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President Donald Trump announced Thursday he is backing down from his effort to include a citizenship question on the 2020 census...

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Hate to say I told you so...

Actually, that would be out of character for me, so not really.

#1 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-11 05:30 PM | Reply

Awwwwwwwwwwwww did the racist bigots lose again?? I'm calling a waaaaaaambulance for them.

#2 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-07-11 05:56 PM | Reply

#2 Why so afraid of knowing how many citizens, non-citizens, and illegals are in the country?

And why the need to dash into the 'racist-bigot' camp over wanting to know?

If we're going to spend tax dollars subsidizing non-citizens, don't we have a right to know?

#3 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-11 06:00 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

#3 Why so afraid of understanding the issue?

#4 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-11 06:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

--Why so afraid of knowing how many citizens, non-citizens, and illegals are in the country?

We know the answer to that one. The Democrats don't want the people to know that data, because they might not vote for the Party of Illegal Immigration. Almost 70% in a recent Harris poll support the citizenship question, including a majority of hispanics.

#5 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-07-11 06:07 PM | Reply

Your "answer" is right-wing propaganda, Nullifidian.

#6 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-11 06:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1


@#5 ... Why so afraid of knowing how many citizens, non-citizens, and illegals are in the country? ...

The purpose of the census is to count people.

As Pres Trump aid earlier, there are other ways to know how many citizens, non-citizens, and illegals are in the country.

So why the need to possibly jeopardize the accuracy of the census?

Trump, 'not backing down' in effort to count citizens amid census fight, announces executive order
www.foxnews.com

...President Trump, speaking at the White House on Thursday, announced that he would "immediately" issue an executive order to get an accurate count of non-citizens and citizens in the United States -- a measure Trump said would be "far more accurate" than relying on a citizenship question in the 2020 census....


#7 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-07-11 06:50 PM | Reply

"President Trump, speaking at the White House on Thursday, announced that he would "immediately" issue an executive order to get an accurate count of non-citizens and citizens in the United States"

What is the penalty if I don't cooperate?

#8 | Posted by Zed at 2019-07-11 06:52 PM | Reply

Good. The census shouldn't be politicized like everything else Trump touches.

#9 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-07-11 07:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"The purpose of the census is to count people."

They can't stomach the thought of illegal immigrants being counted as equal to them.
Even three-fifths of a person is too much.

#10 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-11 07:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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There is NO problem with knowing how many citizens or non-citizens live in the country, just that that data CANNOT be used to determine Congressional districts nor the distribution of federal resources to support various state, local and municipal programs, that can only be done based on "counting the whole number of persons in each state", which is the Constitutionally designated purpose of the decennial census.

BTW, the federal government has already been asking very detailed questions, like a person's citizenship, along with dozens of other pieces of information about an individual or their families, for years, but this data is NOT collected as part of the decennial census, but rather by sampling a sub-segment of the population using totally different mechanisms. The difference is that, unlike the decennial census, there is no attempt to count everyone since responding to these questionnaires is purely optional. Also, this data is NOT used to determine Congressional districts nor the distribution of resources to support various state, local and municipal programs.

That being said, Trump and the far-right wants to use only the count of citizens for Congressional apportionment, except this violates the Constitution, but they're trying to slip this in thru the back door as there are some states which have already said that, since the Supreme Court has recently ruled that only the states are responsible for how they go about designating Congressional and Legislative districts, that they would prefer to use only the number of citizens, or in some cases only registered voters (which would leave minors out of the formulas and make voter suppression efforts even more problematic), to determine how they apportion representation. This is NOT what our Founding Fathers had in mind when they wrote the Constitution.

OCU

#11 | Posted by OCUser at 2019-07-11 07:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

'The Democrats don't want the people to know that data, because they might not vote for the Party of Illegal Immigration.'

Republicans ignore data all the time on everything and think what they are told to think by right wing media. So, Republicans why did Ronald Reagan declare amnesty for so many illegal aliens, why Did George Bush tell us they are only coming here to do jobs Americans won't do?
Answer: to flood labor markets with cheap labor and bust unions...and guess what....it worked. Today they still refuse to proseute employers of illegal aliens while whining about them being here. It is disingenuous whining. Actually they do want them here but they still habe to fool a nih part of their racis6t base so they pretend and everything stays the same. If you are one of the millions sucked into this lie, don't admit it, you'll look stupid and everyone will laugh at you. Because, you are stupid and we are laughing at you.

