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Thursday, July 11, 2019

Anti-vaccine advocates in New York are encouraging parents to homeschool their children rather than protect them from serious diseases, according to a recent report in The Wall Street Journal.

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Homeschooling is an epidemic. You see the effects of it among the alt-right (R) tarded population here.

Idiots failing to educate their little idiot carbon copies for religious and political reasons.

The dumbing down of America, see the movie Idiocracy.

#1 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-07-10 12:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 8

Vaxxers are turning isolationist.
More proof this movement is rooted in fear.

#2 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-10 02:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

I always associated the two movements.

Homeschooled kids, however, are not always homeschooled for religious or political reasons. A number are in the autism spectrum or have unusual learning disabilities that require specific instructional methods.

Additionally, homeschooled kids outperform ther public school contemporaries academically on the SAT and ACT.

www.theatlantic.com

#3 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2019-07-10 03:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Homeschooled kids, however, are not always homeschooled for religious or political reasons. A number are in the autism spectrum or have unusual learning disabilities that require specific instructional methods.

One of my son's friends went to elementary school with him but once he got to 5th grade his mom pulled him out of the public school and homes-schooled him through 8th grade. I am not sure why. He seemed pretty smart and was extremely polite. He was also a little weird so I wonder if maybe he was being picked on. His older sister was never home-schooled. For his freshman year he went back to the public school.

I have 2 cousins who were home-schooled. Both are in college now and are doing extremely well. If any of you are wondering how, as a 48 year old, I have cousins who are college-age, my dad is the oldest of 7 and his youngest sibling is only 5 years older than me.

#4 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-10 04:23 PM | Reply

"Additionally, homeschooled kids outperform ther public school contemporaries academically on the SAT and ACT."

Those are optional, self-selecting tests.
You know who can homeschool?
People who can afford to do it.
You know who also outperforms their public school contemporaries?
Rich kids, compared to poor kids.

You also glossed over the difference between homeschooling and pretending to homeschool so as to avoid being around too many diseased immigrants:

"RESULTS: Public-school children performed at or above expected levels for their ages, but children who received structured home schooling scored highest. They exhibited a half-grade advantage in math and were more than two grade levels higher in reading. Children in the unstructured home-schooling group, however, performed the worst across all seven academic measures."

#5 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-10 04:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2


@#3 ... homeschooled kids outperform ther public school contemporaries academically on the SAT and ACT. ...

If that's true, then maybe these home-schooled kids will grow up to be smarter than their antivax parents, and not buy into debunked conspiracy theories.

#6 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-07-10 04:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#6 there are already support groups and how-tos for anti-vaxx kids to get vaccinated on their own without their parents finding out. www.google.com/search?q=how+to+get+vaccinated+without+parental+consent

#7 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-10 05:14 PM | Reply

If any of you are wondering how, as a 48 year old, I have cousins who are college-age, my dad is the oldest of 7 and his youngest sibling is only 5 years older than me.

#4 | POSTED BY comrade JEFFRY

No. Nobody was wondering that.

#8 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-07-11 02:39 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

I think home schooling success depends largely on the education of the parent who is home schooling their children. The people I have known in my life that home schooled did so primarily for religious reasons and were not very well educated so their kids ended up as dumb as their parents.

#9 | Posted by danni at 2019-07-11 09:58 AM | Reply

#9 | POSTED BY DANNI

I agree. I have considered homeschooling my kids (if I am in a financial position to do so once my kids are school age) because I think current school practices are pretty bad at instilling and nurturing a desire to learn (I think schools actually are pretty good at making learning as unenjoyable as possible).

But, I actually believe in "facts" and don't think education is "elitist".

OTOH, it seems like a lot of pro-homeschool people just want to be able to control their children and make sure that they only get exposed to the ignorant worldview of the parents.

garbage in = garbage out

#10 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-07-11 01:50 PM | Reply

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So these unvaccinated kids will also be sheltered and not be exposed to other kids at school's germs so their immune systems will be even weaker. Sounds like an excellent plan.

#11 | Posted by qcp at 2019-07-11 02:17 PM | Reply

So these unvaccinated kids will also be sheltered and not be exposed to other kids at school's germs so their immune systems will be even weaker. Sounds like an excellent plan.
#11 | POSTED BY QCP AT 2019-07-11 02:17 PM

Perhaps the vaccinations cause immune system weakness in a percentage of people? It's not exactly a science so much as a faith in medical practice. As we've seen they lie about the neurological damage caused by it's constituents for decades. I have ZERO faith in vaccination as a preventative method until it's accepted that no significant studies have been performed to identify the causes of autism and spectrum disorders post vaccination.

Even portioning out the series of vaccinations is abhorrent to medical "professionals".

Perhaps this is a method of culling those with natural immunological strengths?

As for home-schooling, it seriously depends upon the relationship. Schools are not intended to prepare people for critical thinking whatsoever. Even colleges are reluctant to update or incorporate new and corrected information into their regimen. The do not encourage theory or analysis, but memorization of flawed concepts, in my experience.

#12 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2019-07-11 02:38 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Great, I will mail out some Happy Homeschooling blankets as soon as I get them back from the leper colony.

#13 | Posted by bored at 2019-07-11 02:50 PM | Reply

Whomever funny flagged my comment - whole unpasteurized milk is considered dangerous by the medical community. Why is that? Be specific. I'm cool with having a different opinion, but the medical community are programmed with false information to invent false outcomes.

#14 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2019-07-11 02:52 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Also, which is it? Get dirty and exposure to bacteria is healthy or dangerous? Does everyone get sick or become a carrier of diseases? You unquestioning people really do make me feel ill.

#15 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2019-07-11 02:55 PM | Reply

Bless your heart. If you're feeling ill it's probably because you have no idea how the immune system works.

#16 | Posted by qcp at 2019-07-11 03:23 PM | Reply

OTOH, it seems like a lot of pro-homeschool people just want to be able to control their children and make sure that they only get exposed to the ignorant worldview of the parents.

garbage in = garbage out

#10 | POSTED BY GTBRITISHSKULL

This is 100% my experience with the homeschool situation.

The kids also had very little social skills and were on their way to becoming sociopaths because they didn't know how to act around their peer group.

There also is a reason a teaching degree takes years to get.

#17 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-07-11 03:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I'm cool with having a different opinion, but the medical community are programmed with false information to invent false outcomes.

#14 | POSTED BY REDLIGHTROBOT

Says every University of Google ever.

No offense dude, but the stuff you post on this topic might have a point somewhere in there but it's too wrapped up in word salad plastered lunacy.

It's also typically a sign of an unhealthy mind to think everybody but them is a programmed follower who doesn't actually understand anything. It leads to lazy, circular thinking lacking in input.

#18 | Posted by jpw at 2019-07-11 03:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Bless your heart. If you're feeling ill it's probably because you have no idea how the immune system works.
#16 | POSTED BY QCP AT 2019-07-11 03:23 PM

Actually, I feel that I have an okay grasp on the cellular differentiation and functions. As I've stated, there are no serious studies on post-vaccination autism and spectrum disorders and children are given massive sums of biological data to assimilate so why not dole them out slower rather than commit neurological damage to babies?

Is there a vaccine preventing self-imposed idiocy? It might not be too late, dude.

Regardless, hopes and prayers back at you!

#19 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2019-07-11 03:38 PM | Reply

"children are given massive sums of biological data to assimilate"

I call BS.
It's a tiny, tiny fraction of the exposure the immune system experiences.

#20 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-11 03:42 PM | Reply

#18 | POSTED BY JPW

The problem with so many anti-vaxxers is it requires the largest of conspiracy-theories - nearly the entire medical profession would have to be in on the scam. Tens of millions of highly educated people trained in a very scientific field that is in a constant state of challenging prevailing theories - that pesky scientific method thing. Further, as an economic scam it's a horrible business model. Let's wipe out Polio with this vaccine and then never be able to sell it again. Gee, that makes sense.

#21 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-11 03:43 PM | Reply

I'm cool with having a different opinion, but the medical community are programmed with false information to invent false outcomes.
#14 | POSTED BY REDLIGHTROBOT
Says every University of Google ever.
No offense dude, but the stuff you post on this topic might have a point somewhere in there but it's too wrapped up in word salad plastered lunacy.
It's also typically a sign of an unhealthy mind to think everybody but them is a programmed follower who doesn't actually understand anything. It leads to lazy, circular thinking lacking in input.
#18 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2019-07-11 03:38 PM

Agreed. There is nothing wrong. Everything is perfect. All outcomes are predicted and modeled without exception.[/snark]

I clumsily reprogram strategy AI's to be able to confront precisely what you claim is lazy, circular and uninformed. Humans tend to follow their leaders. It's an obvious failing when the problem is so systemic.

#22 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2019-07-11 03:43 PM | Reply

#18 | POSTED BY JPW
The problem with so many anti-vaxxers is it requires the largest of conspiracy-theories - nearly the entire medical profession would have to be in on the scam. Tens of millions of highly educated people trained in a very scientific field that is in a constant state of challenging prevailing theories - that pesky scientific method thing. Further, as an economic scam it's a horrible business model. Let's wipe out Polio with this vaccine and then never be able to sell it again. Gee, that makes sense.
#21 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2019-07-11 03:43 PM

The whole milk paradigm..

#23 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2019-07-11 03:45 PM | Reply

I think it makes sense to study the side effects of vaccines, just as it is for other drugs.

But cripe, when I see commercials advertising a drug that fixes a problem not even remotely as severe as Polio and then the commercial ends with a laundry list of potential (many of which sound really nasty) side effects....yeah, I'll stick with having my kids vaccinated.

