cuts for the wealthy. It's simple math. (R)tards are bad at math. Another reason not to homeschool. Math, like facts, are the enemy to these fools."

Where did you get your MBA from?

#30 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

It sure as ---- wasn't from Trump U or Beckkk U.

Simple math doesn't require an MBA...

If you were not homeschooled you'd know that!

#48 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-07-13 06:01 PM | Reply

"100% of the military spending is military related."

You can say that if you like, but it ignores all the graft, unnecessary paperwork and systematic overcharging for everything that goes on in the military, plus golf and all the perks officers receive. End of the year free for all where any Department that has money left over rushes out and spends it on anything they can get their hands on so that their next years budget will not be reduced.

Congress frequently purchases more vehicles and aircraft than the military even needs or wants including equipment which is proven to not work as designed.

$500 toilet seats, $1200 for (100) 1/2" bolts etc...

military spending would be a joke if it were not bankrupting the country.

don't forget, for all this spending our military forces have a perfect record of never achieving their stated objectives while leaving a trail of unnecessary death and destruction leaving

#49 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-07-13 07:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

$500 toilet seats, $1200 for (100) 1/2" bolts etc...
military spending would be a joke if it were not bankrupting the country.

#49 | POSTED BY BAYVIKING AT 2019-07-13 07:00 PM

There were never $500 toilet seats. There were entries in a ledger for purchase of toilet seats used to hide money that was spent on things the military doesn't want to put on paper.

#50 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-07-13 08:19 PM | Reply

military spending would be a joke if it were not bankrupting the country.
#49 | POSTED BY BAYVIKING

LOL, come on $500 is chump change ...

Tiny $2 million dollar public bathroom opens in Brooklyn park
pix11.com

Why do you even try?

#51 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-07-13 08:36 PM | Reply

for all this spending our military forces have a perfect record of never achieving their stated objectives while leaving a trail of unnecessary death and destruction leaving
#49 | POSTED BY BAYVIKING

I don't agree, I also don't blame the military for that .... I blame bad policies and politicians ...

You know the policies, the ones our elected members of congress can't vote on, like "No boots on the ground"

#52 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-07-13 08:38 PM | Reply

Congress fails, but NOT the voter's representative.

This is the voter's fault. Stop voting for your failed reps.

#53 | Posted by Petrous at 2019-07-13 09:56 PM | Reply

I like the idea of a temporary repeal of the tax cuts. With the option of making the repeal permanent.

#54 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-07-14 05:28 PM | Reply

I want to see trump give a 90 minute speech explaining where and why the budget needs to be expanded. throw in a little of that vision of the future and explain why there's not a single infrastructure project since the trump cartel took office. some of that free form verbiage .. maybe a new slogan

#55 | Posted by 1947steamer at 2019-07-14 08:17 PM | Reply

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