#12 | Posted by danni at 2019-07-11 07:33 PM | Reply

Oh, and be careful with that headline. Trump want's his people to think that he actually WON and that it was the courts who caved and eventually came to agree with him. And he had Bill Barr stand there and make the case that everything is going to work out just fine, that Trump is getting everything and more of what he wanted despite what the average person might think he heard the courts rule.

OCU

#13 | Posted by OCUser at 2019-07-11 07:36 PM | Reply

Headliners are a dime - a - dozen these days.

#14 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2019-07-11 07:53 PM | Reply

How about them dancin' bananas, Rogers?

#15 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2019-07-11 07:54 PM | Reply

It's pretty bad when the Supreme Court tells him to stuff it where the sun don't shine.

#16 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-07-11 07:56 PM | Reply

The Deep State Wins Again!
--QAnon

#17 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-11 07:57 PM | Reply

"It's pretty bad when the Supreme Court tells him to stuff it where the sun don't shine."

Now if the voters will just do the same thing come November 3, 2020!

#18 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-07-11 08:04 PM | Reply

Now if the voters will just do the same thing come November 3, 2020!

#18 | POSTED BY TWINPAC AT 2019-07-11 08:04 PM | FLAG:

And vote for the richest DNC candidate?

Good luck

#19 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2019-07-11 08:06 PM | Reply

--And vote for the richest DNC candidate?

Tom Steyer 2020!

#20 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-07-11 08:10 PM | Reply | Funny: 1


The headlines:

US census 2020: Trump retreats on citizenship question
www.bbc.com

Census Battle: Trump Signs Executive Order on Collection of Citizenship Data
www.breitbart.com

Trump Capitulates in Fight Over Census Citizenship Question
www.bloomberg.com

Trump, 'not backing down' in effort to count citizens amid census fight, announces executive orde
www.foxnews.com

Trump backs off census citizenship question, issues order to collect data in other ways
www.nbcnews.com

Trump Says He Will Seek Citizenship Information From Existing Federal Records, Not the Census
www.nytimes.com

Trump Issues Executive Order To Determine Citizenship Status Of U.S.
www.newsy.com

Trump Backs Off Census Fight, Orders Agencies To Share Data On Citizenship Status
www.npr.org

Trump retreats on adding citizenship question to 2020 Census
www.washingtonpost.com


To my eye, npr.org's headline explains the best the two-faceted nature of what happened.



www.newsy.com

#21 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-07-11 08:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1


oops, the missing last letter of the foxnews title was my fat-finger error, as was the strange appearance of newsy.com at the end of the message.

:)

#22 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-07-11 08:18 PM | Reply


btw, it also looks to my eye that foxnews.com and nbcnewscom are the two runner-ups for the best headline.

Quite interesting in that is that during the Boston Marathon bombing I was watching the news of may channels, and NBC and FOX news both had the better coverage of the situation.

#23 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-07-11 08:34 PM | Reply

Even if Trump doesn't find another way to do it, he'll lie about it and claim what he found is better than the census question.

He can't help himself. It's a mental condition. He's nuts.

#24 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-07-11 08:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1


@#23

Quite interesting in that is that during

should be...

Quite interesting is that during

Good grief.

Hey fingers, please type the words I ask you to type. I'll have no truck with lollygagging on this keyboard. :)


#25 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-07-11 08:56 PM | Reply

I love how right wingers, including some here who used to self-identify as liberal, try to pretend this question is about anything other than juicing the numbers in their favor. Intimidate enough recent immigrants who tend to vote for the more accommodating party, gerrymander a few districts to dilute Democratic majorities, require IDs for little old black ladies, and restrict absentee voting.

Huh. How about that? Looks like the rich white Republican wins again.

#26 | Posted by cbob at 2019-07-11 09:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Awwwwwwwwwwwww did the racist bigots lose again?? I'm calling a waaaaaaambulance for them.

#2 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR AT 2019-07-11 05:56 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

No. They won.

You just aren't getting any smarter, are you?

#27 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-07-11 09:56 PM | Reply

The endless continuous headlines about the orange sloth provide vital distractions from the pillaging and plundering that continue unabated. There is one policy that emerges from the chaos, the kind we would expect from an egotistical con man whose only principle is self! Consolidation of far-right power globally. It makes no difference what the consequences are, terrible, decent, indifferent, as long as his imagery is preserved.