#24 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-11 03:46 PM | Reply

I mean, dudes, consider the use of alcohol to kill bacteria. It's harmful in many ways to tissues and creates access for infections.

YET, it's the most common thing found in hospitals..

#25 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2019-07-11 03:47 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"I think it makes sense to study the side effects of vaccines, just as it is for other drugs."

Do you think we don't already do that?
???

#26 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-11 03:47 PM | Reply

Like it or not, this is a result of our corrupt election funding system.

People don't trust the government when they know it is for sale to the highest bidder.

If the gov says you need a vaccine, you have no way of knowing if you really need it, or if the vaccine maker simply bribed enough politicians.

Fix election funding, and many of our other problems will go away.

#27 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-07-11 03:47 PM | Reply

I think it makes sense to study the side effects of vaccines, just as it is for other drugs.
But cripe, when I see commercials advertising a drug that fixes a problem not even remotely as severe as Polio and then the commercial ends with a laundry list of potential (many of which sound really nasty) side effects....yeah, I'll stick with having my kids vaccinated.
#24 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2019-07-11 03:46 PM

Wow, that is an excellent point dude. I sometimes wonder if these medications are intended to invent new classes of disorders.

#28 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2019-07-11 03:49 PM | Reply

Do you think we don't already do that?

Of course we already do that.

Almost any drug carries with it some degree of risk. The question becomes is the positive outcome worth the risk. For vaccines like Polio, smallpox, etc...absolutely.

#29 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-11 03:50 PM | Reply

"children are given massive sums of biological data to assimilate"
I call BS.
It's a tiny, tiny fraction of the exposure the immune system experiences.
#20 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2019-07-11 03:42 PM

Hmm.. I'm not certain we are talking about the same activities. I'm referring to the series of vaccinations given to our youngest people. Generally they have never experienced even a fraction of what you know an adult is exposed to.

#30 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2019-07-11 03:51 PM | Reply

whole unpasteurized milk is considered dangerous by the medical community. Why is that? Be specific. I'm cool with having a different opinion, but the medical community are programmed with false information to invent false outcomes.

#14 | POSTED BY REDLIGHTROBOT AT 2019-07-11 02:52 PM | FLAG: Honey they don't know what's good. Ever drink milk straight from the cow?? MMMMMMM Sooooooo good.

#31 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-07-11 03:53 PM | Reply

"I sometimes wonder if these medications are intended to invent new classes of disorders."

It's a lot safer and easier to give someone a pill than cut them open.
Then there's the drugs that just treat things caused by unhealthy diet, like Prilosec.
Much easier to get someone to take a pill than change their diet.

#32 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-11 03:54 PM | Reply

"I think it makes sense to study the side effects of vaccines, just as it is for other drugs."
Do you think we don't already do that?
???
#26 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2019-07-11 03:47 PM

Hmm.. I do not believe that is the case. Many medications have limitations on their studies prior to public use. It appears that statins cause alzheimer's. That might be information the pharmaceutical industry doesn't want exposed publicly? So, if you are right they are culpable of mass poisoning and terminal disease.

#33 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2019-07-11 03:55 PM | Reply

"I sometimes wonder if these medications are intended to invent new classes of disorders."
It's a lot safer and easier to give someone a pill than cut them open.
Then there's the drugs that just treat things caused by unhealthy diet, like Prilosec.
Much easier to get someone to take a pill than change their diet.
#32 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2019-07-11 03:54 PM

100% correct - invasive surgeries are too commonplace and unnecessary.

You believe that Cohn's disease is caused by an unhealthy diet?

#34 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2019-07-11 03:57 PM | Reply

"whole unpasteurized milk is considered dangerous by the medical community. Why is that? Be specific."

Uncertain cold chain. Unregulated marketplace. Higher incidence of food-borne illness among people who consume raw milk vs. pasteurized.

Pretty much the same reason raw chicken is considered dangerous by the medical community. The way we process chicken introduces salmonella, by exposing chicken meat to chicken feces.

It's not like chicken meat is crawling with salmonella in the living chickens out in the yard.

#35 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-11 03:58 PM | Reply

"You believe that Cohn's disease is caused by an unhealthy diet"

No idea.
Diet surely plays a role in how any GI condition manifests.

#36 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-11 03:59 PM | Reply

whole unpasteurized milk is considered dangerous by the medical community. Why is that? Be specific. I'm cool with having a different opinion, but the medical community are programmed with false information to invent false outcomes.
#14 | POSTED BY REDLIGHTROBOT AT 2019-07-11 02:52 PM | FLAG: Honey they don't know what's good. Ever drink milk straight from the cow?? MMMMMMM Sooooooo good.
#31 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR AT 2019-07-11 03:53 PM

It used to be legal to purchase unpasteurized milk from a farm. The FDA is a fraud. They claimed that mad cow was limited to specific muscles. That was the closest I ever came to actually throwing an object at my television.

#37 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2019-07-11 04:00 PM | Reply

I have ZERO faith in vaccination as a preventative method until it's accepted that no significant studies have been performed to identify the causes of autism and spectrum disorders post vaccination.

Several major studies have been done that show there is no increase in autism in vaccinated vs unvaccinated populations. We still don't know what causes autism but it absolutely positively scientifically proven that vaccines DO NOT cause autism.

#38 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-07-11 04:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"That might be information the pharmaceutical industry doesn't want exposed publicly?"

It might, but that's an industry decision, not a pharmaceutical decision.

#39 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-11 04:01 PM | Reply

It used to be legal to purchase unpasteurized milk from a farm. The FDA is a fraud. They claimed that mad cow was limited to specific muscles. That was the closest I ever came to actually throwing an object at my television.

POSTED BY REDLIGHTROBOT AT 2019-07-11 04:00 PM | REPLY

I have an Amish source for mine. It's yummmers.

#40 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-07-11 04:03 PM | Reply

"whole unpasteurized milk is considered dangerous by the medical community. Why is that? Be specific."
Uncertain cold chain. Unregulated marketplace. Higher incidence of food-borne illness among people who consume raw milk vs. pasteurized.
Pretty much the same reason raw chicken is considered dangerous by the medical community. The way we process chicken introduces salmonella, by exposing chicken meat to chicken feces.
It's not like chicken meat is crawling with salmonella in the living chickens out in the yard.
#35 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2019-07-11 03:58 PM

Please show me your information because it runs counter to what I experience.

"You believe that Cohn's disease is caused by an unhealthy diet"
No idea.
Diet surely plays a role in how any GI condition manifests.
#36 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2019-07-11 03:59 PM

I've always considered these diseases, such as diabetes to be latter-stage reactions to a systemic longer-term problem. And my intuition is that vaccines play an important role in creating these immunodeficiencies, chronic inflammation and ultimately lack of proper function.

#41 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2019-07-11 04:04 PM | Reply

"We still don't know what causes autism but it absolutely positively scientifically proven that vaccines DO NOT cause autism."

Autism itself is a poorly defined and poorly understood condition.
Unlike vaccines, which are understood very well.

vaccine
from Latin vaccinus, from vacca ‘cow' (because of the early use of the cowpox virus against smallpox).

Vaccines aren't new, Ben Franklin wrote about them:
"In 1736 I lost one of my sons, a fine boy of four years old, by the smallpox taken in the common way. I long regretted bitterly and still regret that I had not given it to him by inoculation. This I mention for the sake of the parents who omit that operation, on the supposition that they should never forgive themselves if a child died under it; my example showing that the regret may be the same either way, and that, therefore, the safer should be chosen."
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

#42 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-11 04:06 PM | Reply

Outbreak-Related Disease Burden Associated with Consumption of Unpasteurized Cow's Milk and Cheese, United States, 2009–2014 wwwnc.cdc.gov

#43 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-11 04:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I would agree that diabetes is the terminal-ish state of something that's been wrong and getting worse for a long time.

#44 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-11 04:09 PM | Reply

I have ZERO faith in vaccination as a preventative method until it's accepted that no significant studies have been performed to identify the causes of autism and spectrum disorders post vaccination.
Several major studies have been done that show there is no increase in autism in vaccinated vs unvaccinated populations. We still don't know what causes autism but it absolutely positively scientifically proven that vaccines DO NOT cause autism.
#38 | POSTED BY HATTER5183 AT 2019-07-11 04:01 PM

And we are divided again. There is an obvious condition occurring post-vaccination. Why this isn't taken more seriously is because anecdotal evidence - the parents - have NO impact on the data presented by the medical establishment. How long did it take before thimerosal was recognized as a neurologically toxic substance and "removed"? Decades.

"That might be information the pharmaceutical industry doesn't want exposed publicly?"
It might, but that's an industry decision, not a pharmaceutical decision.
#39 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2019-07-11 04:01 PM

And we come back 'round to why you can't trust a medical professional who is trained so specifically to ignore this relationship.

Dude, it's like I'm talking to a brick wall!

#45 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2019-07-11 04:10 PM | Reply

Whomever funny flagged my comment - whole unpasteurized milk is considered dangerous by the medical community. Why is that? Be specific. I'm cool with having a different opinion, but the medical community are programmed with false information to invent false outcomes.

#14 | POSTED BY REDLIGHTROBOT AT 2019-07-11 02:52 PM | REPLY

Raw milk can carry dangerous bacteria such as Salmonella, E. coli, Listeria, Campylobacter, and others that cause foodborne illness, often called "food poisoning."