It's understandable that the farce elicits ridicule, and no doubt some are relishing the coming photo-op of Trump and Boris Johnson upholding Anglo-American civilization. But for the world, it's dead serious, from the destruction of the environment and the growing threats of terminal nuclear war to a long list of other crimes and horrors.

It's a mistake to "mis-underestimate" Trump. He is a canny demagogue and manipulator, who is managing to maintain the allegiance of adoring crowds that believe he is standing up for them against the hated elites while they never-the-less bask in new found wealth. Noam Chomsky

#28 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-07-11 09:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"I love how right wingers, including some here who used to self-identify as liberal, try to pretend this question is about anything other than juicing the numbers in their favor."

They are practiced in the art of deception.

They use the DR to practice.

#29 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-11 10:05 PM | Reply

His efforts here had nothing to do with the information. That information will be provided by the Treasury Department, as stated.

He did it for a Campaign Slogan.

Everything he does now is for The Campaign. That includes the 4th Party, which some idiots concluded was non-partisan (barf).

#30 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-07-11 10:24 PM | Reply

If the question will discourage people from cooperating with the census, it should not be asked. We need as accurate a count as possible.

#31 | Posted by moder8 at 2019-07-11 10:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I think Trump wants to continue to prove to everyone how serious he is about illegal immigration.

Even to the point of absurdity with this census question.

as ROC already pointed out.....there was no way this was going to stick.

#32 | Posted by eberly at 2019-07-11 10:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"there was no way this was going to stick."

I disagree.
We'll never get to hear the "A Team's" arguments until a fair judge gives Trump a chance in court.

#33 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-11 10:31 PM | Reply


@#30 ... Everything he does now is for The Campaign. ...

Since about two months ago.

Yup.

His focus on fixing dialysis is nothing but political. Pres Trump has shown, through his actions, that he has no empathy.

Yet he professes empathy for those who need dialysis. You can almost hear his campaign manager telling him that this will get him a million or so votes of the people on dialysis and their families.

For Pres Trump everything is adulation. He has to get the votes, even if it means pretending to care.

That aside, I certainly hope Pres Trump succeeds in his quest to fix the duopoly of dialysis. I just despise the reason for him doing so.

#34 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-07-11 10:35 PM | Reply


@#32 ... I think Trump wants to continue to prove to everyone how serious he is about illegal immigration. ...

I do not think Pres Trump was trying to prove anything to "everyone."

I do think Pres Trump was trying to keep his base energized.

Pres Trump is in campaign mode now.

I'd say we should expect everything he does to make even less sene than the usual.


#35 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-07-11 10:38 PM | Reply

"I think Trump wants to continue to prove to everyone how serious he is about illegal immigration."

Okay. I'll bite.

You mean, not serious at all?

#36 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-07-11 10:59 PM | Reply

If citizenship is unimportant then the government is illegitimate.

#37 | Posted by visitor_ at 2019-07-11 11:40 PM | Reply

No. But citizenship is secondary to physical presence when it comes to allocation of resources.

#38 | Posted by moder8 at 2019-07-11 11:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Note that with Trump halting his attempt to get the courts to rule in his favor he avoids the next step in the litigation process, discovery, which would have required his administration to turn over to the plaintiffs ALL of the emails, memos, text messages and other communications related to the effort to add the citizenship question to the 2020 census. This could have also included any and all communications with the recently deceased election consultant who said that reducing the number of people responding to the census would benefit "Republicans and non-Hispanic whites". Trump could not allow any of this material to be seen by the public since it would have confirmed that the entire effort was for one purpose and one purpose only, to create an under-count that would harm large urban areas, where Democrats do better in elections, and would artificially increase the power of rural states where Republicans generally do better. It would also divert more resources from urban areas to rural regions of the country, again with the intention of harming traditionally Democratic states and diverting those resources to Republican states. Now he can claim that their rational was legitimate all along, just that the courts never gave them enough time to properly demonstrate that legitimacy.

And as I've stated before, Trump's so-called 'executive order' changes absolutely nothing. The data that he's demanding be gathered and shared with the Commerce Department has been on the books for years, just that it was all collected OUTSIDE of the census process, since it's data that contributes nothing to what the census data is Constitutionally mandated to be used for. This has all been a show for his base. They can go away feeling assured that Trumped everything that he could to 'Make America White Again' and that it was only the courts and the 'deep state' that has stopped him, but if his base gives him four or maybe even eight more years (just this morning he joked about sticking around for as many as 14 more years), he'll finally accomplish this goal.