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), from 1993 through 2012, there were 127 outbreaks linked to raw milk or raw milk products like ice cream, soft cheese, or yogurt. CDC points out that most foodborne illnesses are not a part of recognized outbreaks, and for every illness reported, many others occur. Just 1 outbreak has been linked to properly stored Pasteurized milk in over 60 years and there was some evidence that the milk involved had been improperly stored

#46 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-07-11 04:12 PM | Reply

It used to be legal to purchase unpasteurized milk from a farm. The FDA is a fraud. They claimed that mad cow was limited to specific muscles. That was the closest I ever came to actually throwing an object at my television.
POSTED BY REDLIGHTROBOT AT 2019-07-11 04:00 PM | REPLY
I have an Amish source for mine. It's yummmers.
#40 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR AT 2019-07-11 04:03 PM

Do you consider yourself having a very healthy immunity and digestion?

I am extremely jelly, btw. Whole milk products are essential, imo.

#47 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2019-07-11 04:12 PM | Reply

"If the gov says you need a vaccine, you have no way of knowing if you really need it, or if the vaccine maker simply bribed enough politicians."

Your mommy should have vaccinated you against tin foil hats, because you've got a pretty bad case.

#48 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-11 04:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Do you consider yourself having a very healthy immunity and digestion?
I am extremely jelly, btw. Whole milk products are essential, imo.

POSTED BY REDLIGHTROBOT AT 2019-07-11 04:12 PM | REPLY

I feel that I do. I don't get sick very often. What I do suffer from is due to weight more than anything.

#49 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-07-11 04:18 PM | Reply

What is "3.2% of the population"? It's missing at every opportunity to commit to that total. Instead, the language of "760 illnesses/year and 22 hospitalizations/year" causing "96% of illnesses caused by contaminated dairy products."

Also, isn't it strange how adding a silver dollar allowed milk to travel in the heat and sun for weeks without getting everyone sick? Gee, it's as if there is another method of preventing dangerous bacteria and leaving the whole food edible?! How ---- clever of those wagon settlers..

#50 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2019-07-11 04:29 PM | Reply

Quelle surprise. The gullible conspiracy theory loons choose to be more isolated and provincial.
Note to country: this kind of crap is how Trump got elected: more and more ignorant Americans choose isolation and ignorance over inclusion and education.

#51 | Posted by e1g1 at 2019-07-11 04:37 PM | Reply

Do you consider yourself having a very healthy immunity and digestion?
I am extremely jelly, btw. Whole milk products are essential, imo.
POSTED BY REDLIGHTROBOT AT 2019-07-11 04:12 PM | REPLY
I feel that I do. I don't get sick very often. What I do suffer from is due to weight more than anything.
#49 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR AT 2019-07-11 04:18 PM

Okay, this might help you: shave only the yellow skin off a lemon leaving the white pith, quarter, remove obvious seeds, add one peeled banana, a big thumb of ginger, a thumb of turmeric root, a squirt of honey and some fresh scraped nutmeg. Add water, blend and enjoy! I leave the skin on the ginger and turmeric, btw. Less effort and no difference in taste whatsoever.

It might not seem like a real technique, but it works for me - but I'm also naturally skinny.

Lemon is bitter and sour, turmeric is earthy, ginger is spicy and the banana, honey and nutmeg are just extra to mellow the flavor. Alter the ratios so you can tolerate it, but do it every day. Try it a week - that means seven lemons, bananas and such. I don't make it too far ahead, but it seems to refrigerate for days okay.

I used to go through the effort of a masticating juicer (I have two) and all that jazz, but this can be chopped and blended pretty quick with little mess to clean.

#52 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2019-07-11 04:39 PM | Reply

"...the medical community are programmed with false information to invent false outcomes."
#14 | POSTED BY REDLIGHTROBOT AT 2019-07-11 02:52 PM | REPLY

Read what you wrote.
You should hit yourself in the face for being so dumb.
Read what you wrote again.
Hit yourself once more for good measure.

#53 | Posted by e1g1 at 2019-07-11 04:39 PM | Reply

"...the medical community are programmed with false information to invent false outcomes."
#14 | POSTED BY REDLIGHTROBOT AT 2019-07-11 02:52 PM | REPLY
Read what you wrote.
You should hit yourself in the face for being so dumb.
Read what you wrote again.
Hit yourself once more for good measure.
#53 | POSTED BY E1G1 AT 2019-07-11 04:39 PM

OPIOID ADDICTION.

Now smack yourself around a bit, but first put on that blond wig I bought you.

#54 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2019-07-11 04:48 PM | Reply

Whodathunkit? An anti-vaxxer recommends a lemon-juice diet as a way to lose weight.

The science they don't want you to know!

#55 | Posted by cbob at 2019-07-11 05:20 PM | Reply

Whodathunkit? An anti-vaxxer recommends a lemon-juice diet as a way to lose weight.
The science they don't want you to know!

POSTED BY CBOB AT 2019-07-11 05:20 PM | REPLY

I'm desperate. I'll try anything.

#56 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-07-11 05:25 PM | Reply

I'm desperate. I'll try anything.

#56 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR

Be careful, friend. I know a guy who ended up hospitalized after trying a lemon-juice diet. He was getting no nutrition!

The only safe, reliable way to lose weight is by shifting the balance of calorie intake vs calorie output. In other words, exercising and eating right. Cut out sugar, cut out processed food as much as possible, switch to mostly fruits and vegetables, nuts, fish, a little meat is ok...and exercise. Walking, taking the stairs and other daily activities count as exercise.

Talk to a doctor who is known for these principles who can help you plan. Start slowly.

#57 | Posted by cbob at 2019-07-11 05:40 PM | Reply

Try eating less lard ass.

#58 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2019-07-11 05:50 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

...less, lard ass.

But in that case both are probably appropriate.

#59 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2019-07-11 05:51 PM | Reply

Got off the soda, processed foods, snacks and chips.

Stick to fruits, veggies, lean meats. Go for long walks or ride a bike.

#60 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-11 05:54 PM | Reply

Put on a yoke and plow a field, Mongo.

#61 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2019-07-11 05:55 PM | Reply

Fat people are disgusting. Just sloppy.
This whole notion of not body shaming people is absurd.
Those unhealthy tubs cost us money and are unhealthy.

They should have graphic fat people commercials like those for smokers.

#62 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2019-07-11 05:57 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

If vaccines weren't mandatory, it wouldn't be a big deal.

#63 | Posted by Ray at 2019-07-11 05:58 PM | Reply

So unhealthy it was worth saying twice.

Full disclosure, I like fat Oprah better than thin Oprah.

#64 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2019-07-11 05:59 PM | Reply

Hey, it's gRay

#65 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2019-07-11 05:59 PM | Reply

I guess it's not really surprising that Ben Franklin was a lot smarter than a whole lot of y'all are.

#66 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-11 06:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Whodathunkit? An anti-vaxxer recommends a lemon-juice diet as a way to lose weight.
The science they don't want you to know!
POSTED BY CBOB AT 2019-07-11 05:20 PM
I'm desperate. I'll try anything.
#56 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR AT 2019-07-11 05:25 PM

This is perfectly safe, regardless the detractors here. I'm not advocating leaving out regular food, but the juice also suppresses some of my hunger. In the mornings I drink a generic powdered greens, powdered beets and powdered moringa - it's nasty to me, but I do it religiously first thing before covfefe. I also take some vitamins, but they aren't necessary other than maybe consider COQ10 - I noticed my muscles stop faster. It's about $20 averaging a dollar per pill. I'll eat an egg and cheese sandwich and then head to work. The lemon ginger juice is for my fifteen minute lunch. In between I might sneak some string cheese in. I usually eat a hamburger or some kind of meat and raw onion at dinner - the more onion the better. After years of a vegan diet this one suits me fine adding some meat, eggs and cheese. Most training programs advocate checking your weight only once per week - I say do it whenever. Just keep expectations at a minimum - it takes about 3-4 days before the loss begins. It will continue until you hit an optimum caloric usage, which is what CBOB expresses. Then you can get serious with exercise and expect real physical changes. In my experience it gets waaay easier once you control when and how much you eat.

If I get stoned I will eat junk food, particularly at night, so that's something to consider.

I guess it's not really surprising that Ben Franklin was a lot smarter than a whole lot of y'all are.
#66 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2019-07-11 06:10 PM

I must admit his writing style is exceptionally well-thought out.

#67 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2019-07-11 07:10 PM | Reply

"COQ10"

Possibly the least necessary supplement imaginable.

#68 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-11 07:13 PM | Reply

"And we come back 'round to why you can't trust a medical professional who is trained so specifically to ignore this relationship."

Who taught you to trust COQ10?
A marketer, not a medical professional.

#69 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-11 07:18 PM | Reply

Generally they have never experienced even a fraction of what you know an adult is exposed to.

#30 | Posted by redlightrobot

Snoofy wasn't referring to a cumulative amount.

He was referring to the fact that your immune system is sampling the exterior environments of your GI tract, lungs, throat, mouth, skin, eyes, [insert mucosal surface here] CONSTANTLY. How else do you think you develop a tolerance to food or environmental stuff? It's because your immune system samples it and adjusts to it's presence.

Your immune system is also constantly surveilling your body for various signs and signals of a problem, which leads to the control of cancers, detection of infection, cleanup of cells that have committed suicide and maintenance of immunological tolerance for your own cells and tissues.

The immune system is always going, always monitoring and always working.

#70 | Posted by jpw at 2019-07-11 07:22 PM | Reply

Humans tend to follow their leaders. It's an obvious failing when the problem is so systemic.

#22 | Posted by redlightrobot

And yet we see major breakthroughs regularly by people pushing boundaries and reassessing old paradigms.

Just admit you have zero experience in any sort of relevant field that would allow you to make such assessments.

#71 | Posted by jpw at 2019-07-11 07:24 PM | Reply

Who taught you to trust COQ10?
A marketer, not a medical professional.
#69 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Medical professionals are marketers too.