OCU

#39 | Posted by OCUser at 2019-07-12 03:22 AM | Reply

Why so afraid of understanding the issue?
#4 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

I understand clearly that democrats want everything to revolve around race and identity politics except when it comes to identifying how many citizens, non-citizens, and illegals are in our country. You can play all the word games you want, but it's blatantly obvious that dems DO NOT want an accurate number of illegals to be publicized.

#40 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-12 03:33 AM | Reply

When it comes to the census the ONLY thing that is important is to have an accurate count of individuals residing in the country, period! That's all that the Constitution requires of the census. If you wish to get additional demographic data about the make-up of the population, including citizenship and/or immigration status, fine, just don't expect to use the census process for that purpose. As I've stated previously, the United States Government already has mechanisms for getting that information so it's not like any of us are advocating halting these other means of gaining insight into who we are, just don't think that tampering with the census so as to gain some sort of political advantage is proper and ethical. It's not.

OCU

#41 | Posted by OCUser at 2019-07-12 04:09 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"it's blatantly obvious that dems DO NOT want an accurate number of illegals to be publicized."

That's not the issue, no matter how much you want it to be.

The Census is neither designed nor intended to get an accurate number of illegals.

The reason it's not is laid out in the GOP's rationale for wanting to ask that question in the first place: To scare illegals away from participating in the Census, in order to reduce the Congressional delegation of states that have high numbers of illegals in them, notably California.

You will continue pretending not to know this; fortunately the Supreme Court isn't falling for your GOP BS.

#42 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-12 08:32 AM | Reply

Since there is no value in citizenship, we're just residents or occupants now, we can re-adjust our loyalty to the past and the federal system.

#43 | Posted by visitor_ at 2019-07-12 08:43 AM | Reply

"we're just residents or occupants now"

We always have been.
Thanks, Constitution of the United States of America!

#44 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-12 08:51 AM | Reply

Ever careful to manage his public image as he plays loose with the facts, the orange sloth pretends to have a newly discovered way to count the illegal immigrant population. Barr stands up and reinforces that lie. Classic Trumpian political grandstanding as his campaigning BS heats up, by declaring another victory in the face of defeat. Seems tome it's impossible for the President not to violate the Hatch Act.

#45 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-07-12 09:02 AM | Reply

OCU

"just don't think that tampering with the census so as to gain some sort of political advantage is proper and ethical. It's not."

Since when did ethics, or lack thereof, be of any concern to Trump?

Like that ethical Bill of Rights or that ethical Constitution or that ethical Supreme Court or that ethical EPA or that ethical Intel that he ignores.

#46 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-07-12 10:40 AM | Reply

This is a dumb political move on Trump's part. Polling overwhelmingly shows support for the citizen question. It's a great campaign issue for him.

#47 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-12 01:14 PM | Reply

BTW, the citizenship question was NOT going to provide any information as to who was or was not in this country illegally. The change that was being proposed for the 2020 census consisted of a single question which was answered by selecting one of five responses:

"Is this person a citizen of the United States?"

The five responses were:

• Yes, born in the United States.

• Yes, born in Puerto Rico, Guam, the U.S. Virgin Islands, or Northern Marianas.

• Yes, born abroad of U.S. citizen parent or parents.

• Yes, U.S. citizen by naturalization.

• No, not a U.S. citizen.

Answering 'No' does NOT automatically mean that this person is in the country illegally. They could be here on a student or work visa or they could even be a permanent resident alien, i.e. they have a 'Green Card'.

So this idea that the citizenship question was going to provide a count of the number of undocumented individuals was just a bunch of crap. However, what it was going to do was that anyone who did answer 'No', they were now going to fear that the next knock on the door was going to be the INS demanding to see their papers or worse yet, that their names would be put on some sort of 'watch list' where their lives could be negatively impacted and where their family members who were citizens could also be caught-up in all of this and subjected to additional hassle and scrutiny for no other reason than the fact that they share a household with a non-citizen.

OCU

#48 | Posted by OCUser at 2019-07-12 03:07 PM | Reply

"So this idea that the citizenship question was going to provide a count of the number of undocumented individuals was just a bunch of crap. "

Only one problem.
Facts aren't persuasive to conservatives.
They can always turn to alternate facts, as President Trump called them.

#49 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-12 10:49 PM | Reply

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