The proof is in the high cost of medicine and health care.
Are Americans getting any healthier? I don't think so.

#72 | Posted by Ray at 2019-07-11 07:27 PM | Reply

As I've stated, there are no serious studies on post-vaccination autism and spectrum disorders and children are given massive sums of biological data to assimilate so why not dole them out slower rather than commit neurological damage to babies?

Because the vaccine schedule is timed to give children immunity to replace the waning immunity they had been receiving passively from their mother at the times when the response would provide the best and longest protection. It's not a guess here.

And there's very little evidence of neurological damage to children from vaccination.

Finally, there's been mountains of studies studying the role of vaccines in autism disorders. They've all come up with nothing in support of the now massively debunked assertion that they were ever linked.

In fact, ongoing studies of autism has shown genetic and environmental components, even the microbiome, to be triggers. Vaccines are not anywhere close to the right tree to be barking up.

#73 | Posted by jpw at 2019-07-11 07:29 PM | Reply

And there's very little evidence of neurological damage to children from vaccination.
#73 | POSTED BY JPW

That's what the vaxxers always say. As long as they ignore the evidence, it's not there.

Big Pharma is immune from lawsuits. The legislation came as a result of being bombarded with vaccine lawsuits.

That fact alone should prompt an interest on what anti-vaxxers are saying.

It strikes me as nuts to bypass the immune defenses with vaccines that contain aluminum, mercury, formaldehyde, polyethylene glycol, foreign proteins and unknown viruses. Some of those are neurotoxic.

When a subject gets political, the cardinal rule is to follow the money.

#74 | Posted by Ray at 2019-07-11 07:56 PM | Reply

"That's what the vaxxers always say. As long as they ignore the evidence, it's not there."

Bull ------- ----.

If you had evidence, you wouldn't be here, you'd be having sex with hookers in a huge pile of $100 bills.

And you'd be thanking big pharma for Viagra, not cursing it.

#75 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-11 07:59 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Anyone ever thought these folks just want to be left alone? I have my shots and I dont care what they do. It's none business.

#76 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2019-07-11 08:00 PM | Reply

#75 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2019-07-11 07:59 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Busybody

#77 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2019-07-11 08:01 PM | Reply

Bull ------- ----.
If you had evidence, you wouldn't be here, you'd be having sex with hookers in a huge pile of $100

Vaccinations aren't the same thing as antibiotics

#78 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2019-07-11 08:03 PM | Reply

In the years after I was vaccinated my penis got much bigger. The autism sucks, but it was worth it.

#79 | Posted by bored at 2019-07-11 08:06 PM | Reply

#74 It strikes me as nuts to bypass the immune defenses with vaccines that contain aluminum, mercury, formaldehyde, polyethylene glycol, foreign proteins and unknown viruses. Some of those are neurotoxic.

Do you know what else contains all those toxins? The water you drink every day. The amount matters, otherwise homeopathy would not be a fraud.

#80 | Posted by bored at 2019-07-11 08:09 PM | Reply

#76 Sadly, the libertarian approach doesn't work here.

Herd immunity requires a certain threshold to be vaccinated, so it is in fact your business.

(I can show you the math if that would help sway you to the Dark Side.)

#81 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-11 08:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

(I can show you the math if that would help sway you to the Dark Side.)

#81 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2019-07-11 08:10 PM | REPLY | FLAG

Is this the same calculator that said Hillary would win in 2016?

#82 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2019-07-11 08:12 PM | Reply

#79 made my day, thanks.

#83 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-11 08:12 PM | Reply

"That's what the vaxxers always say. As long as they ignore the evidence, it's not there."
Bull ------- ----.
If you had evidence, you wouldn't be here, you'd be having sex with hookers in a huge pile of $100 bills.
And you'd be thanking big pharma for Viagra, not cursing it.
#75 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

There you go again. Attacking the messenger. Not an ounce of curiosity to the evidence compiled by anti-vaxxers. Not an ounce of curiosity about the toxins in vaccines I listed.

And as I argued originally, if vaccines weren't mandatory, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

#84 | Posted by Ray at 2019-07-11 08:17 PM | Reply

"Is this the same calculator that said Hillary would win in 2016?"

If you mean win the popular vote, yes!

Considering there are people who actually shouldn't be vaccinated for medical reasons, e.g. people allergic to eggs don't get the flu shot, those who can get vaccinated should do it to extend the benefits of herd immunity to those who can't get vaccinated.

As well as for the benefit of the young, the old, and others with weakened immune systems.

You could be a carrier, not develop symptoms, but still transmit the disease to those you come in contact with.

Normal people really don't know this stuff, huh? That's terrifying.

#85 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-11 08:20 PM | Reply

Gastrointestinal isn't the same as injecting it in a vein. Snoofy dont get that part.

#86 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2019-07-11 08:20 PM | Reply

"Gastrointestinal isn't the same as injecting it in a vein. Snoofy dont get that part."

I know way too many ex-herion users to not know that. Don't get uppity with me, boy!

#87 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-11 08:22 PM | Reply

#85.

Obviously you missed the memo that the presidential election isn't a popularity contest. It's an electoral college process. Sorry I had to break the news.

#88 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2019-07-11 08:22 PM | Reply

boy!

#87 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2019-07-11 08:22 PM | FLAG:

I dond do ----------.

This is a light hearted convo so dont make me want to like it

😁

#89 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2019-07-11 08:24 PM | Reply

Because I totally didn't get that when I said "provided you mean the popular vote!"

Is this fun for you?

It's fun for me, educating people about the science that explains why vaccines work.

Who else has a question. Ray?

#90 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-11 08:26 PM | Reply

"And as I argued originally, if vaccines weren't mandatory, we wouldn't be having this discussion."

They're not mandatory.
They're just mandatory if you want to use certain welfare programs like government education.
Ray, next question?

#91 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-11 08:28 PM | Reply

It strikes me as nuts to bypass the immune defenses with vaccines that contain aluminum, mercury, formaldehyde, polyethylene glycol, foreign proteins and unknown viruses. Some of those are neurotoxic.

Lol to somebody who's educated about immunology and infectious diseases this says little more than "yup I'm ignorant and proud of it too!".

#92 | Posted by jpw at 2019-07-11 08:33 PM | Reply

"Not an ounce of curiosity to the evidence compiled by anti-vaxxers."

I'm a deeply curious person, and the evidence isn't persuasive. The lack of anything resembling a putative mechanism of action is also problematic.

"Not an ounce of curiosity about the toxins in vaccines I listed."

There's a lot to easily debunk there, but the stealth -------- -- meaning it's true, but also true in the absence of vaccines -- is "unknown viruses."

Something like 98% of viruses are unknown, includung the ones in your bloodstream right now.

Your talking point relies on the ignoeance of the audience to surmise what you said amounts to a threat vector from vaccination, which is false.

You shouldn't spread lies, Ray.

#93 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-11 08:38 PM | Reply

It's fun for me, educating people about the science that explains why vaccines work.
Who else has a question. Ray?
#90 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Keep up the good work. Vaccines help alleviate overpopulation.

There is plenty of evidence explaining why vaccines not only don't work, they are harmful to our immune systems. It's fascinating how you can be so sure of yourself without looking at contrary evidence.

#94 | Posted by Ray at 2019-07-11 08:39 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

You shouldn't spread lies, Ray.
#93 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Politicians are born liars. Yet you still trust them.

Amazing!

#95 | Posted by Ray at 2019-07-11 08:42 PM | Reply

Lol to somebody who's educated about immunology and infectious diseases this says little more than "yup I'm ignorant and proud of it too!".
#92 | POSTED BY JPW

I've forgotten more about the relationship between diet and disease than you'll ever know.

#96 | Posted by Ray at 2019-07-11 08:46 PM | Reply

Not an ounce of curiosity to the evidence compiled by anti-vaxxers. Not an ounce of curiosity about the toxins in vaccines I listed.

The plural of anecdote is not data.

And you don't list the "toxins" correctly nor do you likely understand why many of them make you look like an idiot for listing them.

#97 | Posted by jpw at 2019-07-11 08:56 PM | Reply

In the years after I was vaccinated my penis got much bigger. The autism sucks, but it was worth it.

#79 | POSTED BY BORED AT 2019-07-11 08:06 PM | FLAG:

Dude! Same! I have so many women insisting I go to bed with them now that I'm vaccinated that I can't escape them! I'm like, look, I know I'm measles-free, and my wang is huge, but you'll have to wait your turn! I can only handle 2-4 of you each day.

OTOH, my social skills are stunted.

#98 | Posted by cbob at 2019-07-11 09:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

And you don't list the "toxins" correctly nor do you likely understand why many of them make you look like an idiot for listing them.
#97 | POSTED BY JPW

That's an opinion.

When government starts mandating something, that serves as a warning to me that someone is getting paid off. In this case, it's Big Pharma.

#99 | Posted by Ray at 2019-07-11 09:03 PM | Reply

"There is plenty of evidence explaining why vaccines not only don't work, they are harmful to our immune systems."

Hit me with some DOIs, Ray.
I'd love to read them.

#100 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-11 09:11 PM | Reply

"When government starts mandating something, that serves as a warning to me that someone is getting paid off. In this case, it's Big Pharma."

Congratulations, you figured out we're a capitalist economy!

There's no vaccine for that, but you might try a Che t-shirt. Your woke look would rock the world of those around you!

#101 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-11 09:13 PM | Reply

Congratulations, you figured out we're a capitalist economy!
There's no vaccine for that, but you might try a Che t-shirt. Your woke look would rock the world of those around you!
#101 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Capitalism is not a political system. You mean corporatism or fascism or oligarchy, or plutocracy.

Hit me with some DOIs, Ray.
I'd love to read them.

#100 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Do your own research. Every time I supply sources, I get burned.

#102 | Posted by Ray at 2019-07-11 09:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Do your own research. Every time I supply sources, I get burned."

No, Ray.
You tell me.
You're not afraid of the fire, are you?

#103 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-11 09:21 PM | Reply

"Capitalism is not a political system. You mean corporatism or fascism or oligarchy, or plutocracy."

Then what does it mean that the United States is a capitalist country?

I'll tell you. It means our political system adopted, and is built to sustain, the capitalist model. That's one where, when the government wants stuff done, money gets exchanged.

#104 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-11 09:22 PM | Reply

Do your own research. Every time I supply sources, I get burned.
POSTED BY RAY AT 2019-07-11 09:20 PM | REPLY

Protect your eyes and wear Raybans.

#105 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-07-11 09:28 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Then what does it mean that the United States is a capitalist country?

Business economics is one thing. Politics is another. What you are erroneously calling capitalism is politics.

#103 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

There is plenty of information on Amazon and on the web. If you are to lazy to look for yourself, then you are not interested.

#106 | Posted by Ray at 2019-07-11 09:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

There's also plenty of bogus information.

That's why I'm asking you to shine your light, Ray.

#107 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-11 09:49 PM | Reply

Ray sells people colloidal silver.

#108 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-07-11 09:51 PM | Reply

Is it homemade, from his silver hoard?
I hope so. Lots of quacks out there.

You wouldn't want unknown viruses in your colloidal silver, Ray!

#109 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-11 09:57 PM | Reply

There's also plenty of bogus information.
#107 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Okay. I'll bite. The usual response is to attack my sources.

Silent Epidemic:The Untold Story of Vaccines - Full Movie - Directed by Gary Null
www.youtube.com

Dr. Sherri Tenpenny - Why You Should Say NO to Vaccines
www.youtube.com

Dissolving Illusions: Disease, Vaccines, and The Forgotten History on Amazon
www.amazon.com

I'm done for the night anyway.

#110 | Posted by Ray at 2019-07-11 10:00 PM | Reply

Ray sells people colloidal silver.
#108 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE

I much prefer silver coins.

#111 | Posted by Ray at 2019-07-11 10:03 PM | Reply

"Directed by Gary Null"

Ooh ooh ooh!

Is that where Nullifidian got his name?

Did years of nothing but brown rice and steamed broccoli do this to you, Nulli?

#112 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-11 10:08 PM | Reply

"COQ10"
Possibly the least necessary supplement imaginable.
#68 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2019-07-11 07:13 PM
"And we come back 'round to why you can't trust a medical professional who is trained so specifically to ignore this relationship."
Who taught you to trust COQ10?
A marketer, not a medical professional.
#69 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2019-07-11 07:18 PM

True, I have no marketer telling me this and that. I do my own research, for the most part I have success through trial and error just like you might. It is an unnecessary supplement, but I am very active and notice that I can stop movement much more accurately - that's not what it's advertised for, I know. I have not taken it for about two weeks and do not feel any different, only after I use it.

I don't watch television so no commercialization captivated me, it was happenstance as I was searching for cardiovascular information. Perhaps it acts differently with the marijuana? I only suggested it because I'm trying to get into a better shape and that seemed to encourage me to work out more, it might be helpful to Laura.

JPW is right - I only have my personal experience, so it's up to you to accept it or not.

#113 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2019-07-11 10:08 PM | Reply

The decline in education, undertaken deliberately against the Civil Rights and Anti-War movements, will continue unabated. Other countries will pass us by.

#114 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-07-11 10:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Humans tend to follow their leaders. It's an obvious failing when the problem is so systemic.
#22 | Posted by redlightrobot
And yet we see major breakthroughs regularly by people pushing boundaries and reassessing old paradigms.
Just admit you have zero experience in any sort of relevant field that would allow you to make such assessments.
#71 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2019-07-11 07:24 PM

I am the technician that you would call on for your equipment. I've worked in several hospitals, clinics and such.

Also, your statement makes no sense - I'm human, most likely.lol

Seriously, I find answers in the anomalies, not so much the standards.

As I've stated, there are no serious studies on post-vaccination autism and spectrum disorders and children are given massive sums of biological data to assimilate so why not dole them out slower rather than commit neurological damage to babies?
Because the vaccine schedule is timed to give children immunity to replace the waning immunity they had been receiving passively from their mother at the times when the response would provide the best and longest protection. It's not a guess here.
And there's very little evidence of neurological damage to children from vaccination.
Finally, there's been mountains of studies studying the role of vaccines in autism disorders. They've all come up with nothing in support of the now massively debunked assertion that they were ever linked.
In fact, ongoing studies of autism has shown genetic and environmental components, even the microbiome, to be triggers. Vaccines are not anywhere close to the right tree to be barking up.
#73 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2019-07-11 07:29 PM

And we come back around to "those parents obviously are not medical professionals and know nothing about which they complain!" I believe they would be the first to notice any significant changes, so discounting their input is offensive to me.

What activates those triggers so suddenly and just after vaccination? It's such a mystery..

#115 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2019-07-11 10:09 PM | Reply

"Is it homemade, from his silver hoard?"
I hope so. Lots of quacks out there.
You wouldn't want unknown viruses in your colloidal silver, Ray!
#109 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2019-07-11 09:57 PM

I honestly hope you are joking, because you know that is not possible.

#116 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2019-07-11 10:11 PM | Reply

#115 link please to the alleged activation phenomena

#117 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-07-11 10:13 PM | Reply

#115 link please to the alleged activation phenomena
#117 | POSTED BY BAYVIKING AT 2019-07-11 10:13 PM

Oh, you mean any professional studies?

Would they be suppressed for a reason?

Check out this video of parents discussing their experience: Triplets get Autism Hours After Vaccination

#118 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2019-07-11 10:19 PM | Reply

Her description reminds me of my experience as an adult. Cloudy vision, mental processes, language, direction - it was hell.

#119 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2019-07-11 10:20 PM | Reply

Oh yeah, I almost missed a bus because I didn't even notice it had stopped directly in front of me.

#120 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2019-07-11 10:21 PM | Reply

You can't take the statement "colloidial silver has antiviral properties for health" and extrapolate it to mean "viruses cannot exist in the presence of colloidal silver."

Well, you could, and you did, but you're wrong.

#121 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-11 10:22 PM | Reply

You can't take the statement "colloidial silver has antiviral properties for health" and extrapolate it to mean "viruses cannot exist in the presence of colloidal silver."
Well, you could, and you did, but you're wrong.
#121 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2019-07-11 10:22 PM

First off, I don't use colloidal silver, I use ionic meaning before it forms visible colloids. If I remember I think I only allow up to 20ppm, but it's also easy to use a standard laser to determine particulate density.

Do you keep house plants? Have you ever gotten those fuzzy white mites that infest exotics? Spray ionic silver and see what happens.

AND ionic silver absolutely destroys pathogens, bacteria, etc. It's great because you just spray your face and throat, no special diet or mantra required. Having worked for years in medical facilities I have experience with both medical staff and technical staff. Medical staff are extremely reluctant to try it, even though it works for techs just fine.

Honestly, I have no other answer than just buy a good brand like Sovereign Silver and try it for yourself. I don't buy any other, but I used to make it myself before my 99.999% pure rods were stolen. Anyhoo, consider giving it a whirl sometime and let me know.

#122 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2019-07-11 10:35 PM | Reply

Gastrointestinal isn't the same as injecting it in a vein. Snoofy dont get that part.

#86 | Posted by lfthndthrds

What vaccine is injected into veins?

#123 | Posted by jpw at 2019-07-11 11:17 PM | Reply

There is plenty of evidence explaining why vaccines not only don't work, they are harmful to our immune systems. It's fascinating how you can be so sure of yourself without looking at contrary evidence.

#94 | Posted by Ray

Vaccines don't work?

LOL

Either that's a really unqualified sloppy sentence or you just proved you're not even trying to be taken seriously.

#124 | Posted by jpw at 2019-07-11 11:19 PM | Reply

Gastrointestinal isn't the same as injecting it in a vein. Snoofy dont get that part.
#86 | Posted by lfthndthrds
What vaccine is injected into veins?
#123 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2019-07-11 11:17 PM

[sigh] this is the kind of pedantic non-helpful process that separates the educated from reality. You parse like a robot.

#125 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2019-07-11 11:20 PM | Reply

I've forgotten more about the relationship between diet and disease than you'll ever know.

#96 | Posted by Ray

Forgetting -------- isn't something to brag about.

Still denying germ theory and the volumes of knowledge on disease pathogenesis are we?

#126 | Posted by jpw at 2019-07-11 11:22 PM | Reply

There is plenty of evidence explaining why vaccines not only don't work, they are harmful to our immune systems. It's fascinating how you can be so sure of yourself without looking at contrary evidence.
#94 | Posted by Ray
Vaccines don't work?
LOL
Either that's a really unqualified sloppy sentence or you just proved you're not even trying to be taken seriously.
#124 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2019-07-11 11:19 PM

Did you watch the little video I linked? Can you honestly tell me that those childrens vaccinations worked?

#127 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2019-07-11 11:23 PM | Reply

I've forgotten more about the relationship between diet and disease than you'll ever know.
#96 | Posted by Ray
Forgetting -------- isn't something to brag about.
Still denying germ theory and the volumes of knowledge on disease pathogenesis are we?
#126 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2019-07-11 11:22 PM

You sound like you need a fecal transplant, bro.

#128 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2019-07-11 11:24 PM | Reply

That's an opinion.

That's a fact.

You spew unoriginal garbage on this topic that signals your ignorance more than anything else.

When government starts mandating something, that serves as a warning to me that someone is getting paid off. In this case, it's Big Pharma.

#99 | Posted by Ray

Vaccines are anything but profitable.

And this is a perfect mindset to justify cognitive bias on your part.

#129 | Posted by jpw at 2019-07-11 11:25 PM | Reply

Dr. Sherri Tenpenny - Why You Should Say NO to Vaccines

Sheri Tenpenny? LOL haven't heard that quack name in a looooong time.

If that's your type of source then you're definitely talking out your ass.

#130 | Posted by jpw at 2019-07-11 11:28 PM | Reply

When government starts mandating something, that serves as a warning to me that someone is getting paid off. In this case, it's Big Pharma.
#99 | Posted by Ray
Vaccines are anything but profitable.
And this is a perfect mindset to justify cognitive bias on your part.
#129 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2019-07-11 11:25 PM

I think Walgreens offers the flu shot for $22. I costs more to produce, distribute and infect, I mean inject?:]

#131 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2019-07-11 11:30 PM | Reply

I liked how one of his sources was Amazon.

#132 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-11 11:31 PM | Reply

"AND ionic silver absolutely destroys pathogens, bacteria, etc. "

If this were true, it would be used instead of autoclaves.

But it's not true. We use autoclaves for that.

#133 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-11 11:32 PM | Reply

I am the technician that you would call on for your equipment. I've worked in several hospitals, clinics and such.

Cool!

Understanding how a cytometer or thermocycler or safety cabinet works doesn't mean you understand the questions being answered with them.

I really don't try to be a dick, it's just clear through your comments about weaponizing and conspiracies and such that you don't quite understand the boundaries of our capabilities to modify or impact biology.

#134 | Posted by jpw at 2019-07-11 11:38 PM | Reply

"AND ionic silver absolutely destroys pathogens, bacteria, etc. "
If this were true, it would be used instead of autoclaves.
But it's not true. We use autoclaves for that.
#133 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2019-07-11 11:32 PM

How do you know otherwise? I feel that you are toying with me now.

An awkward video showing the results in "real time". It's so strange that you don't use YouTube to search for institutional evidence.

#135 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2019-07-11 11:51 PM | Reply

What activates those triggers so suddenly and just after vaccination? It's such a mystery..

#115 | Posted by redlightrobot

I don't believe them.

It's that simple.

Why? Because it's an emotional thing to watch your kid change in that way and you're likely to lash out at whatever cause you think might be there.

Now that it is well known there's even more reason to believe it's a rationalization more than an accurate memory.

#136 | Posted by jpw at 2019-07-11 11:53 PM | Reply

[sigh] this is the kind of pedantic non-helpful process that separates the educated from reality. You parse like a robot.

#125 | Posted by redlightrobot

Precise language is necessary when discussing this kind of stuff.

#137 | Posted by jpw at 2019-07-11 11:54 PM | Reply

"I am the technician that you would call on for your equipment. I've worked in several hospitals, clinics and such."
Cool!
Understanding how a cytometer or thermocycler or safety cabinet works doesn't mean you understand the questions being answered with them.
I really don't try to be a dick, it's just clear through your comments about weaponizing and conspiracies and such that you don't quite understand the boundaries of our capabilities to modify or impact biology.
#134 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2019-07-11 11:38 PM

True, and (stealing a post about Laura) even if you were - you're our dick, so that's absolutely cool. You and Snoofy form the Zatoichi of medicine. And I'll form the tail! ASSEMBLE!

Anyhow, lab equipment aside, I guess I believe that other people would be sinister enough to produce inferior or even harmful processes and methodologies, specifically for profiteering. It's possible that we are in fact on the same page with most of these issues, but I am firm in my belief - and my experience with vaccination that those who are negatively impacted have no backing by the professional medical industry. That aspect is sometimes frustrating, but we're always cool.

I accept the mantle of conspiracy theorist, because I absolutely am about certain things. Absolutely. Don't waste it as an insult.;]

#138 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2019-07-12 12:01 AM | Reply

[sigh] this is the kind of pedantic non-helpful process that separates the educated from reality. You parse like a robot.
#125 | Posted by redlightrobot
Precise language is necessary when discussing this kind of stuff.
#137 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2019-07-11 11:54 PM

Again, you are displaying pragmatism and sensitivity. Me likey.

In about an hour I will be getting drunk and then we'll see how non-helpful my language gets.lol Seriously, I will re-write a post several times, drunk in the tub. I can't smoke because of my job, but I like giving you guys slurred ideas to parse. No offense, this place is where anyone can pontificate - professional to imbecile.;]

Pet Shop Boys - On Social Media - try not dancing to this one!

#139 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2019-07-12 12:09 AM | Reply

Not an ounce of curiosity to the evidence compiled by anti-vaxxers. Not an ounce of curiosity about the toxins in vaccines I listed.
The plural of anecdote is not data.
And you don't list the "toxins" correctly nor do you likely understand why many of them make you look like an idiot for listing them.
#97 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2019-07-11 08:56 PM

I mean, ouch! That is such a sharp wit. I want to employ that but it's more likely to be used on myself.

#140 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2019-07-12 12:20 AM | Reply

"How do you know otherwise? I feel that you are toying with me now."

Read this.
It discusses how silver doesn't necessarily kill HIV, just makes it unable to bind to CD4 receptors.
jnanobiotechnology.biomedcentral.com

#141 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-12 12:26 AM | Reply

"How do you know otherwise? I feel that you are toying with me now."
Read this.
It discusses how silver doesn't necessarily kill HIV, just makes it unable to bind to CD4 receptors. jnanobiotechnology.biomedcentral.com
#141 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2019-07-12 12:26 AM

Heh, looks like someone beat me to the weaponization punch; I'll need to look at it directly. It's probable that conditioned mother antibodies can be artificially introduced. How ironic, hotwiring cellular mechanisms. Oh, hell I am already too drunk.

Let's see. THis will take a moment.

Got it. Sulfur may harmfully react to IR wavelengths around 800-860nm.

#142 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2019-07-12 12:53 AM | Reply

Medical "expert" antivaxxers are like nails to my intellectual chalkboard. Soooo glad I went through four years of med school, three years of residency and 21 years of practice to be educated by a bunch of dim-wits with a search engine and a pulse.

But thank you University of YouTube graduates, peddling the Super Duper Secrets (tm) Medical Professionals Don't Want You to Know. Things only a careful 30 minute Google search will reveal.

Let me see,

Adjuvants "bypass" the immune system -- No they don't, they potentiate the immune system response or stabilize the vaccine.

No serious studies on post-vaccination autism and spectrum disorders exists -- There have been dozens of studies from multiple countries showing no increased risk of Autism from vaccines . But they're all in on the plot.

Do you keep house plants? Have you ever gotten those fuzzy white mites that infest exotics? Spray ionic silver and see what happens. Colloidal silver has been a massive flop in humans, your med tech approach is laughable.

sciencebasedmedicine.org

Thanks to JPW, Snoofy for at least trying.

#143 | Posted by zarnon at 2019-07-12 01:11 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

So long as you know that Ray really could have unknown viruses in his colloidal silver, I feel like I have completed my job of talking you down off the ledge.

You haven't had any formal education when it comes to microbiology and the immune system. But I think you would benefit from it, because you seem to be quite interested in the topic. Asking salesmen for answers isn't a great way to learn about it. I am far from an immunologist, but I'm probably not wrong to say that to become an immunologist, you need to start will cellular biology and work up, and then you have to learn about anatomy and physiology, and then you have to learn about DNA, and then I'd say you could start to think about immunology, and it would be a wonderful idea to be a medical doctor while doing all of the above, unless perhaps you're more interested in being a plant immunologist for big tobacco, or whatever you prefer.

To learn, we try to walk in the footsteps of the giants who have gone before us.

#144 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-12 01:18 AM | Reply

What activates those triggers so suddenly and just after vaccination? It's such a mystery..
#115 | Posted by redlightrobot
I don't believe them.
It's that simple.
Why? Because it's an emotional thing to watch your kid change in that way and you're likely to lash out at whatever cause you think might be there.
Now that it is well known there's even more reason to believe it's a rationalization more than an accurate memory.
#136 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2019-07-11 11:53 PM

That is tough. When I really need to know I can sometimes be obnoxious and bypass responses, but I prefer people to just try and be honest. Most people want to share, particularly if it's truth.

You are right, memory isn't recalled as an edited movie and does evolve. There is a lot of extraneous influence that can understandably misdirect, thoughts that are not relevant at the time - but it's their deeper knowledge of what has changed, the recognition of differences that usually is truth.

I do typically believe parents who claim to witness these fairly significant and instantaneous transformations in their children. They are terrified, yes, but that is part of how you should comprehend the situation, imo. You seem more dispassionate than I am, perhaps that aids in laboratory work, but it cripples the client relationship in my non-medically trained experience.

If I met a real-life Rick or Dr. House I would possibly implode from frustration.

#145 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2019-07-12 01:26 AM | Reply

I mean, ouch! That is such a sharp wit. I want to employ that but it's more likely to be used on myself.

#140 | Posted by redlightrobot

It's not my line, unfortunately.

I followed the anti-vaxx debate very closely during my grad school years and it was a common line in that debate.

#146 | Posted by jpw at 2019-07-12 01:29 AM | Reply

Medical "expert" antivaxxers are like nails to my intellectual chalkboard. Soooo glad I went through four years of med school, three years of residency and 21 years of practice to be educated by a bunch of dim-wits with a search engine and a pulse.
But thank you University of YouTube graduates, peddling the Super Duper Secrets (tm) Medical Professionals Don't Want You to Know. Things only a careful 30 minute Google search will reveal.
Let me see,
Adjuvants "bypass" the immune system -- No they don't, they potentiate the immune system response or stabilize the vaccine.
No serious studies on post-vaccination autism and spectrum disorders exists -- There have been dozens of studies from multiple countries showing no increased risk of Autism from vaccines . But they're all in on the plot.
"Do you keep house plants? Have you ever gotten those fuzzy white mites that infest exotics? Spray ionic silver and see what happens." Colloidal silver has been a massive flop in humans, your med tech approach is laughable.
sciencebasedmedicine.org
Thanks to JPW, Snoofy for at least trying.
#143 | POSTED BY ZARNON AT 2019-07-12 01:11 AM

Not colloidal, ionic. Meaning non-collective.

Also, it took me less than five minutes. Partly because the laptop is wobbling near the tub - I know, not goot place. But also because I have cats that try to help.

I remember seeing a woman with rosacea who had extreme sentitivity to sulfur after using IR skin treatment, and that's where I connected the "exposed sulfur-bearing residues of the glycoprotein knobs" with 800nm wavelength which is safe for human tissues.

Also, the coal industry uses similar IR to detect sulfur in coal and coke - because it is reactive. I suppose it tickles!:]

As for my credentials, does master organism count?lol Seriously, laugh.

Parents across the planet - in ever single one of those countries you find studies performed have these same "anecdotal" observations. It's not happenstance that the medical industry does not address this with pure interest and rather enforced derision. Your bedside manner is likened to the lightsaber opening a Tauntaun. Stinky.

I honestly had no idea the mites would be wiped out. It takes minutes. All of the plants look great, btw.

Potentiation implies resestivity. What a world!

#147 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2019-07-12 01:38 AM | Reply

I had a bad reaction to a cholera shot when I was 11 or 12. It was more painful than other shots I'd had, and I started to feel really sleepy, and then I passed out in the waiting room, and I was down for the rest of the day. I am pretty sure they were waiting for me to pass out because the cholera shot is know to be a hard one to take, or maybe that's just an old wives tale.

I'll still take that over cholera.

#148 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-12 01:41 AM | Reply

"I honestly had no idea the mites would be wiped out. It takes minutes. All of the plants look great, btw."

You ever put Frontline on a short hair cat or a small dog?

It's like when the F-4s fly in over the canopy, drop the napalm, and in 30 seconds the village is gone. It's genocide. Localized to your pet's body.

It's amazing.

#149 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-12 01:46 AM | Reply

So long as you know that Ray really could have unknown viruses in his colloidal silver, I feel like I have completed my job of talking you down off the ledge.
You haven't had any formal education when it comes to microbiology and the immune system. But I think you would benefit from it, because you seem to be quite interested in the topic. Asking salesmen for answers isn't a great way to learn about it. I am far from an immunologist, but I'm probably not wrong to say that to become an immunologist, you need to start will cellular biology and work up, and then you have to learn about anatomy and physiology, and then you have to learn about DNA, and then I'd say you could start to think about immunology, and it would be a wonderful idea to be a medical doctor while doing all of the above, unless perhaps you're more interested in being a plant immunologist for big tobacco, or whatever you prefer.
To learn, we try to walk in the footsteps of the giants who have gone before us.
#144 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2019-07-12 01:18 AM

It would not be a fun experiment, my theory and observations would not be considered and rather a waste.

Why would I want to contribute to the community that I loathe for their callous, uncompromising snarkiness and horrible foresight? I have yet to meet "the good doctor". Thety are all in it for a paycheck, not intellectual curiosity.

Besides, you seem to have found a single niche in the silver paradigm. That is sooo important - because you are right. If one virus can survive, there could be countless others. In the meantime ionic silver has worked wonderfully for years. I don't get colds, the flu or HIV while exposed to pathogen breeding grounds such as Chipotles and hospitals.

#150 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2019-07-12 01:50 AM | Reply

I don't even have a high school diploma. NOW you can laugh at me.

Home schooling would have been hilarious:

"Okay, this is the singular motion, now create a bypass for atomic base pair inversion."

"Uh, mom I don't think this will make gold."

#151 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2019-07-12 01:58 AM | Reply

"Thety are all in it for a paycheck, not intellectual curiosity."

--------, if they were in it for a paycheck, they wouldn't be professors, they'd make 2-3x more in industry.

#152 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-12 01:59 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I don't even have a high school diploma. NOW you can laugh at me."

You're not dumb, you're just not educated. Trump is supposed to be a huge hit with people like you. Well, the uneducated part anyway. Not so much the "not dumb" part. But there's a lot of overlap I'm sure you'll agree.

#153 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-12 02:00 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Sorry if that came off too harsh, you can rub some colloidal silver on it if needed.

#154 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-12 02:03 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Thety are all in it for a paycheck, not intellectual curiosity."

--------, if they were in it for a paycheck, they wouldn't be professors, they'd make 2-3x more in industry.

#152 | Posted by snoofy

People who say this immediately flag themselves as unaware.

People who are bright enough, driven enough and altruistic enough to be successful in academia could make BANK in industry or business at large.

One willfully sacrifices that to be an academic as it doesn't pay very well, which is likely news to most normal people.

Then again, maybe not as a mid-range academic can pull $50-75K a year, which is rich for a large % of the population by sheer money but not so much by skill and education level.

#155 | Posted by jpw at 2019-07-12 02:11 AM | Reply

#151 | Posted by redlightrobot

Hey, man, nothing wrong with that.

Among those who didn't graduate high school:

Richard Branson (dropped out at 15)
Quintin Tarantino (dropped out at 15)
And a long list of billionaires

My dad had to drop out at 15 to support his widowed mom and 5 siblings. He was incredibly smart and highly self-educated, He flew planes, designed numerous industrial devices, and was a voracious reader who learned a new word every day while we were growing up.

#156 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-07-12 02:24 AM | Reply

"Thety are all in it for a paycheck, not intellectual curiosity."
--------, if they were in it for a paycheck, they wouldn't be professors, they'd make 2-3x more in industry.
#152 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2019-07-12 01:59 AM

In my experience the physicians I have met are doing their best to maintain guidelines and practices that I tend to disagree with on some level. But I also despise cruel treatment of laboratory animals. None of it is a good match for my psyche. Also, I love weed! "Doctors" mustn't! Weren't you taught that marijuana has no medicinal value? Is that still the AMA's stance? It would have been obviously incorrect from just one trial.. That is what I do not want to become. A literal professional stooge, curtailing my curiosity and "intellect" for the sake of status quo.

"I don't even have a high school diploma. NOW you can laugh at me."
You're not dumb, you're just not educated. Trump is supposed to be a huge hit with people like you. Well, the uneducated part anyway. Not so much the "not dumb" part. But there's a lot of overlap I'm sure you'll agree.
#153 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2019-07-12 02:00 AM

Being serious for a moment - you have me boxed into "conspiracy theorist" along with Trumplings?! They would be appalled!

It's important to doubt ones intellect. This prevents others from taking the wind out of what you already dispossess.

Sorry if that came off too harsh, you can rub some colloidal silver on it if needed.
#154 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2019-07-12 02:03 AM

HAha! You got me good, clever doctor! Maybe I deserve a little insulting after the blanket derision toward your profession. Honestly, I would have probably loved medicine too much to not confront people of all faiths in the industry. But I also have a different kind of processing that don't conform to the model of success. You saw the Zernon post - I am a "YouTube search engine professional", not really able to respond beyond base urges and the impulse to lol. That and get drunk in a bathtub filled with hot shame.

#157 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2019-07-12 02:26 AM | Reply

I got all the typical vaccines when I was a kid, then 3 rounds of what seemed like vaccines for every contractible virus known to mankind before embarking on USO tours around the world.

Never had reactions to any of them, and also never contracted measles, polio, or any of the other multitude of viruses for which I received vaccines.

#158 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-07-12 02:35 AM | Reply

"I honestly had no idea the mites would be wiped out. It takes minutes. All of the plants look great, btw."
You ever put Frontline on a short hair cat or a small dog?
It's like when the F-4s fly in over the canopy, drop the napalm, and in 30 seconds the village is gone. It's genocide. Localized to your pet's body.
It's amazing.
#149 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2019-07-12 01:46 AM

I have on my moms dachshunds - it's kind of oily and if I remember you only apply to the nape. Yeah, the furry party bus was getting offloaded in a hurry. Stuff like that scares me, like fungicides.

The cats get a few drops of apple cider vinegar, fleas despise their taste so we never have them.

#159 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2019-07-12 02:35 AM | Reply

I got all the typical vaccines when I was a kid, then 3 rounds of what seemed like vaccines for every contractible virus known to mankind before embarking on USO tours around the world.
Never had reactions to any of them, and also never contracted measles, polio, or any of the other multitude of viruses for which I received vaccines.
#158 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY AT 2019-07-12 02:35 AM

That would kill me. Is polio always the exact same virus anyplace on the planet? I wonder if there is a way to stabilize the mechanisms that promote mutation in influenza? Or, at least make it predictable so a single vaccine would work.

Did you ever play in the Middle East and did they vaccinate you specifically for that region?

#160 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2019-07-12 02:40 AM | Reply

"blanket derision toward your profession"
Ha, I wish! Not my profession, I've just rubbed shoulders with some good people who are also doctors.

I got the cholera vaccine (and others I'm sure) because I was going to the middle east.

#161 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-12 03:14 AM | Reply

Did you ever play in the Middle East and did they vaccinate you specifically for that region?

#160 | Posted by redlightrobot

I've only played at a couple of corporate compounds in the ME back when I toured with this one household name in my youth. We did a couple gigs with the USO in Turkey, but not sure if that really counts as the ME.

#162 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-07-12 03:50 AM | Reply

What activates those triggers so suddenly and just after vaccination? It's such a mystery..

#115 | POSTED BY REDLIGHTROBOT AT 2019-07-11 10:09 PM | REPLY |

Nothing activates those triggers. There is no evidence that anyone ever developed autism after vaccination. None whatsoever. Before you ask what activates those triggers you better be able to prove there are triggers and they were activated when you say they were.

#163 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-07-12 09:55 AM | Reply

Redlightrobot, I'm sorry for being so harsh.

Sometimes I wish I went into an obscure field no one could pronounce much less understand.

But primary care, everyone's an expert. A few dozen hours of "research" and you're good to go.

I'm lucky to have (amongst others) a number of health care professionals (including an ND) with varying degrees of experience as patients. I think we've been able to have a dialogue on the evidence rather than personalities.

There's a lot of well deserved criticism leveled at my profession; cost, attitude, conveyor-belt medicine, automation. I'm semi-retiring next year partly because of those changes.

The background knowledge isn't one of them. People say docs don't want to understand the underpinnings, the underlying causes of disease. I gently remind them among other things I dissected a human body to learn how it works.

#164 | Posted by zarnon at 2019-07-12 10:06 AM | Reply

My sister has 3 brainiac kids. She homeschooled them which was made easy since she and her husband both work remotely from home. All 3 kids have undergrad degrees in physics. One has his Masters and is pursuing his PHD at Ohio State. One branched off into theoretical mathematics and is pursuing her PHD at Cornell. The 3rd got a 2nd degree in Mechanical engineering and is a maker. THEY ARE ALL SHELDON COOPER. Not a lick of Social skills between them. WHen they have to leave college and get jobs in the real world they will have a very hard row to hoe.

#165 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-07-12 01:16 PM | Reply

Redlightrobot, I'm sorry for being so harsh.
Sometimes I wish I went into an obscure field no one could pronounce much less understand.
But primary care, everyone's an expert. A few dozen hours of "research" and you're good to go.
I'm lucky to have (amongst others) a number of health care professionals (including an ND) with varying degrees of experience as patients. I think we've been able to have a dialogue on the evidence rather than personalities.
There's a lot of well deserved criticism leveled at my profession; cost, attitude, conveyor-belt medicine, automation. I'm semi-retiring next year partly because of those changes.
The background knowledge isn't one of them. People say docs don't want to understand the underpinnings, the underlying causes of disease. I gently remind them among other things I dissected a human body to learn how it works.
#164 | POSTED BY ZARNON AT 2019-07-12 10:06 AM

Ha! You haven't seen a Chairborne post - those are harsh. Funny, but harsh.

I'm in a hurry to an interview, but I need to say that. Bring it, we are a big dysfunctional family here. I wouldn't haunt this place if I didn't feel that connection and crave insight from actual thinkers for lack of a better term.

Education requires grades, proof of performance, and money. If you were fortunate enough to put your skills to purpose I absolutely respect your resilience and capabilities. Dissecting a human body sounds terrifying to drop gently into conversation "Uh, so you do realize your sternum can withstand over 300 lbs of pressure before it might puncture internally? Please pass the gravy, thanks." Good times!

Need to run now.

#166 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2019-07-12 02:22 PM | Reply

I was at a luncheon one time and the topic was how to perform a hysterectomy. The transvaginal approach is a good way to go, avoids having to cut through the abdominal wall. How's the tuna salad?

#167 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-12 02:25 PM | Reply

What activates those triggers so suddenly and just after vaccination? It's such a mystery..

#115 | POSTED BY REDLIGHTROBOT AT 2019-07-11 10:09 PM | REPLY |

Autism signs can be seen quite early, but most won't notice until much later.

National Autism Center

NIH

Note that the earliest signs can be seen by 6 months. I've also seen studies that have found potential brain structure markers in 6-month-old infants as well, but I haven't seen how well replicated those studies are.

In all, the reality is that the reason people link Autism to vaccines because the signs become apparent around the same time that vaccines are given. Correlation, however, is not causation, and in this case, there are obvious signals that are often missed prior to any vaccine being administered. Let's think through this logically: How would you notice a behavior symptom of Autism before 2-4 months, when DTAP is administered? Vaccines are given every few months through early childhood, so it would be very easy to correlate one with just about anything that begins showing up in very early childhood.

And that's just one of the obvious problems with your comments about vaccines. Without proper scientific protocols in place, anecdotal evidence is prone to these kinds of false connections.

Also, I grew up surrounded by dairy farms - whole milk is one thing, but unpasteurized is dangerous. The farmers would only drink it raw the same day they milked it because it became increasingly more likely to make you sick if you kept it longer than that, even if refrigerated. I believe what most people really want is un-homogenized, whole milk. That's the taste difference they are noticing.

As a piece of history, pasteurization of milk was originally aimed at reducing transmission of TB through the milk back in the 1920s and 30s - and it worked astoundingly well.

#168 | Posted by StatsPlease at 2019-07-12 03:04 PM | Reply

Fat people are disgusting. Just sloppy.
This whole notion of not body shaming people is absurd.
Those unhealthy tubs cost us money and are unhealthy.

They should have graphic fat people commercials like those for smokers.

#62 | POSTED BY comrade 101CHUBBY

Don't be so hard on yourself. You're likely 350 LBS and are unemployable.

#169 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-07-12 07:50 PM | Reply

In all, the reality is that the reason people link Autism to vaccines because the signs become apparent around the same time that vaccines are given. Correlation, however, is not causation, and in this case, there are obvious signals that are often missed prior to any vaccine being administered. Let's think through this logically: How would you notice a behavior symptom of Autism before 2-4 months, when DTAP is administered? Vaccines are given every few months through early childhood, so it would be very easy to correlate one with just about anything that begins showing up in very early childhood.
And that's just one of the obvious problems with your comments about vaccines. Without proper scientific protocols in place, anecdotal evidence is prone to these kinds of false connections.
Also, I grew up surrounded by dairy farms - whole milk is one thing, but unpasteurized is dangerous. The farmers would only drink it raw the same day they milked it because it became increasingly more likely to make you sick if you kept it longer than that, even if refrigerated. I believe what most people really want is un-homogenized, whole milk. That's the taste difference they are noticing.
As a piece of history, pasteurization of milk was originally aimed at reducing transmission of TB through the milk back in the 1920s and 30s - and it worked astoundingly well.
#168 | POSTED BY STATSPLEASE AT 2019-07-12 03:04 PM

What is the purpose of homogenization? It makes the milk non-digestible, imo.

As for pasteurization it kills beneficial bacteria, diminished vitamin content and ruins enzymes, the entire purpose of that food.

Why are we comparing our storage technique to the 1920's?!

Perhaps it's the order of the vaccination series that can be traced as a causality?

#170 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2019-07-12 09:43 PM | Reply

Homeschooling is an epidemic. You see the effects of it among the alt-right (R) tarded population here.

Idiots failing to educate their little idiot carbon copies for religious and political reasons.

The dumbing down of America, see the movie Idiocracy.

#1 | POSTED BY ABORTED_MONSON AT 2019-07-10 12:52 PM | REPLY |

Hey TYRANT,
What group educates their kids most effectively:
Public, private or homeschool?

HOMESCHOOLERS blow the other groups away in study after study.

Check mate.

#171 | Posted by drivelikejehu at 2019-07-12 11:26 PM | Reply

Hey TYRANT,
What group educates their kids most effectively:
Public, private or homeschool?
HOMESCHOOLERS blow the other groups away in study after study.
Check mate.

#171 | POSTED BY DRIVELIKEJEHU AT 2019-07-12 11:26 PM | REPLY |

Anybody who homeschools their kids by definition has parents who have the luxury of being home during the day. The kids have a huge advantage in that the teacher doesn't have to split time between 40 kids. Also by definition it means the parents are engaged in the kids education. It also means there are less distractions for the kids. Home schooling is not an option for a single mom working 60 hours a week to provide food and clothes and housing for her kids. Only a very small segment of America is in a position to homeschool their kids. Just to point out some simple math, increasing the labor participation rate means less parents at home which means even less homeschooling.

#172 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-07-13 10:16 AM | Reply

Is polio always the exact same virus anyplace on the planet? I wonder if there is a way to stabilize the mechanisms that promote mutation in influenza? Or, at least make it predictable so a single vaccine would work.

#160 | POSTED BY REDLIGHTROBOT AT 2019-07-12 02:40 AM |

Yes there is only one version of polio it is the same everywhere

Based on continuous surveillance of
influenza viruses, vaccine experts determine which viruses are
most likely to circulate in the upcoming season. If their forecast is
right, flu vaccines offer good protection because they will match
the circulating viruses. Only three or four strains are selected to be
included in the vaccine.

#173 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-07-13 12:26 PM | Reply

Idiots failing to educate their little idiot carbon copies for religious and political reasons.
The dumbing down of America, see the movie Idiocracy.
| POSTED BY ABORTED_MONSON AT 2019-07-10 12:52 PM | REPLY |

So really #172, Hatter,
You refuted Abortion Manson yourself.
With a big dose of misplaced compassion and excuses for why homeschooling rules academically.

#174 | Posted by drivelikejehu at 2019-07-13 07:41 PM | Reply

homeschooling rules academically.

#174 | POSTED BY DRIVELIKEJEHU AT 2019-07-13 07:41 PM | REPLY

For 95% of the population it is not a viable option. For half who can afford it as an option they don't have the required level of engagement. It is only a valid option for a small group of wealthy people and does not even belong in a discussion on how to educate everyone.

#175 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-07-13 10:30 PM | Reply

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